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Hi all,
I'm torn between Desire HD and Galaxy S. Sure the SGS is older, no flash, gps bugs etc, but just had my DesireHD in my hand and it's way too big and heavy. Also review are saying poor battery life.
I don;t mind if i dont have the newest model, as SGS fits nicely in my hand, don;t care much about the flash.
Some questions:
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
I know there's a lot going for SGS2 but don;t think that is coming anytime in next 6 months, which would give me plenty of tiem to accustom my self to Android from Winshite.
Cheers
CEPi said:
Hi all,
I'm torn between Desire HD and Galaxy S. Sure the SGS is older, no flash, gps bugs etc, but just had my DesireHD in my hand and it's way too big and heavy. Also review are saying poor battery life.
I don;t mind if i dont have the newest model, as SGS fits nicely in my hand, don;t care much about the flash.
Some questions:
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
I know there's a lot going for SGS2 but don;t think that is coming anytime in next 6 months, which would give me plenty of tiem to accustom my self to Android from Winshite.
Cheers
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1/ yes/no its not perfect for gps, lag is fixed with custom stuff
2/as per 1/ once fixed speed and all are pretty good
in a nutshell:
- gps isnt all that good even if its been vastly improved
- phone is very fast once fixed but battery life is slightly lower (should still be much better than the DHD in that area i guess..)
HTC Desire HD has inferior GPU, camera recorder, sound quality, display, etc..
I would recommend to wait a little.. For *an official large scale* Froyo release because the current JP6 (which was official for Scandinavia) suck in terms of performance.
If you browse a lot this can be very annoying. Applied voodoo lag fix => didn't fix stalls (lag) problems (yeah wiped data/cache)
Cons Froyo:
- browser issues: high RAM/CPU consumption. sometimes the phone stalls just having the stock browser opened on background. other big problem is the HIGH memory consumption combined with even less free RAM avaiable in Froyo. Many times the browser got self closed (even when it was active, in foreground!!) and/or applications in background (even the stock launcher)
- performance of stock launcher is not good if you have some amount of apps installed (eg: slide between apps pages, helicopter view, etc.. doesn't matter if you use live wallpers or not)
- laggy swype
- lags when scrolling in call history (I think I've got >= 500 entries)
- cannot say to much about gps, yesterday was the first time I've tested it in car.. and my position was completely not accurate. it may be also the software (igo) which lags a lot on froyo (in eclair it was ok), hardly you can set your destination.. it lags in menus too.
- again, even less ram available
Android issues:
- slow code execution (apps load time)
- high memory consumption
That's because of the internal design of Android... running the apps in a JVM . Why not native apps like WebOS, Maemo?
Those are the main issues I personally found very annoying in Froyo.. If you don't browse, don't write with skype (haven't tested with samsung keyword), don't use/like touch wiz lauchen, then the phone is quite good in terms of speed.
@bilboa1 aren't you experiencing those issues? Swithcing to a FS doesn't fix the bugs in the apps..
I have had my galaxy s for a couple of months and flashed to JP6 when it was out, I used it for a few days and then flashed back to eclair due to the same issues as you mention. Not being able to have anything 'minimized' to the background while browsing due to the amount of memory being used was a no no! Anyway, I have been seriously considering the desire hd myself, but the battery capacity has so far really put me off, I barely get 8 hours of life out of my galaxy on some days, so on a hd, it would be less than that I suspect. I keep looking around xda for posts to convince me not to get a desire hd, its slowly working, but not quite yet.
these are the fixes i applied for froyo which gives a (very) satisfying performance in my eyes:
(alls files can be found in the dev section)
- flash JM8 + 512 PIT
- flash JP6 + 803 PIT
- factory reset
- reboot in recovery
- flash ULF (universal lag fix)
- enable advanced lag fix ext4
- enable all tweaks
- enable BLN (backlight notification)
- enable root
- reboot - choose backup & restore (or not, since its factory, doesnt make a big diff), wait a bit
- copy battery mod for JP6 (version D for me) to /sdcard/
- copy stock android lock screen for JP6 to /sdcard/
- copy galaxy tab browser file to /sdcard/
- adb shell
$ su
# umount -oremount,rw /dev/block/stl9 /system
# cd /system/apps
remove some useless samsung apps to free space
replace the battery graphics
# cp /sdcard/framework-res.apk /system/framework/framwork-res.apk
do the same for lock screen, browser file.. (paths are specified, i don't remember them by heart)
# sync
# reboot
- in browser options, set the plugins to "on demand"
- in account sync options, disable auto sync (keep background data) - this alone doubles the battery life and doesnt make a real diff
- replace touchwizz by your launcher of choice, i personally use Launcher Pro Plus
- install "vignette" if you want higher quality pictures from the camera
about the gps:
- make sure you enable the function that let it use the wireless networks (agps)
- install compass and setup the compass as indicated when you start it, then quit
- enable sensors aiding for the gps, done
- it locks (very) fast
- its pretty accurate now
- it loses all satellites from time to time then relock so u lose a few seconds of tracking (the biggest/only real issue IMO)
enjoy
ps: the difference with the DHD, except hardware differences, is probably that the DHD won't neeed nearly as much handwork to work "properly".....
