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T-Mobile indeed upgrading mytouch to 2.0?

Hey I was reading through Tmobile USA twitter and they posted something regarding to mytouch3g and 2.0
@articulategeek Yes, it is upgradable. T-Mobile is coordinating with Google on the next release.
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My new MyTouch 3G was just automagically updated to firmware 1.6. Could it be that 2.0 is close behind? Be still my geeky heart. #TMobile
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http://twitter.com/tmobile_mytouch
does this mean that Tmobile is indeed working on getting 2.0 out for mytouch3g and possibly g1 (sincei ts similar HW)?

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The one thing we can say for sure about tmobile's android strategy is that they prefer to stay at least 1 or 2 large steps behind their competition. So until they show more than the slightest interest in Android, which could happen should the rumors prove true, im not holding by breath. It took them nearly a year to produce their 2nd Android phone (mt3g), and it had 0 performance improvements on the first Android phone (g1). This simply isnt a carrier that, at this point, has done anything to show any confidence in the google operating system after their initial attempt with the g1. Im hoping to baby jesus that their confidence and outlook for Android changes, but tmobile is the cheapest carrier, and they have poor coverage, so i would expect them to believe their customers arent interested in high-end devices. On the other hand i bought out my last contract just to get a g1, so hopefully their are enough of the same type of customers to get tmobile interested in keeping such customers...

mytouch is not getting 2.0, it's getting 2.5 and it is going to be released in january and it has flash player

the next release after 2.0 is 2.1, 2.5 is not coming out for a WHILE. I dont know where you heard about this but this is impossible.

Impossible is such an overused word. Improbable is more like it. this has already been discussed in a couple threads in the dream forums. that's why I said what I did about it. Someone was saying the release date for it is january 18. go check it out yourself.

Actually believe it or not I to have seen the talk for T-Mobile releasing the 2.5 update. I don't remember where, I will track down my source. But ya it wont be for the MT3G thou. I am pretty sure any way. I will look tonight for it. I think I was reading up for the Cliq and read after the decision on the Nexus One and a few other phone deals are made it will be decided on when the update will be allowed. Once again I will search for where I saw this. I am sorry for being empty handed right now. Please try and remember how fast all the other updates came thou. So 2.5 really isn't as far as we all think. The updates are only minor fixes that the Google staff and other affiliates get to work on everyday they punch in. So I would not be surprised if there isn't a 3.0 already being worked on.

I too have read in a few places the mt3g was getting 2.5. All I want is the better 2.0 onscreen keyboard and flash support.

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just psoted on same twitter:
@Sergiolvrd T-Mobile is coordinating with Google on future updates. Plz watch http://tinyurl.com/yatd2ul for news as available. Thanks!
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Sprint Speaks via Twitter on 2.1 Update

Might be the bearer of unhappy news here, but Sprint sent a couple of tweets out today concerning the update.
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553847246
"Android users:Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC on 2.1, on track to be avail Q2. Sprint had hoped to have this resolved by now."
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553862034
"Many thanks to our customers for your continued patience as we work to bring you a positive experience with the 2.1 upgrade."
I guess the fevor pitch got too high and they felt a need to defuse it. Was that a hint of frustration on Sprint's part there as well? ("...had hoped to have this resolved by now.")
Anyway, back to being satisfied with our ROMs for me. Sorry everyone.

least it's still a bit of hope for us not running 2.1 yet. It's a small step in the right direction. Sprint is finally communicating at least something.

How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.

smstutler said:
How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.

Kcarpenter said:
It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.

Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!

TheBiles said:
Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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That pretty much said it perfectly ...

smstutler said:
How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.

lorsoblu said:
If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.

smstutler said:
Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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Couldn't agree more.

Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo. This is like Deja Vu. The hero came out with old software that had been running on the g1 for a year. Then we sit and wait for 7 months for an update that will most likely be old by the time we get it. They are working on 2.2 and that is coming soon. Now people are going to jump on the same bandwagon for the evo which is the exact situation with the hero. They release the phone in june with software that is going to be considered old a few months later. Everyone that gets the evo will then complain that they are not on 2.2 and how sprint and htc dropped the ball again.
Me personally, I don't think I will get the evo just because of this fiasco. I have been using 2.1 for a while and it's great but is it worth all this headache.....NO. If android doesn't fix this fragmentation they will lose lots of customers. This will really be felt when the new iphone comes out. It's easy for them to play back and forth now but when the biggest competitor comes out, these problems will not be overlooked by most consumers.
I personally think that this update is being held back till the evo comes out so they can sway consumers to that product. Business isn't always about pleasing the consumer. Sprint has got your money and htc has got your money. They want you to buy a new phone and that's that. I wouldn't be suprised if the update drops the same exact week as the evo. They will say sorry for the delay and not meeting the Q2 but it's coming out soon. Nothing is etched in stone and we are just hanging on every word hoping something new will be released.
We have been dealing with broken youtube player and nothing has been done or mentioned to fix it. Do you really want to take the risk in doing this again. Everything is going to be put aside till the evo drops. That is the phone that is supposedly going to save sprint it's decline in customers. The eris is going to be discontinued by verizon this month. This should show everyone that htc is not interested in these products anymore. If they were we would have gotten 1.6 when it became available. The hero was made to open the eyes of cdma customers to android. It did just that and now it's time to get you to upgrade so they can continue to make money. Why does sprint care if you get 2.1. There not going to make any money in dropping the update, so why rush.

my point exactly

I am really curious to know what problems with 2.1 are causing the delay?? After all we have a decent working version now. If there really is some big issue wouldn't we have found it by now?

I don't think its "Android," its Sprint w/ HTC and Samsung implementing 2.1 to their devices. But that's just me.

smstutler said:
Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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SMH........

My guess is that the problem lies with one of the POS sprint applications that are stripped out of almost all the custom ROMs since the problem is effecting both the Samsung and HTC updates. They have never worked right and in an application rich environment like Android, I don't think they are necessary. Nav was nice for 1.5, but no longer necessary. NFL is a decent application, but poorly implemented. You can't even let the screen turn off while streaming audio. Sprint TV is a cool idea, but again poorly implemented. It would always start up in the background for no reason. Many people have said it in defense of Sprint, sprint is not a software company... I know they outsource these applications, but it is to a company that has no apparent android experience.

Jjday7 said:
Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?

Does it really matter? If someone is THAT hard up for the updated OS, they can get it without waiting for the official release. And if they're not that impatient, they're probably ok on what they're using.
The people that really want to upgrade their phone can and will do it. I see no reason to freak out about if/when Sprint will release their version of the upgrade.
And for what it's worth, Sprint has ALWAYS been behind in releasing OS updates. They were like that with WinMO as well. Hence one of the reasons people started hacking and developing ROMs to begin with.

danknee said:
The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
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Isn't Sprint still on track to have the only phones in the US upgraded to 2.1? I mean they are at least going to be the first ones to do it. Not that there aren't companies with a 2.1 phone.
And about fragmentation...it affects EVERY software company, unless the supply exact hardware. FroYo will likely take care of most of it - they approached it with a very modular design. And Rumor has it Gingerbread+ will have more specific hardware requirements, thought still less restrictive than Iphone and WinMo.
We are in an interesting time in the Mobile World. A lot of innovation is happening VERY quickly. It's simply Moore's Law. The next generation of hardware coming down the pipe is just TOO different than what we are running now.

smstutler said:
You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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When I posted this I looked through the first two pages to check if the info was already up, and to the best of my knowledge it wasn't. (After I posted I saw that the SprintGuy thread had just got updated with it as well, but it was practically at the same time)
Doesn't matter though, we will probably still have someone post this tomorrow morning.

Froyo's fast! Will we have it?

