have permenant root with vis r12,
in bootloader s is off
i can flash OC kernels
so could some one please give a basic explantion of what
H boot and clockwork mod are and why we need them please
thanks for any help
combat goofwing said:
have permenant root with vis r12,
in bootloader s is off
i can flash OC kernels
so could some one please give a basic explantion of what
H boot and clockwork mod are and why we need them please
thanks for any help
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Clockworkmod is like a linux live cd. You boot it up, and trough there you can do other stuff. In this case, flash zip's wipe cache mount etc.
I think the custom recovery lets us flash the ROMs, and the s-off allows unsigned ROMs to be flashed through the recovery .
That is only my assumptions, I am yet to do my homework on the matter.
.... new phone gets delivered tomorrow!
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I have htc legend rooted
and my HBOOT 0.43.0001
what does it mean?and what is it s-on\s-off?
The HTC Legend, when rooted using the usual methods doesn't really have access to the System partition.
In order to have access to this, you have to have a "S-OFF" or "Security-Off" Phone.
S-on means that there is the default protection that prevents you to write to /system and /recovery partitions. If you want more information you can visit alpharev site: http://alpharev.nl
What are the benefits?
You can alter the files from the protected partitions as if they were on a sdcard for ex. No more "read only" rights, and so on.
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Meocene said:
What are the benefits?
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Rapier said:
You can alter the files from the protected partitions as if they were on a sdcard for ex. No more "read only" rights, and so on.
Sent from my Legend using XDA App
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With great power, comes great responsibility. It's a great tool (I'm S-OFF, myself) but just be careful.
I understand what turning the security off enables.
But what are the benefits?
Personally, I haven't found any benefits to being S-OFF.
I've found that using the Clockwork Recovery doesn't work sometimes and it's handy to have a PC handy just in case...
With s-off you can edit files in the /system partition without the need of switching to recovery, but i don't think that it is a functionality needed by many people.
If you have s-off you can also flash a recovery, therefore you won't need anymore to use fake-flash for booting in clockworkmod.
On some rooting guides for phones like the DHD it says you need to be S-OFF to flash a custom ROM. How come we've been doing this on our S-ON Legends? I don't understand how being S-OFF is any different than S-ON for a Legend user?
I've probably got the wrong end of the stick here...
EDIT: Something to do with ROMs having to be signed by HTC, but none of the custom roms for Legend have to be used on an S-OFF phone despite not being signed by HTC?
S-OFF unlocks the bootloader, you can install basically anything on any partition on the phone. This lets us install a custom recovery in the recovery partition. It also allows to boot custom kernels without flashing them (I believe)
Rooting with S-ON just allows you to boot a custom ROM with root access and no read/write capabilities in the /system partition (unless you have aufs)
S-OFF unlocks the bootloader, you can install basically anything on any partition on the phone. This lets us install a custom recovery in the recovery partition. It also allows to boot custom kernels without flashing them (I believe)
Rooting with S-ON just allows you to boot a custom ROM with root access and no read/write capabilities in the /system partition (unless you have aufs)
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You can flash custom Kernels without being S-OFF. Done it myself many, many times. You don't need to be S-OFF to flash kernels.
S-ON as you said, gives read/write access to the /system partition while the phone is running. Unless you're looking at theming the phone yourself, or you want to access the /system and /recovery partitions it's not really required.
As I mentioned previously, I can get into recovery via Clockwork, but it's spotty, and I don't really like the idea of flashing a new ROM if I'm not near a PC that can drop me into Recovery. Rambo, I am not!
S-on means that there is the default protection that prevents you to write to /system and /recovery partitions. If you want more information you can visit alpharev site: http://alpharev.nl
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Hats off to entropicamente for posting the above - it's THE best place to go. I would warn that if you're a Bell Legend user, the download there will not work. There's a download on this forum for the .iso to S-OFF your phone.
Ultimately, with the number of "What benefits does this give me?" questions, it should probably be avoided for now.
entropicamente said:
With s-off you can edit files in the /system partition without the need of switching to recovery, but i don't think that it is a functionality needed by many people.
If you have s-off you can also flash a recovery, therefore you won't need anymore to use fake-flash for booting in clockworkmod.
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probably wrong, but i don't think i am using fake flash...
my legend's s-on, but to get to clockworkmod i just boot in through rom manager...
(guessing someone's about to tell me that that is fake flash...)
EDIT: missed marclh1992's post.
so in other words i'd be able to replace the stock htc recovery (accessed holding back+power) with clockworkmod, for example?
Yes, you can install clockwork mod into your recovery partition if you are S-OFF.
