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After installing setcpu it seems my su app is broken.it always gets stuck and force closes. Help!
kevina90 said:
After installing setcpu it seems my su app is broken.it always gets stuck and force closes. Help!
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is the aria even clockable?
hoofadoo said:
is the aria even clockable?
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Not with any current kernels
Whomever posted the should post their rom version to help
I've tried setcpu and it doesn't work so don't try it yet
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never mind, i rebooted a couple times and for some reason it worked...
I'm trying to decide if I want to go to the premium rom manager. I've been loving on some skyraider for a long time but I keep hearing about miui roms. Any suggestions?
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I went premium and i love it
#1 DINC FAN said:
I'm trying to decide if I want to go to the premium rom manager. I've been loving on some skyraider for a long time but I keep hearing about miui roms. Any suggestions?
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i wont go premium until they fix it for HTC Incredible. When using ROM manager, after installing a ROM from the app and going in to recover autmatically(it gives you this option after the inital download) after the download it wont install automatically. I have to go toggle the the security(or whatever its called)disable and then download from sd card and look for ROM manually. I have reported to the deveolper but never no responce. But I would love to use the ROM manager how its supposed to be. If it loads the ROMS for you automatically I would suggest on buying. Great App!
jager420 said:
i wont go premium until they fix it for HTC Incredible. When using ROM manager and after installing a ROM from the app and going in to recover autmatically(it gives you this option after the inital download) it wont install automatically. I have to go toggle the the secuirty(or whatever its called)disable and then download from sd card and look for ROM manually. I have reported to the deveolper but never no responce. But I would love to use the ROM manager how its supposed to be. If it loads the ROMS for you automatically I would suggest on buying. Great App!
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I've been using it on my dinc with absolutely no problems. I've used it to flash more roms than I care to think of. I don't know why you're having trouble.
OP: Support the developer, I got premium.
I guess my real question is is the miui rom worth paying for rom manager?
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TheGamerZ said:
I've been using it on my dinc with absolutely no problems. I've used it to flash more roms than I care to think of. I don't know why you're having trouble.
OP: Support the developer, I got premium.
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Same here. Other than Clockwork Mod having issues since I have a new SLCD Dinc (for which there are fixes) the app works flawlessly. I bought it if only to support the developer.
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I guess my real question is is the miui rom worth paying for rom manager?
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I used MIUI for a day and wasn't all that impressed. Yeah, it was flashy and shiney and new, but once that wore off, it wasn't anything special in my opinion. Went back to SkyRaider.
Its worth it if you like how the roms look i like them and ive never had a single issue
Besides miui and cm nightlies what other benefits are there from going from free to premium?
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I do agree that supporting the Dev is nice and that's why I don't use the ad free app.
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Doesn't it let you install from SD too or something?? I kinda of went premium aright away
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ROM manager is a life saver for me, i have had zero issues as well. bought it to not only support the dev but because it's just an essential app for any ROM flasher.
i use adfree because i dont like apps that send personal information to ad agencies. it's a privacy issue for me. i buy apps if there is a version available.
Can't you just download the roms yourself and flash via recovery? That's what I do....never have to use rom manager unless I want to fix permissions or something.
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Rom manager premium is a great app. Way too many benefits like "Fix permissions".
Costs lesser than the value of the time you have spent trying to figure it out. Seriously!
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Well worth it!
Install ROM from SD Card
Download ROM
Check for ROM Updates
Install from QR Code
Manage and Restore Backups...
- Restore
- Rename
- Delete
Backup Current ROM
Fix Permissions
and more!
I bought it to support the developer first, but it has been a great lifesaver. On the other issues you brought up:
- Works fine on my Incredible, all the features with no issues
- MIUI Rom looks beautiful, but works only ok. I was running into all sorts of different issues, not the least of which being file locations and then it did something to my SD card that caused about 4 hours of rework. Fortunately I have been flashing since my Windows Mobile days and am finally smart enough to keep a full backup of everything I really need. I will say that it seems to run the fastest and in the smallest footprint though.
- I agree with the GamerZ, I went back to SkyRaider as usual. Rock solid and stable.
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Besides miui and cm nightlies what other benefits are there from going from free to premium?
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Ota notifications
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TheGamerZ said:
I've been using it on my dinc with absolutely no problems. I've used it to flash more roms than I care to think of. I don't know why you're having trouble.
