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3D capabilities of the PocketPC

Hello,
I have two concepts for games to be specially developed for the pocket pc platform, they're both, in my opinion, very solid concepts and most importantly they capitalize on the touch-screen interface of the ppc.
I am, by trade, a 3D artist, I've worked on a few games before and am familiar with working within polygon count restrictive environments but have never been required to do anything for ppc, not many people have apparently judging from the lack of content out there.
So my question is, can a good 3D engine be developed for the platform and how restrictive would the limitations be, also, how much more difficult (if any) is it to code for than x86 (I'm not a very good coder so I wouldn't be doing any of the programming)?
Seeing fpsece (playstation emulator) run at relatively high speed on my XDA II gives me hope, because we all know how inneficient emulation is, so surely a native renderer could achieve spectacular results?
This would be a paying job of course but I need to work out if it is viable first.
Thanks for any input you may have.

The first idea is a sword fighting game where the touchscreen controls the positioning of your character (ie; sword up, sword down, move back, jump, duck, strike forward, strike downward) in 3D using an end chain effector using an inverse kinematics chain setup.
I've seen lots of flash (macromedia) demos that achieve similar things, not in 3D, but there's no reason it can't be done, I can setup a rig in softimage that can do more or less what I'm talking about in real time.
Second idea is a 3D flight combat game on rails, going through many environments you play the gunner on a craft (not a spacecraft since it can also travel through atmosphere), I've already got a voice actor for the female pilot - she controls your flight path and you just have to handle the weapons systems (think mechwarrior 2, where you had a hugely interactive control panel; shields forward, shields aft, charge EMP, weapons selection etc.) - think miniguns blazing, targetting missiles, exciting environments to zoom through and a good story behind it. Inspirations for this one were einhander (psx) and mechwarrior 2 (pc).
I'm not going to go into too much detail on here but if I can get some programmers interested then we can really get these projects moving.

well being that doom1 2 quake 1 & 2 and dukenumem 3d and heretic and hexen have been ported to pocketpc (from pc) and run just fine
even though it dont use the special image chip from ati at all
i'd say that 3d engiens can run on pocketpc's
and made for them if one feel it's necessary
but imho then i'd never really play those kinda games with a pocketpc
and havy gaming would wear down even the most persistent screen protector dont even want to think about what it would do to a pocketpc without a screen protector

Ah, but I think the pocketpc lends itself to a unique type of game, one which the pc can't emulate (unless you buy a tablet pc I suppose), the interaction between screen and stylus really has not been exploited except in perhaps 2-3 games (ICBM and that one with the bricks, balls and paddle come to mind).
These units get heavy screen/stylus usage under any circumstances, and anyone not using a screen protector have no-one to blame but themselves. Even so, I don't think it would be as bad as even solitaire, since solitaire you're always hitting the same area of the screen, these games would have alot larger interaction area.

oooh and about an engien then try looking at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic?t=7296#34415

three and a half year bump

Well, recently graphical posibilities of this platform has been pushed much farther. Even older devices with 600MHz XScale processors were capable of running Quake II at reasonable FPS without any 3D acceleration. With today's 3D accelerators level of visual quality used Quake III should be easily achieved (was possible without acceleration years ago but in low FPS).

Yeti 3D engine:
http://www.intuitex.com/yeti.html

Call of duty 2
There's a Call of Duty 2 port for the PPC. It ran reasonably well on my 400Mhz iPAQ 4155. It even had multiplayer.
Also, Descent was ported to the ppc.

Sadly after 2003's Tombraider I havent seen a better 3D game:
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Thats over 5 YEARS and still no better match!
And its not because there aren't good games or better mhz machines... companies rather do silly puzzle games for ppc than a good 3D game.
And I'm refering to oficial ports, because the Quake's are obviously better.
The Yeti 3D I posted before is a very good and extremely fast engine, and its been around since 2004, why nobody uses it is beyond me.

tombrider
ola, can u give us link to download the tombrider game? looks cool.
thanks,

he cant cause thats a retail game and not a freeware

Alen.M. said:
ola, can u give us link to download the tombrider game? looks cool.
thanks,
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Welcome to xda, i suggest you do a quick read through of the rules to avoid getting yourself in trouble (or any of us)..... there is a link in my sig.
Try google if you would like to find the game and legitimatley obtain a copy of it. If you will read the rules though, you will see that we do not support software piracy (cracks, serials, ect)

Rudegar said:
oooh and about an engien then try looking at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic?t=7296#34415
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It looks like OpenTribe link has problem.

