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Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
http://apcmag.com/iphonelike_htc_touch_hd_set_for_aussie_launch.htm
http://www.expansys.com.au/d.aspx?i=173812
Well that would suck for me because about 3 hours ago I got an iPhone because I really needed 3g already I do ally of browsing and videos but I like the touch he better....
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
Lokosis said:
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
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The Touch HD that is out now operates on UMTS 900/2100. Telstra in Australia and the North American providers (except T-Mobile) use UMTS 850.
hopefully it is just some software that HTC did. cuz we do have that option to change it to 850MHz 3G in the phone but just nothing happens to it. If a flash can fix it then it should be ok. EDGE for me is pretty fast anyways in Toronto most of the time.
b-e-a-s-t said:
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
850/1900Mhz....
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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This is incorrect. With at&t you do not need both. With just 850mHz you will be more than fine.
Now with T-Mobile you would need both 1700 and 2100 not just 2100 or just 1700 both. Just more reason to hate T-Mobile.
I am ready to take the plunge and drop the $ for an HD. I also will switch my number back to at&t from verizon. I guessi cna say almost ready. I really dont want to spend $800 for no 3G
Does anyone know how hspa in Canada with Rogers/Fido works? i.e. are dual frequencies required or is 850MHz enough to get top speeds? Thanks...
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
Some carriers in the US and Canada use 850mhz such as AT&T and Rogers but they also use 1900mhz. It really depends where you live... Whiich city, state etc
1900mhz is growing in popularity in the states.
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Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Doesnt work
b-e-a-s-t said:
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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I can't remember which but one is used for uploading and one is used for downloading.
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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You are exactly right. YOu need both 1900 and 850mhz
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Sadly, no 3G for me.
You do not need both 1900 and 850. Its only tmobile that u need both frequenes but they use 1700 and 2100. As long as u have ether 850 or 1900 (depending on what freuency ur area uses) u will have 3g with at&t.
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
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McHale said:
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc
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Well I stand corrected then. This is good news then. Just need somebody in the US to buy a Telstra HD and see if it works. I guess it will be dependent on the area though. If you don't have 850mhz.
Lol i guess it took a senor member to say it for anyone to believe it. I only said it in the first page lol. Lets see what happens when the aus model comes out.
So it is decided then IF the Blackstone is introduced by Telstra and working on their 850MHz 3.5G Network THEN it has the opportunity to work in both the US on Att and Canada's Rogers/Fido...I will wait for this device, purchase it and let the board know if someone else doesn't beat me to it!
P.S. does someone think that this release may be with the Android OS for Telstra? It was the Telstra reps that were commenting at CES 2009 regarding Palm Pre and how the next Android phone that they were testing kicks it...who knows probably coincidence...
not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!
1. Nope. It's all hardware.
2. See above. Nope.
It's all edge, my friend!
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not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!
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The HTC HD2 will not use 3g in the US. But since the phone is so fast, browsing the internet using edge is faster then with 3G on a sony X1a (my last phone).
do you already have an HD2? Regardless of anything you've read thus far, 3G is hardware dependent. No USA 3G internal radio? No USA 3G.
If you don't already have one, just wait until next month because the HD2 is supposedly coming to Telstra (who operates on 850mhz 3G, just like AT&T). HTC have said that the HD2 is coming in Q1 2010 but it's more than likely going toward T-Mo (based on leaked pics) or other carriers other than AT&T.
ah well i was under the impression that the hardware was both same for euro and us releases and just the software controlling it was different...(and how come they didnt name it the T8582 vs the T8585 as with the HD1 standard for the 2 different radios?....how they gonna distinguish the different hardware HD2s?)
come next year i may just sell mine for the new one (testra one you said). i dont suppose that tmo one will work with att 3g as its on a worldwide 3g band huh.
truly is a nice phone no doubt still
T-Mo US operates on 1700mhz AND 2100mhz for 3G (someone correct me if im wrong...one for uplink and the other for downlink). ATT can operate on 850mhz OR 1900mhz. The European version only has 900mhz and 2100mhz. As you can see, if you use the HD2 in the US (t-mo or ATT) right now, you're restricted to only EDGE unless they both possess their respective 3G bands.
this is what someone on htcforums.com said to me...confirm? deny? reject? love? i guess im just receiving conflicting info as to why this guy would believe this then?
