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Understanding the root process

Hi all,
I am interested in trying custom roms for various reasons on my G2. With the recent breakthrough in allowing full root, now seems to be a good time to try.
What I don't seem to be grasping is the whole process so, here is what I think* needs to be done, and I'd appreciate a more seasoned person to set me straight
1. Obtain full root via RAGE or oneclick Visionary method
2. Install RomManager
3. Obtain Rom
Here is where I kind of get blurry on the whole topic.
Once I have the files needed, Does RomManager do a nandroid backup so I can revert back in case I want to revert back to stock? Is this how I would revert back to stock or do I need to find the original pre or post OTA rom for the g2?
Does a program like Titanium Backup allow me to backup all of my apps and settings so they are easily restored no matter the rom, or if I revert back to stock?
Thanks in advance all, I have been reading every subset of these forums but I still feel a bit scared to try and wanted to get the facts straight before trying. I'm mostly just concerned that I wouldnt be able to revert back to stock if I had to.

gjm777 said:
Once I have the files needed, Does RomManager do a nandroid backup so I can revert back in case I want to revert back to stock? Is this how I would revert back to stock or do I need to find the original pre or post OTA rom for the g2?
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rom manager can perform the backup, wipe, and install of a new ROM all in one go, you just need to tell rom manager where the ROM is on the sdcard and it will ask if you want to backup and/or wipe first
gjm777 said:
Does a program like Titanium Backup allow me to backup all of my apps and settings so they are easily restored no matter the rom, or if I revert back to stock?
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i do not know if titanium backup will restore the settings within the apps, but the backed up apps will work on any custom ROM you install on your phone.

Thank you for making that more clear!
So when wiping for a new rom, you want to wipe the cache, and do a full system wipe as well?
Lastly, now that I have the stock g2 rom backed up (did it manually via recovery, not in the rommanager app) I can flash as many roms I want to try them, but really can revert back to stock based on that backup. I guess what I'm saying is, I dont have to revert to stock before trying out a new rom right?
Thanks again, this is a huge help!

With your ROM backed up, that's essentially a "screenshot" of the state of your phone at that time. So yes, you can jump from ROM to ROM, clearing data, and whenever you're ready to go back to stock, you just restore your stock ROM and pretend nothing happened.
And yes, I recommend wiping everything when flashing a new ROM. Although if you're coming from the same type of ROM (I.E HTC Sense to another HTC Sense) you can probably get away with not wiping data.
And with Titanium Backup, I do reckon that settings are kept. When you restore apps, you're given the option to restore the app or app+data.
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Perfect,
Thanks for the help all, much appreciated.

New flashing rom

If I flash a new rom using rom manager will the previous one be gone? I want no part of what I have right now if I go to another rom
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it will be gone as far as use but if you want to delete it you'll have to do so manually
Runnin nero+dow

Yeah what I mean is I'm running Axura right now and if I went to another rom I don't want that new rom being bugged and looking like auxura will that happen?
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Odin back to stock before flashing another rom that's the best way to make sure nothing is left over I always flash fresh from stock and I don't have any problems also if you have voodoo installed make sure you dissable it before anything else cause your going to have a headache trying to remedy that situation
Runnin nero+dow+oclf

odin is not necessary. all the roms for the vibrant wipe system and data, so flashing with clockwork is good enough.
however, undo lagfixes. some cause problems if not disabled, others don't.

Got it! Thanks

I am unable to flash a different rom over Axura??? i have no lag-fixs. When i go through rom manager, it just reboots the system still in axura? Im stumped and would appreciate any help.

lexic0n said:
I am unable to flash a different rom over Axura??? i have no lag-fixs. When i go through rom manager, it just reboots the system still in axura? Im stumped and would appreciate any help.
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You need to flash clockwork recovery from rom manager then do it and on the recovery mode if it doesn't do it auto click reinstall package

i will try that, thankyou very much; however my newest problem is that i cannot put the rom on my phone. when i try to copy from my computer and paste to phone, i get "Cannot copy BionixFinal_R1_Stock: The parameter is incorrect" wft is that!? lol

Umm when you do that do you mount your phone and if you have titanium backup when you go on your computer do you see that titanium backup is there as a folder?
if you put it where titanium backup folder isn't your putting it on te external part and then it wont work.
Besides that it might be your computers problem search that error in Google without the bonix part

ROM Manager question

Ok so I DLed ROM Manager to my epic and hit "back up ROM". I now have a backup with todays date under the Clockwork mod folder on my SD.
1. Am I all backed up? If wiped phone and re flashed I could get my angry bird levels back?
2. If I switch to a different ROM, can I still use this backup?
3. If I do restore, how do I do it? Thru CWM?

durrett syndrome said:
Ok so I DLed ROM Manager to my epic and hit "back up ROM". I now have a backup with todays date under the Clockwork mod folder on my SD.
1. Am I all backed up? If wiped phone and re flashed I could get my angry bird levels back?
2. If I switch to a different ROM, can I still use this backup?
3. If I do restore, how do I do it? Thru CWM?
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In my experience with Rom Manager, it doesn't work with the epic.

