Is it me or is it starting to get kinda pointless buying Android phones if : HTC is releasing another new higher specd phone every other month (note exageration), and Google seems to drop support for a phone rather quickly and loves dropping system updates that won't support every android phone ie we are still at 2.1 and we pretty much are destined to be discontinued.. and our phone is only a few months old but is just as good as the phones being released every few months with the fancy named snapdragon processor.
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Android gets a new ver like every 3-6 months, personally I think that's too soon. Wm & IOS dont do that so often. It needs to be incremental updates, the leap from 2.1--> is minor. They could had added the features to 2.1 instead. 2.0 barely existent, you would figure the 2nd installment would had lived longer. 2.3 AKA Gingerbread is coming pretty soon, we're probably not gonna get it till like junish-decmeber 2011. New phone come out every month from htc every month, they add some feats or take or take some away. he G2 & 4G came around at the same time, the 4G has a better cpu, but cost less & G2 is vanilla and cost more. Why would you make the G2 w/ the weaker cpu is you're gonna plan on making a 2ng gen Snapdragon. So dumb in my opinion, do they even give a damn about their appealing to their loyal customers? If I had a company I would try to build consumer loyalty instead of kicking people to the side. A phone should get 6mon-1.5yrs of service at least.
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Android gets a new ver like every 3-6 months, personally I think that's too soon. Wm & IOS dont do that so often. It needs to be incremental updates, the leap from 2.1--> is minor. They could had added the features to 2.1 instead. 2.0 barely existent, you would figure the 2nd installment would had lived longer. 2.3 AKA Gingerbread is coming pretty soon, we're probably not gonna get it till like junish-decmeber 2011. New phone come out every month from htc every month, they add some feats or take or take some away. he G2 & 4G came around at the same time, the 4G has a better cpu, but cost less & G2 is vanilla and cost more. Why would you make the G2 w/ the weaker cpu is you're gonna plan on making a 2ng gen Snapdragon. So dumb in my opinion, do they even give a damn about their appealing to their loyal customers? If I had a company I would try to build consumer loyalty instead of kicking people to the side. A phone should get 6mon-1.5yrs of service at least.
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I think the G2 is actually a 1ghz processor, but it is underclocked to help save battery life. I would assume that the G2 cost more than the Slide because of the keyboard. The G2 is geared towards business men and the myTouch 4g isn't. I agree about the updates, yes we get too many too soon, but then again if we don't like it then there's Symbian (Nokia), Windows 7, ios4 (Apple), RIM (blackberry) etc. You just have to find a company that suits your needs. I personally love Android.
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G2 is high end, the Slide is mid range. Its as simple as that and in regards to Android OS updates, from Google last year they said things would be slowing down to one upgrade per year. With 2.3 coming soon we shouldn't see the next version till a year later.
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G2 is high end, the Slide is mid range. Its as simple as that and in regards to Android OS updates, from Google last year they said things would be slowing down to one upgrade per year. With 2.3 coming soon we shouldn't see the next version till a year later.
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... and this is the very reason I will be waiting to get a new android device. As soon as google gets a bit more settled with OS development and we get into the 1.5ghz or dual core processors I will be holding off on an upgrade. Next time I upgrade I will also be going with a Nexus type device (google flagship phone) that will virtually be guaranteed to get new OS releases/updates first. Mytouch 4G and G2 will be surpassed very soon. The Slide is a very nice phone, I couldn't take another day of the G1's limitations and the Slide was the first real upgrade contender at the time. I will never buy another TMO exclusive device as I believe thoroughly that TMO is responsible for not releasing the blueZ source and I also believe TMO is holding out on a Froyo OTA for the Slide. No biggie, I'll wait. Still, there is no doubt that I'm disappointed that our Slides got left in the dust ...
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... and this is the very reason I will be waiting to get a new android device. As soon as google gets a bit more settled with OS development and we get into the 1.5ghz or dual core processors I will be holding off on an upgrade. Next time I upgrade I will also be going with a Nexus type device (google flagship phone) that will virtually be guaranteed to get new OS releases/updates first. Mytouch 4G and G2 will be surpassed very soon. The Slide is a very nice phone, I couldn't take another day of the G1's limitations and the Slide was the first real upgrade contender at the time. I will never buy another TMO exclusive device as I believe thoroughly that TMO is responsible for not releasing the blueZ source and I also believe TMO is holding out on a Froyo OTA for the Slide. No biggie, I'll wait. Still, there is no doubt that I'm disappointed that our Slides got left in the dust ...
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Yea, it definitely is sad that we still haven't gotten Froyo. I think the Slide should of gotten the update around the sametime as other Flagship phones. It doesn't matter if the phone isn't highend. T-Mobile could of made the Vibrant they're flagship, but they chose the Slide as they're flagship phone. If you chose a phone as your flagship then you should deliver the latest software in a timely manner to compete with other flagships. I mean its only fair. The funny thing is that I bought the Slide assuming we were going to get the latest updates in a reasonable time. I guess I was wrong. Its sad how fast this phone faded away and its nowhere near old.
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We definately shouldbe getting Froyo now. The G2 is out as is the MyTouch 4G and there is reason that we shouldn't be getting updated, at this point its getting alittle sad.
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We definately shouldbe getting Froyo now. The G2 is out as is the MyTouch 4G and there is reason that we shouldn't be getting updated, at this point its getting alittle sad.
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I guess they want people who are getting impatient to buy the g2 or 4g. They probably waiting for sales to hit a certain mark before they roll out the update. I just hope that when we do get the update it will be worth the wait. I'm really hoping for adobe flash 10.1 although they say our processor doesn't meet the requirements.
