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I just ventured into the PDA world with a Sprint Mogul and it's been nothing but disappointing so far. I have been on the phone with Sprint and HTC practically everyday. Can anyone shed any light on these issues??
- Memory, says roughly 49 MB of which over half is taken when no apps are opened.
- Tremendous problems accessing mobile websites, such as my bank, which has a mobile site (I can see it, just can't get into it... well twice I did, then error messages).
- The phone seems to drop my e-mail services for no apparent reason... e-mail works, then all the sudden, asks for my user names and passwords, which when I enter, says it's wrong. Reboot the phone, and back in business.
- It will not download and use many of the sites/programs made for mobile (gmail, AOL instant messaging, youtube - gotta do something sitting in airports).
- Screen useless in sunlight.
- Locks up constantly. If you are performing a function, and something else kicks in (text message, e-mail, phone call, etc) everything locks up, and you have to reboot.
- Locks up constantly. (see above)
- Locks up constantly. (you get the point)
- I have to reboot roughly 6-7 times per day.
- If performing a function, and something else kicks in (phone call, message, etc.)--and it does not lock up completely--the current function is blown out and you have to start over.
- If using Sprint Navigation, basically everything else is is unusable.
- Battery life is somewhat poor. And it appears re-charging in the car is much slower than from AC electric at home.
- Because I do not use Microsoft Outlook (Notes user here), the sync is not possible, since everything Windows Mobile is via Outlook. I found a nifty, free back up program for the phone and back it up to the memory card daily. That works, but I can't "sync."
- The HTC Tilt from AT&T (basically the same as Mogul) has 100 MB of RAM, while the Mogul shows less. Any ideas why?
I love the phone and love the concept, but really feel that it cannot perform as HTC and Sprint say it should. Don't know if it's conflicting software, or RAM, or what, but the overall performance is very substandard for this type of phone.
I only have a few days to return it for a service cancellation or a swap, so not real sure what to do. I am very disappointed, because if it could infact perform, then it would be the answer to my PDA needs. Anyone else having similar issues?
sorry
I'm in no way a power user, i just like to **** around with my phone. However i don't experience most of your problems, however i will address some of the issue you presented us with
First of i would suggest running a cooked rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385336 this is for dcd 3.0.4 its what i run), however if you don't want to for what ever reason then:
as for your first point (and last point) of memory we all know that it blows on the mogul and the tilt is a newer phone that is why i think that the tilt has more memory
The internet, i personally use pie normally, and i have been able to do banking and such with pie. however pie plus, opera and whenever skyfire comes out (demo video here http://www.skyfire.com/product/index/demo08) are some good alternatives
The email issue i don't know what to tell you, i have two gmail accounts set up on my phone, and one for my school email phone and they always work for me. There is a setting to have your phone remember your password, so maybe that will help
As for things to do in an airport, it is possible to watch youtube vids (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=343397), gmail i already talked about, and if you know the right .coms you will find aim (i use it all the time)
The screen is kinda bad, however with the brightness setting on one of the higher settings i can you my mogul in direct sunlight (true it's kind of a pain but doable)
Your lock up issue, i don't know what to tell you. Mine never locks up. I have my mogul on pretty much twenty for seven and like once or twice a week i reboot, but i don't have a lock up problem.
i found a program that will back up your contacts and such, i haven't used it and can't find the thread about it, but it was on this forum and people really seemed to like it.
sorry that you are having problems with your mogul, i think the mogul is a very good phone and i really like mine. Any issues that you have with your phone is already solved somewhere in this forum (thats how it was for me)
sean
mark33139 said:
I just ventured into the PDA world with a Sprint Mogul and it's been nothing but disappointing so far. I have been on the phone with Sprint and HTC practically everyday. Can anyone shed any light on these issues??
- Memory, says roughly 49 MB of which over half is taken when no apps are opened.
- Tremendous problems accessing mobile websites, such as my bank, which has a mobile site (I can see it, just can't get into it... well twice I did, then error messages).
- The phone seems to drop my e-mail services for no apparent reason... e-mail works, then all the sudden, asks for my user names and passwords, which when I enter, says it's wrong. Reboot the phone, and back in business.
- It will not download and use many of the sites/programs made for mobile (gmail, AOL instant messaging, youtube - gotta do something sitting in airports).
- Screen useless in sunlight.
- Locks up constantly. If you are performing a function, and something else kicks in (text message, e-mail, phone call, etc) everything locks up, and you have to reboot.
- Locks up constantly. (see above)
- Locks up constantly. (you get the point)
- I have to reboot roughly 6-7 times per day.
- If performing a function, and something else kicks in (phone call, message, etc.)--and it does not lock up completely--the current function is blown out and you have to start over.
- If using Sprint Navigation, basically everything else is is unusable.
