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Memory Upgrade

Hi all,
I've surfed of a company.. PPCTechs in California who upgrades XDA1 RAM from 32 to 64 or even 128MB. Is there a South East Asian counterpart for this? Secondly, currently have a WM2k3 Tmobile ROM, I noticed that it had lots of software loaded up and I think this is taking up much of my precious 32MB memory. What ROM would any of you recommend for me that won't take up much of the memory space but still have the features, it would be preferrable for the OS to be WM2k3. Thanks.

happybabyhippo said:
Hi all,
I've surfed of a company.. PPCTechs in California who upgrades XDA1 RAM from 32 to 64 or even 128MB. Is there a South East Asian counterpart for this? Secondly, currently have a WM2k3 Tmobile ROM, I noticed that it had lots of software loaded up and I think this is taking up much of my precious 32MB memory. What ROM would any of you recommend for me that won't take up much of the memory space but still have the features, it would be preferrable for the OS to be WM2k3. Thanks.
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that extra software is built into the rom, it doesn't take up space in your usable memory.

Thanks... I didn't know that.

and to save even more usable memory, you can go to \windows\startup directory and delete the file named VsBattery.lnk which runs some TMO utilities .

Thanks.... this tip I can use a lot... Last question... is 15MB of free RAM enough to run most programs? Which programs need more? I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM of my XDA1 but it might not be worth it for 100USD to 64MB. TIA!

Try www.runpda.com They specialise in pocket pc memory upgrades and are situated in Taiwan.
Hope that helps

Thanks for the link... I have emailed them since I don't understand Chinese. Has anyone in this forum had their XDA upgraded from there?

happybabyhippo said:
.. is 15MB of free RAM enough to run most programs? Which programs need more?
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I believe this is more than enough to run the largest "well written" PPC application. Unless some stupid developer will try to cache the whole of a database in the RAM to his s/w run faster :shock:
P.S: I assume you mean u have 15 MB of free RAM for both storage and programs.

happybabyhippo said:
Thanks for the link... I have emailed them since I don't understand Chinese. Has anyone in this forum had their XDA upgraded from there?
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Run PDA is a pro PPC upgrade center. Many XDA users in Taiwan upgrade their PPCs over there. Upgrading from 32 M to 64 M costs NT 1200 (about $35). There is an English version of the webpage now.

Biso007 said:
happybabyhippo said:
.. is 15MB of free RAM enough to run most programs? Which programs need more?
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I believe this is more than enough to run the largest "well written" PPC application. Unless some stupid developer will try to cache the whole of a database in the RAM to his s/w run faster :shock:
P.S: I assume you mean u have 15 MB of free RAM for both storage and programs.
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I actually have 15MB free RAM for running programs, while still having 3.5MB for storage. I set the slider to the minimum storage setting since I store everything in my MMC card.

is there a uk upgrader for memory, preferably with a drop in service as i cant be without my phone as it has my sat-nav on it.

erlong said:
Run PDA is a pro PPC upgrade center. Many XDA users in Taiwan upgrade their PPCs over there. Upgrading from 32 M to 64 M costs NT 1200 (about $35). There is an English version of the webpage now.
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is there such a service available in USA?
I never heard of a service like this for only $35!!! :shock:

there is... but in CA. it's called PPCtechs and they upgrade your XDA 1 from 32 to 64 to even 128MB RAM, 64 of which will be treated like a storage card.
The price is greater in the states though, about 100USD for the 64MB mem upgrade and 200USD for the 128MB update.

Bad timing!
markjames1981 said:
Try www.runpda.com They specialise in pocket pc memory upgrades and are situated in Taiwan.
Hope that helps
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Awww, and my aunt just went to Taiwan last week. I could have saved $40 and just sent it with her.
Oh well. Timing is everything. Should read the forums more often.
Shango

htd memory / storage question on my hd2

i have a few questions, why does HTC say the HD2 device has 448 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM but my device has less
ok heres my info form my device...
STORAGE :-
ACTUAL SIZE : 181.60MB
USED : 72.34
FREE : 109.26
TOTAL PROGRAM :-
ACTUAL SIZE : 336.97
USED : 152.59
FREE : 184.38
so my question is why do i only have 336mb of ram and not 448mb wheres the missing 112mb, also why do i have 181mb of flash when im meant to have 512mb ?
thanks you in advance and sorry for the noob questions

while I know for many this is gratingly simple.. I too would like to be de-mystified.. There are a lot of people who have moved to winmo for this device and consequently a lot of people are clueless about the inner workings of the platform.
Your patience, and advice is much appreciated!

