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[I]ok so the reason i amposting this thread is because we all know that windows mobile is dying due to: windows phone 7, android os, web os, and iphone os. i say that is total bs. not just because i am a die hard WM fan but because we are still creating more possibilities for our current WM devices. MAny of us have WVGA devices: topaz, rhodium, leo. and there are VGA, HVGA, and QVGA users out there too. and alot of us either cant change to newer phones because of the plan we are on (im on sprint SERO), no money, or we just want to keep the phones we have. i fall under all the above.
More and more worderful mods are arrising for HTC Sense, like CHT, new tabs, and max manila. we have fully customizable themes for nearly everything. will we see this kind of user capability on WP7? not sure as of yet.
So here is my proposition. We can let windows mobile die like the outside world wants, or we can keep on pushing until it is illegal to do so. [/I]
im just combining all the ideas that i know many of you want to see happen:
In my opinion. the WM UI is so barebone and versatile, all the resources we have now can make this last alot longer. just put the pieces to the puzzle together. If any of you developers out there are interested. please let me know so i can update the post.
TEAM WM
I will try to post more info as i create it or find it
TO BE CONTINUED......
+1 to this,
I'd like to see some development on Windows Mobile. I know programming is kinda hard for this OS, but still, within talented hands still you can make wonders.
Devs are abandoning WM, because it's easier to do so.
Also don't force into new hardware, as most people cannot afford or change phone every 1-3 months. Also I like my HTC HD2 as it is.
IMHO Windows 7 phone OS is plain bloatware.....
Here are some updates
http://sacdev.codeplex.com/releases/view/59079
Good idea.
Personally I have tried Android on my HD2 and come back to WM 6.5.2 as WM still has convinience of functionalities relevant to corporate/business environment.
Yeah im trying to get more people to hop on while there is still stuff going around for WM.
ok guys i got an invitation to this "WM Group" and i fully support it. Yes i am one of those people that believe, that winmo can do all the things that other platforms can do.
Tell me what android can do better than winmo for example. All that it has (and winmo cannot have) is animations. You wanna talk to me about the marketplace? Yes sure, it is a nice free library that you can find almost anything fast, but still this can work on winmo too, the only problem is that a lot of apps are paid in winmo (and they should be, developers need support, they don't work for fun)
WP7 is a useless thing. Microsoft had something with 1000 potentials, and they gave us something with 100. All it can do is play xbox games. The guys didn't even include silverlight or flash or countries support (good luck with that). Don't tell me that it will come with the next update and blah blah blah. They had like 5-6 years at least in order to complete this "operating system", and the final result was a black themed iphone with boxes.
I was testing WP7 on my HD2 earlier, and i was thinking that at least 60% of the things i was seeing there, can be transfered to winmo.
Anyway, it is true that a lot of developers have moved over to android or wp7 or iphone. I don't think that there is a chance of bringing them back, but i do believe that a new developer team can take place, and fill in the "gaps". But these people need motivation, and most of the time, this means donations. People go where money go.
I am doing my part with RapidRead , when i saw that TapaTalk was not going to happen on winmo, i was pissed, so i decided to do it on my own.
This will be hard for me to write, as I really like WM too, but here we go:
WM is based on 5 or maybe even older kernel, optimized for devices with crappy or no GPU acceleration, rendering all on CPU. Everything is done on CPU. And as much as it is optimized, there is not enough CPU power for the rest of the system. If the system would incorporate newer drivers (as WP7 does from MS) and render all IE, UI, ... on GPU, half of the job would be done.
Now move to the other part - app programming.
WM is featuring a lot of similar code to desktop Windows, even more in .NET environment. But just take a look how much it also misses! It lacks any D3D/OpenGLES development! Well there is some D3D in .NET, but it is really stripped down. No universal OpenGLES and so on, and so on, and so on.
WP7 brought us (developers) awesome Silverlight with XNA support for gaming (DX9? I've seen some DX11 libs in system btw), enabling people to write one core for game and run it on all PC, phone and xbox and just always enahance the control to mouse and keyboard, touchscreen or Xbox controller.
Also not forget about lazy programmers for WM that lack any optimizations, or any suspending when not used - it is normal on winmo to have running app on background eating your battery and half of your CPU.
