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why is quality of video recording on the touch hd so low?

i have a blackstone almost a year and noticed that when you record a video the quality is the same as when you take a picture but if you finish it and you go look what you have recorded the quality is so bad
does someone know if it is possible to get better quality video recording

because this restriction the manufacturer HTC HTC suck

Whats is the best quality of resolution to record: L, M, S or CIF?
Thanks

720p recording and bad audio quality

I know the people here are very talented and I hope someone can help. I had high hopes for the video recording on this phone. When the reviews came out I was very disappointed in both the pic and video quality. Every 8 mega pixel camera phone out there beats it. Even the 1 year old Omnia HD. I can live with the pic quality but the video quality is what really frustrates me. Yea it records in 800x480 but whats the point if its pixelated and washed out. Not to mention the highest frame rate it can go to is 26fps. Ohh and the audio quality is horrendous. When the Omnia HD came out it also suffered from bad audio quality but in a later update they addressed the issue. Most phones coming out now record in AAC audio which the Incredible obviously doesn't. I just wish someone can up the frame rate to 30fps, give the video a higher bitrate, and change the audio to AAC. IF you have spare time can you unlock the 720p recording.

Evo 4G Video Quality

Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks

skiz220 said:
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.

Plancy said:
The hardware for it is actually quite good, and yes it can definitely be fixed with software, but it's up to HTC.
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Actually we can do it once we get full kernel source. It'll probably take an AOSP ROM since we can't modify the HTC cam app, but we did it for the Nexus. Combine a custom kernel with a custom cam app and we're golden

What's really sad is that the Evo has the 8mp version of the camera in the iPhone. Seriously same manufacturer and everything.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk

It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.

This is what I desperately want fixed. I was happy with the quality until I saw what the iPhone was producing. Man does that piss me off. HTC's software is really crippling this device.
I'm not one to replace standard software on my phones and PCs, but dammit, it looks like I'll have to in this case.
Keep up the great work, guys.

my brothers evo's vid quality sucks as well, i duno wut u can do to it to make it better...

I think my 720p video looks great, not sure what you guys are complaining about.
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g

The video quality is not that bad to me but it's the audio on the video that's choppy. I haven't been able to find very many posts on this...is this just an issue with my phone?

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6948969&postcount=13
His updated video (note the significant audio difference as well):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zruAaXHkiF4&annotation_id=annotation_114688&feature=iv
Raw footage:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1742891/iPhone 4 vs EVO x2.mov (warning: 221 MB + content borders on intolerable if you're an adult with no kids)
-Can we get HTC to address this?

topdnbass said:
It's true it looks quite terrible, but let's make one thing absolutely clear.
24/25 FPS is FINE for videos. That's what movies are shot in.
The problem is purely bitrate. Which we will eventually increase.
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That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.

unclepain said:
That's not accurate. The 720P videos are actually recorded at 6 Megabits/sec. That's plenty of bitrate to handle HD videos. The problem is the codecs being used. The EVO is using generic MPEG4 video instead of H.264, and the audio codec is 8kHz AMR Narrowband instead of AAC. That's the main reason they look bad. Compare HD videos from the EVO against the 720P videos from the iPhone and that's the main difference.
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i'm still learning about all this, but these differences seem more software-related rather than a hardware limitation, correct? given enough time and the source code, the devs would probably be able to fix this or htc updates the software (highly unlikely, but hell, i'm keeping hopeful). is it safe to assume a scenario like this?

So any ETA on resolution?
Video looks & sounds second-rate compared to the iPhone4.

acrh2 said:
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqoqspzu8XE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6bmAQMAq4
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Ok. After watching that the evo's video camera software has to be fixed.... and I do mean 'fixed'. The specs on the evo are too good to not be working as good as those 2 videos.

skiz220 said:
Im really getting depressed over the quality of the evo 4g 720p video especially compared to iphone 4, droid x, and new galaxy s (epic 4g) the fps of the evo just totally annoying me now every time i look at other 720p videos, is there anyway to tweak or improve this by software ? like come on seriously 20fps -_- that totally sucks
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Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.