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I agree I think ill be waiting for another GOOGLE flagship phone because they get better support and also updates faster that's why I loved my Nexus 1.
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I agree I think ill be waiting for another GOOGLE flagship phone because they get better support and also updates faster that's why I loved my Nexus 1.
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I'm assuming you've gotten rid of your N1 our its broken. That's the best phone for android support.
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They say everything about something not meeting some set requirements. I stopped believing that once my G1 started running froyo, which according to tmo and htc, shouldn't at all have met the required standards. It just doesn't make any sense to me that they jump from phone to phone and leave others behind.
It makes me start to actually wonder why I should even buy any android phone if not every device is gonna get the latest firmwire. What's the point of releasing so many (especially if not every android phone doesn't have vanilla android) if only a select few will actually stay up to date. And I use that term lightly since there seems to be no up to date according to HTC and Google.
If anything they should give us free/major huge discounts on upgrading on our device if they are going to release a goddamn upgrade to a phone we spent a lot of money for that's ONLY A FEW MONTHS OLD! Was there honestly a point to buying this device?
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the nexus s definitely has my attention if only for the fact that it *might* be directly supported by google. that said, the slide is a pretty nice phone, it just lacks support right now. at least two out of three things need to happen before this phone sees its full potential: s-off, release of the bluez source, and a proper update to 2.2- and at the very least, s-off is imminent.
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the nexus s definitely has my attention if only for the fact that it *might* be directly supported by google. that said, the slide is a pretty nice phone, it just lacks support right now. at least two out of three things need to happen before this phone sees its full potential: s-off, release of the bluez source, and a proper update to 2.2- and at the very least, s-off is imminent.
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What exactly is the blue source?
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What exactly is the blue source?
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Bluez Source is the Bluetooth source code, so we can have fully working BT in custom ROMS... TMO and Google have been playing the blame game on releasing it
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Bluez Source is the Bluetooth source code, so we can have fully working BT in custom ROMS... TMO and Google have been playing the blame game on releasing it
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Oh ok, thanks for the response. Why would T-mobile release the blue source for the purpose of helping out custom roms?
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Oh ok, thanks for the response. Why would T-mobile release the blue source for the purpose of helping out custom roms?
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not so that we can... but because they have to due to the rules covering General Public License. as seen in "our" letter to TMO conserning this.
Bluez source code that is used as the Bluetooth® stack on the myTouch 3G Slide™. The source code used by HTC® is licensed under the General Public License (GPL) version 23 and distributed on the myTouch 3G Slide™. In short the GPL states that the modified source code must be provided [by the entity] to any user that requests it if they own the product or software in binary form"
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not so that we can... but because they have to due to the rules covering General Public License. as seen in "our" letter to TMO conserning this.
Bluez source code that is used as the Bluetooth® stack on the myTouch 3G Slide™. The source code used by HTC® is licensed under the General Public License (GPL) version 23 and distributed on the myTouch 3G Slide™. In short the GPL states that the modified source code must be provided [by the entity] to any user that requests it if they own the product or software in binary form"
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Oh, ok. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for your patience and time.
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Hardware aside, I'm willing to sell my Vibrant for this phone for the simple fact the G2 will have stock android. I'm getting very close to the point where I will not support phones that do not ship with stock android. Seeing motoblur or touchwiz makes me sick. The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
Only T-Mobile has released stock android devices to this day (in the US). This could set T-Mobile higher than the competition if they would just release more stock phones. The first MyTouch ran on vanilla android so why can't the new one do the same?
I'm really looking forward to the G2. Looks like a great business phone. The keyboard looks great (could be better with a 5th row) and the z-hinge will be a cool addition. This thing is going to have incredible developer support just like the G1. Why do you think so many G1 owners still use that phone? The dev community kept it alive. All of the stock android phones have huge dev support. This one will be no different.
Still disappointed that it only ships with a 1300mAh battery. Even if you can overclock the phone it would be smart not to as it would drain hella fast. Hopefully they will sell 1500-1700mAh batteries that don't make the phone too much thicker.
Can't wait to see actual footage of the phone. Hopefully tomorrow at the HTC event they show it off. I've heard T-Mobile employees who have seen the phone saw its amazingly fast. It better live up to the hype, although for practical use I don't think HSPA+ will be much faster than 3G at this point.
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Hardware aside, I'm willing to sell my Vibrant for this phone for the simple fact the G2 will have stock android. I'm getting very close to the point where I will not support phones that do not ship with stock android. Seeing motoblur or touchwiz makes me sick. The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
Only T-Mobile has released stock android devices to this day (in the US). This could set T-Mobile higher than the competition if they would just release more stock phones. The first MyTouch ran on vanilla android so why can't the new one do the same?
I'm really looking forward to the G2. Looks like a great business phone. The keyboard looks great (could be better with a 5th row) and the z-hinge will be a cool addition. This thing is going to have incredible developer support just like the G1. Why do you think so many G1 owners still use that phone? The dev community kept it alive. All of the stock android phones have huge dev support. This one will be no different.
Still disappointed that it only ships with a 1300mAh battery. Even if you can overclock the phone it would be smart not to as it would drain hella fast. Hopefully they will sell 1500-1700mAh batteries that don't make the phone too much thicker.
Can't wait to see actual footage of the phone. Hopefully tomorrow at the HTC event they show it off. I've heard T-Mobile employees who have seen the phone saw its amazingly fast. It better live up to the hype, although for practical use I don't think HSPA+ will be much faster than 3G at this point.