Should I continue?
yeap, 90% of what you said, is that MS gave you a platform (WP7) to play games. go buy a psp instead of a pda
It isn't all about games. WM is filled with glitches that MS isn't going ever to fix. Like taskbar often going blank (not repainting). These glitches force you to reboot the phone - and how can you use that, when half of the time you have to reboot it each time you do something?
taskbar going blank on winmo?
like never EVER happened. not even once. i didn't even know about that.
my WinMo is rock solid, i guess you need to change roms or apps
It happened me on all ROMs on all devices I had (Kaiser, TP2, HD2). My own ROMs, stock ROMs, other's cooked ROMs .
Do not mention Opera 10 getting stuck in background (and not to be able to re-launch it without reboot, since you can't have two modules or files in memory with the same name). Let's face it, WM is old and new OSes provide way better options and opportunities.
On the other hand, WM is PC with phone. Android is phone with PC. WP7 is cool phone. iOS is cool phone.
Ok we are not here to argue although i understand where youre coming from. i do have an itouch because i like games on the iphone but as far as the overall picture WM has proved to be a working medium between a computer and a phone which most of us really need and use throughout the day. Lets face it. When a new app has its 15 minutes of fame and your friends all bragg about it. maybe you will miss out on that. but is it really worth spending $100s for something new when there is no need to?
we dont need to live on our phones it just needs to be with us. and i think the philosophy is opposite for Apple especially. Viva la iphone killer!!!!
So I got like half hour ago totally mad WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT WP7 CAN'T SYNC ANYHOW NORMAL XLS OR DOC without sending it over internet (email, download it from web). Then I got * on not supporting BT keyboards. Then I got even more * FOR NOT SUPPORTING TETHERING.
Then I got * on Android for another ton of stuff.
And now I am back on WinMo, ready to build perfect OS for phone. On WinMo, everything works. Although there are parts that * me too - sometimes getting stuck, whole VM engine, rendering of graphics, nearly zero games that are worth playing (okay, FPSeCE is good).
WP7 is baby, very young, not capable of doing stuff that I am used to do. And WANT to do.
Android has very bad (at least from what I expected from it) Bluetooth capabilities. Even iPhone owns Android with BT support from what I want.
I am going to need a lot of developers, source code to WM and WP7. Who can help (mostly with the 2nd and 3rd part), PM me. The 1st one after I get the 2nd and 3rd one, thanks .
Although taking iOS source and modifying it would do the same job haha . That's another option LOL.
Sorry, I had to get it out
The thing that really bugs me about the whole growth in smartphone popularity is that when you here about a new app or feature that one of the two leading os's just got or can do... and i can almost garuntee that windows mobile can do it or already had done it...
i see my friends loving their speech to text on their android devices and i tell my phone everything to do through my bluetooth headset.....
wm was way ahead of their time ...
i too have had the taskbar malfunction one too many time but as i look around for a device that i would like to get like an android phone or wp7
i can't help but come to the conclusion that the best viable option is to get an htc hd2...
this way i can try android and wp7 or go back to what i know and love...
people laugh when they hear you have a windows mobile phone... only cause they are told about them from other people like they are the ancestors of the smartphone ... which they are...
but i am only 19 ... 20 in two weeks... and i have decided to hold off getting anything else besides wm until there are non left in the world...
OndraSter said:
So I got like half hour ago totally mad WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT WP7 CAN'T SYNC ANYHOW NORMAL XLS OR DOC without sending it over internet (email, download it from web). Then I got * on not supporting BT keyboards. Then I got even more * FOR NOT SUPPORTING TETHERING.
Then I got * on Android for another ton of stuff.
And now I am back on WinMo, ready to build perfect OS for phone. On WinMo, everything works. Although there are parts that * me too - sometimes getting stuck, whole VM engine, rendering of graphics, nearly zero games that are worth playing (okay, FPSeCE is good).
WP7 is baby, very young, not capable of doing stuff that I am used to do. And WANT to do.
Android has very bad (at least from what I expected from it) Bluetooth capabilities. Even iPhone owns Android with BT support from what I want.
Sorry, I had to get it out
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I agree. I too have come back to Winmo 6.5.2 and satisfied for everything being fully functional...
I'm glad people are stepping up to the plate I haven't developed anything for WM in a long time, since I felt many people had stopped caring about it. Looks like I was wrong. The rendering engine is a real challenge on WinMo, but with almost full access to the entire system, development is so much easier than on WP7.
Long live winmo
I agree with you guys whole heartedly. I received a Windows Phone 7 phone from Microsoft for free for testing but it runs on T-Mobile. I onlyhave it for 2 months and Verizon is not coming out with a WP7 phone for god knows how long silo I will be back to my WM phone. I have and always be a fan and have been keeping up with the projects and software as much as I can. I efgen had a hand in a few projects. Check my signature for my software thread and I will continue to support this thread without gusto.