Sent from my S-OFF Bell Canada HTC Legend.
would I flash the CWM recovery image with fastboot? Where can I find the .img. I can only find the CWM recovery as a zip
joggerman said:
would I flash the CWM recovery image with fastboot? Where can I find the .img. I can only find the CWM recovery as a zip
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Look in the development section. There is a thread called "Recovery 3" .. there you will find the .img file..
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many thanks
is this why the busybox installer from the market cant do its work on installing busybox? i'm s-on tho....
does having superuser mean you phone is S-OFF ?
vip333 said:
does having superuser mean you phone is S-OFF ?
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No, superuser just lets you "log in" to the root user account. S-OFF allows you to write to any part of the phone essentially. Among other things.
hi!
i found a shop in my area (slo) to unlock my phone. but i'm a bit confused. if i get my phone s-off-ed, as i understand this means full system root, which should men i should be somehow able to flash clockwork mod and then custom roms. this should be done by downgrading to 2.1 and hboot 0.8x.
i found a video tutorial on downgrading here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=981765
and my question: shouldn't i be able to flash clockworkmod directly (without downgrading), since i will have my phone fully unlocked? if possible, how?
I think the best is after the s-off, install and older RUU, then use unrevoked 3.14 thats the most easy and i think the safest way
Most efficient way
hans3103 said:
I think the best is after the s-off, install and older RUU, then use unrevoked 3.14 thats the most easy and i think the safest way
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May I suggest more efficient way: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12188132&postcount=15
Can you please tell me which shop. I'm from Slovenia too... Maybe you just see my private message.
Tnx
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never mind got me a xtc clip and found out the hard way
using the search function has help me more than making noob questions, sorry
dailor said:
May I suggest more efficient way: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12188132&postcount=15
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Hi
I have rooted wildfire with s-off (xtc clip) and Hboot - 1.01.0002 . I tried the above method but fastboot wont detect the zip file and says not found. I am unable to install clockworkmod using rom manager, whenever i do, i get the red traingle of death.
What to do now ?
Please help...
u donot need to downgrade with an RUU. and further doing so may make ur phone S-ON again (im not sure about this).
u have a simple process.
u can flash any "recovery image" via fastboot mode.
and that's all, after doing that u can flash any rooted custom rom from that recovery.
getting to S-OFF is an expensive task yaar (as far as now). try to keep it in S-OFF permanently.
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rishabhd said:
Hi
I have rooted wildfire with s-off (xtc clip) and Hboot - 1.01.0002 . I tried the above method but fastboot wont detect the zip file and says not found. I am unable to install clockworkmod using rom manager, whenever i do, i get the red traingle of death.
What to do now ?
Please help...
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have u done the "PC49IMG.zip" process with the file in the above link. it is the process for flashing clockwork mod "recovery image". once this is successful, then u can install any custom roms from the CWM recovery.
note: donot do the PC49IMG.ZIP process with any outside file (excluding the link above). if u do that, u might loose the S-OFF
Alternatively, u can flash other recoveries also (i dont know any others)
I got it eventually, I downgraded using ruu rom to hboot. 80 rooted it again and now have 2.3.3 over it
Thanks anyways ..
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
bharatgaddameedi said:
have u done the "PC49IMG.zip" process with the file in the above link. it is the process for flashing clockwork mod "recovery image". once this is successful, then u can install any custom roms from the CWM recovery.
note: donot do the PC49IMG.ZIP process with any outside file (excluding the link above). if u do that, u might loose the S-OFF
Alternatively, u can flash other recoveries also (i dont know any others)
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How will you lose s-off by flashing a PC49IMG.zip? XTC Clip wipes the secuflag in radio NVRAM, no way of getting it back via a normal update.
edit: never mind........
edit: never mind...........................
I had a mytoutch 4g simlocked
I did unlock it with (TRUE PermaRoot and the ULTIMATE S=Off!!! Check this out even if you're rooted!!!)
I installed clockworkmod 3.0.0.5
I wiped all data preparing to install custom rom
after that I am stuck after installing the room with htc logo loob
I understand that some roms don't boot with clockworkmod 3.0.0.5
so how can i downgrade to 2.5.x
thank you
update
tried with
[ROM]Glacier_TMOUS_1.17.531.2_Radio_12.28b.60.140e_26.0 3.02.26_M_release
but with no result
it says no image or no image
although i did all the steps
thunder2007 said:
I had a mytoutch 4g simlocked
I did unlock it with (TRUE PermaRoot and the ULTIMATE S=Off!!! Check this out even if you're rooted!!!)