- Battery life is somewhat poor. And it appears re-charging in the car is much slower than from AC electric at home.
- Because I do not use Microsoft Outlook (Notes user here), the sync is not possible, since everything Windows Mobile is via Outlook. I found a nifty, free back up program for the phone and back it up to the memory card daily. That works, but I can't "sync."
- The HTC Tilt from AT&T (basically the same as Mogul) has 100 MB of RAM, while the Mogul shows less. Any ideas why?
I love the phone and love the concept, but really feel that it cannot perform as HTC and Sprint say it should. Don't know if it's conflicting software, or RAM, or what, but the overall performance is very substandard for this type of phone.
I only have a few days to return it for a service cancellation or a swap, so not real sure what to do. I am very disappointed, because if it could infact perform, then it would be the answer to my PDA needs. Anyone else having similar issues?
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The moguls only has 64MB of RAM, of which some is required for the OS and various other functions. 24MB free is at bootup is a pretty good number for this phone -- and achievable.
Mobile websites don't seem to be a problem for me, maybe it is the version of PIE that you're running, are you using the stock ROM?
E-mail... never had that problem, maybe something is going wrong with your actual servers?
Turn the brightness completely to maximum in sunlight and it will be usable, just not perfect. You need something like SPB Mobile Shell to be able to access the backlight brightness quickly.
Install dcd's 3.0.4 to address the lockup issues.
Use TomTom, iGuidance, Google Maps, or some other navigation. You have to pay for Sprint Navigator monthly anyway.
Get mail2web free pushmail and sync to their online exchange. It's much more convenient that way anyway.
The Mogul is a generation 3 device while the Tilt is a generation 4 device. The comparison is like trying to put the 1993 BMW M3 against the 2008 Mercedes Benz S-Class four door saloon. There is no comparison! You'll have to wait until CDMA carriers have generation 4 or 5 devices and by then GSM providers will probably have generation 5 or 6 devices. Vicious cycle...
Goodluck!
best thing you can do is just sit at your pc and read read read, and when your done read some more.
the people in here are truly good people and will help you with your questions and youll get it goin just how you want it. just takes alot of hard work to even half way figure this thing out. to me the mogul is the best phone out there and this site is the best one out there as well.
mark33139 said:
I just ventured into the PDA world with a Sprint Mogul and it's been nothing but disappointing so far. I have been on the phone with Sprint and HTC practically everyday. Can anyone shed any light on these issues??
- Memory, says roughly 49 MB of which over half is taken when no apps are opened.
- Tremendous problems accessing mobile websites, such as my bank, which has a mobile site (I can see it, just can't get into it... well twice I did, then error messages).
- The phone seems to drop my e-mail services for no apparent reason... e-mail works, then all the sudden, asks for my user names and passwords, which when I enter, says it's wrong. Reboot the phone, and back in business.
- It will not download and use many of the sites/programs made for mobile (gmail, AOL instant messaging, youtube - gotta do something sitting in airports).
- Screen useless in sunlight.
- Locks up constantly. If you are performing a function, and something else kicks in (text message, e-mail, phone call, etc) everything locks up, and you have to reboot.
- Locks up constantly. (see above)
- Locks up constantly. (you get the point)
- I have to reboot roughly 6-7 times per day.
- If performing a function, and something else kicks in (phone call, message, etc.)--and it does not lock up completely--the current function is blown out and you have to start over.
- If using Sprint Navigation, basically everything else is is unusable.
- Battery life is somewhat poor. And it appears re-charging in the car is much slower than from AC electric at home.
- Because I do not use Microsoft Outlook (Notes user here), the sync is not possible, since everything Windows Mobile is via Outlook. I found a nifty, free back up program for the phone and back it up to the memory card daily. That works, but I can't "sync."
- The HTC Tilt from AT&T (basically the same as Mogul) has 100 MB of RAM, while the Mogul shows less. Any ideas why?
I love the phone and love the concept, but really feel that it cannot perform as HTC and Sprint say it should. Don't know if it's conflicting software, or RAM, or what, but the overall performance is very substandard for this type of phone.
I only have a few days to return it for a service cancellation or a swap, so not real sure what to do. I am very disappointed, because if it could infact perform, then it would be the answer to my PDA needs. Anyone else having similar issues?
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WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF WINDOWS MOBILE!
First things first. Read the upgrade forum for instructions on how to ditch the BS ROM that Sprint ships with your phone. Get on DCD's rom. Its screaming fast and doesnt lock up.
As far as your problems accessing websites and downloading things, 99% of your problems can probably be attributed to internet explorer mobile. Ditch that piece of crap. Get opera. Its worth the money or try to find some place to download the new opera 9.5 beta. There should be some cabs somewhere around here...
As far as your navigation slowing down your phone, again its attributed to Sprints crapware ROM that slows down your phone. Get on DCD's.