No, it's pretty bad. It's OK for indoors with decent lighting but if you're outdoors...the video quality is just terrible. The camera itself is just as bad or worse.
If we DO get a fix on this thing, does this mean I need to root my phone?

Yeah the Sound quality is piss poor compared to the iPhone 4 and the Droid X... I hope HTC or the devs can fix this.

My god, that source video of the Evo and the iPhone 4 really open my eyes to how badly HTC's ****ed up. The video from the Evo looks like it was recorded from a Razr, and the audio is about ten times worse than any smartphone I've ever heard. I really hope the developers can match the Evo's audio and video quality to that of the iPhone when the source is released.

ntron1 said:
Returning it for one of those devices appears to be in your future.
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Not at all , I left verizon to get this phone the sprint network is not as great but their plans are a gift compared to other companies , over all im enjoying my evo plus this is my first smart phone so its a big jump for me,but I said depressed because I know this phone could be way better and be on par with these other phones such as the iphone but unfortunately htc crippled the evo :/
Sent from my evo using XDA App

[Q] Few questions about desire HD before purchase

well i currently have a desire SLCD version and i really love it, however yest i got a pretty awesome offer which will allow me to jump to Desire HD free of charge
i tried the device myself for few minutes, i found it beautiful but having read some reviews i have some concerns
few reviews mentioned unlike the classic desire the Desire HD have problems playing back 720p videos even mp4 ones, this essential for me since i have my portfolio already encoded in 720p mp4 and runs perfect on my desire and don't want any stutter when i present it (Ad agency people will jump n say get an iphone you loser)
did anyone test the SD card speed with the desire HD? the classic froyo desire had a software issue with the SD card read ahead speed which was solved by patching the kernel, is this related to the video playback issue on the desire HD?
my second issue, reviews mentioned heavy digital processing in the camera produced photos, the desire had the same issue but i used to simply lower sharpness to -2 and the digital processing gets turned off (noise blur and then oversharpness) hence i was able to get beautiful almost analog like photos using the standard HTC camera app, do we have a similar negative sharpness setting in the desire HD camera and does it disable the image processing?
thanks for all the help

.mp4 files play very well even in 720p. It's the bitrate that might give you some trouble, but any reasonable setting (it's 4.3" after all) plays very smooth. Add the DLNA clent and you get an awesome player.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

Poor Video Audio Sound

I just got an htc desire hd and generally really happy with it. The main gripe tho is why they choose to use a dated codec like 3gp is beyond me with crap 8000khz sound. HD video quality at 720p with dreadfull audio is like putting a ferrari engine in a corsa. Why did they not choose mp4 cd quality 44.1 khz instead of this crap? It's marketed as a multimedia phone with a video format which is, well lets face only compatible with other phones unless you convert it which defeats the whole purpose of having nice prestine hd.

we should have an online petition for this! video recording in mp4 with aac audio!

3rd party recording apps maybe?
Online petition doesn't work anyways.
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Well i sent htc a couple of emails, stating that the audio quality for video is even overshadowed by nokia phones which are 6 years old, why they still use dreadfull audio when literally every other phone on the market from iphones, nokia's sony erricson's all have higher quality audio recording. I find it hard to believe they have done it because of performance issues, most digital camcorders dont have 1ghz processors and they can do it hands down. HTC are still using the same old rubbish low quality audio thats been around on their pda phones since windows mobile 5. It's time to move on, and if its for compatiblity, well how many people send 20 min HD 720p multimedia messages? when no network carriers even support formats or resolutions like that. I think its misleading and false advertising for HTC promoting this phone as having all this great video quality 8mega pixel cam and HD video to completely let us down with zx spectrum like audio quality. What where the HTC designers even thinking is beyond me. Why do they let iphone and nokia, samsung completley walk all over them in the audio department.

