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[Q] MT3GS on Rogers

I just bought a My Touch 3G Slide on eBay. I got it unlocked in an hour using cellunlock.net for $10 and got it all setup. However, now I'm noticing that it never goes into 3G, just EDGE.
I searched to find if it could even work with Rogers' 3G network and I'm even more confused. So does it work with Rogers' 3G?
I've also seen posts that it works on HSPA. I've used the APNs for Rogers' HSPA and still I'm getting just EDGE. Do I have to update my radio, use CM6 or something?
Sorry, I'm new to the MT3GS. I have a MT3G/Magic and I thought the new one would be pretty much the same except with a keyboard.

I *think* that Roger's uses the AT&T bands for 3G, not T-Mobile. Sorry.

h.nocturna said:
I *think* that Roger's uses the AT&T bands for 3G, not T-Mobile. Sorry.
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thats correct, Att and Rodgers uses the 1900mhz band and the mt3gs only has the 1700 NA band and the 850/2100mhz EU bands

That sucks. So it won't work on HSPA either then? I though Rogers offers one of those USB modems that works on 2100MHz HSPDA. Will that work with the MT3GS?

kapernando said:
That sucks. So it won't work on HSPA either then? I though Rogers offers one of those USB modems that works on 2100MHz HSPDA. Will that work with the MT3GS?
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It has the 2100mhz band, but that is so you can have 3G when you go to europe. Rogers only broadcasts 1900mhz in CA.

Damn. Oh well, my wife won't know the difference between EDGE and 3G anyway. Thanks.

sorry i don't belong in this forum but how do you guys explain the g1 having 3g then its a tmobile phone does it have a att frequency for no reason?

Rogers actually sold G1s so they probably got their own version that will work on their network.
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kapernando said:
Rogers actually sold G1s so they probably got their own version that will work on their network.
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unlocked g1's from the US work on rogers network.

Beats me. The myTouch 3G Slide I got from the US works too just not on 3G but on Edge.
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OK, I finally get that the frequency band is a hardware thing and that Rogers and T-Mobile use different bands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
So is it possible to change the actual cell phone radio chip and write a ROM that will work with it? I realize it's crazy, but with all the Android development going on, you'd think someone would have tired to get some device that only worked with T-Mobile to work on At&t.

DHD 3G in US?

Is it like the HD2 or will It be 3G on AT&T?
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I really like to know the same... if the DHD can get At&t 3g,,, I will get rid of my Vibrant in no time....

The DHD operates in these bands:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G (HSPA/WCDMA) will not work because USA uses 850MHz/1900MHz bands for 3G. GSM will work everywhere.

I got an HD2 t9193 destined for Australia which worked here.
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wonderwout said:
The DHD operates in these bands:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G (HSPA/WCDMA) will not work because USA uses 850MHz/1900MHz bands for 3G. GSM will work everywhere.
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USA doesn't use 850/1900 AT&T uses 850/1900.
T-Mobile is also in the USA, but they use the AWS 1900/2100 band for 3G.
And to answer th OP question, the European version of the DHD does not support any current 3G bands that any of the major US carriers use.

So what options for US users?
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What would you need the DHD for? You've got the Evo.
(Now I'm expecting you to start listing the differences...)

No, I have an Aria after my t9193 hd2 died last week (was 3g here in US and Europe). I was waiting for the dhd so its a stop gap. Or so u thought. I'm on ATT so looks like, if I want 3g, I either keep this or get the Galaxy (but I want sense). Or move to Verizon (not an option) .
Any ideas anyone?
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adwinp said:
What would you need the DHD for? You've got the Evo.
(Now I'm expecting you to start listing the differences...)
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Aside from the DHD being an all-around better device, Sprint sucks. Their "4G" network is slower than my T-Mobile 3G. Not to mention I pay $60/month with T-Mobile and the cheapest Evo plan is $90/month.
ekerbuddyeker said:
No, I have an Aria after my t9193 hd2 died last week (was 3g here in US and Europe). I was waiting for the dhd so its a stop gap. Or so u thought. I'm on ATT so looks like, if I want 3g, I either keep this or get the Galaxy (but I want sense). Or move to Verizon (not an option) .
Any ideas anyone?
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If you want a high-end Android device you have the Captivate, and that's about it for AT&T. Unfortunately AT&T put all their eggs in one basket with the iPhone so their Android lineup suffers. You could always go to T-Mobile and get the G2

Does this mean that the phone will not work at all (e.g. cant make or receive calls or txts) or does it mean that you can't use data via 3G (just means you have to use wi-fi)?

mentalinc said:
Does this mean that the phone will not work at all (e.g. cant make or receive calls or txts) or does it mean that you can't use data via 3G (just means you have to use wi-fi)?
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It means no 3G data in the US. The phone still supports 850/900/1800/1900 for 2G networks so you'll be able to do calls, texts, MMS, and even data. It's just that you'll be on Edge instead of 3G.