I would love to see more developing for Windows Mobile.
Highest on my list would be a fantastic Google Voice client.
Ok i read everything you guys wrote and i totally have to agree with you guys. Winsmob could has the potential of being the best os out there but what did microsoft do? They just abandoned it and try to do a fresh start with a less than 50% complete os. Dont get me wrong i like wp7 (well only cos of the keyboard), i loved winsmob better with all the feathures even if some are not consistent and there are not some many apps out there. Its just that i'm not a developer but if i could i would reprogram winsmob with features i like in other os. I know its not as easy as i make it seem but hey thats just how i feel.
i would also be cool to a have a decent facebook application and a decent youtube application for windows mobile 6.1
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So I see the Qualcomm Chipset is the same as the G1 phone, do you reckon we'll see a rom for this?
Hands down, I know nothing about rom making.
But one thing is for sure;
There will be Android on many of the HTC handsets out there, and Touch HD probebly going to one of the first phones with a fully ported version of Android.
Kaiser is the one who probebly be the first the rom makers will make a fully working Android phone, since most people who owns the phone is very skilled in rom making and they have already come a long way. You can run Android on a Kaiser today, even if the G1 hasnt been released yet.
Since Android is based on a linux kernel, it is quite easy to play around with it and do whatever you want with it. It's possibly plausible to port it to a laptop with enough work (if you would want that).
Wait and see, there will probebly be android on the Touch Pro, Diamond and the Touch HD sooner or later. Just a matter of time, and depending on how many developers who will work on it.
The developer scene just need a little kick in the but, they need to move forward. And one thing that the scene needs right now is a rawdump of the android os.
Android (or even iPhone, though I accept it is impossible) on HTC HD is my ultimate wish...
Best hardware with potential OS... also for a Gmail user...
I will go for HTC HD once this issue have been responded.
The words "iPhone" and "potential OS" are absolutely contradictory... there's probably no other mobile OS that lacks so many important features and is so limited.
Same for Android. At least, Android has the potential to improve, iPhone doesn't.
One potential issue with Android on the Blackstone is the lack of hardware input on the Blackstone. At the moment, Android doesn't contain a SIP, or a SIP framework.
Other than that, it should be possible to rebuild the Android source for the subtly different hardware.
The Android bootloader will need to be edited and flashed onto the Blackstone, and that may conflict with WM/WMs bootloader.
This is not quite truth.
HTC Vogue has actually been the first mobile to run android almost fully (see thread below for more.)
Kaiser at the moment can run only 0.8 version of the SDK and with serious impediments, like not making a reliable data connection, call only on 3g, among others.
We are still to complete a proper compilation of the latest released code. But that will come fortunately.
vogue thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265&page=139
kaiser thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782&page=153
qetuR said:
Hands down, I know nothing about rom making.
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Kaiser is the one who probebly be the first the rom makers will make a fully working Android phone, since most people who owns the phone is very skilled in rom making and they have already come a long way. You can run Android on a Kaiser today, even if the G1 hasnt been released yet.
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I also see that on other android sites that now people are doing those IME and SIP so I dont worry.
well, though u may say iPhone OS is not potential and limited, but it is true that it brings lots of new concept. Even though people now in this forum tailor made a lots of iPhone like software for their WM devices like slide2play etc... this is because they found these iPhone components are more enjoyable.
Of course, I already have given up my wm devices and change to iPhone as it supports a Gmail user like me fully with better interface and fonts, I have discontinued using MS outlook after 10 years with Yahoo mail. So I do not need WM devices anymore.
However, I must admit that HTC HD is a great great hardware so I really hope this can be put android inside.
To me, and we can see that, WM is really limiting after years, not much and could not improve further.... the fonts, application (browser, video player n quality etc) and its ergonomics.
For iPhone, it does well for Gmail, either by Mail application or web (same format as web- stack)
I use free www.nuevasync.com services to push contacts and calendar events with phone and web.
I believe it works better in Android the self environment...look forward seeing it soon
dogmood said:
To me, and we can see that, WM is really limiting after years, not much and could not improve further.... the fonts, application (browser, video player n quality etc) and its ergonomics.
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I totally disagree with the no room for improvement, I would say reconsider on how much your iphone can improve.. How much can it be customized? Close to ZERO... I dont have an iPhone but i have an iPod Touch, which is exactly the same as the iphone without the phone (and the camera). I know how it works, what can be done how much customizable it is.