I installed clockworkmod 3.0.0.5
I wiped all data preparing to install custom rom
after that I am stuck after installing the room with htc logo loob
I understand that some roms don't boot with clockworkmod 3.0.0.5
so how can i downgrade to 2.5.x
thank you
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Use the link in my signature to update your Recovery image to 3.0.0.6. It should solve your problem.
use the "bootloop" one.
downloading I will report
thank for the replay
......
wow finally I was goinig crazy
thank very much
this topic MUST be sticky
thunder2007 said:
wow finally I was goinig crazy
thank very much
this topic MUST be sticky
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Glad you got it worked out. I feel the same way. With the bootloop issues. But i know the solution is out there and hopefully a quick search will point people in the right direction.
I cannot get this to work, in clockwork recovery 3.0.0.6. i get several cant mount errors, nothing works im stuck without a phone any help would work. I went from a gorilla sense rom to a thunderbolt rom, worked for 5 minutes then shut off and went into bootloops and to where my problem is at now
neidlinger said:
Use the link in my signature to update your Recovery image to 3.0.0.6. It should solve your problem.
use the "bootloop" one.
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So, he's running a custom ROM right now, the latest desire hd port, GB, etc.
Well, most everything else needs CWM 3.006 or whatever. So, I'm trying to flash that. BUT, his phone acts as if he doesn't have root. I't S-offed and has "su" (the app) but it just doesn't work.
Tried flashing cwm with fastboot, "permission denied"
Idk what else to do
Regards
Smith
smithisize said:
So, he's running a custom ROM right now, the latest desire hd port, GB, etc.
Well, most everything else needs CWM 3.006 or whatever. So, I'm trying to flash that. BUT, his phone acts as if he doesn't have root. I't S-offed and has "su" (the app) but it just doesn't work.
Tried flashing cwm with fastboot, "permission denied"
Idk what else to do
Regards
Smith
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doubt its bricked...(its not bricked if you can get to the bootloader
what h-boot version do you have?
use the PD15IMG.zip to restore your phone
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what h-boot version do you have?
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86.0.0.0 i believe... I followed the perm root tut before flashing this custom ROM, then he messed it up..
smithisize said:
86.0.0.0 i believe... I followed the perm root tut before flashing this custom ROM, then he messed it up..
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i dont think you can flash using fastboot in .86.
if it wont boot to the rom try the PD15IMG.zip file to restore
if it boots to the rom, go back to the true s-off/permroot guide in the development section and flash your bootloader (there is directions at the bottom of the first post (the post with the instructions))
After that it should work for fastboot
You can alternatively flash recovery through rom manager (off of the market..the free version will do)
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i dont think you can flash using fastboot in .86.
if it wont boot to the rom try the PD15IMG.zip file to restore
if it boots to the rom, go back to the true s-off/permroot guide in the development section and flash your bootloader (there is directions at the bottom of the first post (the post with the instructions))
After that it should work for fastboot
You can alternatively flash recovery through rom manager (off of the market..the free version will do)
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ROM Manager didn't work (again, couldn't obtain permissions).
So, I'm going to flash the ROM, hope for the best, then if $*&^ hits the fan, I'll result to flashing a diff bootloader.
Thanks for your advice, didn't think about flashing a diff booloader... used to my Cappy xD
Regards
Smith
have you tried using TrueBlue's recovery .zip it was the only way I could get either of my phones to take 3.0.0.6
HERE is the thread for it
Well, I flashed regardless of the 3006 req, and it went fine... Whatever lol.
thanks for the help and suggestions
Regards
Smith
1) can the stock 2.3.4 rom be flashed via CWM recovery?
(i know i can rename it to PD15IMG and "update" it that way but i'm more comfortable using the cwm recovery)
2)after flashing a rooted stock 2.3.4 rom, will i still have cwm recovery, unlocked bootloader ect. ?
I think that your recovery MAY get wiped, you will keep s-off and you will lose root
Then again I don't know anything
N_otori0us_ said:
I think that your recovery MAY get wiped, you will keep s-off and you will lose root
Then again I don't know anything
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Place the stock zip on the root of SD card then reboot into recovery by holding volume down and power and it dose the rest no need for flashing. And you do loose root and cwm I just found out and now cant root and try my new Rom :crying: Damn you Windows 8.1 Damn you!!! Cant find the drivers
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Place the stock zip on the root of SD card then reboot into recovery by holding volume down and power and it dose the rest no need for flashing. And you do loose root and cwm I just found out and now cant root and try my new Rom :crying: Damn you Windows 8.1 Damn you!!! Cant find the drivers
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Dual boot linux mint.
Sent from my HTC Glacier
N_otori0us_ said:
Dual boot linux mint.
Sent from my HTC Glacier
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Ive tryd putting duelboot on my new laptop its way to much truble than what its worth im just gonna have to dig out my old one