PERHAPS THERE will be a Telstra version?

ekerbuddyeker said:
PERHAPS THERE will be a Telstra version?
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I wish but this time I am afraid our luck is a little short unlike last time for the HD2 . Let's just hope that HTC will bring out a much more powerful device sometimes in Q1 2011 for users with 3G (850/1900Mhz)

Any NYC T-Mobile USA owners getting 3G using 1900MHz/850MHz HSPA+ 84?

Any NYC T-Mobile USA owners getting 3G on their Samsung galaxy note using 1900MHz/850MHz HSPA+ 84?

The Note would need to have the 1.7 Ghz Module accessible, while the hardware is capable, the drivers/software has not been developed to allow support. You need both 2.1 GHz and 1.7GHz to make T-Mobile 3g work. 1700MHz band (actually its 1710MHz -1755MHz) is the upload freq, and the 2100MHz band (2110MHz - 2155MHz) the download. You need both or T-Mobile will kick the phone into Edge only(850Mhz).

What is this I don't even...
The Note is not an AWS-capable device, and the hardware does not support it. Band IV (AWS) will never work. Ever.

Croak said:
The Note is not an AWS-capable device, and the hardware does not support it. Band IV (AWS) will never work. Ever.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1400816
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1395971

Spartan2x said:
The Note would need to have the 1.7 Ghz Module accessible, while the hardware is capable, the drivers/software has not been developed to allow support. You need both 2.1 GHz and 1.7GHz to make T-Mobile 3g work. 1700MHz band (actually its 1710MHz -1755MHz) is the upload freq, and the 2100MHz band (2110MHz - 2155MHz) the download. You need both or T-Mobile will kick the phone into Edge only(850Mhz).
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i don't think you guys understood what he was saying
T-Mobile is supposedly testing out non-aws band for their data service and he's simply asking if anyone has tried it in nyc
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/17/2642763/t-mobile-3g-1900-iphone-hspa-84

read what the OP wrote, think about it, read it again because you just skimmed it the first time, think about it a lot harder, read it one more time for good measure and realize your response wasn't applicable, move on to the next thread..
Do that before responding guys.....
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ph00ny said:
i don't think you guys understood what he was saying
T-Mobile is supposedly testing out non-aws band for their data service and he's simply asking if anyone has tried it in nyc
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/17/2642763/t-mobile-3g-1900-iphone-hspa-84
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+1 for reading what the OP wrote before responding
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If someone was getting T-Mobile 3G on the 1900 band, don't you think someone would have posted it by now?

Nope. I'm still only getting EDGE in/near NYC. And slow EDGE at that.
I've been switching back and forth between my T-Mobile SIM and an AT&T mvno SIM. I'm getting decent speeds with the latter but dreaming T-Mobile will come through with the 1900mhz 3G.

Any updates on this? Some markets like Pittsburgh have this already right?

I keep hearing end of the year. My understanding is that T-Mobile is working to get current 2G users off the 1900Mhz band before refarming can occur. They had a pilot program in a couple of markets and there was some rumbling of a national rollout of that program possibly in September. I follow this very closely and there is still nothing concrete. I just asked about this in a T-Mobile store and they said they are expecting further information, but nothing yet, They are moving as quickly as they can as they need the iPhone and can't get it until the refarm is done.