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I agree. I cant wait for the G2. Ive been a G1 owner the past 2 yrs. Cant wait to upgrade. Oh by the way, the Droid 1 had stock android.
actually i can vouch for the HSPA+ speeds, on 3G my mytouch slide was getting just under 1Mbps and when they flipped on the towers around me i started pulling 4-5 Mbps so with the limit of the device set at 14.4 Mbps then i am sure we can get at least 8 possibly more than that(of course it will diminish once more people are on the network just like anything else
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The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
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That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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If that is the Idea then there is no room to ***** about the fragmentation of the OS itself by Google. I for one like the idea of a vanilla platform. As many have stated, this allows for quicker updates of the software, where all the tightly integrated crap like motobelch either causes huge delays, or the updates never come due to development costs. Hats off to t-mobile for this phone and I'm glad I did not jump on the Vibrant even though its a great device.
I just hope I can get it on our corporate plan.
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That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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agree. people should be able to do whatever they want with android. I don't have the expertise to know about licensing and when you can legally profit off of customizing someone else's work, but I think there should be a free market so people can choose what they want. personally, I prefer stock. I'll continue to support handsets that come with stock. but I like how there are other versions. I mean... the same principle that allows android to be modded into sense and touchwiz is the same one that allows Cyanogen to legally release his mods.
stock is awesome cause froyo has built in tethering and hotspot support also allows for faster updates and better compatibility with custom roms.
G2 having vanilla android was the nail in my nexus coffin to Oklahoma thank you ebay.
The G2 is going to be friggin awesome. I cant stay off the computer waiting for the email from T-Mobile.
Edit: sold that baby for 480 buckaroos, had to do it while the gettin's good.
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G2 having vanilla android was the nail in my nexus coffin to Oklahoma thank you ebay.
The G2 is going to be friggin awesome. I cant stay off the computer waiting for the email from T-Mobile.
Edit: sold that baby for 480 buckaroos, had to do it while the gettin's good.
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Haha. Sold my Vibrant today for $450!
Actually, the Verizon Motorola Droid 1, and LG Ally run stock android
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Actually, the Verizon Motorola Droid 1, and LG Ally run stock android
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except the original droid was pretty slow and the ally had some proprietary apps and themes on it.
My buddy that has used both phones said the N1 was snappier than the G2 in OS performance. Kind of bummed, they keyboard alone isn't enough for me since I've gotten used to SlideIt but maybe the hspa+ will be enough. I'll be keeping both phones just in case.
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My buddy that has used both phones said the N1 was snappier than the G2 in OS performance. Kind of bummed, they keyboard alone isn't enough for me since I've gotten used to SlideIt but maybe the hspa+ will be enough. I'll be keeping both phones just in case.
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could have been an early version and i find that odd since every other report says its supposed to be as fast or faster. its best to just wait and see for yourself. such as with more ram the phone will stay faster longer and multitask better then the n1 also more internal memory so you can have more apps without having to use aps2ext. plus a hardware keyboard is a must for some people though maybe not to you. the point is the nexus is dated in many ways so the g2 will outperform it in the long run. its better to wait until everything is finalized and the product is released then phonescoop and phonearena can do the comparisons with actual video and show which is faster.
agh. just want it to come out so we can run linpack on it and compare it with other phones
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stock is awesome cause froyo has built in tethering and hotspot support also allows for faster updates and better compatibility with custom roms.
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Here in lies the problem with calling the G2's Android 2.2 "stock" Android.
TMO has removed the wifi hotspot option from the OS.
Can it really be called stock then ?
Seems to me it cant be.
I have 2.2.1 on my Nexus and it has the wifi hotspot.
And its faster than tethering.
So TMO is in my estimation ripping people off calling it stock or vanilla.
Just saying.
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Here in lies the problem with calling the G2's Android 2.2 "stock" Android.
TMO has removed the wifi hotspot option from the OS.
Can it really be called stock then ?
Seems to me it cant be.
I have 2.2.1 on my Nexus and it has the wifi hotspot.
And its faster than tethering.
So TMO is in my estimation ripping people off calling it stock or vanilla.
Just saying.
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Yeah, I don't like that they removed the hotspot in their flagship HSPA+ phone. That is insult to injury. I am not even getting > 1MB and am squarely in a HSPA+ area - that, my friends, is the injury.
Just got off the phone with 611, they said that a update should be sent out this week and/or by next week.
It was confirmed around 1pm yesterday! BELIEVE IT!
Froyo here we come!
Im running a Cm6 Nightly build and I love it, I'm still contemplating about getting the update of just staying rooted. We'll see
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Okay guys, good and bad news!
I decided to call 2 more times bc Tmobile has the tendency to lie to customers, so there will not be a update coming out for us as of yet..
Sadness news I've ever given..
It makes me mad sometimes i was talking to a rep (dust under my screen) and i asked if the update was coming out soon... and the lady said were not even getting one i hope this is true i heard it may start pushing on the 25th
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It makes me mad sometimes i was talking to a rep (dust under my screen) and i asked if the update was coming out soon... and the lady said were not even getting one i hope this is true i heard it may start pushing on the 25th
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Awwee, well I hope this dude wasnt lying to me either..
We'll have to wait and se
This would be so sweet I probably won't unroot since I'm sure within the first day or so, somebody will post the rom (rooted) and I can save myself some trouble.
Yes ChiefzReloaded would defo do that.
Okay guys, good and bad news!
I decided to call 2 more times bc Tmobile has the tendency to lie to customers, so there will not be a update coming out for us as of yet..
Sadness news I've ever given..
Well I called tmobile and they said that they are planning to update our phones to 2.2 but not until the Mytouch 4G is coming out.