OP: Support the developer, I got premium.
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congratulations..the app it self is fine no problems with downloading or anything. Its just rebooting in to recovery. It never installs automatically. I always have to manually wipe and clear data/cache and install from sdcard..until thats fixed for MY phone ill stay on the free app
jager420 said:
the app it self is fine no problems with downloading or anything. Its just rebooting in to recovery. It never installs automatically. I always have to manually wipe and clear data/cache and install from sdcard..until thats fixed for MY phone ill stay on the free app
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That's to bad it doesn't work for you.
Works fine for me with most ROMs.
Currently running Skyraider3.3.3 and it works fine. When I upgraded from 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 I downloaded the ROM with ROM Manager and was given 2 options:
1. Backup Current ROM
2. Wipe (can't remember the exact words in the menu)
When the ROM was Downloaded there was an icon in the notification bar, I clicked on it and it said "Download Complete". I clicked on the notification and my phone rebooted into recovery, done a backup - installed the ROM and rebooted my phone.
All with no user interaction other than clicking the notification to start the process.
I have had other ROMs that when I try the same thing it will not reboot to recovery. I have to manually reboot recovery (I usually do it from a command prompt) then it will start the install.
On those ROMs selecting "Reboot into Recovery" didn't work either.
I have used it enough that I think different ROMs handle this differently.
I've never had any problems with rom manager. I always download my roms here on xda (like miui, for example) and flash them through rom manager, though.
Premium didn't really have anything I needed, but I got it anyway because koush is awesome.
Hi I know that i shouldn't post topic like this.
I was an iphone user until recently when i bought galaxy s. Galaxy was delivered with android 2.2 now i want to root it but i can't because it won't load update.zip from recovery menu because it's 3e. I've searched the forum but nothing seems to help.
I will be very thankful if someone helps me
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Search the forum for getting the 3button combo working, there are few links.
Once you get the download mode, recovery mode working you can root using z4root (available in the market).
Mr.Hunk said:
Search the forum for getting the 3button combo working, there are few links.
Once you get the download mode, recovery mode working you can root using z4root (available in the market).
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is there a diffrence between american and european galaxy.
i live in croatia(do you have skype or something because i want to contact you if somethin goes wrong pleaseee)
themate1987 said:
Hi I know that i shouldn't post topic like this.
I was an iphone user until recently when i bought galaxy s. Galaxy was delivered with android 2.2 now i want to root it but i can't because it won't load update.zip from recovery menu because it's 3e. I've searched the forum but nothing seems to help.
I will be very thankful if someone helps me
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you can root with this if you just want root:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953
or this if you also want cwm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788108&highlight=root
I've rooted it but i noticed that i can't overclock it on setcpu what should i do?
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you can root with this if you just want root:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953
or this if you also want cwm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788108&highlight=root
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You'd need to change to a kernel that supports overclocking. Offhand i can think of raspdeep / yaok
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I've rooted it but i noticed that i can't overclock it on setcpu what should i do?
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First why do you want to overclock? Is your sgs not fast enough?
If you say you are a noob, you should not be trying these things
Do more reading first
I will try that thanks.
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You'd need to change to a kernel that supports overclocking. Offhand i can think of raspdeep / yaok
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Yeah it's laggy even when i've installed lagfix
betoNL said:
First why do you want to overclock? Is your sgs not fast enough?
If you say you are a noob, you should not be trying these things
Do more reading first
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Lag is most likely when writing/reading on the flash memory. Either because of the File System (wich shouldn't be the case if you used OCLF or the likes) and because SGS is using flash memory (SD Card) instead of a Nand on other devices. This is so that you have more space on the device.
So, O/Cing the thing won't change the "lag". Altough, I'm using JK4 and the lag is pretty much lesser than any other (when installing apps or browsing on folders, for example). And I don't use any lagfix.
So i should switch from jp6 to jk4?
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Lag is most likely when writing/reading on the flash memory. Either because of the File System (wich shouldn't be the case if you used OCLF or the likes) and because SGS is using flash memory (SD Card) instead of a Nand on other devices. This is so that you have more space on the device.
So, O/Cing the thing won't change the "lag". Altough, I'm using JK4 and the lag is pretty much lesser than any other (when installing apps or browsing on folders, for example). And I don't use any lagfix.