Thanks bilboa1 for your informative post but unfortunately this does not fix my problems.
I like TouchWiz launcher, it's very practical (used to be TouchPro fan too before ). Actually I find Samsung software implementations more useful per-total than HTC ones (HTC Sense, yes, I've been an HTCSense user in past)
Also, I've read that the galaxy tab browser lib doesn't fix the problem with high memory consumption, so didn't bothered to overwrite the file.
Browser has already plugins on demand. It doesn't make a difference if it's off or on-demand (in my tests with high memory consumption)..
If I disable auto sync how do I get my gmail, twitter, etc automatically? I've accidentally disabled it and didn't get any mail, twitter, etc automatically.
GPS lock is fast.. but not accurate here. Maybe it was the software (iGo)
Depends if you want a phone that just works or do you like tinkering and chance of file curruption every 3 weeks. Sgs schocking battery problems once you install a lag fix. In my experience when using oclf the sgs uses 15% of power per HR at Max of 3hrs usage on 3G. If using voodoo lag fix then power drains at 20-30‰ and about 2hr's at 3G. If I was you I would wait for something better and forget the sgs ever existed. I have heard the epic 4G is a good device with non of the sgs problems but sadly it's a cdma phone. Also HTC seems to release roms more frequently and there's better support for them. Also doesn't the desire HD use 2nd Gen snapdragon? Means clock for clock they (g2 @800MHz is said to be as fast in benchmarks as 1ghz hummingbirds )are faster and also froyo is already optimized for it unlike our poor hummingbird cpus
If I could I would in a second swap my sgs for a HTC desire HD or HTC g2
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I have voodoo lagfix on eclair. My battery drains 1.3% per hour on standby with 3G/data/sync=ON and many widgets that update hourly like weather, stock, facebook, twitter.
Active use with screen on and internet surfing battery drain is about 23% per hour which is kind of normal. My Iphone 3GS/HTC Touch HD also drain around this amount during active use.
So those with huge drain, the problem lies somewhere else (not with lagfix)
Galaxy battery is not bad at all for heavy users. My phone uptime of 20 hours with 3 hours of active use + 1 hr of call+(sync/widgets etc).
Light use should last for 2 days.
Don't do it man, life's worth living!!!
Seriously though, I've tried every bloody fix out there, every last tweak for the last 3 months... And I'm selling this pos as soon as I find a good deal. Granted, sometimes it's fast, but then it crashes... Sometimes the gps works, But then it gets confused... The mic is total ****, but the screen is beautiful, so you have nice colours to look at while it randomly cracks out.
If you don't want to wait, get the dhd and a couple extra batteries. Or, for smaller hands just get a bloody iphone or one of the older desire variants.
This hardware's great, the dhd's is better... And the software works!!! Hear that samsung!? It actually works!!!... Aside from the proximity sensor...
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Thanks a lot guys. Sorry to hear that basic problems are still persisting, even thought great effort has been made by community devs to iron them. I'll hold till next generation of phones come up in Q1 2011.
Cheers and good luck
CEPi said:
Thanks a lot guys. Sorry to hear that basic problems are still persisting, even thought great effort has been made by community devs to iron them. I'll hold till next generation of phones come up in Q1 2011.
Cheers and good luck
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Only phone I'd currently recommend is the iPhone 4. The SGS is still having some issues and doesn't work right out of the box. Guess we'll have to wait for gingerbread in order to get a version of android that just works.
I'm using stock kernel, no rooting, to lagfix, with latest available Firmware
I don't have any "lag" issue,
GPS works pretty good, fast fix, not that much "jerking around" and sharktooth when recording maps.
Camera is pretty much amazing, I can't realy beleive how much "night mode" works!
HD Video recording is pretty much tha bomb!
Works pretty sweet with my BlueTooth headset (S9-HD)
Gaming is amazing, fast and cool graphs!
it runs android, so you're not "controlled" by what the all mighty-all knowing Apple
So, I would definitively buy the same thing!
I don't know what some of these guys are talking about.
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
GPS has not been 'perfectly' fixed. A lot of people report different results. It has never worked well for me. Fortunately, on a personal level, I have never become over-dependent on GPS and am generally good with reading maps. I can use the GPS to get a general fix of where I am and use my eyes to figure out where to go.