weareborg said:
while I know for many this is gratingly simple.. I too would like to be de-mystified.. There are a lot of people who have moved to winmo for this device and consequently a lot of people are clueless about the inner workings of the platform.
Your patience, and advice is much appreciated!
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great post matey, i hope we get the winmo techies on ower side and help us, with this little problem

An answer for you
Nothing to see here...

@grapefruitstudio
emm thank you that explain alot in one post, i understand now,

No worries
No worries mate, loads of this stuff is baffling the first time round. Happy to help

grapefruitstudio said:
No worries mate, loads of this stuff is baffling the first time round. Happy to help
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another question if you don't mind, storage memory is simple it stores my data / installed apps, but what does the program memory do exactly?

I'll get my coat...
DAMIEN123_666 said:
another question if you don't mind, storage memory is simple it stores my data / installed apps, but what does the program memory do exactly?
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Hi Damien,
Well this I decided to look up on the web to get the confirmation for you and it made me realise my last post was, in fact, utter tosh!! Soz
It appears it was not you who was misunderstanding this, It was me. As such I eat humble pie and turn to google....
So to put the record straight this is how it is:
The Program Memory is in fact your RAM. This figure your getting is normal, having done some digging on leo forums, it appears the Leo has some of the advertised 448M RAM dedicated to the GPU. As such you wont see the whole 448MB, however what the hell it's going to do with over 100MB of video memory I don't know.
On the old Windows mobile devices the ROM and RAM used to be the same thing (When old device specs included 'XXMB ROM' both those figures I showed you combined was the ROM size) things have changed!!
So where has the rest of your 512MB of ROM gone?
When your device is flashed with it's operating system that takes up XXMB of your 512MB and the remaining ammount for space (your 181MB) is whats left over from the OS install and any software/reservations HTC have put on.
Again my appologies for the misleading post, I'll make sure I check my stuff before posting...
If your interested in reading up on the whole ROM RAM thing you can check out these:
http://www.pocketpccentral.net/help/ipaq/pmem_explained.htm
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/19/453784.aspx
They are both for WM 5 but persistant storage is the same for 6

wow thansk for the info and the links will read up on them now, great posts

My HD2 is the same. Says 448 MB Ram on hardware info page but 336MB on task manager.. Annoying. So this is normal then?

important favor

hello world
we are the section of htc tattoo and thanks to the application "Android System Info" (free in the market) we found that the total RAM of our device is less than that stated by the manufacturer.
would like to know if this happens to you (maybe android consumes a fixed portion of RAM) or whether it was a scam.
thanks!
this is the link of the question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624738

Internal memory : 165.75 Free 115
Ram : 191 Free 85
Hope this helps

yes, the OS consumes an amount of ram which is not user accessible and therefore does not get reported.
this is normal for most phones. windows mobile does exactly the same thing.

adamg89 said:
Internal memory : 165.75 Free 115
Ram : 191 Free 85
Hope this helps
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rhedgehog said:
yes, the OS consumes an amount of ram which is not user accessible and therefore does not get reported.
this is normal for most phones. windows mobile does exactly the same thing.
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Very very thx!!!
your help was usefull
problem solved
grazie

Use 576MB in Android on HD2

HD2 has internally 576MB RAM, with some WM ROMs is possible unlock all of them. Is possible the same with Android? For example by edit startup.txt?