"What you are asking about is a software differentiation. According to PDADB.net, the HD2 US version is scheduled for March 2010. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2 ... us_htc_leo
The GSM version currently available is capable of T-Mobile US 3G frequencies; as T-Mo is the only US company to use WorldWide frequencies {2100MHz}. The version that is scheduled for March will be for AT&T frequencies. Since the hardware on these two versions are identical, you could flash a WorldWide version with a US version radio, & use a WW version with AT&T."
Your link doesnt work. I don't want to beat on a dead horse, but countless of T-Mo USA users have the HD2 and they could only have access to EDGE. Like I said, for T-Mo USA, their 3G has a split frequency (one for upload the other for download) that's why you need both 1700mhz and 2100mhz.
thats the link
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
bah oh well. the dude seems adamant that it will work...
ah here we go, this was the comparison i was looking for
USA
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
other
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&view=1&c=htc_hd2_t8585_htc_leo_100
this on HTC's site
Europe: Network Bands
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
Asia Pacific:
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
which means it can work here no? since USA att 3G is 850 or 1900?
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz <--3G
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <-- EDGE
Your problem is that you're looking at the voice/2G/EDGE bands. The HD2 is a quadband phone, so you can pretty much use it anywhere in the world. Your original question was regarding 3G, which the HD2 does not support here in the USA (yet).
3G would be this line HSPA/WCDMA. See how it's only support 900/2100mhz?
GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...
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GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...
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GSM is voice and EDGE (data)
For ATT the key is 850mhz 3G as that what ATT has been adding, I don't believe they are doing any new 1900 towers. You can bing it there are lot's of articles about the iPhone congestion and changing/adding 850 towers. If we are lucky Telstra an, Australian carrier, will pick up the phone soon because they use the same 850 just like ATT. This is how people got the 3G on the HD(1) to work on ATT in the united states. HTCPedia posted a Telstra HD2 rom on Dec 9th, so hopefully they are close to releasing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html
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Network Bands2
Europe:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Asia Pacific:
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
I know its not under HSPA but it being GSM 850/1900 thought maybe it would.. my thought though and it maybe just stupidly true that it means it will work on att 2g.
-Charlie
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I know its not under HSPA but it being GSM 850/1900 thought maybe it would.. my thought though and it maybe just stupidly true that it means it will work on att 2g.
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I have a Telus Australia Touch HD that does 850/1900 and I get 3g on AT&T, because of the 850mhz. Theres no 850 in the 3g frequency set of the Nexus One, only for the 2g frequency set.
HSPA/WCDMA = 3G/3.5G
GSM = 2G/2.5G
The maximum level of service it will receive on AT&T is EDGE (2.5G), at least for this model. There may be a version of the Desire coming to AT&T including the 3G bands.
I figured as much, maybe the supposedly rumored nexus one FCC slight model change will have 3g for ATT. That was my only reason to possibly get the Desire over my amazingly fast nexus
-charlie
Telstra has confirmed the Desire with NextG (3.5G) which is on 850. Should be out early april
grrr. now its decision time...
-Charlie
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grrr. now its decision time...
-Charlie
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Keep in mind an imported Desire will probably cost a small fortune, not that the N1 isn't expensive (unlocked), but I'm sure the Desire will be a good bit more.
To give you some idea, an imported HD2 from Australia (works on 850 3G with AT&T, after being unlocked) runs about $750-800 at the lowest I've seen, with shipping. I'm not sure what other costs are involved when you factor in customs, etc. Then of course for warranty you'd have to rely on shipping back and forth between Australia, which is just a hassle.
I have purchased an imported phone previously (Telstra Touch HD), but I don't think I will be doing that again.
Multiple times ive looked up this phone in the past. Multiple times my dreams have been shut down because the frequency bands arent the same as Telus Canada. Multiple times have people told me, no, its impossible, wont happen. Then how come both the Windows Phone 7 and the dell venue pro site both have 1900/850 MHz EDGE? i realise EDGE isnt the fastest bug around but its much faster than GSM and its still is by definition 3G. and i was led under the impression that only GSM would work.
So what im wondering is that, ive heard that a new model for US is coming out in January, would the GSM/EDGE frequency be the same, just with 850/1900 UMTS difference?
And basically all i would be waiting for is a bamp from 3G to 3G+?
Telus 3G+
Telus in Nova Scotia HSPA+ network runs on 1900/850 (PCS/CLR). Its probably the same frequencies across the country.
I'm a new user, so I can't post links yet... however if you look at the telus mobility page and go to the Coverage tab, it'll tell you that they use 1900/850 for their 3G+
the wikipedia article on UMTS frequency bands also says telus uses 1900 and 850.