Make sure your screen brightness is turned all the way up. It could help you see. WinMo auto adjusts this setting sometimes depending on certain conditions. Always check first.
And as far as syncing? Are you just talking about your contacts? ActiveSync (on XP) and Mobile Device Center (Vista) will sync pics and vids and everything without Outlook installed. Or do what I do and get Outlook and just use it for your contacts. you dont have to use it for email.
If you have any other questions ask, we would love to help you love your Titan
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If you have any other questions ask, we would love to help you love your Titan
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Yes! I think this sums it up. If you find a user who maybe complained about their phone as their first posts before coming here, then search their user name in the search feature, you will find they changed their tune almost every time. Do like they said and read, read, read, and we will help you love your titan
Mills00013 said:
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF WINDOWS MOBILE!
Get opera. Its worth the money or try to find some place to download the new opera 9.5 beta. There should be some cabs somewhere around here...
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Are you sure this is correct? Opera mini is at 4.1 beta, right? Opera full for windows is 9.5. Please correct me so I don't look for hours.
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Are you sure this is correct? Opera mini is at 4.1 beta, right? Opera full for windows is 9.5. Please correct me so I don't look for hours.
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opera has two flavors for windows mobile, opera mobile which is at 9.whatever, and opera mini, which is at 4.1 beta.
opera mini is the best browser ive used so far on the mogul. i am a beta tester for skyfire, and while the video,java,flash, and sound support is pretty sweet, it doesnt feel refined for a mobile device like opera mini does. i like putting my web pages in mobile mode and scrolling a page at a time by using the directional pad. if skyfire could do this, then it would be my fulltime browser. until then, ill only use it when i want to see flash,java,video,etc...forgot to mention skyfire eats RAM like a slot machine eats my hard earned wages
YMMV though
kmart is right, two different versions. opera mobile is a software that you have to pay for as opposed to opera mini. opera mini is mostly designed to work on java based handheld phones (like razrs) but it works well on ours. The current version of opera that you download off of their site for windows mobile is 8.65, and its good but its a big piece of software and sometimes can eat a lot of ram for our tiny titans. check out this link, i uploaded a mirror on my site of the beta for you.
@kmart, i just got my skyfire invite two days ago. its definitely cool, but still needs some work. I love how fast it is but to be completely honest, i had no idea before i downloaded it that it used server side rendering. It loads everything i ask it to pretty perfect. I am happy with that for sure.
found one thing skyfire wont load though. speedtest sites. No matter which one, or if i have searched for it or typed it manually, it refuses to load a speedtest site. strange, huh?
flash
flash
flash
and watch your problems disappear
agreed, the one thing worse than a stock winmo rom from a carrier is the stock windows operating system on your computer. effing norton....
Also, while MS does push outlook (and this is the first Windows Mobile/Pocket PC I've ever seen that doesn't come with a full version of Outlook on the disc... What's up with that?!), its not the ONLY way to sync.
You could get a free exchange server with mail2web which would sync all your stuff over the air to their server in real-time. It may use data (I'm assuming you have unlimited data) and add a little drain to your battery, but you never have to back anything up manually (constantly in sync) and you can access your information by going to live.mail2web.com from any PC browser, and anything you enter will be pushed immediately to your phone.
Problem with this method is that its web-based, so its not was smooth to use and enter info as a localized application (plus you're relying on having a net connection).
There are some open source and free outlook alternatives, such as EMClient ( http://www.emclient.com/screenshots/ ) which claims it will support direct sync with activsync like outlook does in the new version due out soon.
There's also funambol, which like exchange above, uses over the air sync routines so you don't need wires or even be near your PC. Advantage to this is that its fully customizable and can be synced with almost any desktop client since it uses an open source platform and based on the standard SyncML (from linux) protocols.
They have a free server at my.funambol.com you can use, or you can host your own to do some fancy configuring.
As far as locking up... Look, this is a powerful OS, and I've seen far too many people get into it without knowing what they're doing, and be instantly turned away (later going with something simpler and more spoon-fed, like palm or the iPhone). If you don't want to take the time to learn how to use it to its potential, this device is not for you.
If you do have the patience, you'll wonder why you ever considered anything else. Just for reference: I go for weeks without a reboot required, and my battery can last almost 2 full days of moderate use, using a live over-the-air sync (currently on funambol).
I have to second the notion of those that say to upgrade to DCD's 3.04
Been running that for a week now and it really is much more stable than even the stock roms!
As for the memory issues people need to remember that the memory use is dependent on what the device is doing...
You could have very few apps running in the background yet still wind up with very little memory if you have a lot of graphically intensive programs running. Hell you will eat up as much ram running a small launcher with 10 icons as you will by running any full program!
Every thing you see displayed on your screen eats up program memory.