I also have a WM6.1 Pro device (Samsung Omnia). Really, it kills the iphone, wipes it out totally...
I would say wait and be a little patient until Windows Mobile 7 comes out, I think microsoft already "got the message" about the interface, few screenshots I looked for Windows Mobile 7 looked very promising and have the potential of becoming even better than the iPhone interface.
Rumors and buzz say WM7 will be available 1st quarter of 2009
I am pretty sure, that when MS releases WM7 the developers will go nuts cooking up a new roms for all the HTC devices and the Touch HD ofc.
Again WM7, very promising interface/usability-wise!
check out the rumors:
http://gizmodo.com/341287/windows-mobile-7-details-leaked-+-multi+touch-motion-gestures
Android on Blackstone
Does anyone know if any official or non-official working on android on this device?
I'm looking for this...
aren't we all!!
if someone gets android running well on this, this would be an absolute killer!!!
BUT is it actually possible at all?
****edit**** just saw the other thread for this....
the latest reports say that WM7 will not be out until late next year and then each phone company will have to do all their own tests etc on it so we are unlikely to see it until 2010........this is from what i have read.......
MontAlbert said:
the latest reports say that WM7 will not be out until late next year and then each phone company will have to do all their own tests etc on it so we are unlikely to see it until 2010........this is from what i have read.......
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Even so, I think WM7 looks very promising, worth the wait
A first look on Android, at least for me is not so exciting, sure it has cool features sleek look and interface but still, is too new, it can hardly pass WM with loads of apps, software and customizations out there.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-coming-to-the-htc-touch-hd-20081007/
YES BUT IT WILL BE AT LEAST 12MONTHS UNTIL wm7 IS RELEASED AND THEN ANOTHER (oops caps- sorry) several months before all the bugs are out of it..... until then what are we to do? I reckopn android will be ported to HD by some enterprising person within a few months at the latest.....
Agree...No offense but WM always under-estimate their launch dates...
I really go for android this time
any android team member aware this!!?? time to do implantation!!
There was already a thread about this... I'll merge the two.
Don't forget that the android doesn't have a soft keyboard.
And the hd doesn't have a physical keyboard!
anheuer said:
Don't forget that the android doesn't have a soft keyboard.
And the hd doesn't have a physical keyboard!
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I have written a couple of small applications already to the Android Emulator, just to test the potential, and I can just say: There is no problem implementing a soft keyboard into the default GUI. You can access and change almost everything directly in the user interface. You have access to change the behavior of any default application! Build a soft keyboard to Android, written in Java, to work on any device that does not have a keyboard, can not be a hard task.
If I have time to fiddle with Android when I arrive at home I will start the task of implement an java-application that can do this. I really hope I have the time since lack of time is my biggest problem right now.
// Johan
Android 0.8
since a few days Android 0.8 is working on the Diamond/Raphael:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
I thought, since the hardware of the HD is not very different, it might also work on the HD.
I tried this file:
http://netripper.babyburner.dk/raphael/raph_20081105-01_android_v0.8_touchscreen_fix.exe
But my HD seems to get stuck in the Linux booting process :-(
Anybody got an idea how we can make this work?
Ok im just reading things about android and this community. Im a user of windows mobile since 7 years ago and all windows enviroments more than that and know nothing about java and not trying to light fire on this here but i would really wanted to know what advantages can bring this new OS to the WM user. The hardware seems the same but i mean as there are so meny people here that came from WM i want to hear from them ....Why do they made the switch?
I have read about the multitouch and capacitive screen but what about, community support, apps, customization, overall feel as a phone and perpectives of the platform, issues to resolve......you name it.
Thanks in advance for your anwers
HTC Tytn
ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final
RADIO: 1.48.00.10
History: HTC VPA Compact (Magician), Jornada 720
In short, just great. I Have been on tytn II, Diamond, Xperia - and im now on the HTC Magic. I feared i would miss the keyboard, but dont really, and the OS - it's just great.
No more waiting for screens to update, no more strange windows errors, all in all, im not looking back.
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same as above. Absolutely loved my Kaiser and Dell X50 before that but love my new Android phone even more. I think the transition was even easier as I'm a big user of Google products (search, calendar, email, contacts) anyway.
me too love it had a htc touch and htc diamond before this! love the android now!
hows the overall responsiveness comparing it to WM?
is it true that we need the cloud (gmail etc) to be able to sync? what about outlook sync? its there support for office docs?... seems that is as upgradable cause i have saw many ROMs here..........thanx for the above answer
another: having a data plan is mandatory to use the phone?