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It is available through the donate version of Liberty Toolbox on the market! Support your ROM developers, it's only $5. I am installing it now. I will report back with all the awesomeness that has been having people froth at the mouth lol. Nom nom nom
Liberty 2.0 will be released for the masses in a couple days on the forums. They are calling this some what of a beta stage. Either way, I don't think they would release something that would need to be tested for a beta stage for $5 LOL.
Remember, you have to SBF if you are on the Gingerbread leak. If you are not on the Gingerbread leak or any Gingerbread ROM, a simple whipe data/cache will work. This has been confirmed by the developers themselves.
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My Quadrant score is 1388 on clean installed Liberty 2.0 running 1.0Ghz. Overclocked to 1.2Ghz, which is what I normally run, it's 1629. AT 1.3Ghz, I get 1724.
Edit #2: Liberty 2.0.1 has been released and you can download 2.0 for free on droidforums. Also, in the Liberty Toolbox (donate version) Liberty Gingerbread is available for download!
So is 2.0 gingerbread or still froyo?
It is froyo
Has anyone else installed this yet? I want some others to wiegh in before I give my opinions about the ROM.
Yea, My first impression is that it's a lot like 1.5, in fact at a glance you can't tell the difference. I'm at work and have not got to play with it a lot yet though.
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Has anyone else installed this yet? I want some others to wiegh in before I give my opinions about the ROM.
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Will we still have to go back to froyo if we have rooted gingerbread??
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Will we still have to go back to froyo if we have rooted gingerbread??
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You will need to SBF back to Froyo 2.3.340 yes.
I am not yet impressed with 2.0. I mean, yes it's snappy and quick but I don't see what the hype was all about. It is stripped down and apps open quickly but, there isn't a whole lot of change from 1.5
I think this is the best it will get. Unless you theme 2.0 or any other Liberty version, it's plain as plain can be. If your looking for speed and willing to do a lot of the work your self as far as theming and improving the ui look, I was kinda of let down by 2.0. Everyone praises how great it is...am I missing something here, lol?
I liked 1.5, but it had a couple bugs. I am hoping those bugs will be gone completely in 2.0. I was also hoping 2.0 would bring something new and cool to the table, but I really don't see it. I tried a couple other roms, and I thought liberty was faster than any of the others I tried. To early to tell if the bugs are fixed in 2.0.
I am getting a force close when I try to open liberty settings in 2.0. Other than that no real negatives yet.
For anyone looking I just found the settings force close fix on twitter.
Force close in liberty settings fix: download toolbox > access liberty settings by pressing menu> settings in the toolbox.
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Let me retract my previous statements lol. Battery life is amaaaazing so far! I themed 2.0 and man-o-man....2.0 is running quite fast! There isn't a single issue for me. I installed the two Liberty Tool Boxes from the Market and that stopped the FCs when opening the Liberty settings. Other then that, holly molly is alls I have to say!
This is now a true 5 star ROM, all the way! Loading this to me gf's DX!! Locked bootloaders are a thing of the past once you really get this ROM going.
This doesnt seem better than rubix? seems like it comes with more crap I dont need.
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This doesnt seem better than rubix? seems like it comes with more crap I dont need.
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More crap? Like what? Gmail, LoL?
Liberty 2.0 is pure speed. It will need to be themed if you are looking for eye candy.
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This doesnt seem better than rubix? seems like it comes with more crap I dont need.
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It's easy to remove the bloat from Liberty. Take the time to read the OP before you look a gift horse in the mouth. Jerk.
Help please! My Droid X got stock on the Liberty boot screen while flashing, I cannot go back to recovery. I tried holding camera, volume down & power and it still boots the liberty boot screen stays their, I tried power, home and search and nothing their either back to liberty symbol. Help please! All and every suggestion will be tried.
Thanks
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Help please! My Droid X got stock on the Liberty boot screen while flashing, I cannot go back to recovery. I tried holding camera, volume down & power and it still boots the liberty boot screen stays their, I tried power, home and search and nothing their either back to liberty symbol. Help please! All and every suggestion will be tried.
Thanks
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Were you running Froyo or Gingerbread? Did you wipe data/Cache before or after installing installing Liberty 2.0?
I used the wipe data/cache in the install que in the new Liberty Toolbox.
Ben's said:
Were you running Froyo or Gingerbread? Did you wipe data/Cache before or after installing installing Liberty 2.0?