[T-Mobile] AT&T 3G Roaming Agreement with T-Mobile & Network Refarm

So...it's probably safe to say that everyone in this forum knows about the 7 year roaming deal that AT&T has signed with T-Mobile. Does anyone have any ideas on when that will happen? And the big question...will the iPhone technically be able to be used on 3G with T-Mobile? Yes, it would only work while roaming, but would it not work for some reason? A T-Mobile rep brought up the question and I thought it was a good question. I'd like it to bring in revenues for T-Mobile...but I love my fast speed I get with T-Mobile, and 10 gazillion iPhones would do nothing but harm for that.
**Updated** Please, if anyone can check their Android phone (via *#0011#) and post if it says band II along with the city you're in at the time that it shows it! We need to find out which cities have been refarmed to 1900MHz for 3G/4G.
So, go forth and discuss

List of pentaband UMTS devices:
T-Mobile Galaxy S II (T989)
Nokia N8 and N9
T-Mobile Vibrant (T959)
Galaxy Nexus (HSPA version)
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It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.

synaesthetic said:
It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.
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It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol

Trevnerdio said:
It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol
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The OP specifically asked about the iPhone, which is unable to get 3G on T-Mobile's network. So if an AT&T iPhone were to roam on T-Mobile's network, it would not get 3G speeds.
Edit: The Galaxy Nexus is also pentaband, and so are the Nokia N8 and N9. The original Vibrant is also pentaband.

The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL

Longcat14 said:
The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL
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Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!

synaesthetic said:
Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!
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Skyrocket has a more advanced modem.
Well, it's really just the T-Mobile radio with LTE slapped into it, so yes, I do have 42.2Mbps.

has anyone tried the AT&T skyrocket on T-Mobile? Does it support HSPA+ AWS? AFAIK, only LTE works on AWS for this phone.

Thanks everyone for the phones. I've been busy and couldn't really update the thread. The current gen iPhone doesn't have AWS, yes, but since the roaming agreement is UMTS, wouldn't that allow T-Mobile devices that have the ability to roam on 850/1900 bands the ability to connect to their 3G network? So jailbroken iPhones that are activated on T-Mobile could roam over to AT&T 3G, it's just that it isn't likely that AT&T would allow it.
Am I right in my assumption?

I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.

synaesthetic said:
I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Thanks for the heads up. And when the others in the thread said the Galaxy Nexus, they were referring to the European version, correct?
Edit: it's 700/1700 for LTE and then the normal AT&T bands for WCDMA

synaesthetic said:
I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.

I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???

Lucasmpinelli said:
I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???
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It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.

Longcat14 said:
Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.
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You can do that?

I2IEAILiiTY said:
You can do that?
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Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.

Longcat14 said:
It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.
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Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.

Longcat14 said:
Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.
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Oh, so that's only on the skyrocket...

cephasara said:
Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.
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I've heard that T-Mo is doing some spectrum refarming on the PCS band...in other words, 3G is starting to pop up in certain markets on the 1900MHz band

USA unlocked with LTE?

will the N7100 or the N7105 work on Tmobile or AT&T's 4G? and will it work on Tmobile's HSPA+?

No LTE on international version.
You can get H+ on AT&T I know.. Not sure about tmo
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So what you're saying is there is no LTE chip in the international version, correct?

I'm using the international one on the AT&T. Just have the H+ only but speed is good.
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nmhung100 said:
I'm using the international one on the AT&T. Just have the H+ only but speed is good.
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Yep. I was contemplating selling mine and getting the LTE version (on contract) but HSPA+ is fast enough for Netflix in HD. Fast enough for me! Don't need the carrier bloat, contract extension and battery reduction.

I'm getting 5-8 Mbps down and 750-1,000 kbps up on Tmo in NYC with my N2.
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so what would you guys say? should I go for the Tmo version for LTE or international and skip the carrier bloat? I only have a 3G phone right now, is the increase in speed of LTE over HSPA+ a big enough deal? also will the international version work on Tmo HSPA+ or only on AT&T?

U should consider on battery consumption..i heard lte using high consumption battery..better ask community from att for note 2 thread it self..
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theoilman said:
so what would you guys say? should I go for the Tmo version for LTE or international and skip the carrier bloat? I only have a 3G phone right now, is the increase in speed of LTE over HSPA+ a big enough deal? also will the international version work on Tmo HSPA+ or only on AT&T?
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Uhh... if you want to use it on T-Mobile expect 2G speeds unless you're in an area where they've started or finished the 1900 MHz refarm (even if they do, it'll be pretty much limited to a city or county, but anywhere else you won't get 3G/HSPA speeds at all)
here's a link to a website with reported sightings of 1900MHz refarm on T-Mobile:
http://www.airportal.de/
Also, the T-Mobile version of the Note II has support for AT&T HSPA as its HSPA radio is a pentaband (so it'll work pretty much everywhere else on HSPA), also the radio of the T-Mobile version is DC-HSPA, or more commonly known as HSPA 42mbps whereas the Internaltional and AT&T versions have HSPA radios with support for only 21mbps. The T-Mobile version also has LTE bands for AT&T and the eventual T-Mobile LTE network, but is currently DISABLED in the software, so we'll have to wait to get that unlocked (I also heard there'll be requirement of a LTE SIM card, but I can't say that for a fact yet).
In essence, if you're going to spend ~$700, get the T-Mobile one, at least you'll have warranty, better signal on HSPA, LTE support later for T-Mobile and AT&T, and as a result, you'll get a better resale value when its time.