Aside from GPS however - I can't think of any bugs that haven't been fixed. Almost every custom ROM includes its own lagfix, all of which work perfectly. I use darkyy's ROM and it comes with Voodoo, which is absolutely brilliant.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
Well, I kinda answered this above. The lagfixes are brilliant and do exactly what Samsung should have done themselves. My phone flies now without even needing a task killer.
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I often say that I would always recommend one out of 3 phones to anyone that asks depending on how technical they are. If they are a casual user that likes the latest hardware and biggest screens - get the DHD. If they are also a casual user that perhaps would prefer a slightly smaller and more compact phone, get the Desire Z. If they are a techie and want the best of everything (minus GPSlol) - get the SGS.
You sound like a techie. Unless you absolutely need GPS, get the SGS.
jp6 deodexed, zipaligned, 327meg kernel, advanced lagfix ext4, all tweaks.....gives me insane performance! applications load up instantly, its just as quick as it can ever get! no crashes no instability
just wished samsung would give us a stock rom which is as good as this!
GPS still sucks....little laggy, and sometimes inaccurate...not totally unusable though. samsung sure screwed up on the hardware, theres no doubt about that
dreamtheater39 said:
jp6 deodexed, zipaligned, 327meg kernel, advanced lagfix ext4, all tweaks.....gives me insane performance! applications load up instantly, its just as quick as it can ever get! no crashes no instability
just wished samsung would give us a stock rom which is as good as this!
GPS still sucks....little laggy, and sometimes inaccurate...not totally unusable though. samsung sure screwed up on the hardware, theres no doubt about that
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So basically SGS doesnt work correctly out of the box.
If I pay about 500euro for a phone, I definitly expect that it works flawless.
I wanted this phone badly, but after I have read all bad comments ill pass until they fix all bugs or maybe ill wait for another better Samsung phone (I love Super AMOLED)
i would go for the dhd...i have a sgs but to be honest its a great phone but samsung doesnt provide the support for their products...2.2 and a gps fix were supposed to come in september..then october...now november...the phone is only as good as the software on it, and while the sgs is a beast in terms of processor speed and screen, it lacks the support from samsung...it does lag, gps doesnt work at all for me....
DSF said:
Browser has already plugins on demand. It doesn't make a difference if it's off or on-demand (in my tests with high memory consumption)..
If I disable auto sync how do I get my gmail, twitter, etc automatically? I've accidentally disabled it and didn't get any mail, twitter, etc automatically.
GPS lock is fast.. but not accurate here. Maybe it was the software (iGo)
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I don't really notice a very high memory usage on the browser, maybe i don't browse enough i don't know
when you disable auto sync you still get email automatically (and instantly, via push), for the rest it depends on the apps settings, in my case they all still go get stuff every couple of hours
what sync disable however is contact synchronization, account settings, calendars, and things like that (= things i rly dont need sync more than once a week or smth personally, but i can imagine some ppl need their calendar sync to the minute)
in general battery issues are due to bad software installed on the phone, stock sgs battery life is pretty much incredible in my eyes (the lag bug is also pretty much incredible p)
ps: if i were to buy sgs again i'd do it no doubt. i can understand the less technically inclined going dhd. not without its flaws but no such thing as "lag bug" crap to fix hehe
raf2k said:
So basically SGS doesnt work correctly out of the box.
If I pay about 500euro for a phone, I definitly expect that it works flawless.
I wanted this phone badly, but after I have read all bad comments ill pass until they fix all bugs or maybe ill wait for another better Samsung phone (I love Super AMOLED)
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For some reason i thought the phone id cheaper than that.
Anyway the sgs is perfect. The gps is not as bas as people say. U can still get a lock on and go whatever u want. But honestly. I never tried the gps more thsn once to check if its working and its fine for me.
However. For games. For screen. Nothing and i mean nothing csn come close to sgs. Best screen hands down. Best gpu. All u need to is add voodoo or whatever ur like and ur ready to go. I love the dhd but i am a movie. Gamesband muic junkie. For that the sgs is perfect. Dont let the 4.3 screen fool u on dhd. Its almost the samwle quality as hd2 "there are videos in youtube as a proof even "
I say get what u want but for me. I love the phone for its performance and screen. And galaxy s is perfect
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It is very irritating to see every single 2.3.3 theme spammed with:
*where is the link? how to install it? you stink give us ROM now! Why is my screen al red? Why is my mother making me pay for my COOKED diner...*
So I've imagined this thread REVIEW ONLY. So post your reviews, no questions, no comments. We can open another thread questions/comments for this thread.