Backup your apps with Titanium backup.

I suggest doing both rom manager and titanium backup
Just in case.

If you go to a differemt rom you could restore all apps in clockwork by going into advanced restore under cwm and choosing to restore only /data however with some roms that's not recommended and could cause issues. If you restore the whole backup through cwm then it would overwrite whatever rom you have loaded.
With titanium backup you can backup just individual applications and restore their data or data and the app itself so as someone else said above that's your best bet.
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futureprospect said:
In my experience with Rom Manager, it doesn't work with the epic.
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Backing up with rom manager is literally backing up with clockwork mod. ROM manager just reboots the phone into cwm and makes the backup there. Clockwork mod backups have always worked for me.

When I tried to use ROM Manager it wouldn't work properly. Someone a while ago complained that booting into cwm with the app causes errors. I wouldn't rely on the app at all if I were you.
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Manually boot into cwm and backup, the app doesnt work properly. I tried backing up a rom and it said it was backed up after 10 seconds. The rom file was 3 mbs...the backup should be near 100, if not more.
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Gotta add my cold water here. ROM manager has been less than useless for me, screwing up things every time I've tried it.
Stick to backing up the entire system from CWM, and a full backup via Titanium to have access to individual apps as needed. This has always worked for me, and many others here.
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So if I ODIN my phone with a new modem and flash a completely different rom, I can still restore with a backup made with a different ROM? Thanks.

durrett syndrome said:
So if I ODIN my phone with a new modem and flash a completely different rom, I can still restore with a backup made with a different ROM? Thanks.
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Technically, yes, but it is not recommended. Restoring data when moving between roms is usually when errors start happening. Also Rom manager does not work with the epic so there is probably no data in the file it created. You would have to boot into clockwork mod and backup from there.or use titanium backup and then restore just the apps when you switch roms.
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Just my 2 cents...everyone here keeps saying to use Titanium, give Mybackup Root a try. Its free and has a good UI. Titanium seems to make it more complicated than it needs to be.
Other than that, the other posts here are correct, it doesnt matter what ROM you are running when you make or restore a backup, apps and their data will transfer and restore just fine, BUT like stated by others, system data does not always play well between ROMs and in my opinion you are better off not trying to restore that when you switch between ROMs...has given me more than one headache.

+1 on MyBackup Root. I find it to be more user friendly and just as effective as Titanium as well. I make a backup of everything (apks,data,photos,system settings, etc) at 4am everyday while I'm asleep. I plan on sticking with ACS so this is just a security net since they still do not use journaling. However if I want to try a different rom I can always choose to restore only the apks from the backup file.

The epic has not gotten rom manager support yet so it doesn't work and cwm can fail if you are switching between cm7 and acs cwm will give you a md5 mismatch so I had to re flash acs then restore data. So use titanium to restore apps.
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Ack! Rom Manager killed my root!

I rooted with z4 a few months ago. Today I got the bright idea to install Rom Manager to play around with. I clicked clockworkmod recovery without really thinking (or knowing what it does). Now Titanium Backup doesn't work because it says I'm not rooted.
I uninstalled Rom Manager but that didn't help. I tried rerooting with z4 but it only crashes.
What did I do and how do I undo it?
HELP.......

Soundchasr said:
I rooted with z4 a few months ago. Today I got the bright idea to install Rom Manager to play around with. I clicked clockworkmod recovery without really thinking (or knowing what it does). Now Titanium Backup doesn't work because it says I'm not rooted.
I uninstalled Rom Manager but that didn't help. I tried rerooting with z4 but it only crashes.
What did I do and how do I undo it?
HELP.......
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Please try this in order
1st. You can run a restore if you have clockwork recovery
2nd. Use alternative SU if you just need to restore file
3rd. Worst come to worst, backup your data and install ROTO rom / Clock Work Rom..

Thanks. I'll give it a try tonight.
1. So, if I reinstall Rom Manager I should be able to do a restore?
Is there a good ROM that works with Rom Manager that I could install that would give me back root and also a new ROM?