So does anyone know if the Evo will ship with Eclair (2.1) or Froyo (2.2)? I ask because I read an article today that said the built in JIT in Froyo is getting 37 MFLOPS on the Nexus One as opposed to the 6 MFLOPS in Eclair. If we are only going to have 2.1 on release I really can't wait until it's rooted so we can get 2.2.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05...n-fire-from-the-friction-because-its-so-fast/

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So does anyone know if the Evo will ship with Eclair (2.1) or Froyo (2.2)? I ask because I read an article today that said the built in JIT in Froyo is getting 37 MFLOPS on the Nexus One as opposed to the 6 MFLOPS in Eclair. If we are only going to have 2.1 on release I really can't wait until it's rooted so we can get 2.2.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05...n-fire-from-the-friction-because-its-so-fast/
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The Evo will ship with 2.1 - mod 1.
However, there are rumors that once the phone is turned on, it will be prompted for an OTA 2.2 update -- The other rumor is that FroYo has already been put on some of the test Evo units, and will be out within six weeks of launch of the phone...
Then there's always the pessimists who say: The Moment and Hero has taken a millennium, so Sprint is gonna screw us over on the Evo too.
Believe what you will.

chuckhriczko said:
So does anyone know if the Evo will ship with Eclair (2.1) or Froyo (2.2)? I ask because I read an article today that said the built in JIT in Froyo is getting 37 MFLOPS on the Nexus One as opposed to the 6 MFLOPS in Eclair. If we are only going to have 2.1 on release I really can't wait until it's rooted so we can get 2.2.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05...n-fire-from-the-friction-because-its-so-fast/
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That gargantuan increase in speed is a bit misleading. The program they're using an application called LINPACK.
LINPACK is a number-crunching application that has performance properties that are almost the opposite of most types of software. Floating point operations are very easy to speed up with a JIT compiler (which is what Froyo is doing).
General purpose code is much harder to speed up. I wouldn't expect more than a factor of 2-2.5x speedup for the first generations of the compiler. But it'll still be a big improvement, I'm sure.

What's the big change with froyo, why is it so much better?

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What's the big change with froyo, why is it so much better?
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Think of it like the performance increases with every later release of Windows and Mac OSX. Versions of Android up to this date have been pretty rough around the edges; 2.1 is the only version that manages to show off what the operating system can really do. As time goes on, Google will refine it more and more, to the point where crashes and lag are virtually nonexistent.

keatre said:
The Evo will ship with 2.1 - mod 1.
However, there are rumors that once the phone is turned on, it will be prompted for an OTA 2.2 update -- The other rumor is that FroYo has already been put on some of the test Evo units, and will be out within six weeks of launch of the phone...
Then there's always the pessimists who say: The Moment and Hero has taken a millennium, so Sprint is gonna screw us over on the Evo too.
Believe what you will.
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Where are those rumors from? Got a link?

keatre said:
The Evo will ship with 2.1 - mod 1.
However, there are rumors that once the phone is turned on, it will be prompted for an OTA 2.2 update -- The other rumor is that FroYo has already been put on some of the test Evo units, and will be out within six weeks of launch of the phone...
Then there's always the pessimists who say: The Moment and Hero has taken a millennium, so Sprint is gonna screw us over on the Evo too.
Believe what you will.
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I hope since this will be Sprint's flagship phone, they will actually treat it like it is after it is released.

evo = Froyo?
www.google.com/m?hl=en&gl=us&client=ms-android-google&source=android-unknown&q=will+evo+get+froyo?

I spoke with a sprint store clerk the other day, he said that the evo will get the FroYo update soon after the nexus one, or so he thought.

I'm sure someone on XDA will have a JIT hack working for the EVO well before an official 2.2 update anyway... there's a JIT patch available for the moment and while it's a bit buggy (I had random reboots for a day before it stabilized) it already works. and the community for the EVO will be much larger than that of the moment

ActionVonAction said:
I spoke with a sprint store clerk the other day, he said that the evo will get the FroYo update soon after the nexus one, or so he thought.
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Sprint reps know LESS than most people in who visit this kind of forum. Sprint wont pass down confidential info to retail/call center reps since theres always someone who will go and spill the beans. You are better off reading engadget.com or some other site that deals with technology.