I used the wipe data/cache in the install que in the new Liberty Toolbox.
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I was using rooted Gingerbread, I wiped cache before, I never made it to fully flash liberty, it's still doing the same thing is there a file I can put on my computer to restart it?
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I was using rooted Gingerbread, I wiped cache before, I never made it to fully flash liberty, it's still doing the same thing is there a file I can put on my computer to restart it?
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you have to sbf back before flashing
[email protected] said:
I was using rooted Gingerbread, I wiped cache before, I never made it to fully flash liberty, it's still doing the same thing is there a file I can put on my computer to restart it?
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As funnyface and my first post stated, if you are on Gingerbread, you will need to SBF with RSD Lite to 2.3.340.
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Ben's said:
As funnyface and my first post stated, if you are on Gingerbread, you will need to SBF with RSD Lite to 2.3.340.
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Sorry I am a total NOOB, What is SBF with RSD Lite to 2.3.340? and could you point me to that direction if is a link, meanwhile I'll be googling away my noobness!
if you have a link by any chance please post....
Thanks
Funnyface19 said:
you have to sbf back before flashing
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Thanks for your responses now I just have to figure out what SBF is?
My have screen on when screen off by itsels..
is there anyone have the same condition as me??
Same here
Welly_11 said:
My have screen on when screen off by itsels..
is there anyone have the same condition as me??
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Yeah, I'm running into the same problem.
What Rom are you running, and does it only happen under certain conditions?
I'm running
LiquidSmooth Rom (4.2.2 - It seems super stable, only 2 total problems with it)
CodeFireX .62 or .64, I don't remember
NOS Tweak Package v0.4.5_r1 (was having same problems before this; it actually improved my battery life somehow )
HTC MyTouch 4g/Glacier (Obviously, since I'm posting here, but I figured I'd say so just in case)
Anyways, the problem I'm running into is that I can't get the backlight to stay off after locking the phone.
I lock it, then after ~7seconds the backlight comes back on.
Also, this has happened on each 4.2.x rom I've tried
I read somewhere that messing with the settings/app killers can help, but no change from that. I've also tried setting my backlight to all the way off, as well as full, and the brightness doesn't change while the screen is off.
I can try to make a LogCat of it later, though.
Jaxas said:
Yeah, I'm running into the same problem.
What Rom are you running, and does it only happen under certain conditions?
I'm running
LiquidSmooth Rom (4.2.2 - It seems super stable, only 2 total problems with it)
CodeFireX .62 or .64, I don't remember
NOS Tweak Package v0.4.5_r1 (was having same problems before this; it actually improved my battery life somehow )
HTC MyTouch 4g/Glacier (Obviously, since I'm posting here, but I figured I'd say so just in case)
Anyways, the problem I'm running into is that I can't get the backlight to stay off after locking the phone.
I lock it, then after ~7seconds the backlight comes back on.
Also, this has happened on each 4.2.x rom I've tried
I read somewhere that messing with the settings/app killers can help, but no change from that. I've also tried setting my backlight to all the way off, as well as full, and the brightness doesn't change while the screen is off.
I can try to make a LogCat of it later, though.
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How did u install nos ?
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N_otori0us_ said:
How did u install nos ?
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From this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
Download the file that and unzip it, then follow the ReadMe inside
Also, wow it looks like there's a new version out already...
Jaxas said:
From this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158329
Download the file that and unzip it, then follow the ReadMe inside
Also, wow it looks like there's a new version out already...
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My phone got stuck, what recovery are you using?
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N_otori0us_ said:
My phone got stuck, what recovery are you using?
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Clockwork v5.something
It's not a flashable zip though, you have to install it from the terminal emulator
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Clockwork v5.something
It's not a flashable zip though, you have to install it from the terminal emulator
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I think topper issue would have tho be that nod thing as I have the room installed with no issues. Will try and let you oboe
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Jaxas said:
Clockwork v5.something
It's not a flashable zip though, you have to install it from the terminal emulator
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How exactly would I do that, sorry I'm a noob lol.
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N_otori0us_ said:
How exactly would I do that, sorry I'm a noob lol.
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Ehh, I am too really - everyone's gotta start somewhere though!
Anyways, what it means is that you can't just take the nos_whatever.zip file and flash it from the recovery, you have to actually open the app called Terminal Emulator (can be found on the market, needs root) and install it from there.