Every today plug you run does too...
Background services like the GPS chip will eat up ram as well even if you have it shut off!
So you really have to be thrifty with what you have run by default and load things as you need them instead.
I also find it useful to reset the phone once in the morning to start off fresh each day.
Asphyx said:
I also find it useful to reset the phone once in the morning to start off fresh each day.
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Amen to that. Amen.
can't stress enough how much better your winmo experience will be if you shut it down once in a while. And check your task manager too. you might be running a lot more apps than you are expecting.
Eh, that shouldn't be required.
Unfortunately, Windows Mobile cache files don't always let go of the memory when u need it most, and this effect varies from rom to rom.
DCD and no2chem's are both better at this than the stock rom.
But either way, if you run a tight ship, properly closing apps and running a strategically placed hibernate command every now and then, you should be able to go for weeks without needing a reboot.
Personally, I end up rebooting a couple of times a week, but not on purpose.
Usually because I actually have to turn the phone for a moment to either save battery or going someplace they don't allow phones. I rarely reboot "just because" anymore.
im running quite a bit of software full time on my titan and sometimes that software crashed (read: wisbar and wisbar desktop). this forces me to restart. but you are right, on my base config (running a custom compiled version of DCD's 3.0.4 currently) i never have to really restart. Windows mobile is great, if you just give it some RAM breathing room and dont turn the processor into a puddle of mush inside your phone trying to play crysis... it just doesnt work well...
IF the unit had the 128 ram the unit would avoid most of the problems people have with it...
WM has always been a system that you had to stay on top of the Ram. But that has always been because Ram was so limited...
Using HTC X Button set to close apps on X Press greatly decreases the problem of running low on memory.
Using the DCD ROM and the PPCG Kitchen, I was able to find a setup thats leaves plenty of RAM available.
The key was not to install too many Apps that need to run in the background on boot.
SPB Phone suite took the place of about 4 or 5 different apps so I could leave them out of the ROM.
I have found however that some graphic and data intensive apps work better if you do a reset first...GarminXT comes to mind.
If the unit had 128 Megs of Ram it wouldn't be an issue...
I also save a lot of problems by having an 8Gb SDHD card to install all the apps that don't require installation on the device...
my phone pissess me off from time to time but I am a power user. I use my phone for navigation, mp3, watching tv (slingbox, not that bootleg sprint tv), and your standard features. Everything is installed on my 8 gb memory card to avoid any weakness in memory, yet my phone freezes from time to time, screen doesnt work (rarely) and i get memory low messages when attempting to do certain things. Its the only phone that really fits my needs and i'm kind of overloading it with applications but as a power user, these are the issues I face. Some of your issues...seems like phone may not be setup properly? I would take it to a sprint store, let them look at it. Much easier to deal with someone face to face rather than over the phone.
That was a helluva 1st post. Welcome to the board.
Like others have said, use a custom rom; it's much cleaner. The stock rom out of box probably needs a few things added to make it stable. I've used the stock rom just fine (don't prefer to, but it works).
Sounds to me like a you may be doing a poor job managing your program memory. Simple things like the X-Button, help a lot.
What is your general experience regarding stability with the T-Mobile hd2?
Mine so far has been lack luster. I love the phone, I just wish it was actually stable. My experience thus far has been-
Hangs at lock screen about 2-3 times per day
Texting occasionally lags heavily..
Music app has frozen once
1-2 times per day won't respond after returning lock mode, requires reset.
All the problems I have can be resolved by turning it off and on. So far, I've found myself resetting the phone 4-5 times per day. Anyone having the same experience? Any tips? It's been frustrating. Such an awesome phone, but sometimes it just locks up for no reason and I can't even make a phone call.
akollgaard said:
What is your general experience regarding stability with the T-Mobile hd2?
Mine so far has been lack luster. I love the phone, I just wish it was actually stable. My experience thus far has been-
Hangs at lock screen about 2-3 times per day
Texting occasionally lags heavily..
Music app has frozen once
1-2 times per day won't respond after returning lock mode, requires reset.
All the problems I have can be resolved by turning it off and on. So far, I've found myself resetting the phone 4-5 times per day. Anyone having the same experience? Any tips? It's been frustrating. Such an awesome phone, but sometimes it just locks up for no reason and I can't even make a phone call.
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I've found it pretty stable. I have no problems... just as stable, if not more, than any of my previous WM devices. It'll lock up occasionally when I'm experiment with certain apps or settings, but never on normal usage.
Before I flashed to a custom ROM I had all kinds of problems with the phone. It was laggy and was almost unusable. After flashing to a custom ROM all those problems went away. Now I haven't had any problems with the phone and it is very stable now. I would recommend you flashing to a custom ROM if you haven't done so already.