HSPA+ is part of the UMTS family. The Venue Pro lists UMTS 1900 and 850 as bands it can get... I'm assuming that means it can handle HSPA+
I'm just making assumptions, but it seems like the Venue Pro will run the HSPA+ network on Telus/Bell in Canada.
I sure hope it can, because I want a venue pro on telus myself!
Dont make a mistake, EDGE is NOT 3G and the frequencies the DVP uses for 3G, 900/1700/2100 will not give you 3G on the 850/1900 frequencies, that is for EDGE only.
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Dont make a mistake, EDGE is NOT 3G and the frequencies the DVP uses for 3G, 900/1700/2100 will not give you 3G on the 850/1900 frequencies, that is for EDGE only.
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That is correct.
Only 3 providers in Canada will enable you to get 3G with the Dell Venue Pro.
Those providers are Wind Mobile, Videotron and Mobilicity.
The phone supports AWS 1700, not UMTS 850 or 1900.
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The phone supports AWS 1700, not UMTS 850 or 1900.
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Ah! you're right. I looked at the phone specs again, and it listed GSM 1900, not UMTS 1900
well... that put a serious damper on my fun ... I really wanted one, but not if it can only do 2G around where I live.
Now to see what bands the omnia7 supports... I hope I don't have to settle for one of the ****ty phones released in canada. Seriously, we got all the worst ones.
Iv been waiting on the dell venue pro seeing to it was the only Decent phone that would work here Where i live at&t Alaska. now im screwed. Seriously, WE get all the worst phones here. sucks seeing all the High end phones pass you buy why everyone enjoys them WAAAAAAAAAaaaaAAA ! Best phone I believe i can own as of right now is LG EXPO its nice btw . I know u can get that in Canada
Hi, Just making sure this phone's 3G bands wouldn't work in W. Europe's 3G 2100 bands. Can anyone confirm? AWS is 1700/2100, which I think is upload/download. AFAIK, you would need the phone to do both upload and download in the 2100 region.
This phone works perfectly fine in europe on 3g.
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This phone works perfectly fine in europe on 3g.
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What makes you say that? Not that I know for sure either way, but I've just seen answers going in either direction. Some say yes, some no.
Here's what I know:
Most of W. Europe uses 3G 2100 (perhaps a little 900?).
This phone has bands listed as 1700/AWS/2100.
This phone uses Band IV (T-Mobile) which uses both 1700 and 2100 (one for upload and one for download I think).
When the phone is listed as "1700/AWS/2100", does that mean it will do both AWS *and* 1700 upload/download *and* 2100 upload/download? If so, then I'm golden. But, I think this phone only does AWS, meaning that one of the bands is dedicated to one data direction only, i.e. one upload and the other download. So, I'm inclined to believe it wouldn't work on 3G in Europe.
It DOES WORK in Europe!
The phone DOES work in Europe. I used it in Norway in December, France and Portugal in January.
The thing is be very careful no to roam data or it is going to cost you a fortune!!!
If you must roam data, take a look at http://xcomglobal.com/. I used their MiFI and simply loved it!
Hope this helps,
Q
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The phone DOES work in Europe. I used it in Norway in December, France and Portugal in January.
The thing is be very careful no to roam data or it is going to cost you a fortune!!!
If you must roam data, take a look at http://xcomglobal.com/. I used their MiFI and simply loved it!
Hope this helps,
Q
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Thanks for the reply, but did you see the H icon then, and not just the E icon while in Europe? I realize that EDGE/GPRS would work just fine for data, but 3G is still in question. Even HTC says this phone, which is equipped only with AWS (Band IV), will not work in Europe for 3G data. I'm moving to Europe soon, and I'd just as soon sell it here before I leave. Thanks...
WHat I remember is seeing an R icon to warn me about the roaming. I turn the data off almost immediately so I did not pay much attention to it. I am not back in Europe until the first week in March. I guess by then you will know the answer...
In Europe ... data not working w/ Euro SIM card
I'm in Germany with an unlocked MT4G and, while the calling feature works, the data/internet package does not. Per the carrier here (Tchibo/O2), they use the 1800 band which to my knowledge IS supported by the device.
Any ideas of why this isn't working would be appreciated ... of course more appreciated would be any ideas for a solution.
Cheers,
The phone works fine with AWS and 2100 bands.
AWS is 1700 MHz band.