576MB apples ?

dcordes said:
576MB apples ?
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he probably means ram

dcordes said:
576MB apples ?
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Lol..someone should have used Google Translate. If he says it has 576mb internally, then I think he means storage, right? I'm not sure, so I'm most likely wrong.

jasonlefever said:
Lol..someone should have used Google Translate. If he says it has 576mb internally, then I think he means storage, right? I'm not sure, so I'm most likely wrong.
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lol, but he says unlocked and 576 and the only thing that was unlocked to 576 was ram

yeah its possible.
if you flash a .50 radio, the full 576mb ram is enabled.
DN41

people... you are missing the point here.
he meant to enable more ram inside android. just like windows mobile.with radio 50 and custom roms we enable the 576 MB RAM in our HD2 while running Windows Mobile.
but the big question is: could it be done inside androids running in HD2?
and even if it's not possible to enable that much of ram. is it possible to get the highest amount of ram. because more people (including me) are using android in day to day usage.
developers, please advice advice.
thanks.

what about for those of us who use the 1 gig snapdragon?

johnnyboyya said:
what about for those of us who use the 1 gig snapdragon?
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android is already utilizing the 1 ghz processor.

wait until its possible to flash android on the NAND...if thats not possible, i'm pretty sure, you can never use the "full" ram...
but why should someone use it? i think its never full on android, even when you havent got the full ram enabled.
DN41

DN41 said:
wait until its possible to flash android on the NAND...if thats not possible, i'm pretty sure, you can never use the "full" ram...
but why should someone use it? i think its never full on android, even when you havent got the full ram enabled.
DN41
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we do realize its not possible to use all of the 576 mb ram. because the "system" will use part of it to run it self. but the point is to have more ram anyway.
because now when we boot into android we only get 256 mb . half of this is used by android .and when we use the browser or watch youtube it gets really low "like 25 mb only available:.

currently we dont have access to all 576mb of RAM when using android.
I suppose we will get it at some point but this will need to be written into the kernel (at a guess)

Thanks David, very much. First really valuable reply! But I hoped in other reply :-(

so would a new zimage possibly fix this or is a new rom the only way to fix the button sized amount of ram cyanogen is giving me?

Lol, are you actually reading this forum guys?
I've just read one and a half pages of nonsense except David, whose info was some way of valuable.
At the moment, there isn't a full ram map written into the zimage (kernel), neither the start parameters adress the full range of 576MB. For some reasons I'm not aware of all tries to remap and enable the full memory failed so far (there are a bunch of topics out there).

Jealousy said:
Lol, are you actually reading this forum guys?
I've just read one and a half pages of nonsense except David, whose info was some way of valuable.
At the moment, there isn't a full ram map written into the zimage (kernel), neither the start parameters adress the full range of 576MB. For some reasons I'm not aware of all tries to remap and enable the full memory failed so far (there are a bunch of topics out there).
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yeah i read the forum dude, and i asked a question about zimage or rom. simples.

hewlett777 said:
yeah i read the forum dude, and i asked a question about zimage or rom. simples.
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if you look at the zImage autobuilds, you can see that they've been able to SLIGHTLY increase the ram usage, but until it's running by itself(i.e. boot straight into android, no winmo at all) I doubt they'd be able to use the full amount.
So, it's all in the zImage. Roms can't change this.

It is possible....
ATomCZ said:
Thanks David, very much. First really valuable reply! But I hoped in other reply :-(
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Yes it is possible, in fact I tested a new kernel (zImage) last night that makes 384 MB available (compared to 256 MB right now). It boots unbelievably quick (like less than 15 seconds!) and the phone runs much smoother, really amazingly quick. When I boot up Android with only 256 MB of RAM allocated to it, I have a maximum of 120 MB free (usually less like 115, 110 or less).
With 384 MB allocated i had about 250 MB free, much better. Last night's kernel had some issues left (wifi not working, issues waking up).
Apparently it's been fixed already so we should have a new kernel available today.
Cotulla on his end is working on getting the 512 MB kernel working and he's close apparently. I think the remaining memory (the remaining 64 MB) will be used for the system or for the 3D buffer..... Not sure though...
Also your current Android build will work fine, all you'll have to do is replace the zImage and edit the startup.txt (to change the memory allocation values) and that's it. It might get a little bit more complex (like maybe replacing the wifi module) but all in all with proper instructions you should be able to do it in a few minutes.
Well let's wait and see... But 384 MB available already makes a huge difference so that's great news...
Hope this helps....
PS: I am amazed at the number of useless posts in response to your question.....