hankyjackz said:
Sprint reps know LESS than most people in who visit this kind of forum. Sprint wont pass down confidential info to retail/call center reps since theres always someone who will go and spill the beans. You are better off reading engadget.com or some other site that deals with technology.
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I second that. And I'd be that the froyo would be on EVO WITH sprint support since flash would work very well on the 4g network. This could boost Sprint back up from their bad names.
And those sprint reps usually don't know too much... unless they are on these forums and are phone fanatics like the rest of us.

deekoi said:
I second that. And I'd be that the froyo would be on EVO WITH sprint support since flash would work very well on the 4g network. This could boost Sprint back up from their bad names.
And those sprint reps usually don't know too much... unless they are on these forums and are phone fanatics like the rest of us.
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im kinda hurt lol i am a sprint employee but u guys are right they do hold out on us juss not as much as you guys think....

I would almost count on the EVO not getting FroYo for a long time because Android 2.2 comes with built in wi-fi hotspot capability. A feature Sprint will be hoping to sell you at +$30/month. Unless they decide to cripple that aspect of 2.2 so they can continue to charge for their own version of it.

Gambit727 said:
I would almost count on the EVO not getting FroYo for a long time because Android 2.2 comes with built in wi-fi hotspot capability. A feature Sprint will be hoping to sell you at +$30/month. Unless they decide to cripple that aspect of 2.2 so they can continue to charge for their own version of it.
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I bet we get it. Sprint and HTC will want to push a f****on of these things out to customers. The best way to do that is to keep them updated. It'll be Sprint's flagship phone for the next year.
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who knows whether or not Froyo will come to the Evo, but this is one positive sign. where google used to be promoting the nexus one, they still are (on tmobile) but if you click on "Get Your Phone" at google.com/phone you'll see Google mentions the Evo if you have Sprint:
"For Sprint, you can pre-register for the HTC EVO 4G, a powerful Android phone with support for Sprint's 3G & 4G network. Go to sprint.com to pre-register now!"
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?hl=en&gl=US&s7e=
so basically at least google is paying attention to and acknowledging this handset... not a bad sign

Agreed. I'd really doubt that Google would totally neglect a device they themselves are pushing on their own website. Furthermore, Sprint kind of needs this update to make at least some of the features of the Evo work in the first place. If they were to block the update altogether, the phone wouldn't sell nearly as well as they'd like it to.

No one knows for sure. This is because these companies have serious commitment issues and refuse to announce anything until they have to. There is no logical reason to suspect that this phone won't have a FroYo release very soon. I must say I'm rather annoyed that it won't have it at release since I see no reason they couldn't have been working on it this past month or two. Google needs to find some contractual way to light a fire under the handset manufacturers/service providers collective arse to ensure they stop dragging their feet on updates. It only hurts them in the end.

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Agreed. I'd really doubt that Google would totally neglect a device they themselves are pushing on their own website. Furthermore, Sprint kind of needs this update to make at least some of the features of the Evo work in the first place. If they were to block the update altogether, the phone wouldn't sell nearly as well as they'd like it to.
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It won't be Google that neglects the handset, it'll Sprint if it happens. I personally feel that it will ship with 2.1 and won't be immediately updated with Froyo. Most people who will buying the EVO won't know of benefits (if any) of Froyo. Sprint usually likes to sit on updates to make sure all their apps (Nascar - good grief) continue to work as expected.

Confirmed: HTC EVO 4G Will Run Froyo
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...g-will-run-froyo-the-next-version-of-android/
take it with a grain of salt

EVO 4g Already Rooted...LOL! :)

Yep, looks like some EVO's were given to anyone attending Googles I/O event and its already been rooted. Good news for 99% of people in this forum, I know you are all switching Just thought I would share!
<3 all the dev's out there!
"We're still a good dozen days away from its public release, but the Evo 4G has already been given a rooting makeover. Google dished out Evo handsets to all the lucky (so lucky!) attendees of its blowout I/O 2010 event, and a trio of those visitors rolled up their sleeves and decided to get down and intimate with the phone over the weekend. The product of their labor is at this stage just a few screenshots and a blurry video after the break, but fear not, we're sure details of the hack will be forthcoming promptly."
-- engadgetmobile
SRRY I CANT LINK DIRECT

hate to be the troll who does this to you, but wrong section.