So I've tought some guidelines for reviews that everyone is asking, having problem with or just wish to know:
What doesn't work? (some people mentioned accelerometers, animations)
How did you install it? (give simple explanation, method you used, with or without bootloaders, etc)
Are there any problems so far? (beside if something is not working, FC-s, app incompability, etc)
General performances? (how fast is the rom, compare it with ROM you used before)
GPS? (no explanation necessary...)
Battery life? (ompare it with ROM you used before, what is the magnitude of battery drain?
Anything else.
I hope this thread is well accepted, I truly believe it is the best way to get all data everyone needs.
Thanx, CROrION
flashed stock + jvk bootloaders + speedmod k13d with heimdall
went into recovery and flashed the rom kitchen beta
then without rebooting rooted in cwm recovery
rebooted.
3D does not work properly
Browser is nicer
Smoother/faster
Theme is a little different
Other minor things I forget
This rom is still beta, samsung would be stupid to release it publicly
What doesn't work? (some people mentioned accelerometers, animations)
Nothing detected. Screen off old-TV-like animation is just a missing feature, removed by Samsung, not a bug.
How did you install it? (give simple explanation, method you used, with or without bootloaders, etc)
Odin + 502.pit + repartition (bootloader upgraded)
Are there any problems so far? Lower WiFi sensitivity/range than in JPY 2.2.1 stock ROM, probably new modem uses lower power to save battery at the cost of range.
General performances? (how fast is the rom, compare it with ROM you used before)
Fastest ever, some minor lags when installing multiple apps from the market, but acceptable.
GPS? (no explanation necessary...)
OK, as good as latest 2.2.1 stock roms
Battery life? (ompare it with ROM you used before, what is the magnitude of battery drain?
Battery life has never been better (only option changed: WiFi Sleep Policy, pure stock rom).
Anything else.
I installed it yesterday with 512 pit file and its ok its faster than js8 in my opinion and bit ram hungry still but not as much as jv1 was useing tottaly stock no mods and quite happy i expect it has disapounted many as it still looks likes froyo also had bit lag in gallery had no fc or major issues seems stable and useable thanks samsung
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For now, fastest ROM ever. No lags detected. Top bar is green-gray, looks better than in older version of GB. I've installed using odin, pit 512 and repartition.
3D Not Working Properly
No Ad Hoc Wifi Support
Still Lags
Many Apps gives force close
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2.2/ 2.2.1 is still better than this
Battery life is great ! Only had 2% in 8 hours.
Really smooth and lagfree (even before the hacked kernel from supercurio)
Like this ROM and will keep it for now
10 charrrr
What doesn't work? (some people mentioned accelerometers, animations)
- Everything Working accelerometer etc...just Gameloft Nova shows white screen, rest of all Gameloft 3D games RF2011,SC, MC2, BIA, Asphalt6 & many more (10+) works perfectly & better than any froyo. Could not install angry birds from market had to unmount ext SD, install & remount again. This way it works fine...
How did you install it? (give simple explanation, method you used, with or without bootloaders, etc)
- Odin + 512.pit + repartition (bootloader upgraded sbl version) + check bootloader upgrade in odin
Are there any problems so far? Lower WiFi sensitivity/range than in JPY 2.2.1 stock
- probably new modem uses lower power to save battery at the cost of range since wifi signal is slightly weaker but everything runs fine so no big deal.
General performances? (how fast is the rom, compare it with ROM you used before)
- Fastest ever, some minor lags when installing multiple apps from the market, but acceptable. So far its been 12 hours....not a single FC or problem, already installed like 40 apps from market....
GPS? (no explanation necessary...)
- As good as latest 2.2.1 stock roms
Battery life? (ompare it with ROM you used before, what is the magnitude of battery drain?
- Battery life has never been better (only option changed: WiFi Sleep Policy to sleep when screen off, pure stock rom).
iammodo said:
Okay a review well, I have had this on my phone second longest so should say something.
GPS works amazing locks on really fast.
Battery life is so much better then JPY or JS7
Fast booting
UI is very smooth to use.
not had any problems yet.
Right thats the pointless stuff out of the way
TV off animation yay best feature of gingerbread lol.
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You my freind are a star thank you for yesterday
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really happy with the rom , Great battery , Fast & Stable and no big problems occured. I like the theme and the new swype keyboard.
PS : people say 3d is not working? Working fine here. Please tell me which games? I wanna try
dehem333 said:
really happy with the rom , Great battery , Fast & Stable and no big problems occured. I like the theme and the new swype keyboard.
PS : people say 3d is not working? Working fine here. Please tell me which games? I wanna try
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+1 yes people are saying 3d not working, so What is not working?..as i posted in my review except for Nova every other 3D game is working fine...
NOVA totally not working at all, only shown the white screen....i thought only me which having that such of problem. rest of GL HD games are working fine.