Edit: This is what I got from this website... http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-3G/Ladies-and-Gentleman-Froyo/td-p/496813
"Q: When can non myTouch 3G devices expect the Android 2.2 (aka Froyo update)
A: We are working to provide Froyo at a later date for non myTouch 3G devices. (i.e. myTouch 3.5mm jack, Fender Limited Edition and Slide) Check T-Mobile Forums for updates."
I honestly don't know why anybody would trust ANY of the call center CSRs. It's clear they don't know ANYTHING. They are typical tier 1 type support staff who only know how to read from a script. Step 1: power cycle, step 2: reset the phone...ect ect. They don't have any inside info on release dates for updates....clearly. Because both on here and the Tmo forums, I read all kinds of comments about what info people are getting when they call support. Some say the Slide is getting it tomorrow, some say next month, some say never....and some say "What is Froyo?".
The BEST information source is this forum and the Tmo forums. Every leaked phone, or leaked OS update, has been a bad scan or photo of an internal memo given to employees. THEN you will have the date. Until then, anybody who claims to know when or have a date is just completely guessing or listening to false information from someone else who is guessing.
Gosh, thats all the way in November anyway so looks like we have to wait.
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I honestly don't know why anybody would trust ANY of the call center CSRs. It's clear they don't know ANYTHING. They are typical tier 1 type support staff who only know how to read from a script. Step 1: power cycle, step 2: reset the phone...ect ect. They don't have any inside info on release dates for updates....clearly. Because both on here and the Tmo forums, I read all kinds of comments about what info people are getting when they call support. Some say the Slide is getting it tomorrow, some say next month, some say never....and some say "What is Froyo?".
The BEST information source is this forum and the Tmo forums. Every leaked phone, or leaked OS update, has been a bad scan or photo of an internal memo given to employees. THEN you will have the date. Until then, anybody who claims to know when or have a date is just completely guessing or listening to false information from someone else who is guessing.
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lol thanks for that info, will check it out
I actually got word from a rep in the store that end of august was the target date. But at this point.. i've seen/heard/read so many "a rep told me...." stories i don't pay any of them any attention. All official docs say we'll get it at a "later date" and I'm happy with that. to be honest.. i'm only hoping it comes out so devs can mod it and get fully functioning bluetooth and sense ported over. I'm not interested in the stock one from t-mo. CM has more options. i'm good with that right thur.
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I actually got word from a rep in the store that end of august was the target date. But at this point.. i've seen/heard/read so many "a rep told me...." stories i don't pay any of them any attention. All official docs say we'll get it at a "later date" and I'm happy with that. to be honest.. i'm only hoping it comes out so devs can mod it and get fully functioning bluetooth and sense ported over. I'm not interested in the stock one from t-mo. CM has more options. i'm good with that right thur.
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We're definitely getting it right after the myTouch 4g. T-Mo is making chess moves, in other words they're playing it smart by giving us a chance to get rid of the Slide and pick up the 4g. The 4g is a very good phone but it still isn't enough for me to drop the Slide. If you watch the video reviews the software is very similiar. The processor and front cam is another story though. If we all had the Froyo update with flash support then I don't think that most of us would buy the phone and that's why T-mo isn't giving us the update till the phone is released. The only way I'm dropping the Slide is for the Nexus 2. Google's flagship phone will always get updates before any other phone.
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I'm not going anywhere near the 4g. If the G2 root problems are any indicator.. the 4g my be just as hard to get rooted.. and secondly
i like my friggin keyboard. and no one uses vid calls! i have friends with iphone 4. they use it to show off to other non iphone people... thats it.. they rarely make calls that way
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I'm not going anywhere near the 4g. If the G2 root problems are any indicator.. the 4g my be just as hard to get rooted.. and secondly
i like my friggin keyboard. and no one uses vid calls! i have friends with iphone 4. they use it to show off to other non iphone people... thats it.. they rarely make calls that way
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I agree with you, but that's only as of right now. Video calls is the future so more and more people will have it. It will be the new standard, but I can live without it. I love having a physical keyboard although swype works well. I think T-mo is gonna release a keyboard version accouple months down the line.
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I agree with you, but that's only as of right now. Video calls is the future so more and more people will have it. It will be the new standard, but I can live without it. I love having a physical keyboard although swype works well. I think T-mo is gonna release a keyboard version accouple months down the line.
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agreed. I think they will as well and I'll probably jump on that one. I was kind of hoping there would have been a cam on the g2 but alas... there was not... so right now i don't really see it as an "upgrade" from a slide... thats more like a lateral move... i mean really.. what are you gaining? a faster processor.... on a mobile phone....?!? other than that the hinge is cool and it's a sleek device. but I'm not shelling out hundreds for that. I'll await the next mytouch with keyboard (besides.. i LIKE the sense ui... i HATE the genius button)
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agreed. I think they will as well and I'll probably jump on that one. I was kind of hoping there would have been a cam on the g2 but alas... there was not... so right now i don't really see it as an "upgrade" from a slide... thats more like a lateral move... i mean really.. what are you gaining? a faster processor.... on a mobile phone....?!? other than that the hinge is cool and it's a sleek device. but I'm not shelling out hundreds for that. I'll await the next mytouch with keyboard (besides.. i LIKE the sense ui... i HATE the genius button)
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I love the sense ui also. The genius button has potential, but the biggest downside is the load time. I thought it was a low processor issue, but if you watch a few reviews on youtube of the myTouch 4g then you'll see that even it loads the software slow so it must be the program that needs tweaking. As for waiting for the next slide, i would choose the nexus 2 if it comes first so you know that you're guaranteed updates.