Link: http://grack.com/blog/2010/05/23/root-on-an-htc-evo-4g/

^thanks sk63
and I realize this is the hero section. I own a hero, but I figured a lot of hero owners would be interested. feel free to move/delete it if needed mods

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Link: http://grack.com/blog/2010/05/23/root-on-an-htc-evo-4g/
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i'm looking into it to find if it's exploit is useful for our cdma hero.

Definitely wrong section, but all I can say is HELL YES!!!! Cant wait till I get my EVO come the 4th.

bretwalters13 said:
Yep, looks like some EVO's were given to anyone attending Googles I/O event and its already been rooted. Good news for 99% of people in this forum, I know you are all switching Just thought I would share!
<3 all the dev's out there!
"We're still a good dozen days away from its public release, but the Evo 4G has already been given a rooting makeover. Google dished out Evo handsets to all the lucky (so lucky!) attendees of its blowout I/O 2010 event, and a trio of those visitors rolled up their sleeves and decided to get down and intimate with the phone over the weekend. The product of their labor is at this stage just a few screenshots and a blurry video after the break, but fear not, we're sure details of the hack will be forthcoming promptly."
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SRRY I CANT LINK DIRECT
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im not sure that EVERYONE will be going to the EVO ... yes its a nice phone and love the size of the screen , but looks like Sprint is going to use AT&T tacktics.. i am told you will need to pay for 4g service ( per month ) even if you dont want it! another words , you will need to purchase a plan that will allow the EVO to work and that service will cost more money per month ...
as for me i would rather have the NExus One but we shall see what happens ..

I really wish that Sprint didn't release such amazing phones within a year range that are near the same, besides hardware specs...
And on topic now, that's amazing! Hopefully like someone said, that can be used towards our rooting!

Pisses me off that this is coming so soon, I have until early october until I qualify for a $75 credit since that was when our heros were released. Hopefully there will be some equally impressive or better phones coming to sprint by the end of the year?

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i'm looking into it to find if it's exploit is useful for our cdma hero.
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This was my first thought too... The EVO is running 2.1 correct? it has been rooted, which should open the door for the rooting of the Official version running on the Hero.
I hope the Dev's stick around and support the Hero for a while yet as the phone is awesome, especially with the Newest Rom's.
Happy Trails!

Sheesh WRONG SECTION!...
Kidding
Thanks for posting this, I seem to forget that there are other sections.

This is good news but this should be moved the the general section tbh.

rgildoss said:
im not sure that EVERYONE will be going to the EVO ... yes its a nice phone and love the size of the screen , but looks like Sprint is going to use AT&T tacktics.. i am told you will need to pay for 4g service ( per month ) even if you dont want it! another words , you will need to purchase a plan that will allow the EVO to work and that service will cost more money per month ...
as for me i would rather have the NExus One but we shall see what happens ..
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Its $10 additional to whatever ur paying now... not really a big change in anything... just like when people bought their hero's, it required a certain plan.. its the same thing.. u gotta pay for the 4G service..
(and would people stop wasting your time to post "wrong section".. let a mod see it or figure it out... no need in 20 people sayin the same ****)

Just because the Evo was able to be rooted doesn't mean that it should help with the Hero 2.1 Case in point.....even after the hero was initially rooted, how long did it take for the eris to follow suit even though it was running the same 1.5?