The device ONLY supports AWS and 2100. It doesn't support 1800 (which doesn't even exist) or 1900 or any other bands.
This phone is quad band for voice and GPRS/EDGE data - meaning 800, 1900 for N. America and 900, 1800 for Europe. It does not support the 2100 3G band as found in Europe. 3G is only supported over the AWS band in N. America, which is *both* 1700 and 2100 simultaneously.
EDIT: It appears that the specs on this phone are somewhat ambiguous. The phone supports "1700/2100/AWS". It's not clear whether the phone supports BOTH Band I (Europe 2100) and Band IV (N. America 1700/2100). There are very sporadic reports that 3G does indeed work in Europe, and hence, Band I. There are other reports to the contrary. It could be that one group is right and one is wrong, and it could also be that there are multiple batches.
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This phone is quad band for voice and GPRS/EDGE data - meaning 800, 1900 for N. America and 900, 1800 for Europe. It does not support the 2100 3G band as found in Europe. 3G is only supported over the AWS band in N. America, which is *both* 1700 and 2100 simultaneously.
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Please set your facts straight / upgrade your knowledge.
AWS is using frequencies in 1700-ish and 2100-ish MHz range.
But:
2100 MHz is a separate band, found in Europe, as well as in most of the world.
It's supported by this phone, regardless of AWS.
I'm using it RIGHT NOW.
And it happens to be fully functional.
When phone specs refer to frequency, they actually refer to an operating band name.
MT4G technical specs state that it supports 1700 and 2100 bands - which are IV and I, respectively.
Thus, it works in Europe, using band I.
And I'm only referring to UMTS bands, not GSM.
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Please set your facts straight / upgrade your knowledge.
AWS is using frequencies in 1700-ish and 2100-ish MHz range.
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Nice edit! Looks like you've upgraded yourself too.
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I'm using it RIGHT NOW.
And it happens to be fully functional.
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...while others claim otherwise. See my "edit" above.
Jack_R1 said:
When phone specs refer to frequency, they actually refer to an operating band name.
MT4G technical specs state that it supports 1700 and 2100 bands - which are IV and I, respectively.
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Wikipedia isn't so great for supporting evidence. Also doesn't explain why the manufacturer lists the 3G specs as "1700/2100/AWS". The AWS is both ambiguous and redundant if the above were true.
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Nice edit! Looks like you've upgraded yourself too.
...while others claim otherwise. See my "edit" above.
Wikipedia isn't so great for supporting evidence. Also doesn't explain why the manufacturer lists the 3G specs as "1700/2100/AWS". The AWS is both ambiguous and redundant if the above were true.
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Yes, edited the post. My problem - sometimes the urge to make sure I'm not writing bullstuff occurs after I actually write some
I'll explain the sporadic reports: at least in part of Europe, the coverage is 900/2100 bands and not only 2100 band. In these cases, phones like Nexus One would work, but Mytouch 4G wouldn't. There is another Wikipedia link, list of UMTS carriers with their bandwidth, and you can see which countries are "affected". I remember for sure that France is.
Very few people are credible sources for reports.
First Google result for "Mytouch 4G specs":
http://mytouch.t-mobile.com/mytouch-3g-slide-phone-specifications
UMTS: Yes; Bands: 1700/2100
I don't see any mention of AWS and 1700 in the same place as 2 different bands. And I don't believe that specs should be taken from other sites, that aren't hosting official data. They're definitely not so great for supporting evidence
The phone is 100% working with 2100 band.
Fair enough. Although, it states directly on the box ----> "1700/AWS/2100". Therein lies the ambiguity and/or redundancy.
hi,
would 3G work in the UK with this phone? O2 in Uk uses 2100 W-CDMA so would it work?
Does anyone have it in the UK?
sorry if this is a stupid question.
Aiex Rlder said:
hi,
would 3G work in the UK with this phone? O2 in Uk uses 2100 W-CDMA so would it work?
Does anyone have it in the UK?
sorry if this is a stupid question.
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I use O2 in Ireland with my mt4g when I'm over there with no problems, however my O2 plan is pay as you go with no data so I cant comment on the data there.
I bought a one month PAYG data-only plan while in Sweden (Telia).
I was averaging 3-4mb downloads in areas where I got 3G reception (reception at my in-law's summer house, on the other hand, is a different matter).
I am going over to europe soon, i plan on just turning on wifi and starbucks hope all over faster than 3G
any more helpful insights anyone?
I believe you've got your answer.
The phone works with 2100 band, so you'll have 3G.