HD games for Android - Xperia X10

My gadget is Sony Ericsson Xperia X10i.. for tested all of this games
All games run smooth, no lag, and no black screen. (and actually, it's FULL VERSION indeed )
No more Demo, Lite or Trial games. Full Version!!!
Please, check this out!
Need for Speed Shift
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Backbreakers
Monopoly
The Sims 3
Asphalt 5
I think Android games is better than PSP games
And you should have all of them
Thanks
Edited : The Sims 3 HD download file :
Here, the Sims 3 HD of my Xperia X10.
I have backup it with Titanium Backup.
So you must download and install Titanium Backup before you can install+play The Sims 3 HD.
Titanium Backup can be found on the Market (rooted required)
Here the link of The Sims 3 HD : NO WAREZ
After you download it, you must extract the content of your downloaded file to sd card:/TitaniumBackup folder (if not found it, you can create a folder with name "TitaniumBackup" on your sd card)
Then, go to Titanium Backup app, and then restore The Sims 3 from Backup/Restore tab.
Enjoy your The Sims 3 HD
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Where did you find NFS shift?
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misfit41 said:
Where did you find NFS shift?
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I found it on PlayNow, logon with my account, and "NFS Shift" in HD category/latest (rooted version X10 - R2BA023 Generic)

I am using 023 but I guess since I live in Canada I always get short handed...
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I want sims 3, too bad no play Now app for us Canadian...

Get a PSP. A phone is not for games. Especially one that has no multitouch. lol

I have one, but I want sims 3 looks nice on it

I want sims 3, too bad no play Now app for us Canadian...
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Just search gamelofts smartphone site its prob there,or just google the apk you want and install. No play now needed

PSP is so much better. For example: Persona 3! All the TALES of games on PSP.
Dynasty warrior multi raid 1 and 2!
metal gear solid peace keeper!
and DYSSIDIA!!! BEST GAME EVER!
I love valkyria chronicle which is coming soon.
You only live in a world with phone games, you never have the true taste of real gaming yet! Most of the games you posted up there would most likely get a highest score of 5/10 @ ign. almost all of them are crap in ps3/PC/xbox360 version.

htc fan89 said:
I want sims 3, too bad no play Now app for us Canadian...
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I have playnow... I have had it since I first got my phone and when I updated it to 020. =/

Same here, but I only have like 7 apps in mine like wayfinder and nimbuzz (has FB chat unlike im+) along with some craptastic games...
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I have it on my Rogers x10 but limited games and apps just don't make the mistake that I just did and update cuz I lost all access to mediascape so I guess I'll have to reroot my phone to get of back in working order fml! Unless any know of another app that I can use in place of mediascape to view photos and change my wallpaper?
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And by update I mean update play now...don't do it our you'll fubar your mediascape app.
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pls les make this thread where all working , running smooth HD games are posted and discussed ... this way we dont have to bang our heads which will run ...
thanks for the TS for sharing..

wrongfeifong said:
PSP is so much better. For example: Persona 3! All the TALES of games on PSP.
Dynasty warrior multi raid 1 and 2!
metal gear solid peace keeper!
and DYSSIDIA!!! BEST GAME EVER!
I love valkyria chronicle which is coming soon.
You only live in a world with phone games, you never have the true taste of real gaming yet! Most of the games you posted up there would most likely get a highest score of 5/10 @ ign. almost all of them are crap in ps3/PC/xbox360 version.
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LOL sorry about my statements, guys.
I have Sony PS 1, PlayStation 2, X-Box, Sony PSP, and Nintendo DSi too, but in same case.. like NFS Shift
I just compare NFS Shift PSP game and NFS Shift ANdroid game, so i have a conclussion that NFS Shift Android game is better than NFS Shift PSP game.
I love play Dissidia, Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, Prince of Persia, PES 2010 on my PSP too

when i try to install nfs shift my phone say's free up some space on your phone and try again
but my memory card still got 6gb

may i knw how much nfs costs??????

I don't see any games on my Play now.