Soundchasr said:
Thanks. I'll give it a try tonight.
1. So, if I reinstall Rom Manager I should be able to do a restore?
Is there a good ROM that works with Rom Manager that I could install that would give me back root and also a new ROM?
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That really depends on what version Tab you have.
Currently for GSM devices, Overcome seems to be the ROM of choice, and I do not believe Alter has it able to update via Rom Manager.
I can't speak for CDMA devices, I don't own one.

btyork said:
That really depends on what version Tab you have.
Currently for GSM devices, Overcome seems to be the ROM of choice, and I do not believe Alter has it able to update via Rom Manager.
I can't speak for CDMA devices, I don't own one.
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Ok, I'm running Verizon CDMA.

I coudn't root with z4root(it kept crashing), but oneclickroot (free on the market) worked like a charm.
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I reinstalled ROM manager but there's no way to "undo" whatever the heck I did.
Is there a way to go back to stock?
I'm not sure why but the whole system is really slow now...

I just want to get back to stock (before ROM Manager and Clockwork). How do I do this?

Soundchasr said:
I just want to get back to stock (before ROM Manager and Clockwork). How do I do this?
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You will need the original firmware + modem file etc and flashed it via heimdal and odin but that may be is last alternative you want to consider.
I am not sure if the default stock is able to reset, i have never try before but it should be able to.
Try this:
1. Switch off your tab
2. Open up your tab by pressing power and sound up
3. you should be able to see the recovery (i am not sure about this part for default stock)
4. there should be an option to do a factory reset (Make sure your current stock is default ROM)
Hope it helps.

Ok, I did what you said. Here's what I see:
Android System Recovery <3a>
Samsung Recovery Utils
- for BML -
reboot system now
apply sdcard: update.zip
wipe data/factory reset
wipe cache partition
I'm not sure what to do now. I don't really want to erase all my data......
I'd gladly install a new ROM instead of going to stock. I'm just in a limbo state now (clockworkmod, no root and really slow system) and I'm not confident that I know enough to do the flash).
Where are the instructions for stupid people?

backup and restore to another note3? rooted

i will be handing over my work note 3, it is rooted, custom rom and kernel + twrp recovery
then buying same for personal use, providing i do full backup using twrp, can i then restore on new one (of course i will root and install same recovery ver first) ??

vadimo said:
i will be handing over my work note 3, it is rooted, custom rom and kernel + twrp recovery
then buying same for personal use, providing i do full backup using twrp, can i then restore on new one (of course i will root and install same recovery ver first) ??
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Be careful to untick the EFS partition before restoring. Just in case make a backup of EFS on the new phone before.
After restoring you will have to change the Android ID on the new phone. Use Titanium Backup to do it. If you will flash another rom on the old phone then its Android ID will change and you may leave the new phone as is.
That is all.

svbarbosa said:
Be careful to untick the EFS partition before restoring. Just in case make a backup of EFS on the new phone before.
After restoring you will have to change the Android ID on the new phone. Use Titanium Backup to do it. If you will flash another rom on the old phone then its Android ID will change and you may leave the new phone as is.
That is all.
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ahh ok... learning something new... thank you
- EFS, will do as you suggested
- Android ID? i will have to read on this one, i do have paid titanium backup ver. The phone, i will handing in back to employer and will just flash latest stock firmware/rom on it.
I think incase of problems i will make a backup of the apps using titanium, if i have to start from scratch, at least i have my apps to restore.

vadimo said:
ahh ok... learning something new... thank you
- EFS, will do as you suggested
- Android ID? i will have to read on this one, i do have paid titanium backup ver. The phone, i will handing in back to employer and will just flash latest stock firmware/rom on it.
I think incase of problems i will make a backup of the apps using titanium, if i have to start from scratch, at least i have my apps to restore.
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Android ID is a key generated when you clean install a rom used by Google and some apps to identify a phone.
If you will flash stock on your old phone don´t worry about it.
Anyway if you open Titanium menu you will see Your Device -> Manage Android ID.
Have fun.

svbarbosa said:
Android ID is a key generated when you clean install a rom used by Google and some apps to identify a phone.
If you will flash stock on your old phone don´t worry about it.
Anyway if you open Titanium menu you will see Your Device -> Manage Android ID.
Have fun.
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Thanks again

Please let us know if you succesfully restore the backup on the new phone. I believe it should be no problem but seriously I have no gut to do that

Rosli59564 said:
Please let us know if you succesfully restore the backup on the new phone. I believe it should be no problem but seriously I have no gut to do that
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i am not sure if i will do this now as i am getting random shutdowns and reboots every day or so, i thought it was because the ultimate kernel was unstable and changed to Compulsion Kernel and still get these issues.
So i will have to build from scratch new phone! Would of loved to just backup and restore, really cant be bothered mirroring all settings and apps again!