Coming from an HD, I have been using custom ROMs for over a year. However, I haven't yet flashed a custom ROM on my HD2 simply because I have yet to find any problem with the stock ROM (mainly since it's completely up to date and the cooks are using it as their base). So far, I've had only one...maybe two freezes. I'll definitely start flashing custom ROMs once there's an update to manila, but till then, I'll prolly stick with this one (or until i get bored).
(Also, I am a very heavy user, so I'm pleased with just one freeze a week.)
Using stock rom, occasionally using Task Manager to kill something that's sucking CPU, but otherwise very stable. Only hit sleep-of-death twice so far, and rebooted only couple times to fix extreme lag from something unkillable and hidden.
Using my own 8GB SDHC class 6 (instead of crappy 16GB class 2) to cut down battery drain, and using only external GPS. Lots of registry tweaks to turn on power-management, and using BsB Tweaks.
Besides Opera 10 constantly screwing up virtual, runs mostly fine with Garmin Mobile XT, Google Maps, iGo8, Navizon (wow!).
No Problems, What a fine piece of Hardware.
Hello Everyone,
I got my T-Mobile USA HTC HD2 on March 20th,2010 from Walmart 4 days before T-Mobile started sales.
Since I got it, it has been in use 24 hours a day,7 days a week.
Changes I made:
Removed all demo games.
Removed all demo music.
Removed all demo photographs.
Removed all Demo Software.
Removed Google Maps to update.
Got Unlock Code from T-Mobile
Made a few registry changes from this list Here
Installed onto device:
Skype
Google Maps 4.0.0 (#81)
Updated Microsoft My Phone
ICQ
PHM Registry Editor
HTC Wi-Fi Router
Installed on microSDHC Card:
8gb of .wma (lossless) music.
Have the camera store pictures on card.
Bluetooth Stereo Headset:
Sony Ericsson MW600. ( See link in signature )
Rom
I am using the stock shipping T-Mobile USA Rom
2.10.531.1 (82076) WWE
Stability
Not once, I had to do a reset. (hard reset or soft reset)
Not once, I had any lag in messaging application. (sms or mms)
Not once, I had any lag in the music player.
Not once, I had any problems returning to operation from lock status.(Just slide the lock,poof, back to work)
Not once, I had any problems using the Wi-Fi router as a source of connectivity for my notebook.
Not once, I had any problems with weather location and stating where I am.(pretty cool and accurate)
Not once, I had any type of freezing.
Typical Daily Usage, all running at the same time:
Running Skype.
Running ICQ.
Running Yahoo Messenger.
Running Google Maps.
Sending sms / mms. ( about 50-75 a day)
Listening to music.(On MW600 which controls tracks,play/pause,displays track info)
Answering Telephone calls and placing Telephone calls.(usually on MW600)
Surfing and researching topics on the Internet. ( Sometime IE, Sometimes Opera)
Use Microsoft Office ( mostly excel)
Check and update my Facebook Page.
Things I do:
Once finished for the day, I clear message history and clear deleted items.(sms and mms)
Once finished for the day, I clear the call history.
Once finished for the day, I clear Cookies,History,Cache,Temporary Internet Files in IE and Opera.
In Skype,Yahoo,ICQ, I clear conversations once finished.
I keep the Task Manager, Managed !! Once finished with an application, I make sure to shut it down.
Conclusion:
Completely Stable.
A multi-tasking workhorse.
Quick and fast,responsive,no lag or pauses.
A fine piece of electronic harware.
Impressive Sound Quality.
I am 100% impressed and 100% happy with my device.
Thank you,
Monnie
HD2
Hello all,
I have had great stability out of this phone thus far. Only problem I had was a cab that I installed gummed things up for a while, uninstalled it and soft reset and all was good again.
Like any phone, if your going to tweak it or install cabs, do one at a time. Then test the results. See how it effects your phone.
Most of the complaints you hear are unfortunately from people that really don't know what their doing or dont do the research before doing stuff and just dive in installing everything they can get there hands on, and then the end up complaining in the end, giving a phone a bad rap.
Just my 2 "Sense".
fhaines
I've googled this problem an no one else seems to have it. I'm presently running the stock T-Mobile HD2 ROM (2.10.531.1) and have downloaded the Bing application directly from the Windows Marketplace. When I'm using Bing for navigation it sometimes crashes (rarely) but mostly just shuts down (always). I immediately go in to task manager and see that Bing has shut off completely for no apparent reason. I don't really want to flash a new ROM right now because I misplaced my unlock code and am still stuck with at&t. I suspect it may be a problem with the ROM, but really have no idea what's causing the problem. No other programs display this behavior and I have no problems whatsoever with the phone or OS. Any insight into this problem anyone? Thanks in advance.
I'm on a stock 2.13 ROM and Bing does crash/close on me occasionally. It's inconvenient when it does, because you have to start it up, choose your last destination, etc.