I'm using an unlocked TMIB on at&t and there's no LTE
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ekerbuddyeker said:
I'm using an unlocked TMIB on at&t and there's no LTE
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I wonder if that's because it lacks the right bands or just because it's disabled in the software?

achusaysblessyou said:
Uhh... if you want to use it on T-Mobile expect 2G speeds unless you're in an area where they've started or finished the 1900 MHz refarm (even if they do, it'll be pretty much limited to a city or county, but anywhere else you won't get 3G/HSPA speeds at all)
here's a link to a website with reported sightings of 1900MHz refarm on T-Mobile:
http://www.airportal.de/
Also, the T-Mobile version of the Note II has support for AT&T HSPA as its HSPA radio is a pentaband (so it'll work pretty much everywhere else on HSPA), also the radio of the T-Mobile version is DC-HSPA, or more commonly known as HSPA 42mbps whereas the Internaltional and AT&T versions have HSPA radios with support for only 21mbps. The T-Mobile version also has LTE bands for AT&T and the eventual T-Mobile LTE network, but is currently DISABLED in the software, so we'll have to wait to get that unlocked (I also heard there'll be requirement of a LTE SIM card, but I can't say that for a fact yet).
In essence, if you're going to spend ~$700, get the T-Mobile one, at least you'll have warranty, better signal on HSPA, LTE support later for T-Mobile and AT&T, and as a result, you'll get a better resale value when its time.
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thanks for the info! I'll prob get the tmobile version after all. I am in a refarm area according to your link, but I wouldn't want to be restricted to my area and lose good speeds when I drive somewhere else.

achusaysblessyou said:
In essence, if you're going to spend ~$700, get the T-Mobile one, at least you'll have warranty, better signal on HSPA, LTE support later for T-Mobile and AT&T, and as a result, you'll get a better resale value when its time.
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ekerbuddyeker said:
I'm using an unlocked TMIB on at&t and there's no LTE
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Exactly, achu, are you sure it's possible to get LTE working on T889 on AT&T's network in the future? Please be certain when you state so, because we already have enough mis-info here on the forum thanks to the Samsung's decision on making *this* many variants. (already 14 or so)

Guys, I have the tmo version. This thing is amazing, and now I'm thinking of buying another one to send to my brother in the philippines. Not sure which would be the best model to buy, tmo US version or international version? Anyone from the phils who can cobfirm the bands use and iis it hspa or lte or something else??
Thanks
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Please Help
doubledragon said:
I'm getting 5-8 Mbps down and 750-1,000 kbps up on Tmo in NYC with my N2.
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I have an international N2 bought in France (N7100XXALIH), and I am having trouble to get the H+ in Atlanta with tmo even though it's fairly well covered. I am stuck with Edge (which is quite frustrating) and tried to flash a few radios without any success. The tech guy from tmo told me that only tmo-N2 can use H+ so what you wrote is encouraging. Did you guys use a specific modem? Or did it work straight out of the box? Please help.

Just put your phones mode to wcdma it will only force h+ settings> moresettings>mobile networks > network mode choose wcdma if ur area has h+ it will pick it up otherwise no signal wont default to edge
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Nyxagamemnon said:
Just put your phones mode to wcdma it will only force h+ settings> moresettings>mobile networks > network mode choose wcdma if ur area has h+ it will pick it up otherwise no signal wont default to edge
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I did this already and, as you mentioned, the phone defaults to no signal if no h+ is fetched, and is rendered unusable. However, my friend is able to pickup the h+ network with much more ease using a tmo GN1 (both phones operate on WCDMA in this case). So I suspect something with the radio rather than the hardware, no strong statement here. I tried to flash icsblaze and others without any success (actually had to recover my system several times due to major crash). Are there any tmo radios available for Jelly Beans?