Need For Speed Shift also not working on my device.. white screen
digitheatre said:
Need For Speed Shift also not working on my device.. white screen
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Have u tried updating it...since old version doesn't work on froyo either
Naeem786 said:
3D Not Working Properly
No Ad Hoc Wifi Support
Still Lags
Many Apps gives force close
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2.2/ 2.2.1 is still better than this
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WiFi Hotspot is available. It's just put under Tethering.
Naeem786 said:
3D Not Working Properly
No Ad Hoc Wifi Support
Still Lags
Many Apps gives force close
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2.2/ 2.2.1 is still better than this
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What do u mean 3d not working......be specific.....its working perfectly with only a very few exceptions......
Issues
Screen during boot and recovery showing static
WIFI iffy Doesnt always connect but does see networks
Havent tried 3d will try NFS now.
Quadrant 950 stock 1700 with voodoo.
Overall very impressed.
gingerbread is great on galaxy s...
i have felt no lag what so ever.. smoother than any ROM I have tried..
I have had one restart.... when using music player.. other than that everthing else is super smooth...
wifi signal is definetely low
I have flashed the modem to JPG
digitheatre said:
Need For Speed Shift also not working on my device.. white screen
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mine is working flawlessly....try to update into v1.0.62
hello there
got my note 2 weeks ago and i noticed a weird slowness
not in games but in everyday use its really annoying
the it cant be hardware problem right?
i mean..how can it be that such strong hardware cant hold
this software?
GUARDIANBD said:
hello there
got my note 2 weeks ago and i noticed a weird slowness
not in games but in everyday use its really annoying
the it cant be hardware problem right?
i mean..how can it be that such strong hardware cant hold
this software?
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Really strange 'cuz Note, even with stocks, is powerfull in terms of GPU and HW. Are you talking about its reactivity? Flashing other kernels and other ROMS you'd see the fastest device you can find right know, but I repeat, even with stocks I remember it was fast so it's too strange :banghead:
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My one works great. It might be your phone... try returning?
My acted the same. On stock rom it was choppy and laggy.
Custom fw solved the issue.
Same here...
Quite laggy and slow on stock firmware once I filled it up with apps.
Custom solved that though. I used Rocket v22, (full wipe when went to that final version along with Abyss 4.0). I got some strange results though, v22 was laggy for me and Abyss 4.2 got me battery drain. Also, Abyss 4.0 sometimes had the tendency to overheat. AGAIN, this is opposed to what most users have reported, so...might just be my phone, the way I use it...I don't know.
I finally found bliss in DarkyRom, with Franco Kernel. Smooth gaming, no lag (yet). Also, I've found ICS Roms to be really really smooth, although I had to go back to GB due to some features missing in these betas.
Thanks guys
Well im wait'n to the ics update..
Does anyone have a clue when its gonna released ?
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My only lag was in the Contacts,it usually took a long time to open,but a third party application solved it.
As for the ICS its better you check the sticky thread,the Moderater who is a bit temprimental guy could easily delete this thread as soon as he notices that word mentioned any other place than there.
However my personal opinion is that it wont come before the end of June.
Noticed this also. I am coming from an Epic 4G Touch and even completely stock that device was amazingly fast with everything. My Gnote was unbearably slow on the stock KK2 firmware and is a lot faster/smoother on LC1 with Franco Kernel 9. However still not as responsive/smooth as the Epic 4G Touch was for whatever reason.
I noticed that my Note is no as spritely as my old iPhone 4S.. I found after turning on it was better not to rush, pause for a split second and then everything is ok.
Thought so..
Im using startup auditor and now its much faster then before.
Hope that the update in june will fix the problems.. im kinda missing the 4s in teaems of camera quality but the overall performance are great.
too bad that the screen is Pentile based and not Plus..
Hope that the SGS3 will come out soon..
Thanks guys!
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Hello, I I am going to Roskilde festival in Denmark next week, and I need a copy a cheap phone, as my Galaxy Nexus is too expensive to bring :/
Would the 540 be a good choice? How is the screen, the battery time and the speed of the phone? What version of android can it be upgraded to (any stable custom Roms?). My biggest concern is the resistive screen :/ How about flash in browser? Is multi touch supported?
The other phone I am looking at is Vodafone 828
Flash? --> No.
Multi-touch?--> No.
Custom Rom?--> 2.1 , 2.2 , 2.3 , 4.0
Battery life?--> Better then the nexus for sure (even better then my sgs2)
This phone is good for calls and sms. If you are coming from a nexus browsing will be a big headache due to the shear difference in web page loading times.