Try uninstalling the app and then reinstalling it again.
@p_synthesis
Thanks for the response. I have uninstalled and reinstalled the application a few times through a Bing cab that was floating at XDA and have also done the same with the Bing app directly from the marketplace and I get the same problems. I have also installed on the storage card and on the internal memory, and still the same problem. Well at least I know I'm not the only one with the problem. This is a fairly major problem as it causes a major inconvenience when using the navigation.
Yeah, mine is doing the same thing, HD2 is stock except for cookies. Although, strangely I was using the navigation today for couple of hours and it didn't crash once. Sometimes seems to get hung up when losing signal momentarily at the same time it needs to do a reroute, although in that instance the app locks up but doesn't disappear. I've only had bing navigation for a few days but as long as doesn't crash too often, and Microsoft puts a little more time into this app to polish it up a little it will be something handy to have. Things they can add to Bing I would like would be to display the current speed with the posted speed limit, options on font sizes, and API to allow other meta data to be displayed if available (speed traps etc). However, I think when Google gets around to adding navi to the WM platform they will have the product to beat. I have a Garmin Nuvi now which I pretty much utterly despise hence I will be using my HD2 for navigation for the time being using Bing. I definitely need to get a adapter for car use though as the HD2 really sucks down the power, even more when the GPS is active.
Problems with Bing turn by turn with voice navigation.
Don't feel bad. Bing has died on me regularly while using voice turn by turn directions on both the stock rom and on elegencia......my theory is it's getting to areas of no net signal, panics and the program exits...would seem to me the stupid program could cache the whole trips from the beginning or at least give a friggin beep when it's gonna die and offer to "resume" from where it left off on restart. Sometimes I give up and just have it print me the directions....been eyeing google maps more and more.
Bing shuts down on HD2.
Thanks for your replies gentlemen. Thing is I never had this problem on my HTC Touch Pro. I was running an NRG WM 6.5 ROM on that Touch Pro and never encountered one single problem with Bing, whether it was a 5 min route or 200+ road trip. I find it amazing that such a popular/useful app on the Windows Marketplace is so glitchy with such an important and popular device. BTW I too have Cookies Home Tab, but I shut down Sense and run SPB Mobile Shell and still have problems with Bing. I will flash to an NRG ROM in two weeks, and will report then.
i have been having the same problem on my tilt 2. the only time i have been able to get it to work is when i have a stock rom or close to stock. if its a rom that can recognize my phone as a tilt 2 bing navigation always works great. i can never get it to work on energy roms : ( m.bing.com wont even load right on energy roms cause the site cant tell what phone im using. drives me crazy cause i love the energy roms but i really want to use bing!
I have been having the same problem as well. Closes after about 10-30 seconds of navigation. Stock rom with tmobile HD2.
Uninstalling and reinstalling bing fixed it for a day, now nothing I can do fixes it.
Been using waze as a secondary, but I would love to find a fix for this.
Bing gets update, maybe fixes crashes?
I just installed the latest version of Bing which can be found at this link (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-cadd-4c37-b3a6-14b7d72626f0&displayLang=en). I haven't had a chance to test the navigation because I'm at the office, but everything else runs very smooth even after toying around with it for about 5 minutes (previous version stalled or shut down on my HD2).
I've only been using the latest version for a very short time, but so far it seems to be much better. I used to get a crash basically every time I used the turn by turn. I was using it quite a bit today, and not one crash. Hopefully that will continue. I'd definitely recommend updating to the latest version if you haven't already. Can't find anything new in the latest version though. Anyone find a change log?
Peace
Dan
Crashes on latest Bing update
Hate to report that on my way back from home Bing crashed during navigation on the latest update. It was fine for about 15 minutes, then the screen froze and I couldn't exit the application. I had to perform a soft reset. This is really frustrating and only reinforces my hatred towards Microsoft for releasing such buggy ****.
I've noticed this too, however, for me it seems to only happen when the phone becomes hot. As soon as the phone cools down it works fine for me. If you have AC in your car hold it in front of the air vent for about 30 seconds and soft reset and it will work fine. As long as it is kept cool it wont shut down.
Also try using navigation without plugging the phone into a car charger as it seems to generate a lot of internal heat while charging. Besides you should get 2-3 hours of navigation if you start with a full charge and that should be more then adequate for most trips.
I don't know why it shuts down automatically but this seems to work for me
Alternatives.
I haven't tested extensively but the Dutty N4S Legacy HD2 ROMS seem very stable with Bing. Here's the link (http://htcpedia.com/htc_dutty_legacy/reviews/rom-builds.html). Or you can try an Android build and use Google Maps navigation, also extremely stable and a pleasure to use and explore. Here's the link (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=787189).