I'm not sure if I really want the EVO or if it's just wanting to be on the cutting edge... it's kinda useless to me where I live because there are 0 plans to bring 4g here anytime soon, but they're bringing it to town 60 miles away. Bad timing in my honest opinion for this phone, because only select markets get to benefit from it's main feature, 4g.

jerry43812 said:
I'm not sure if I really want the EVO or if it's just wanting to be on the cutting edge... it's kinda useless to me where I live because there are 0 plans to bring 4g here anytime soon, but they're bringing it to town 60 miles away. Bad timing in my honest opinion for this phone, because only select markets get to benefit from it's main feature, 4g.
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Its the same thing as when the G1 came to T-mobile. It was their first 3g phone, and they had almost no 3g coverage at the time. Sprint has been rolling out 4g for a while. It makes sense in the areas that have it or are slated to have it soon. Plus, the phone itself is amazing on 3g, so really, I don't see why it matters. The 10 dollars sucks if all you get is 3g, but whatever, still cheaper than anyone else, and you do no longer have a 5 GB limit.

Hopefully Sprint in its infinite wisdom doesn't delay the release to update these in a big effin hurry before they're in our hot little hands. Not that there's precedent for that, but ...
I know there were other devs with this ROM waiting to show they had root as well just for that reason. Oh well. crosses fingers!!!

EVO looks bad ass, but it breaks my heart to see that they don't even have any set plans of 4G where I live. Hopefully sprint puts out another snapdragon that can hold me over till 4g spreads a little more, I don't wanna pay 10 extra bucks a month for service I can't utilize.

markus_del_marko said:
This is good news but this should be moved the the general section tbh.
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I thought the EVO wasn't rootable?
J/K markus, but this just goes to show you that when these devs want something, they do it, fast.

Well my wife and i got our HUGE tax return today and im trying to talk her into letting my sell my hero and buy the EVO. Problem is as of june 1st my company is closing down so ill be outta work. Decisions, decisions.

My upgrade is due today...

I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?

I came from an Evo to the Shift. Don't want to go back.

Stuke00 said:
I am stuck between the EVO and the Shift.
My wife has the EPIC, which has a really nice GPU, but I refuse to personally own a Samsung phone..
How is the GPU in the EVO Shift?
Is the smaller screen really a draw back?
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It is really a matter of opinion. I had an Epic and I will tell you that there is no other smartphone line on the market that can match the graphics performance of the Hummingbird processor. They won't even come close.
That said, the GPU on the shift is not bad, its just not as good as the one in the SGS line. Personally, I don't play a lot of games on my phone and if I do they are not GPU intensive ones. My wife (she owns the shift and I now have an Evo) plays the sims on her phone and I've never seen it even stutter. I've watched full 1080p avi videos on both phones and never had an issue.
As to the screen, no one can say for you if its an issue. For me, it is. 3.6 is just too small but to my wife its more than enough. My suggestion would be to the sprint store and play with each. If you want the big screen the Evo is great and it has a great development community. If you want the keyboard, even though there doesn't seem to be a lot going on around here there are a lot of great devs would have already switched and are just waiting for permanent root to start releasing some very cool stuff.

For me, I wouldn't get or use my evo without the sprint extended battery for it. That fixes a major evo issue, battery life. It depends on what's most important features on a smartphone. I won't go through all the questions but figure out what you're wanting to do most often and go with the phone which that is it's strongpoints.
None of them do everything well.

I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.

anthonyf27 said:
I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.

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Might I ask why you're waiting for permanent root? You are of course entitled to your own opinion and can make your own decision, I just don't understand your reasoning.
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I agree, that's intriguing. Permanent root will happen, the Shift out of the box will blow your Hero away if you're worried about the bloatware.

I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is one day after my 30 day mark.

Zardos66 said:
I have the phone and I'm waiting for Perma root. In fact, if it's not achieved before my 30 days mark, I might take it back and buy it again once its done.
Use and abuse the 30 days I say. This also might free me up for whatever is being revealed on the 7th, which is on day after my 30 day mark.
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I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.

anthonyf27 said:
I'm personally waiting for root on the Shift before I decide to buy it. Of course by then Sprint may announce something better. We'll see. My Hero is fine for now.
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Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!

wardfan220 said:
I read something somewhere about what they are revealing but I forgot what it was and where I saw it, lol.
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I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!

tps70 said:
I've read some speculation about an iPhone 4G, but I don't know if I believe it. I've always felt the iPhone and iOS were overrated - I wouldn't buy one even if Sprint did offer it. Android all the way for me!
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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.