stephenuk said:
I just got an htc desire hd and generally really happy with it. The main gripe tho is why they choose to use a dated codec like 3gp is beyond me with crap 8000khz sound. HD video quality at 720p with dreadfull audio is like putting a ferrari engine in a corsa. Why did they not choose mp4 cd quality 44.1 khz instead of this crap? It's marketed as a multimedia phone with a video format which is, well lets face only compatible with other phones unless you convert it which defeats the whole purpose of having nice prestine hd.
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If ubought this phone now your are doomed... You shoulda have waited for htc sensation... Its much better then htc desire hd...its releasing in 1st week of may.. If you can return it.. I think you should.. And if you want loud sound then there is a topic jyst beliw yours abt sound... try it.. I did and now I have 70% more loud ness in my phone...
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Leather|Face said:
If ubought this phone now your are doomed... You shoulda have waited for htc sensation... Its much better then htc desire hd...its releasing in 1st week of may.. If you can return it.. I think you should.. And if you want loud sound then there is a topic jyst beliw yours abt sound... try it.. I did and now I have 70% more loud ness in my phone...
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App
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I disagree that the Sensation is way better than the Desire HD. Yes it is an evolution of the DHD, but in terms of user experience the phones are still very similar. I won't be upgrading because i dont really think the Sensation is too much of an upgrade (bar newer processor).
With that said, OP, i think you'll be very happy to know that the new Gingerbread update coming anytime now will have LARGELY improved audio. It will have sampling rate of 44.1 KHz and 128 Kbps bitrate. This is confirmed in the leaked version in the development section, i've seen a recording and the sound is way better.
Now one area i cant argue with however is the loudspeaker on the DHD. It's terrible. Maybe the Sensation is better there.

stephenuk said:
I just got an htc desire hd and generally really happy with it. The main gripe tho is why they choose to use a dated codec like 3gp is beyond me with crap 8000khz sound. HD video quality at 720p with dreadfull audio is like putting a ferrari engine in a corsa. Why did they not choose mp4 cd quality 44.1 khz instead of this crap? It's marketed as a multimedia phone with a video format which is, well lets face only compatible with other phones unless you convert it which defeats the whole purpose of having nice prestine hd.
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First of all 3gp is a container, not a codec. In that container you'll find the same codecs for the audio and video streams like in the mp4 container used by other camcoders - namely h264 for the video and aac for the audio. The poor quality is due to the codec settings used by the application - 8kHz, 32kbps. Why they did that is beyond me. Maybe the frequency response of the microphone is limited to 4kHz and if this is the case, neither Gingerbread, nor Zebra Cake will fix that.

The micropone can record in pristine 44.1khz quality try using tape machine application, the sound quality is fine, also there appears to be 2 microphones on the htc one for phone calls and another for audio recording. Tape machine allows you to select either or, and they both record in good quality, there could even be the possibility of having stereo records if there are 2.

SupremeBeaver said:
I disagree that the Sensation is way better than the Desire HD. Yes it is an evolution of the DHD, but in terms of user experience the phones are still very similar. I won't be upgrading because i dont really think the Sensation is too much of an upgrade (bar newer processor).
With that said, OP, i think you'll be very happy to know that the new Gingerbread update coming anytime now will have LARGELY improved audio. It will have sampling rate of 44.1 KHz and 128 Kbps bitrate. This is confirmed in the leaked version in the development section, i've seen a recording and the sound is way better.
Now one area i cant argue with however is the loudspeaker on the DHD. It's terrible. Maybe the Sensation is better there.
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still videos in mp4 wouldnt be bad, i hate reconverting them!

Chad_Petree said:
still videos in mp4 wouldnt be bad, i hate reconverting them!
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Like someone else mentioned, .3gp is only the container, not the codec. So you don't necessarily have to reconvert them, just change the container. Should be much faster that way.
Download this program Avidemux: http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
Drag your videos in, on the left leave Video and Audio as is, and only change Format to MP4. Select save video and make sure you type in .mp4 at the end of the filename (otherwise it wont save as a video). You'll notice that it takes only a couple of seconds to change the container and viola you have an mp4 video

What's wrong with htc? even the new sensation has horrible audio quality, check out this video where they compare the sensation's 1080p recording vs the lg 2x , the guy's voiced sounds high pitched :/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewmctC5gfvI&feature=player_embedded

still the audio recording quality on the camcorder is still piss poor for a device of this calibre

Has the Gingergread update not sorted that yet?