HTC Tytn
ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final
RADIO: 1.48.00.10
History: VPA Compact (HTC Magician), Jornada 720
The interface on the OS is dramatically better, but when it comes down to getting work done WinMo is technically more capable in a lot of ways. I prefer Android because it's just flat out more fun to use, but if you need to get serious work done with your phone then definitely do your homework before making the switch.
Mmm... ive been thinking yeah. thats why im asking
As you said the interface its just amaizing even to wm6.5 imo and interaccion with big capacitive screen is a plus indeed. but still havent got the gist...ill do more reading thanks as is going to be a major step and think to buy a phone for at least 1-2 years.
still open to others opinions.
HTC Tytn
ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final
RADIO: 1.48.00.10
History: VPA Compact (HTC Magician), Jornada 720
I Started my PDA life on a Moto Q, then a Excalibur, Wizard, Kaiser, Diamond & Then to a Blackberry Curve (dont hate me it was only a couple weeks) & now on a g1 while waiting for my MyTouch 3G to arrive..
I Can tell you that basically everything is smoother & faster. Even when compared to TouchFlo the android interfact is easier & faster to access what I Want when I Want it then WinMo
I'm on WinMo for years, see my signature. I would say I'm a Power User with deep knowledge of WinMo. Switching to the Android powered HTC Magic was easy.
- The usability is much better, capactive screen is incredibly good (the resistive screen on the WinMo devices made me sick as I'm rather use fingers than the stylus)
- customizations + extensions through Android market are pretty good (Nitrodesk's Touchdown gives me the one major feature that I was missing on Android here in Europe: Exchange Sync)
- I'm missing nothing else from WinMo (compare the time MS had time to develop and enhance WinMo and the time Android devices are on the market), not even the very detailed settings options which seem to be good for Power Users, they are just unnecessary in the end.
-It is easy for developers to create and deliver applications
It is strange that MS as one of the pioneers in this market became just a "slow follower" and did not manage to turn the corner. It is the same as with the Iphone: even the first version is almost as good as WinMo, what about version 2.0 and 3.0...? Usability counts.
Hotas said:
I'm on WinMo for years, see my signature. I would say I'm a Power User with deep knowledge of WinMo. Switching to the Android powered HTC Magic was easy.
- The usability is much better, capactive screen is incredibly good (the resistive screen on the WinMo devices made me sick as I'm rather use fingers than the stylus)
- customizations + extensions through Android market are pretty good (Nitrodesk's Touchdown gives me the one major feature that I was missing on Android here in Europe: Exchange Sync)
- I'm missing nothing else from WinMo (compare the time MS had time to develop and enhance WinMo and the time Android devices are on the market), not even the very detailed settings options which seem to be good for Power Users, they are just unnecessary in the end.
-It is easy for developers to create and deliver applications
It is strange that MS as one of the pioneers in this market became just a "slow follower" and did not manage to turn the corner. It is the same as with the Iphone: even the first version is almost as good as WinMo, what about version 2.0 and 3.0...? Usability counts.
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The problem windows faces with it's OS is that winmo is well understood. It's tried, tested, and true to it's followers. If they suddenly revolutionized the whole thing, people would get pretty angry. A lot of people who own winmo phones, own them for their business and development needs. These aren't the kind of people who want to **** around with sudden change to their previously solid operating system.
All that aside, I just moved from the Touch HD, to the Magic. I've gotta say, I love it. I'm an electronics enthusiast. I like to play with new technology. If you're all about trying something new, android is about as new as it gets. The best thing about it is, it's not some sort of gimmick, it's a real alternative to the way things are on windows mobile. That means that, while being completely different in a lot of ways, it can still do the same tasks.
Another thing to love about the android is how connected it is to everything via the marketplace. I do quite enjoy the selection of windows mobile software, but the method of buying it is very antiquated. Get out your credit card, shop around at a bunch of sites, find your app or game of choice, pay, download, install... So much trouble.
The Google Market feels solid, and is constantly updated with plenty of useful (or time wasting) apps. The best thing is, there's a huge selection of free apps. If you find something is missing from your phone, go to the marketplace (one click on the home screen) and do a search for it. You'll find something to solve your needs.