The instructions on how are all in the readme inside the .zip file, just follow those and you'll be fine.
What do you mean your phone got stuck?
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xanda143 said:
I think topper issue would have tho be that nod thing as I have the room installed with no issues. Will try and let you oboe
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I was having the same 2 issues beforehand (Backlight coming on while the phone is locked, and cell signal dropping after I miss a call until I turn airplane mode on->off)
Also, I noticed that at least in my case my phone seems much less likely to turn the backlight back on if I'm not doing anything in the background such as listening to music. I'm pretty sure that's only been working today though, not sure why...
Jaxas said:
Ehh, I am too really - everyone's gotta start somewhere though!
Anyways, what it means is that you can't just take the nos_whatever.zip file and flash it from the recovery, you have to actually open the app called Terminal Emulator (can be found on the market, needs root) and install it from there.
The instructions on how are all in the readme inside the .zip file, just follow those and you'll be fine.
What do you mean your phone got stuck?
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I was having the same 2 issues beforehand (Backlight coming on while the phone is locked, and cell signal dropping after I miss a call until I turn airplane mode on->off)
Also, I noticed that at least in my case my phone seems much less likely to turn the backlight back on if I'm not doing anything in the background such as listening to music. I'm pretty sure that's only been working today though, not sure why...
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Reinstall the ROM and this time format the system partition...., also u need ri get 4ext recovery its soooooo better
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xanda143 said:
Reinstall the ROM and this time format the system partition...., also u need ri get 4ext recovery its soooooo better
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Ok, I may do just that. Will backing up and restoring what I have with TitaniumBackup break anything, so I don't have to reinstall everything?
Also, what're the advantages of 4ext recovery over clockwork?
Thanks!
Jaxas said:
Ok, I may do just that. Will backing up and restoring what I have with TitaniumBackup break anything, so I don't have to reinstall everything?
Also, what're the advantages of 4ext recovery over clockwork?
Thanks!
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No shouldn't break anything
And install 4ext before you reinstall just download 4ext recovery controlled.apk and flash it with that app very easy and the u.I is better
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xanda143 said:
No shouldn't break anything
And install 4ext before you reinstall just download 4ext recovery controlled.apk and flash it with that app very easy and the u.I is better
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Hmm, it looks interesting - and having a touch recovery would help remove a major pain in the rear - but I'm completely broke and I can't seem to find the list of differences between the paid controller version and the free updater; would you still recommend the free version?
Yeah I'm using the free version.....PS put the name.apk into Google and u get any app
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xanda143 said:
Yeah I'm using the free version.....PS put the name.apk into Google and u get any app
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I'll be getting a little bit of money soon, so I'll just buy it when that comes in.
Anyways, I just did a full system wipe (each of CWM's wipes, as well as the DarkUnicorn wipe script ((since it was on my SdCard already)) but I'm still having the backlight issue.
Haven't even installed a single app yet; still trying to connect to the store to get TitaniumBackup.
Any other ideas?
PS) Still planning on making a LogCat, not sure if it'll help though
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What Kernal are you using, the default?
Yeah default
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Jaxas said:
What do you mean your phone got stuck?
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It won't boot up, I tried it on blackout ICS I'll try it on liquid now
OK I tried it on liquid smooth and this it was unable to chmod cause theres no file, I posted a screenshot in the nos thread
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N_otori0us_ said:
It won't boot up, I tried it on blackout ICS I'll try it on liquid now
OK I tried it on liquid smooth and this it was unable to chmod cause theres no file, I posted a screenshot in the nos thread
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NOS won't boot up or your phone won't?
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Also, back on the topic of this thread, are there any fixes for 4.2 roms turning the backlight back on after being locked?
It's a huge battery drain, and my biggest problem at the moment; any ideas would be most appreciated
lol actually I found out the problem. After I extracted it, ES File Explorer made a folder on my sdcard called "sdcard" with the install file in it. And I was stupid and ignored the fact that it should be on the root of the sdcard. Whoops lol.
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lol actually I found out the problem. After I extracted it, ES File Explorer made a folder on my sdcard called "sdcard" with the install file in it. And I was stupid and ignored the fact that it should be on the root of the sdcard. Whoops lol.
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Well at least it was an easy fix once you figured it out!
Anyways, I'm still having problems with the backlight staying on, but I should be able to provide that LogCat today at some point.