I have the same problems with both bing and google map, the phone reboot itself after about 10-15 minutes of navigation, I have latest stock ROM with original SPL, OS: 5.2.21913, Radio 2.15.50.14. I have no additional application installed.
I believe this hardware issue since i know many people has the same annoying problem.
HD2, T-Mobile, USA
I have been out of the scenery for a while. Is the Android development completed that is 100% working on the HD2?
I didnt want to install something that was not totally developed.
Is it running now?
although my phone is working just fine with Winmo.
Are you serious?
Did you even read before coming back into the 'scene'??
As of 29 August it is daily usable with these missing features/problems:
- No internal memory (NAND) boot yet.
- Auto Backlight (light sensor) is not working. (But fix is posted in git)
- There are frequent touchscreen freezes if phone is moving and autorotate is NOT disabled.
- Battery calibration might be problematic.
- PPP data is not stably working for everyone. (RMNET data is also slow beucase of mtu workaround)
- Some people still complain about some BT devices.
- Wifi hotspot not working yet. (It is made but not yet posted)
- USB tethering works with rmnet but not with ppp yet.
- Call volume/speakerphone volume may be lower than optimal.
- clrcad.exe in winmo is still required for sound in android.
- Background audio may affect call audio.
- Compass is off.
- Some people complainig about gps not locking, but is probably because of data not working properly.
I think all these are unimportant and current builds are daily usable with the workarounds. (autorotate=off most important)
Thanks.....Hmm.....as much as I love my HD2, and with Winmo is running 100% perfect! why add Android wich is at 80% functional on HD2.
Android.....might as well get an Android phone.
As for me;......my hd2 will stay with my Kumar's Rom and shell 3.5.5 and running on win 6.5.
engelsione said:
Thanks.....Hmm.....as much as I love my HD2, and with Winmo is running 100% perfect! why add Android wich is at 80% functional on HD2.
Android.....might as well get an Android phone.
As for me;......my hd2 will stay with my Kumar's Rom and shell 3.5.5 and running on win 6.5.
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because android on the hd2 while not 100% perfect, is better than most native devices.
not to mention that apps like
camera 360
snap photo pro
retro camera
wide arrange of sound boards
wide range of home replacements
DB meter
Spectrum anyliser
its a complelty new and so much more fun phone, that is no longer limited to closed software that costs a fortune.
engelsione said:
Thanks.....Hmm.....as much as I love my HD2, and with Winmo is running 100% perfect! why add Android wich is at 80% functional on HD2.
Android.....might as well get an Android phone.
As for me;......my hd2 will stay with my Kumar's Rom and shell 3.5.5 and running on win 6.5.
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I honestly don't believe winmo on HD2 is 100%...If we want to say 100% working, I would boldly say that winmo is NOT 100%...It works but still got it's own set of problems...I have problems left and right, even after switching roms...HTC touchflo not working properly, messaging glitches, constant reboot to remedy lockups...I just got fed up...Put on Android...Not everything works but the majority of it work and that's good enough...I only go back to WinMo for GPS (android got this working already) and transfering BIG file (movies, tv shows, etc)...
One thing for sure about Android is not experiencing lockups...I almost NEVER reboot android. In a week, Android is used 90% of the time and 10% on WinMO...This is just the opinion of a single person (ME) but I'm sure many felt the same way too.
So to recap, there's no such thing as PERFECT. WinMO on HD2 aint perfect and so does Android on HD2, but Android on the Galaxy S, Nexus One and Droid aint perfect either.....
No build is ever 100% perfect not even the iPhone in fact.
The Android is pretty much 90% (or less dependent on build) for me for everyday use. I enjoy mattc's Nexus One build a lot since I can dial down the 3G to EDGE in fact.
I am testing a lot of crazy builds but I prefer the Desire and Nexus One (the latter especially) the most for the builds. Using Dutty's ROM at the moment to see whether I get extended battery life.
veda_sticks said:
because android on the hd2 while not 100% perfect, is better than most native devices.
not to mention that apps like
camera 360
snap photo pro
retro camera
wide arrange of sound boards
wide range of home replacements
DB meter
Spectrum anyliser
its a complelty new and so much more fun phone, that is no longer limited to closed software that costs a fortune.
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This^
I've switched to Android 2.2 on my HD2, for one reason of the Marketplace. Apps for Android are just so much better.
memin1857 said:
As of 29 August it is daily usable with these missing features/problems:
- No internal memory (NAND) boot yet.
- Auto Backlight (light sensor) is not working. (But fix is posted in git)
- There are frequent touchscreen freezes if phone is moving and autorotate is NOT disabled.
- Battery calibration might be problematic.
- PPP data is not stably working for everyone. (RMNET data is also slow beucase of mtu workaround)
- Some people still complain about some BT devices.