Another nice feature of Android devices is the ability to add widgets (or shortcuts) to your home screen. You also have three home screens available just by swiping your finger from left to right or right to left at the home screen. This means you can put all the apps, widgets, and shortcuts you want on the screen. AND you can arrange them in any orientation you'd like. Android IS customization at it's best.
The last thing I'll say about the Android platform is that thanks to the marketplace and the ingenuity of independent developers, you'll find apps that allow you to use your phone in ways you'd never even considered. Take the HTC Magic for instance, it's got a built in magnetometer (compass) that allows you to not only find yourself in google maps, but also see the direction you're facing and basically watch your phone while walking to your destination. You can SEE where you're going.
Another strange use of the magnetometer is done by an app called "Metal detector". I'm sure you can guess what it does. While I won't be out at the beach holding my phone out and searching for spare change, it's still kinda cool showing your office mates what your phone is capable of by identifying metal wiring in walls, or whatever.
What I'm trying to express with all of this is simple, the Android platform is a greatly different experience from winmo, if you're looking to crave some new tech, take the plunge. But remember, it's a whole other ball game, which means it takes a little bit to get used to.
I recommend doing what I did, get all excited about it before you pick it up, that'll ensure a lot of smiles when you turn your new Android device on for the first time.
Caid.
444.
All i can say is..
Had the Touch, Diamond, Xperia...
Play with more because of my job....
But Android is a breath of fresh air..
Nice integration, nice looks, response nice, love the market... i,m happy i switched.
Only thing i miss a little bit is messing with some settings and registry...
Caid444 said:
The problem windows faces with it's OS is that winmo is well understood. It's tried, tested, and true to it's followers. If they suddenly revolutionized the whole thing, people would get pretty angry. A lot of people who own winmo phones, own them for their business and development needs. These aren't the kind of people who want to **** around with sudden change to their previously solid operating system.
All that aside, I just moved from the Touch HD, to the Magic. I've gotta say, I love it. I'm an electronics enthusiast. I like to play with new technology. If you're all about trying something new, android is about as new as it gets. The best thing about it is, it's not some sort of gimmick, it's a real alternative to the way things are on windows mobile. That means that, while being completely different in a lot of ways, it can still do the same tasks.
Another thing to love about the android is how connected it is to everything via the marketplace. I do quite enjoy the selection of windows mobile software, but the method of buying it is very antiquated. Get out your credit card, shop around at a bunch of sites, find your app or game of choice, pay, download, install... So much trouble.
The Google Market feels solid, and is constantly updated with plenty of useful (or time wasting) apps. The best thing is, there's a huge selection of free apps. If you find something is missing from your phone, go to the marketplace (one click on the home screen) and do a search for it. You'll find something to solve your needs.
Another nice feature of Android devices is the ability to add widgets (or shortcuts) to your home screen. You also have three home screens available just by swiping your finger from left to right or right to left at the home screen. This means you can put all the apps, widgets, and shortcuts you want on the screen. AND you can arrange them in any orientation you'd like. Android IS customization at it's best.
The last thing I'll say about the Android platform is that thanks to the marketplace and the ingenuity of independent developers, you'll find apps that allow you to use your phone in ways you'd never even considered. Take the HTC Magic for instance, it's got a built in magnetometer (compass) that allows you to not only find yourself in google maps, but also see the direction you're facing and basically watch your phone while walking to your destination. You can SEE where you're going.
Another strange use of the magnetometer is done by an app called "Metal detector". I'm sure you can guess what it does. While I won't be out at the beach holding my phone out and searching for spare change, it's still kinda cool showing your office mates what your phone is capable of by identifying metal wiring in walls, or whatever.
What I'm trying to express with all of this is simple, the Android platform is a greatly different experience from winmo, if you're looking to crave some new tech, take the plunge. But remember, it's a whole other ball game, which means it takes a little bit to get used to.
I recommend doing what I did, get all excited about it before you pick it up, that'll ensure a lot of smiles when you turn your new Android device on for the first time.
Caid.
444.
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I totally agree, except with this:
"The problem windows faces with it's OS is that winmo is well understood. It's tried, tested, and true to it's followers. If they suddenly revolutionized the whole thing, people would get pretty angry. A lot of people who own winmo phones, own them for their business and development needs. These aren't the kind of people who want to **** around with sudden change to their previously solid operating system."