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ok what I thought was stupid is the LG optimus S has the 90% same specs of the hero how the hell can it get 2.2 and our hardware our htc hero is 1-2 years old(i think 1) not even been in for long enough and it cant get 2.2 when LG optimus can?! (offical 2.2 froyo not the roms) so stupid someone should just port the LG optimus S to the hero and then we can tell htc the 3rd finger
I agree as well
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I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
Is the mytouch 3g almost like the HTC hero
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Is the mytouch 3g almost like the HTC hero
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is it made my htc?.....lol no
I just thought they were similar
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ok what I thought was stupid is the LG optimus S has the 90% same specs of the hero how the hell can it get 2.2 and our hardware our htc hero is 1-2 years old(i think 1) not even been in for long enough and it cant get 2.2 when LG optimus can?! (offical 2.2 froyo not the roms) so stupid someone should just port the LG optimus S to the hero and then we can tell htc the 3rd finger
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I think the primary issue is using Sense. Since the Hero is a Sense device, so on top of getting 2.2 perfectly functioning, they have to modify Sense to be compatible as well, and that is just something they don't want to invest in.
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I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
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Lol Samsung support their top-tier Galaxy line is not a good comparison against HTC and their low-mid range Hero. Samsung was responsible for one of the worst debacles in Android support history, promising 2.1 for Behold II users and then all of a sudden abandoning support after releasing 1.6. HTC is much more consistent, not to mention their build quality is the best in the industry.
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is it made my htc?.....lol no
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Yes, the MyTouch 3G is made by HTC. MyTouch is just T-Mobile's branding, it is originally the HTC Sapphire or Magic. The MyTouch 3G and Hero are very similar devices, actually.. same CPU, similar amounts of RAM, etc.
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I think the primary issue is using Sense. Since the Hero is a Sense device, so on top of getting 2.2 perfectly functioning, they have to modify Sense to be compatible as well, and that is just something they don't want to invest in.
Lol Samsung support their top-tier Galaxy line is not a good comparison against HTC and their low-mid range Hero. Samsung was responsible for one of the worst debacles in Android support history, promising 2.1 for Behold II users and then all of a sudden abandoning support after releasing 1.6. HTC is much more consistent, not to mention their build quality is the best in the industry.
Yes, the MyTouch 3G is made by HTC. MyTouch is just T-Mobile's branding, it is originally the HTC Sapphire or Magic. The MyTouch 3G and Hero are very similar devices, actually.. same CPU, similar amounts of RAM, etc.
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But were talking about the htc hero on this fourm not the mytouch 3g =/
I know this topic started with the LG optimus S and the HTC hero. The only reason why I asked about the mytouch 3g was because my friend said they weren't similar and I just wanted to know. Sorry for adding the mytouch 3g into this topic.
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shyam101 said:
I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
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The Galaxy-S series is their flagship more "high-end" series of phones, not to mention way newer, not really a fair thing to compare (they are doing great with not rolling out 2.2 updates for their new phones, that's for sure ).
Also, why are you not blaming Sprint at least a little bit about this? They are the carrier, afterall. Hero could receive 2.2 if they wanted it to, I'm sure.
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I swear this might be my FIRST and LAST HTC phone I have ever bought.. I'd rather go with Samsung so far their doing great with their android galaxy series
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The Samsung Moment, on par with the Hero with a little better hardware, isn't getting 2.2 so your argument for Sammy being better is invalid, sir. Also, the Legend is getting updated, and when it does, the devs will be all over it like a hobo on a Ham sandwich. Then the Hero will have sense 2.2. If that's your thing. I'm quite happy with my AOSP rom, though.
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I know this topic started with the LG optimus S and the HTC hero. The only reason why I asked about the mytouch 3g was because my friend said they weren't similar and I just wanted to know. Sorry for adding the mytouch 3g into this topic.
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Googling phone specs, the Hero and the Optimus S are very similar hardware-wise. Not sure about the MT3G, I didn't search for that one...
But as c00ller mentioned above, the Optimus S isn't running SenseUI, hence why it already has Android 2.2. Developing a fully-working 2.2 SenseUI release takes HTC longer to work out. And I'm sure HTC wouldn't let Sprint release plain regular stock Android 2.2 (without SenseUI) for a Sense-based device, which is why the Hero doesn't have it even though it's already available on other similar phones.
I like HTC too much to leave, and it's already official they're not releasing 2.2 for the hero
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The Samsung Moment, on par with the Hero with a little better hardware, isn't getting 2.2 so your argument for Sammy being better is invalid, sir. Also, the Legend is getting updated, and when it does, the devs will be all over it like a hobo on a Ham sandwich. Then the Hero will have sense 2.2. If that's your thing. I'm quite happy with my AOSP rom, though.
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Sorry meant alacy series
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Googling phone specs, the Hero and the Optimus S are very similar hardware-wise.
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not quite so similar..the Optimus has a more up to date processor that runs at 600mhz and almost twice the ram.
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The Samsung Moment, on par with the Hero with a little better hardware..
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As a former moment owner, I agree the hardware is better, the processor is faster. but the radio lock-ups (total phone and data lock up only resolved by pulling the battery), poor gps, exceptionally bad batter life and other software/hardware integration failures were too much to handle. Stock or Custom Rom-- it didn't matter. 3D performance is abysmal on the Moment. You think angry birds is bad on the hero? Try 1 frame every 1-3 seconds on the Moment.
As bad as the problems with the phone were, when it worked it worked very nice. Working was interrupted by very significant bugs like the radio lock, which happened daily (heavy data user/exchange/streaming/etc).