- Wifi hotspot not working yet. (It is made but not yet posted)
- USB tethering works with rmnet but not with ppp yet.
- Call volume/speakerphone volume may be lower than optimal.
- clrcad.exe in winmo is still required for sound in android.
- Background audio may affect call audio.
- Compass is off.
- Some people complainig about gps not locking, but is probably because of data not working properly.
I think all these are unimportant and current builds are daily usable with the workarounds. (autorotate=off most important)
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Awesome summary, thanks.
my hd2 is still heating up like **** when using android, i hate that!
im not gonna use android fulltime as long this isnt fixed :/
and the touchscreen freezes are fking up everything too, disabling autorotate is a no go, cause i dont know another way to rotate the screen, and im only writing in landscape..
D4rkSoRRoW said:
my hd2 is still heating up like **** when using android, i hate that!
im not gonna use android fulltime as long this isnt fixed :/
and the touchscreen freezes are fking up everything too, disabling autorotate is a no go, cause i dont know another way to rotate the screen, and im only writing in landscape..
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this is fixed, if yoiu would just read the damn forums.
Install setcpu. sorted, the cpu is now scaled depending on how much processiong power is needed. it ramps down to 250mhz when screen is off or when not much is needed, and it scales upto 998mhz when it needs full power.
i run android 90% of the time now, it only gets hot when im charging (which is normal) or im running something processor intensive (which is also normal, same happens in winmo) leave it alone and it cools down
I can't wait until the HD2 boots the Android Rom natively and we can remove all traces of the archaic Windows Mobile.
veda_sticks said:
this is fixed, if yoiu would just read the damn forums.
Install setcpu. sorted, the cpu is now scaled depending on how much processiong power is needed. it ramps down to 250mhz when screen is off or when not much is needed, and it scales upto 998mhz when it needs full power.
i run android 90% of the time now, it only gets hot when im charging (which is normal) or im running something processor intensive (which is also normal, same happens in winmo) leave it alone and it cools down
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im sry, im reading the forums and even saw that with setcpu, but nobody told that it fixes the heating problem
ty, im trying now
Hi guys first post, so no flaming. (your found of flaming here !!)
I have been running Andriod on my hd2 for 2 weeks now, and it works prefectly, Super fast, battery us lasting around 18hrs, same as on stock rom. But the most important feature is that it saved my HD2 from the bin. It really is different beast and for the first time in six months I have enjoyed being a HD2 Owner.
It is working great
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
FroyoStone Sense - Version 3.1
i use this version without any problem everything working
and there is no touch freeze or anything
you can use it in your daily life
Hello there,
Yes, I'm well aware of the stickied thread that has most of the answers I was looking for, but there are still a few questions in mind:
1) Is it slow on your Blackstone or does it work just as fine as Windows Mobile in terms of speed (opening, closing applications, making a phone call, etc.)
2) I Googled about Android on WinMo HTC phones before I came here and I came across a few posts that said sound isn't that great and text messaging doesn't work most of the time. Is that true?
3) If you can do me the biggest favor and list the MAJOR issues (downsides) of running Android on the HTC phones that came with WinMo?
I am buying an HTC HD in a couple of days and I was really eager to try out the Android OS. I have had bad experiences with Windows Mobile before but I am pretty sure with XDA Developers on my side, everything will be as easy as water.
Thank you very much for taking the time to read this, guys.
PS: Is the HTC Magic worth it? Is it or the HD better?
All
1) It works quite fast - for example i use to draw with skecher and listen some music^^
at same time, applications starts pretty well (but some times crash just after start, but not often!)
2) messeging works fine (as sms gmail gtalk), no questions to browser speed as well
3) camera not working
PS i'v bought HD few weeks ago only because Android works on it
Thank you very much for your quick and thorough reply, Mr. htcrum.
I guess the camera isn't much of an issue as I'm not the type of people who keep taking pictures. That's in addition to the fact that I have a digital camera that I can just use.
By the way, is switching between Android and Windows Mobile fast or does it take a long time? How long does it take to be precise?
Oh and is battery life when on Android way worse than on Windows Mobile or do you not notice a difference?
switching from android to windows takes 1-2 minutes (actualy i never check this)
booting android is mostly similar as windows
about battery - it discharges in about 10-12 hours with slight usage, and I really don't know how it is in windows - i use it for android booting only
and i forgot to say about another issue - usb mass storage might not work
htcrum said:
...about battery - it discharges in about 10-12 hours with slight usage, and I really don't know how it is in windows - i use it for android booting only
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What do you really mean about " about 10-12 hours with slight usage"? I am just interested because I would really like to test some android rom's but if the battery life is so bad I can wait little longer and stick on WinMo.
Just for comparison my average battery live with WinMo 6.1 without touchflo is from 3 to 5 days depending on how much I use GPS and surf around internet.