At least for me, as a WinMo "Power End User" (private and in business) it was easy to switch. I think that a) the number of true hardcore business users is too small for WinMo to survive and b) Android will very soon provide the missing features and capabilities to those users. Let's face it: there are only a few things missing for company use like (native) Microsoft Exchange Sync and this is already available in some countries and will IMHO soon be available for all. MS Office support is next that will come I think. 3rd party software is already there. We will see...
I really liked what youve written here cause ive been doing some other readings and learning . First i wanna thank you all for sharing your experiences. I should say than even knowing than android is still a bit immature i am very tempted, as all of you were at a moment, to give it a try. As you all have stated, its difficult to understand how ms being a almost a lonely leader together with palm for many years in the pda market, have been careless about the usability and interface of their os and the convergence and integration of features from pocket pc to smartphone have been slow ihmo. Apple for example did a very good job in a relatively short time taking a successful concept like the ipod onto production of a very usable product like the iphone that, we like it or not, is today still a bomb after some years in town. Google nowadays have only 3 devices on the market as far as i know, and improvements and updates have come fast. I saw the sense ui in the new htc hero and even though it resemble touchflo3d seems a refreshed finger friendlier version.
For winmo imo, dont think that lacking the marketplace is going to be a disadvantage for long time as ms is going to have one like every major player already did, but once again a little late. Same with compass and other cool features many ppl enjoyed. I see winmo as a very strong os with many many capabilities and it has served me well over all these years. I love integration with apps i use like office, pdf readers, outlook sync for contacts, task, emails, .net framework, flash support, the ability to be tweaked and customized and above all the support of this community which ive became a fan of. Also i have read da vinci code and saw some episodes of dr house and prison break in my phones. But no matter how many third party apps and shells you through on it to avoid dealing with the old fashioned pc like interface, at the end every user will have to deal with that. There is a performance cost in installing many apps as enhancements to the shell, as in any os, instead of just having these visual features as part of the standard api, because they have to run concurrently with the basic shell and that makes your interaction slower and slower. So mostly i have to admit that winmo interface and today screen basically today lacks the level usability and simplicity of these newer os user interfaces. Thinking only in the techie capable or corporate user will probe to be a wrong strategy as blackberry’s rim realized at a time.
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Android vs Win Mobile vs iPhone
Hi all,
I switch from HTC Touch to iPhone, later to HTC Magic and now I have a HTC Diamond 2.
As you can see WM -> OSX -> Android OS -> and WM again. WHY?
I really like gadgets and testing new platforms, but as I also use the phone for working, the best suite for me is WM.
Don't you need to work with excel, word, powerpoint and pdf documents?
With Androidyou have to buy 3party apps for this.
Don't you us Outlook? No native support for Android.
Don't you receive mails with attachments? No native support for saving them to the SD in Android.
Of course you can use other apps that can more or less solve those needs. But, why do we need to invent the wheel again?
And what about iphone? Really good hw, lovely OS but plenty of locks from Apple. You have to jailbreak, and install lots of 3party sw.
Conclussion: For professional use, WM has all you need just out of the box.
If I only could flash my HTC Magic with WM ..... sniff.
Bye.
Well i think ill keep my old friend for some more time and wait for now. i want to buy with a contract but with rogers now we only have xperia x1a... alternative is the g1 and the magic that without a keyboard has a point againts my personal preferences. xperia is way a better phone than the one i currently own of course but not sure yet because of lots of complainings about keyboard design, cracks and other issues in its forum. thank you all
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Sadly, I miss the random errors in WinMo, because it reminded me, that just like XP and Vista, this is one of the true mobile os's. It will **** up, and it will do so with the ever annoying dialouge box.
Android, is different. the good different. Wait, the great different. Only problem Ive had is that rogers had to go and screw it up by flashing their terrific bs version onto what is one of the best phones I have used.
And the iPhone, please. I have one. Whoever considers that to be a 'OS'. Get your head out of the propoganda machine. The day it has at the least multitasking, and not that bull**** popup notification, i will consider it a OS.
Atleast with WinMo, and Android, there is a good sense of **** the **** around and if all fails reflash the rom to original. iPhone, you can jailbreak, screw around, but thats it.
Coming from a a Diamond, then a iPhone, to my current Blackberry and Android, I think I would rather have the latter two. Sure WinMo and the iPhone are great 'in the middle devices', but in the end when I have serious business to do, I stick with the blackberry, because nothing beats it, everybody knows that. Business = blackberry. WinMo and the iPhone sound like a good choice, but anyone worth their butter knows that a keyboard of a blackberry can save your professional ass. And Android I like, because like WinMo it is truly open to no end, and my fun lies with screwing around and messing with that phone. Sure not the best money spent, but Android phones are more explorative and user friendly then anything else. Ramblings of a idiot maybe, but its more, what really floats your boat. My friend said 'avoid the magic, and the dream. the magic isnt that easy to use, and the dream just looks like shreks ****' but i splurged and I love it. 50/50, sure. But its what YOU want out of your phone.