tps70 said:
Like you, I'm currently using an HTC Hero (fully rooted, ROM'd, & themed). I'm due for my upgrade next month, but am having difficulty deciding between the Epic & Evo Shift. They both seem to have their strong points, but I'm just torn. I'm thinking I'll "test drive" the Epic (sAMOLED screen really looks nice), and if I don't like it I'll use the 30-day return policy & give the Evo Shift a try.
The biggest complaint I've been reading about the Epic is lack of support. I've figured out that this basically means people are upset that it doesn't have an official Samsung FroYo release yet. Understandable. HTC seems to have gotten better with their updates (my wife has an OG Evo), but I remember a time when we Hero users were very, very upset with HTC/Sprint because we didn't have Eclair for the longest time. Remember that?
Bottom line (for me) is that no phone manufacturer is perfect!
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i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift

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I said something about that somewhere, but that's just total speculation on my part, based on VZW getting it. Unless you saw it elsewhere.
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I may have read where you posted it, but I've also seen it a couple other places including androidcentral.com's forums.

StAlphonso said:
i had a hero too and i was one of those very upset people who waited forever for the 2.1 update....once it got leaked and i tried it i was so disappointed i finally rooted and never looked back...but i feel like sprint and htc took a lot of crap for that and look what happened with the evo....first carrier phone to get 2.2....so i think they may have learned their lesson so im hopeful updates will be quick for the shift
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I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!

tps70 said:
I completely agree! The Eclair update for the Hero was a definite disappointment. I was very apprehensive about rooting (fear of bricking my phone). Once I did it & realized how easy it actually was I kicked my self for not doing it sooner - no more dialer lag!
I hope you're right about HTC and their updates going forward. Maybe the Hero fiasco taught them a valuable lesson - the Evo 2.2 update and subsequent patch (Swype & other software) seems to show they've learned something. If the delay goes on much longer for the Epic users, Samsung may find a lot of people either jumping ship early or just refusing to buy their products in the future.
I know I'll most likely root whatever device I end up with, but I think Samsung's delay with FroYo is my biggest hangup because I don't want to go through it again!
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Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.

I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.

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I have a MacBook and love it. I thought I would like an iPhone but I read stories about the cons of the phone. I feel as if apple heavily censors some apps and deny some really useful apps because maybe they think someone could do something remotely black or grey hattish with it.
A Swiss army knife or leatherman multi tool can be very useful and handy sometimes. You could also use it to cut someone's brake lines or slit their throat. They decide that we aren't responsible enough to have something like that at our disposal. Once again, I digress.
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Digression or not, +1!

kenvan19 said:
Honestly, if you are considering the Epic, don't. Its not worth the money. I bought it at launch and it was the biggest technological mistake I've ever made. I should have gone with my gut and gotten an Evo from the start. If the Epic gets froyo it will be the last update it gets, it will never see gingerbread or anything beyond. They've left the GPS barely functioning for this long and I doubt if they'll ever really care enough to fix it. The upside is you never really have to worry about bricking it because its already a brick.
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I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.

tps70 said:
I appreciate the input... any input I get to help me decide. I still have a couple weeks to hash it out, so I'm researching & taking all opinions into account. Speaking of opinions... my ex-wife had a Moment which she cursed constantly... what did she "upgrade" to? You probably guessed it... the Epic.
I also plan to spend some more "hands on" time at the Sprint store with both phones.
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I do apologize for my harsh opinion. I felt very burned by Sprint and Samsung based on the fact that the sales rep sold me on the epic based on a claim that there would be 4g in my area within 2 months and that the Epic would have 2.2 in less than a month. However, when I came back to have them check out my wife's instinct the same guy told me that the Epic wouldn't be getting FroYo and as you are aware there is no official Froyo for it nor is there 4G in my area. I bought my wife a Shift because I knew she couldn't handle dealing with the Instinct any longer but I bought it off contract so that when hers is up we can leave Sprint and just pay my ETF. If I could get out of Sprint with just paying one ETF I would do it now.