I recently warranty swapped the moment over the hero and couldn't be happier
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Also, why are you not blaming Sprint at least a little bit about this? They are the carrier, afterall. Hero could receive 2.2 if they wanted it to, I'm sure.
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I have to agree with you, T-Mobile made the call in regards to their "No Phone Left Behind" policy. I assume that they must pay extra to get HTC to support "legacy" devices. Sprint on the other hand has decided to focus on their new phones. You'd think the support would last at least as long as the contract you sign with them. That would make most sense.
My wife upgraded from her MyTouch 3G (T-Mobile) to the Hero (Sprint), on which which I quickly rooted and installed CM6 Froyo. The Hero runs 2.2 beautifully, tethers with Barnacle (Hulu and Netflix on road trips!) but the fact is that it is noticeably slower in EVERYTHING compared to the LG Optimus S, especially games (comparisons done live in store).
They have similar CPUs on paper, but the Optimus S is definitely faster in practice. It's like comparing two laptops because they both have Intel CPUs. One is a Celeron, the other is a Core i5.
I'm getting mine on Black Friday at Best Buy for $1.00.
Optimus S has a dual core
The reason that the Optimus S performs better in practice is that it actually has a dual core processor 600 MHz application / 400 MHz modem processor. Look at LG's site. Click on the specifications tab.
http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-LS670-Purple.jsp
Oh yeah, mine arrived at my house yesterday, and is waiting for me to activate it when I get home. I am still keeping my hero for development purposes though.
Being a former moment owner, I think I'll stick with the other manufacturers for quite some time. My hero runs every bit as smooth as my moment and with no data lockups. Had to do battery pull 1-2 times a day, without wifi running at all (which was claimed to be the issues). Now I get every text including all my picture mail not just one every once in a while. Crap radio. Had an LG years ago. It was the original Chocolate with Verizon. Went through four in a year. Circuit board fried and they couldn't figure out why. Little leery about LG now too. Point is, I like the way my HTC runs so think I'll stick with them a while. H
So, how is the mytouch 4g gonna stack up against the new 4G Samsung with a front facing camera that was announced today?? Will the Samsung be better and is it really "REAL" 4G so non-T-Mo people can shut up.
Id say the mytouch doesn't rlly stack up to the OG vibrant, let alone one with 4g and a ffc...
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I was talking about the mytouch 4g.
What are you both delusional? specially Flonkas as MT4G beat that wannabe android device in every aspect. In this very forum under few threads down you may want to look at it. lol @ op for thinking Vibrant 4G and Vibrant is diff device.
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What are you both delusional? specially Flonkas as MT4G beat that wannabe android device in every aspect. In this very forum under few threads down you may want to look at it. lol @ op for thinking Vibrant 4G and Vibrant is diff device.
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I don't see why you feel the need to "lol" at me just for asking a question. Unless I didn't understand and you were just being funny. All I've read on the blogs all day today since it was announced is that it will be a better phone. I'm asking why and if that's true. That's all. Don't be such a snob. I found your reply flame-y and a little unnecessary. Again, IF you were trying to make fun of me.
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What are you both delusional? specially Flonkas as MT4G beat that wannabe android device in every aspect. In this very forum under few threads down you may want to look at it. lol @ op for thinking Vibrant 4G and Vibrant is diff device.
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yeah the one differance is 4g and ffc which you can put a ffc in the original yourself. so really? HUGE upgrade -_- i cant wait for the new sidekick 4g though! i cant wait to get a new phone this one is ticking me off.
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I don't see why you feel the need to "lol" at me just for asking a question. Unless I didn't understand and you were just being funny. All I've read on the blogs all day today since it was announced is that it will be a better phone. I'm asking why and if that's true. That's all. Don't be such a snob. I found your reply flame-y and a little unnecessary. Again, IF you were trying to make fun of me.
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Wasn't trying to offend you but was just stating facts as we covered it long ago here. Now in what ways will Vibrant 4G be better?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=909916
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913896
I'm with STHNS. After buying a Captivate for my gf and doing research on it I am flabberghasted at how many issues plague that phone. The rooting procedure is a nightmare, the GPS is a joke, Samsung's bloatware is incredible and almost a year later they still haven't updated it to Froyo.
I am VERY glad I didn't get a Vibrant. Stay away is my advice.
Cool, guys thanks. I only heard about this phone on Monday when the rumors hit, so I had no idea people were already talking about it.
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Cool, guys thanks. I only heard about this phone on Monday when the rumors hit, so I had no idea people were already talking about it.
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My guess is there won't be a new T-Mo phone that could seriously challenge the MT4G until March (sorry Nexus S users)
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So, how is the mytouch 4g gonna stack up against the new 4G Samsung with a front facing camera that was announced today?? Will the Samsung be better and is it really "REAL" 4G so non-T-Mo people can shut up.
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I am a former Vibrant owner. The MT4G is leaps and bounds beyond the Vibrant. In the 3 months that I've owned the Vibrant, the majority of my time was spent trying to apply various fixes to try to make the phone work as it should. With the MT4G, the only modification I've made was applying the Gingerbread launcher. As such, I have no reason to believe that the repackaged Vibrant (make no mistake, it's the same phone with a couple of extra bells and whistles thrown in) will be any better. I suggest avoiding Samsung phones altogether, at least in the near future. That company really needs to get its act together.
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My guess is there won't be a new T-Mo phone that could seriously challenge the MT4G until March (sorry Nexus S users)
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Agreed. We've got the best processor, the most RAM, and because it's an HTC we've got tons of ROMs and developer support. There's been an ongoing project to port the Nexus S ROM over to SGS for months now and it's still unstable. We've got CM7 as a daily driver already.