Nfs shift you must download frim playnow, no illegal versions. Everbody with playnow issues google for playnow.apk

forzanerazzurri said:
Get a PSP. A phone is not for games. Especially one that has no multitouch. lol
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Have you even tried the games on X10 ? It doensnt need MT, so plx go somewhere else with your bad attitude. And btw, get a PC. PsP is only for pocketplaying.....
wrongfeifong said:
PSP is so much better. For example: Persona 3! All the TALES of games on PSP.
Dynasty warrior multi raid 1 and 2!
metal gear solid peace keeper!
and DYSSIDIA!!! BEST GAME EVER!
I love valkyria chronicle which is coming soon.
You only live in a world with phone games, you never have the true taste of real gaming yet! Most of the games you posted up there would most likely get a highest score of 5/10 @ ign. almost all of them are crap in ps3/PC/xbox360 version.
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As i wrote to the other dude, real gaming isnt PsP. Where the hell did you get that ? Have you ever tried to play any deacent games on 24" screens with hardware that support that on a real playing machine... a PC.

Sony Ericsson Announces 20+ New Games for Xperia PLAY

Sony Ericsson Announces 20+ New Games for Xperia PLAY to be Shown at E3, Including 10 Exclusive Titles http://bit.ly/joQ3Vk
Nice!
Here's the list:
New Android Games Exclusive on Xperia™ PLAY:
Minecraft™ by Mojang
Battlefield Bad Company 2 by Electronic Arts
Tom Clancy’s Rainbow 6 Shadow Vanguard by Gameloft
Desert Winds by Southend Interactive
Ruined by Bigpoint
Icebreaker™ by NaturalMotion
Sleepy Jack by SilverTree Media
Cracking Sands by Polarbit
Armageddon Squadron 2 by Polarbit
An unnamed fighting game from Khaeon Gamestudio
New Games coming soon on Xperia™ PLAY:
Pocket Legends by Spacetime Studios
Star Legends: The Black Star Chronicles by Spacetime Studios
Eternal Legacy by Gameloft
Guns ’n’Glory 2 by HandyGames
Dungeon Hunter 2 by Gameloft
Pocket RPG by Crescent Moon Games
D.A.R.K. developed by Gamelab
Samurai II: Vengeance by MADFINGER Games
Vendetta Online by Guild Software
Order & Chaos - Gameloft
Happy Vikings by Handy Games
A Ball Game by Trendy Entertainment
Lumines by Connect2Media

I need a 64gb card!

great job bringing up the info.
Gameloft need to correct the other games too...
no japanese company in the list...
No sony japanese title in the list...
Where is God of War for Xplay ?

kenshindono said:
great job bringing up the info.
Gameloft need to correct the other games too...
no japanese company in the list...
No sony japanese title in the list...
Where is God of War for Xplay ?
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WoW if there is GOW for Xplay ... it will be Amazing !!

Order and Chaos online soon??? Bye bye real life

Lumines for Xperia play is already on the Market I am sure.

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metcard said:
Lumines for Xperia play is already on the Market I am sure.
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You're probably right. Same applies to Pocket Legends. I think the second list is existing Android games and upcoming Android games that will support the Play's gamepad soon.
LOL @ fapin' btw ^^

Lumines for Xperia Play is in the Market, however at launch it was set up to be incompatible with the Xperia Play as the Market saw things, so you wouldn't be able to actually purchase it. I poked the guys that made it and they fixed it so that it can be bought now. Also, you will find it when looking for Xperia Play Optimized games either with a manual search or with the automatic one you get from a button in the game launcher.
I also already have sent them a bunch of bugs to fix.

zerojay said:
Lumines for Xperia Play is in the Market, however at launch it was set up to be incompatible with the Xperia Play as the Market saw things, so you wouldn't be able to actually purchase it. I poked the guys that made it and they fixed it so that it can be bought now. Also, you will find it when looking for Xperia Play Optimized games either with a manual search or with the automatic one you get from a button in the game launcher.
I also already have sent them a bunch of bugs to fix.
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What's the verdict on Lumines? I used to love it for my PSP. Is the soundtrack still great and how does the game look/control?

v3rn said:
What's the verdict on Lumines? I used to love it for my PSP. Is the soundtrack still great and how does the game look/control?
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I too want to know this...

Tom Clancy’s Rainbow 6 Shadow Vanguard by Gameloft is already here. And FREE!

Aaaand not working if you have 2.3.3.

v3rn said:
What's the verdict on Lumines? I used to love it for my PSP. Is the soundtrack still great and how does the game look/control?
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Soundtrack is hit or miss. There are some great tracks, but there are a couple of duds. Controls are great and graphics are good, but definitely could be better.
Here is a screenshot from the game.

aitmanga said:
Soundtrack is hit or miss. There are some great tracks, but there are a couple of duds. Controls are great and graphics are good, but definitely could be better.
Here is a screenshot from the game.
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I'm having an issue where I can't move the piece and spin it at the same time. (dpad and x) This is a huge issue for the game
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v3rn said:
I'm having an issue where I can't move the piece and spin it at the same time. (dpad and x) This is a huge issue for the game
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I've had no issues rotating pieces. You could alternately use L/R to spin them.