Jealousy said:
Lol, are you actually reading this forum guys?
I've just read one and a half pages of nonsense except David, whose info was some way of valuable.
At the moment, there isn't a full ram map written into the zimage (kernel), neither the start parameters adress the full range of 576MB. For some reasons I'm not aware of all tries to remap and enable the full memory failed so far (there are a bunch of topics out there).
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Is their an HD2 forum or Community page or maybe even an IRC room with a more knowledgeable or atleast selective userbase? The devs are incredibly intelligent, but the amount of know nothings makes filtering out the noise headache inducing. Seems XDA is getting too big for its own good.

boba23 said:
#htc-linux on freenode. Open for everyone. I listened in this afternoon, while cotulla was talking about 515mb kernel e.g.
boba
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I'll head there now, Thanks!

Memory questions

Hi Android system info has the following data:
Internal: 590MB
SDCard: 2043MB
RAM: MAX:353MB
Here in Greece they use to lock part of the RAM of some devices
Whats your total RAM?
should i be worried?

Same question here , i hope its normal.

its normal and i have the same figure in Elixir..
its said that part of the 512M RAM has been reserved for the GPU unit as our CPU MSM7230 is integrated with display unit (Adreno 205)..
from a chinese forum someone claimed this reserved part as 128M, though i had no proof of this claim from any other source..
and theres also a small portion of RAM (remaining 32M) used for internal system (also quoted from the same guy mentioned above)

can you tell me of a nice startup manager so that i can prevent applications from starting as my mobile restarts?

akaloith said:
can you tell me of a nice startup manager so that i can prevent applications from starting as my mobile restarts?
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Android Assistant

iamelton said:
its normal and i have the same figure in Elixir..
its said that part of the 512M RAM has been reserved for the GPU unit as our CPU MSM7230 is integrated with display unit (Adreno 205)..
from a chinese forum someone claimed this reserved part as 128M, though i had no proof of this claim from any other source..
and theres also a small portion of RAM (remaining 32M) used for internal system (also quoted from the same guy mentioned above)
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you have mentioned an Chinese forum,Could you tell me that one thanks

after1988 said:
you have mentioned an Chinese forum,Could you tell me that one thanks
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http://bbs.hiapk.com/forum-371-1.html

iamelton said:
http://bbs.hiapk.com/forum-371-1.html
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I think he means the link to that claiming post. o

im afraid i have not bookmarked that particular post, if thats what after1988 meant..

akaloith said:
Hi Android system info has the following data:
Internal: 590MB
SDCard: 2043MB
RAM: MAX:353MB
Here in Greece they use to lock part of the RAM of some devices
Whats your total RAM?
should i be worried?
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In your packet do you had 2gb SDcard?? I'm from greece too and i didn't had!
Yes the amount of ram i think it's a little bit small, i though it was 512 clearly for user!

BiZARRe_T said:
In your packet do you had 2gb SDcard?? I'm from greece too and i didn't had!
Yes the amount of ram i think it's a little bit small, i though it was 512 clearly for user!
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My packet didnt have 2gb micro sd and im from greece too.

BiZARRe_T said:
In your packet do you had 2gb SDcard?? I'm from greece too and i didn't had!
Yes the amount of ram i think it's a little bit small, i though it was 512 clearly for user!
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the 2G internal storage is visible only when there is no external SD card inserted..
dont ask me why.. its how huawei decided things should work..

iamelton said:
the 2G internal storage is visible only when there is no external SD card inserted..
dont ask me why.. its how huawei decided things should work..
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It is mounted as /HWUserData if an external SD is mounted.

Yes, but what can you use it for?
Camera stores pictures to sd and you can't change it. Most of programs use only sd or internal. What about music, is stock player able to find files from hwuserdata?
And of course we can't install apps to there either.
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jukkus said:
Yes, but what can you use it for?
Camera stores pictures to sd and you can't change it. Most of programs use only sd or internal. What about music, is stock player able to find files from hwuserdata?
And of course we can't install apps to there either.
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apart from acting as file storage, i cant think of any other use..

iamelton said:
apart from acting as file storage, i cant think of any other use..
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Yes. I put my rmaps map data there

Link2sd?
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