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I am a former Vibrant owner. The MT4G is leaps and bounds beyond the Vibrant. In the 3 months that I've owned the Vibrant, the majority of my time was spent trying to apply various fixes to try to make the phone work as it should. With the MT4G, the only modification I've made was applying the Gingerbread launcher. As such, I have no reason to believe that the repackaged Vibrant (make no mistake, it's the same phone with a couple of extra bells and whistles thrown in) will be any better. I suggest avoiding Samsung phones altogether, at least in the near future. That company really needs to get its act together.
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I would agree with this. I had much respect for Samsung but after buying my gf a Captivate and doing more research I'm on it I'm very displeased with them.
LOL kgbkny I remember when I had HD2 and Vibrant first came out people came up to me and was like this is better than yours I was like idiot you don't even have lagfix installed and I can beat it down without scaling my CPU at 768mhz. He had no idea so I installed various packages and fixes and he agreed it ran better after and was thankful. But ya Samsung you should avoid it period go with superior mobile vendor like HTC how many phone that is flagship of many carrier is not HTC? Lets be real now HTC is the way to go.
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how many phone that is flagship of many carrier is not HTC?
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That's true.
MT4G
EVO4G
DROID INCREDIBLE
Basically everyone but AT&T has an HTC as their flagship phone.
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That's true.
MT4G
EVO4G
DROID INCREDIBLE
Basically everyone but AT&T has an HTC as their flagship phone.
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lol they have reason for that as AT&T's flagship is iPanzy 4 which is another thread of its own but ya AT&T is just crippling Android device in its lineup. I been telling ya all not to trust THE death star as VZ is the only carrier left from the OG Bell 6/7 split.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsCp-1hgfxI
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Id say the mytouch doesn't rlly stack up to the OG vibrant, let alone one with 4g and a ffc...
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I laughed at this one and I'm a vibrant owner. I got my wife a mt4g for xmas and there is no comparison. Stock out of the box the mt4g is leaps and bounds better than the vibrant. As far as speed and response, the stock mt4g was at a minimum as fast as my rooted/modded/voodoo lagfixed vibrant.
I've installed just about every rom that's come out for the vibrant from eugene, master, and team whiskey as well as every leaked modem that's come out and the mt4g consistently gets better signal than my vibrant as well. I'll be sitting in my house and the vibrant goes back and forth between edge and 3g and I've never seen the mytouch on edge once. Then you have to factor in the gps problem of the samsungs and the fact that samsung has a terrible history of supporting their devices. They'll straight up leave you hanging. They came out with the galaxy s line, then in no time flat they come out with the nexus s, and now they've come out with the vibrant 4g. All that is great if they support their devices when they move on to new ones but they have a history of not doing that. In the meantime I can put gingerbread on my old ass HTC G1.
The one thing the Samsung has going for it is the screen. That screen is hot **** but it's not so great that it makes up for all the other areas that it's deficient in IMO.
Plus the mt4g has sensui. Not everyone likes sense. I do, but more importantly I can run the senseui but if I want something different I can root the phone and install a more vanilla android experience. With the vibrant there isn't any stable sense roms running on it. So you have more variety with the mt4g as well. Plus the extra RAM doesn't hurt either or the FFC. I like the physical buttons and the trackpad as well. YMMV.
see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb5K1CBTRHU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0sRMdYFlyc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZaFM6UgDnQ
Actually the original galaxy s the international version had the FFC, may be tmo is just playing this apple game of streaming the upgrades for its customers.
The MT4 will still be the better phone if samsung chose to use the same wimpy cpu already found in their vibrant.
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That's true.
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AT&T is getting the Desire HD very soon. Of all the current phones, it's the only one that I would give up the MT4G for.
Did you check the communication spec for DHD? It uses 900/2100mhz for 3G you won't get 3G in USA but you can use 2G for d/v. Far as MT4G vs DHD goes I was like you also but as they do share similar spec but if you look at benchmark you will see MT4G is superior than DHD but DHD does have 4.3" display lol which I miss so dearly, but also would have picked DHD if had 3G support.
I'm going to be changing providers soon to Sprint. I've been on T-Mobile for the longest time. Had a Nexus One but sold it due to financial woes.
Anyhoo... I'm looking at the Samsung Epic 4G and it seems to be the nicest phone I've seen yet on Sprint. I don't like the EVO, at all, and the EVO with a keyboard is too small for me.
Thoughts on Samsung? Thoughts on this phone overall? I have played with them a bit (a couple of co-workers have them) and, though I'm disappointed that they don't have the 2.2 Update yet... I'll live. I haven't had a smart phone at all for several months now.
I'll be getting it at the end of next week, if the Epic is what I decide on.
If you want a high end one, and you don't want the evo, get the epic. Otherwise, for sprint ID android, get the Optimus S.
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Well, I have both the Evo and Epic, but I would sell my Evo before I sold my Epic. Just because when the source code drops for the Epic, CM6 +CM7 + overclocked- undervolted kernels etc... will make this phone shine like it should have been 5 months ago.
epic or evo
Id wait as long as possible because sprint will be dropping some new phones somtime this quarter. I know one of them being windows phone7. The Evo is outdated to me, the epic isn't well supported but still the best phone imo. Evo shift close 2nd.
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Id wait as long as possible because sprint will be dropping some new phones somtime this quarter. I know one of them being windows phone7. The Evo is outdated to me, the epic isn't well supported but still the best phone imo. Evo shift close 2nd.
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I think the Galaxy S2 line of phones will be announced in a few weeks.
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Id wait as long as possible because sprint will be dropping some new phones somtime this quarter. I know one of them being windows phone7. The Evo is outdated to me, the epic isn't well supported but still the best phone imo. Evo shift close 2nd.