It just doesn't feel very fluid I guess. It works, but you can't hold the dpad left or right, you need to keep tapping it.
Also, I'm going to buy a Gameloft game. Just not sure whether to get Sacred Odyssey or go with Rainbow Six. I'm leaning towards Sacred Odyssey as I already have enough shooters, and a fun RPG with the Play's controls would be great.

kenshindono said:
great job bringing up the info.
Gameloft need to correct the other games too...
no japanese company in the list...
No sony japanese title in the list...
Where is God of War for Xplay ?
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Desert Winds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W2EV6oYe0E Close enough and its coming to the xperia play

Has anyone tried Eternal Legacy on the iDevices and tell us how it is? It is the only game I find sort of compelling, and not too much actually...

In response to someone asking about Lumines... It's a little on the buggy side, but still very much the same game you know and love, just with different themes. The gameplay sometimes becomes slightly unresponsive but nothing terrible by any means. There is no smooth transition between skins at this point. I don't know if they are planning on making any fixes at this point or not, but I sure hope so. Even with all this, I'm happy with my purchase.

What games do you think SHOULD be on the Play?

Just as the title says, what do you think would be a great game or games to have on this phone, but try to be realistic, for example, don't say Mass Effect 3 or anything of that sort, that's what OnLive is for. I'll go first.
I think Grandia 2 would be a great game to have on the Play, it was originally for the Dreamcast. It even looks like it could be an Android title in the first place IMO.
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I love Grandia 2. I still play it on my dreamcast and I have all the grandia games. Ps1 Francis, Sega Saturn grandia. Grandia 2 for DC and PS2. Grandia xtreme grandia 3. I would not mind seeing Albert Odyssey from the Sega Saturn on the xperia play. Not the best graphics but great story.
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Pepsi man
Street fighter alpha 3
A good wrestling game
Ecco the dolphin
Crash team racing
More ps1 games
Mass effect 3
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Precisely Grandia, like other turn-based RPG or strategy game, is the kind of game that I wouldn't mind seeing in any Android phone, but which wouldn't fully use the virtues of the gamepad. In fact I think those kinds of games which don't require reflexes or speed of mashing buttons are better suited for the touchscreen, provided that you solve the issue of moving the characters. Games like Final Fantasy Tactics would be very nice to see properly ported to an Android phone.
A good fighter (that excludes that abortion called Fight Game Heroes which came about some time ago) is something we're sorely lacking, and which would use it. The Soul Calibur series would be legendary, a dream come true.

I would like to see a version of uncharted like the ps vita one
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Rollercoaster Tycoon 1

All I really feel like we're missing is a online fighter.
Fight Game Heroes could be that game if they'd just beef up the fighting/techs and patch it with online play (like they said they would)
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THE ENTIRE kingdom hearts saga. I would probably die if that happened
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I think we miss open world rpgs in the vein of Elder Scrolls. I mean, sure you can play ultima underworld on andosbox... but it's not quite the same thing. (did anyone try dosbox turbo?)

Pac man ce DX

Gran Turismo
God of War
Killzone
LittleBigPlanet
Metal Gear Solid
Uncharted

GTA San Andreas. I saw someone playing it on an Android. I guess you need a java emulator.

We have it. I play it with fpse and it's fantastic. It doesn't need analogs anyway.

Battlefield 3, SSX, GT5, Unreal Tournament III & Mass Effect 3

rubbergnome said:
We have it. I play it with fpse and it's fantastic. It doesn't need analogs anyway.
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I know, I just mean that the game should be officially released on the android store. With Maria and the extra levels included as well as being able to switch between the original and new voice acting...*drools*
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God of war
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Midnight club series fruition PSP
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I would really like to see:
At least one of the Twisted Metal series
Grand Turismo 1 and 2
Driver
Motorstorm RC (since it would be the most likely to be ported over)
Metal Gear Solid
Crash Team Racing (even though most people already have it)

I decided to look back on this topic.
I would love to have Doom 3 on the Android. That would be sweet. The requirements aren't even high at all (may need an OC'd Play since 1.5GHz is the minimum). The demo was also released for Linux, yet it was most likely closed source so that wouldn't work. Just a cool thought.