It should be fine as a cheap replacement, battery life is good, phone itself is pretty solid. Resistive screen is fine unless you'll mess with custom roms as these doesn't have screen working calibration which makes operating on the device without stylus pretty difficult. Performance on on the stock 2.1 is rather decent, browsing experience is rather poor on it, gaming and system responsiveness are fine. The situation does change when you're using custom roms ( especially those with .32 and .35 kernels ) but you'll lose screen calibration. You won't notice much difference in browsing between your nexus and gt540 if you'll use .35 kernel and OC. There are two almost perfect custom roms ( with .32 and .35 kernels ) In other words gt540 may not be perfect but it will be definitely better than vodafone 858, unless you want phone only for texting and calling.
shadovraven said:
You won't notice much difference in browsing between your nexus and gt540 if you'll use .35 kernel and OC.
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You will definitely !
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if your on custom rom you'll never get perfect stabilty. from time to time it will lag a bit but for a few days a custom GT540 might be ok.
If you really choose it you will have to take your time to get it from 1.6/2.1 to e.g 2.3 with adequate kernel
Hell yeh if i ever make a vid comparing browsing speeds you will tell!
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Hell yeh if i ever make a vid comparing browsing speeds you will tell!
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I had old nexus in my mind, that's why.
andreas__ said:
You will definitely !
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if your on custom rom you'll never get perfect stabilty. from time to time it will lag a bit but for a few days a custom GT540 might be ok.
If you really choose it you will have to take your time to get it from 1.6/2.1 to e.g 2.3 with adequate kernel
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I tested almost all customs roms, some of them for few months or more and i didn't experienced any lags and problems ( miroslav lewa os, sdsl v2.1 ). If you can't take care of your rom even stock rom will lag and pose problems.
sdsl 2.1 is good
shadovraven said:
If you can't take care of your rom even stock rom will lag and pose problems.
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don't you think its normal to install 10-20 apps ?
u have to re-size system partition and have a swap partition the phone will work flawlessly i get a charge of 2 days using complete WiFi
andreas__ said:
don't you think its normal to install 10-20 apps ?
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Of course it's, im having like 30 apps installed on my phone now ( SDSL v2.1 with .3 5 kernel ) and everything works fine. The problem's that most of the people doesn't even bother to resize system partition size or do a full wipe. Installed apps are not a problem, the ones that are running in the background all the time, taking cpu time, memory and killing battery ( load of various widgets and other useless stuff, launchers that are heavy on memory / cpu and such ) 90 % of people problem with certain custom roms would be solved by just reading properly, that's the truth. Unless you can explain how i managed to get SDSL v2.1 to work with .35 kernel ( and other roms as well ) while others can't. That's enough of an offtopic, i'm sure OP does know his answer now.
i know we dont need to resize system partition but i had partitioned it for miroslavs ics and kept it like that since i had 256mb swap
How is the screen to use on this phone? I have almost no nails, so I am afraid of the resitive screen :/
Sebz4n said:
How is the screen to use on this phone? I have almost no nails, so I am afraid of the resitive screen :/
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2.3 roms + new display are ok
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If you're afraid of the screen, you can always get some cheap stylus or make it yourself ( from a pen ) and it will be fine.
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How is the screen to use on this phone? I have almost no nails, so I am afraid of the resitive screen :/
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I think screen responsiveness it's a lot better on miroslav ICS than on previous roms. On GB I had to push very hard on the screen or it won't catch the touch.
Hey, guys!
So, I know that internally Milestone2 and DEFY/DEFY+ are the same (chipset, CPU, GPU, camera module) and I'm absolutely okay with that. Latest CM10 builds work incredibly good on the DEFY. So, I know I would be happy with Milestone2 on CM10 experience pretty much the same
But! Other than internals... How good is the Milestone2? How good is the build quality? Are there some common failures that occur? Is the keyboard good? The keyboard sliding mechanism is built to last?
I really love my DEFY+, but I would LOVE to have the actual keyboard. Other than that, i see that M2 has a dedicated camera button, that's a nice touch, too
Please share some experience! And no need for anyone to tell me that it's old/outdated, it's still a good phone and it's definitely good enough for me, so please no recommendations on other phones, just your experiences with the M2! :fingers-crossed:
If you just use CM10 its ok..
Milestone 2 have not too much modding like Defy+ (on roms variation).
And the keyboard for me is fine.. some user sometimes have a debounce problem but its has a "apk" solution
Sorry for my English
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JoseBerga said:
If you just use CM10 its ok..
Milestone 2 have not too much modding like Defy+ (on roms variation).
And the keyboard for me is fine.. some user sometimes have a debounce problem but its has a "apk" solution
Sorry for my English
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CM10 is all I need, yes, and since I see that the builds are pretty much the same as the one for DEFY (how could they not be, it's the same hardware) I know it'll be great
Debounce problem... Please explain more, I have no idea what that means
Thanks for the reply!