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Agreed. Dual core phones are just around the corner and Nvidia is releasing its Tegra 3 Quad core chip this fall. Buying a single core phone right now is not in your best interest.
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I think the Galaxy S2 line of phones will be announced in a few weeks.
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They better not. Samsung has like 40 Galaxy S phones as it is. If they go and announce new phones without updating us to at least Froyo I am going to be pissed.
muyoso said:
They better not. Samsung has like 40 Galaxy S phones as it is. If they go and announce new phones without updating us to at least Froyo I am going to be pissed.
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The device, dubbed the Samsung Galaxy S2 and internally codenamed "Seine," is said to have a 1GHz dual core processor, a 4.3 or 4.5-inch Super AMOLED Plus screen, an 8 MP camera, NFC chip, and will run on Android 2.3 Gingerbread.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/01/samsung-galaxy-s2-seine-specifications-lea/
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The device, dubbed the Samsung Galaxy S2 and internally codenamed "Seine," is said to have a 1GHz dual core processor, a 4.3 or 4.5-inch Super AMOLED Plus screen, an 8 MP camera, NFC chip, and will run on Android 2.3 Gingerbread.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/01/samsung-galaxy-s2-seine-specifications-lea/
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Damn it has gingerbread and we do.t even have official froyo. Oh yeah I would wait as well man. There are some better phones coming soon. I'm still drooling over the atrix. I think that will be the best phone this year unless the tegra3's come out.
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They better not. Samsung has like 40 Galaxy S phones as it is. If they go and announce new phones without updating us to at least Froyo I am going to be pissed.
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I see no difference. All manufacturers do it. Sounds like a double standard. No device has 2.3. I can name a few devices that have 2.1 or lower with a promise to update, and they all are coming out with newer devices.
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I see no difference. All manufacturers do it. Sounds like a double standard. No device has 2.3. I can name a few devices that have 2.1 or lower with a promise to update, and they all are coming out with newer devices.
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The difference is that when this phone launched it was launched under the guise that it would receive Froyo in a timely manner. Now 5 months later they haven't updated it yet. The more phones they release, the less incentive they have to update older devices. They gain nothing financially from updating devices to newer versions of Android. A small percentage of people, at most in the high single digits, actually care/know what version of Android the phone is running. Even if they wrote off this group of people and these people never bought Samsung again, they gain business by constantly introducing new shiny phones for the remaining 90+% to buy.
That is why I am concerned with them releasing new awesome phones while ours remain on Android 2.1.
Regardless how long they took they still kept their end of the bargain. Look st the mytouch slide. They are speculating someone after march for their 2.2 upgrade. So HTC should get the same flack. Yet I don't see it. Motorola did the same thing with the droid X. they brought out 2 devices with 2.2 while droid X users waited. See what I am talking about? People tend to promote another manufacturer without actually looking at times. They all do the same thing and sometimes it falls under the radar.
The best android phone for sprint is not the one I have (epic), but the one that has the best specs today. Don't believe anything sprint says about future software updates unless they put in writing with a specific release date. Sprint are the biggest gd liars when it comes to selling phones.
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Samsung epic is the best phone hands down!
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The epic is a much better phone but as you can tell with all the froyo post samsung and sprint cant seem to provide us with an actual update. That had never been a problem with any htc I have ever owned.
that's the only reason I say evo.
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If you can live without an official Froyo for an indeterminate period of time, or are willing to try custom ROMs, then go for it. The Epic is a great piece of hardware, I really like mine. Then again, there'll be some new hardware coming to Sprint in the near future I'm sure.. might be better to wait another month or two if you can stand it.
updates are nice...but if Google is really trying to push this gaming stuff, then thats when the Evo gets killed. They added a lot of things in Gingerbread for gaming but none of that is going to help the Evo out. The Evo with Gingerbread still can't play Dungeon Defenders while the Epic on 2.1 can...so really, Gingerbread is just an update that gives the Evo the Epic experience (because Gingerbread really does feel like 2.2.1 on the Epic).
And there are so many other things wrong with the Evo as well....main thing is 4G and battery life. The Evo doesnt even report the right battery percentages. You can be on 100% then go into recovery, come out of recovery and be at 96%...go back into recovery and come out of it and be at 98% -.-. The battery is also a slippery slope. Once the phone heats up, there's absolutely no way of cooling it down unless you stop EVERYTHING you're doing. And everything heats it up, and it only takes 20 mins of usage to go from 80 to +95 degrees. They do have the dev community and kernels, but the kernels only help with the sleeping (barely). They dont really help with actual usage because of the slippery slope.
Also the Epic is a true 4G phone. It treats 4G more like 3G than WiFi. With the Evo, once you connect to 4G, it runs nonstop, which is why people thought 4G was a guzzler and thats why I was afraid to use it on my Epic. but the Epic actually times it out when not in use and starts it back up once in use, saves a ton of battery.
So Hardware: Epic wins
Software: Evo wins
Overall: Epic
Now the Evo wins software because of the updates and dev community, but let me put it like this....I had the Evo since August and since August Ive tried literally all roms and kernels...damn near every different combination...I followed every tip provided that promised better performance and battery life...and at the end of the day my phone was basically the same as it was out of the box. I was happy because I've never seen any better and thought that the Evo was the best out there. After one day of using the Epic, I can't go back. I just flashed DK28 and that experience alone is way better than anything the Evo has had to offer. Performance = top notch. Battery life = top notch. Its just perfect. This phone is simply perfect and I honestly don't think that HTC should be allowed to make anymore Android phones.