Moto X Controller and Game Review

Hey everyone,
I I just picked up some OTG cables and decided I wanted to push this little phone to the limit. It's been great and I thought I'd share what I learned and put all the recommendations/reviews in one place.
This is the OTG cable I bought:
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http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-...TF8&qid=1382860909&sr=1-10&keywords=otg+cable
First the bad news: The first thing I plugged in was a PS3 controller and it did not work no matter what I tried. I tried it on the Nexus 7 2013 and it worked instantly. It seems the Moto X does not have the drivers pre-installed so you will need root to get it to work.
I also picked up a Mogo Pro. The controller is great. It feels like a combination between a PS3 and Xbox controler. It's powered by a rechargeable battery and has two modes for a bluetooth connection. Mode A is a special mode that opens up the full functionality of the controler with the app (only works if the app is running), mode B puts the controller in a standard universal game controller mode for use with any bluetooth devices. Games will only work with mode A if the app is designed to support it. Most games should work with mode B.
The app is poorly written (literally the ONLY app on my phone that is slow and stuttery) but it gets the job done.
The Moto X fits perfectly in the little holder.
Games
Here's a list of games I've played with a note about quality.
FPse - Playstation One emulator - Works well (I've only got one game because they are massive. 600mb a pop.). The Playstation is probably the most advanced platform capable of mobile emulation so far and it works really well. However I'm finding out that native android games blow the PS one out of the water. Only useful for the nostalgia factor. Works in A and B mode.
ARC Squadron: Redux - an iOS game recently ported to android. Plays like Starfox. No controller support. (It will kind of work in B mode but its not designed for it.)
Anomaly HD - have not tested. Strategy game.
Dead Trigger/Dead Trigger 2 - Lots of fun. Basically you shoot zombies. Graphics quality is great and it can suck you in and scare you if you get attacked from behind. Good halloween game.
Hero of Many - have not tested. Role playing game.
Hunters: Episode One - Strategy puzzle war game. Have not tested with controller.
Modern Combat 4: Zero Hour - Fantastic game. Better graphics than dead trigger. If I had to say, I would put the graphics between Socom 4 on the PS3 and Socom 4 on the PS2. The textures and lighting effects are similar to the PS3 but the character animations (the way people move) are like the PS2. The sound is also fantastic. Multiplayer here is just as engaging as it is in the modern warfare series. Takes up 2gb! Largest game by far.
Pacman - Classic
Pirates! Showdown - Tower defense game where the computer constantly cheats. Fun but repetitive. No controller support.
Pivvot - fun puzzle game. Have not tested with controller.
Radiant Defense - The best tower defense game out there IMO. No controller support.
Riptide GP2 - Great graphics. Boat racing game. Works with A and B mode. Your jetski feels really heavy and sluggish. I don't like it but its clear thats what the developers were going for. Fun if you're into that kind of game. This is one of the few games where I do better with the tilt controls over the controller.
rymdkapsel - VERY fun sim city like game where you build a civilization and defend against aliens. If you're doing it right its a huge time suck because every game lasts like 35-40 minutes. Very atari like graphics but don't let that keep you from trying it. No controller support.
Sector Strike - Side-scrolling space shooter. Fun but repetitive. Also the pay-to-play feature is very present and unreasonably expensive.
Shadow Gun/Shadow Gun: Deadzone - best graphics of all the games so far. Third person shooter. Supports A and B modes. Lots of fun.
Ski Safari - ski free for android. Very fun and super addictive. Can be played really quickly while waiting at the DMV or something. no controller support. Basically you just tap to jump and do backflips.
Star Command - Very fun strategy game. Plays like an old gameboy color game. You put crew in battlestations to fight an enemy ship while sending security officers to defend from aliens that beam on board. The graphics in the pictures look janky but it's actually a really sophisticated game. Music is great. No controller support.
Syder Arcade - ridiculously hard side scrolling space shooter. Controller A and B support. This is another game where I am better without the controller (I think the game actually has a higher difficulty when playing with a controller).
Tetris - Not tested
Super Hexagon - Really fun puzzle game. Controller support. Atari-like graphics. Very fast.
That's all for now!

For me I only want to play old school games using emulators by Robert Broglia (Snes9x, GBA.emu, NES.emu, GBC.emu), which controller would you suggest to use with the MotoX for these?