*EDIT* Got it! Debounce = double pressing Okay. I guess it doesn't happen on new phones? Cause I'm looking at buying a new one. But since there is a fix available anyway... Not a big issue, I'd say!
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CM10 is all I need, yes, and since I see that the builds are pretty much the same as the one for DEFY (how could they not be, it's the same hardware) I know it'll be great
Debounce problem... Please explain more, I have no idea what that means
Thanks for the reply!
*EDIT* Got it! Debounce = double pressing Okay. I guess it doesn't happen on new phones? Cause I'm looking at buying a new one. But since there is a fix available anyway... Not a big issue, I'd say!
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there is a fix that SOLVES the problem for sure.
Search for "MS2 Debounce-debug.apk"
I bought MS2 because at that time it was the only smartphone with stand alone GPS and real keyboard (big +).
That means you have GPS and don't have to make data traffic in roaming , can be pretty expensive if you travel around continent.
Dropped a few times on stone floor , wood floor , > survived . The mechanism is bent on one side due to excessive pressure, still works.
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Dropped a few times on stone floor , wood floor , > survived . The mechanism is bent on one side due to excessive pressure, still works.
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So it's bent because of the drops or because of usage (how old is it, if this is the case?) or every M2 is just like that since brand new? If it's like that since it comes out of the factory... Does it disturb the usage anyhow?
Thank you!
Is 2 years old , comes OK from factory , mine is bent because is under my ass sometimes
Does not disturb the usage, but the space between the 2 sides, is not that equal as it was out of the box.
I'm 84kg ,... if this is relevant ))))))
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Is 2 years old , comes OK from factory , mine is bent because is under my ass sometimes
Does not disturb the usage, but the space between the 2 sides, is not that equal as it was out of the box.
I'm 84kg ,... if this is relevant ))))))
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I'm 64kg, so I guess it would sustain my a$$ a bit better (no offense intended, of course!)
It's sounds like it's (the phone ) tough enough for me (not meaning just my a$$)
*EDIT* A question I forgot earlier... How's the battery? I see that it's merely 1400mAh, which is smaller than the standard DEFY one (1540mAh) and I guess I'm kinda used to my + version (1700mAh) :/
The specs say that M2 has got a lot longer stand-by and talk times than the DEFY, though. How is that possible?
mine is 1390mAh , what can I say ,.... I'm charging once in 2/3 days ... sometimes 4 i guess ,.. but u have to replace stock froyo for that.
Sure you can run empty in less than 1 day if 5/6 applications are running on wireless + display + keyboard used for hours.
I don't talk to much, twice a day would be average+ 1 or 2 hours of wireless / day . For the rest of the time wireless and background data are off.
Alarm rings & vibrates every morning for at least 30 min ))) once in 5 minutes, or 10 ?? I will never find out I guess , I'm too sleepy )
Scheduled airplane mode from 2:30 a.m. to 8:00 a.m.
Hope it helps
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I'm 64kg, so I guess it would sustain my a$$ a bit better (no offense intended, of course!)
It's sounds like it's (the phone ) tough enough for me (not meaning just my a$$)
*EDIT* A question I forgot earlier... How's the battery? I see that it's merely 1400mAh, which is smaller than the standard DEFY one (1540mAh) and I guess I'm kinda used to my + version (1700mAh) :/
The specs say that M2 has got a lot longer stand-by and talk times than the DEFY, though. How is that possible?
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The battery is not great, specially after a few dozens rom flashing around the clock and different tries, but there is a 2400mah battery the same size as the original one you can find around and it's cheap (it was something like 9/10£ with shipping for me, despite me living outside uk) that i'm testing right now.
Battery duration is quite better, and the battery is detected normally for charge capacity, prediction and such.
On top of that people messed around/tried different governors/voltages and got an undervolt setting that gives quite good result and is stable.
Overall the Tezet's CM10 (and sfc3001's CM9 despite a bit lagging behind now due to him being busy IRL) are really good and stable with a low number of bugs/problems that are *mostly* problems present on DEFY/DEFY+ because overall the MS2 CM roms are port of the Defy ones (with some tweaks like hardware acceleration, and so on coming from other Moto phones like the MS1 or the Atrix from memory).
Answer to your question is - No, don't buy it.
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Answer to your question is - No, don't buy it.
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Why?
Ashareth, thanks for the reply! :good:
Phones without moving parts are more reliable than phones using flex cables.
Debounce is not a problem here, simply because I don't use hw keyboard. Swype is faster than hw keyboard and since I don't open the m2, will be harder to break the lcd flex - that is essential to use the phone.
Hi
IMHO you get great value for a really cheap price. I paid 200€ without contract on amazon.de
basically because it was one of the very few available with HW keyboard. Non rooted I was very disappointed mainly
due to the low speed and bloatware. But performance and experience with CM10 is great!
Sum : Best HW keyboard phone for that price range
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Poor battery, bad performance, no good rom alternatives. I got this phone to replace my old HTC Diamond, now I see that old htc was more reliable than this. MM2 is my first and last Motorola product that I paid for.
I still like the MS2 (hey, it's got a hw keyboard!), but I'm not too enthusiastic about CM10 on it.
I mean, I really appreciate tezet's current work (also sfc3001's CM9 before, and tezet's CM7), I love CM10 per se, but I think it's pushing too far the MS2: even with a 1.2GHz OC processor, smartassV2, SIO scheduler, and less than 30 apps installed it's sometimes almost too laggy for me.
When I open the dialer or the contacts app, I want it to launch (almost) immediately, not after seconds.
It also kills the possibility of a full multi-task operation, constantly having only 50-100MB free ram.
Anyway, if you decide to buy it, and you're not too addicted to CM10's bonuses (as I, sadly, am), I'd suggest to try CM7 by tezet, which IMHO can give you the best of this phone's hw-sw performance combo.
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I still like the MS2 (hey, it's got a hw keyboard!), but I'm not too enthusiastic about CM10 on it.
I mean, I really appreciate tezet's current work (also sfc3001's CM9 before, and tezet's CM7), I love CM10 per se, but I think it's pushing too far the MS2: even with a 1.2GHz OC processor, smartassV2, SIO scheduler, and less than 30 apps installed it's sometimes almost too laggy for me.
When I open the dialer or the contacts app, I want it to launch (almost) immediately, not after seconds.
It also kills the possibility of a full multi-task operation, constantly having only 50-100MB free ram.
Anyway, if you decide to buy it, and you're not too addicted to CM10's bonuses (as I, sadly, am), I'd suggest to try CM7 by tezet, which IMHO can give you the best of this phone's hw-sw performance combo.
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I'm +1 this. Totally agree.
CM10 is great (I'm also too much comfortable with CM10's features :/ ), but it IS slow. It is not that slow, as stock Froyo ROM of course (that was really pain in the... ), but I think CM10 is even slower than stock GB
(but hey! I have to say, that's not tezet's fault of course... JB is just too much for M2 HW probably...)
I would recommend CM7 too or stock GB (or ROMs based on it) if you don't rely on CM10 functions... I will probably go back to one of these too, since I really need (and like) speed and smoothness... CM10 is great, but definitely not fast or smooth - and I don't even mention the slowness, in case you are out of free RAM...
Cm7 in my opinion it's the best rom for our miles2. After the last update, the battery is much better than previous version.
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Honestly, as much as the MS2 is good (great) you should look out for another phone currently, because there is better (more recent) choices out there for roughly the same price.
If you buy it new, it's still prohibitive since most vendors still list it around 300€ new.
If it's used, unless you manage to find one under 100€ it's not worth it (most of them are sold close to 180/200€ from what i've seen).
You're better of going after a Galaxy Nexus/Galaxy SII if you don't need the hw keyboard. If you do need it it's another question since there is not much choices out there, and MS2 is still one of the best.
@ Ashareth: Sorry, but when you are talking about "better (more recent) choices out there for roughly the same price." - do you refer to smartphones in general
or with HW keyboard ?
In my opionion the choice of HW keyboard phones is very, very limited sadly. Not that I am trying to defend here the milestone 2, but I am seeking myself for a potential
alternative. My contract ends soon and I could get cheaply a new phone, but with HW keyboard ? Bummer, there is not much out there, especially outside the US
Another point, I would be interested in would be the speed of CM7. I am running CM10 at the moment but couldnt run CM7 due to 2.36 kernel. Is the speed comparable with the MS2Ginger ? Its the only one I tested so far ....
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Hey, guys!
So, I know that internally Milestone2 and DEFY/DEFY+ are the same (chipset, CPU, GPU, camera module) and I'm absolutely okay with that. Latest CM10 builds work incredibly good on the DEFY. So, I know I would be happy with Milestone2 on CM10 experience pretty much the same
But! Other than internals... How good is the Milestone2? How good is the build quality? Are there some common failures that occur? Is the keyboard good? The keyboard sliding mechanism is built to last?
I really love my DEFY+, but I would LOVE to have the actual keyboard. Other than that, i see that M2 has a dedicated camera button, that's a nice touch, too
Please share some experience! And no need for anyone to tell me that it's old/outdated, it's still a good phone and it's definitely good enough for me, so please no recommendations on other phones, just your experiences with the M2! :fingers-crossed:
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why do you want to buy a machine two years ago.Even it s just locked with a out-date system.