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You called the android platform immature.. Well you are both right & wrong.. Yes it is in its development stages still where WinMo is still very mature..
But its like saying that the Virgin High School Validictorian who doesn't drink or smoke is Immature where as the 40 year old drunken drug addict who lives with his parents is more mature because he is old enough to buy cigs & beer..
There on 2 different playing fields.. Switching was soooo easy once I finally made the plunge.. & I Find that even with my diamond I Was resetting the phone once every few days.. My Android once every few weeks..
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Sadly, I miss the random errors in WinMo, because it reminded me, that just like XP and Vista, this is one of the true mobile os's. ....
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As you I do love messing up with a phone... I got infected with this disease here . Flashing woow ... lets you change the face and performance in minutes, new styles, apps, things to try. That left out iphone and blackberries cause they cant keep up with that. Nothing against them really, I know they are really good at what theyre meant to, but I make changse and update very often always trying to get the most out of the thing. Official updates arent enough for me. Agree with u that pre-emptive true multitasking is an asset but mentioned the iphone as an example of responsive and coherent interface. Have friends that cant live without their iphones but have to admit that all of them took it for trendy reasons without even reading a review and were astonished cause they all came from dumb phones.
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You called the android platform immature.. Well you are both ...
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Yeep inmature relative not only to age but number of devices in market right now and os released nothing more I think. But i got your metaphor. Im not saying its more or less stable.... just dont know Its a way of saying is a very young OS relative to WinMo. Indeed seems that, as you said, switching to android is easier than making the trip to WinMo and that was my point because this learning curve have to do mainly with the interface been intuitive and coherent .... dont you think?
BTW did you know any fact or feature you think make android more stable os than winmo? Or its just a feeling?
Opinions ........
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I am stuck on some "fun" apps I have which are M$...such as Insaniquarium. I love my ebooks which are on repligo or pdf.
I am a busy mom to 9 year old twins...my dinosaur Wizard has been a stable friend for almost 4 years. On road trips I hand it to a kid to watch a movie, or listen to MP3s, or to play one of 20+ games I have installed. It serves as my phone book, scheduling manager, I've even used it to create a last minute presentation.
I am looking to move to the My Touch, as old reliable has seen better days...but I am needing the same abilities as I listed above.
Will I get this with Android?? On the Tmo site it says it sync's with M$...so can I run my M$ based apps on it (like Insaniquarium), or will I have to buy something new, and or settle for not having a favorite app?
Any help you can give would be appreciated. For my needs, will the My Touch be a nice fit, or should I consider buying a used Kaiser from e-bay?
Thanks in advance.
A group on facebook trying to get microsoft and HTC to give us wp7s on our HD2s
http://tinyurl.com/hd2wp7
please join me - something has got to work eventually
£500 spent on THE best phone anywhere and so don't want to buy the same phone again just with different buttons to get wp7s option.
Currently at 100+ supporters.
If you don't want it on your hd2 - join anyway - lets rally up support to not let microsoft or htc forget its customers and give us options. and show that the customer is what's important.
No thanks!!
I like multi-tasking, cut and paste and other features Microsoft will remove from WP7
have no idea what MS is thinking about...is it against history?
I don't want it.
I quite enjoy C&P, multitasking, and non-blocky UI. I'll pass on this one.
don't want it... reasons?
after watching the mix10 videos all about developing apps etc... wp7s looks quite promising.
I'm sure xda-developers community can have wp7 doing whatever they want after launch - they always do.
I tried the wp7s theme - hated it as I love my htc sense...
this will have to be developed into an app. so many of us will miss that feature and I'm sure htc won't let us down.
we have much to look forward to.
check the developers videos from mix10 recently.
http://live.visitmix.com/
no thanks, ugly UI, no multitasking, locked down.
I'll stay where I am til somebody gets android running on it.
for the last time....
it's never gonna happen guys. Even if HTC wanted it it's just impossible, and I'm pretty sure it won't get ported either. Here's why...
MINIMUM requirement of 8gb storage, no initial support for micro sd - maybe ROM would fit on our HD2s but if a micro sd can't be natively read by the OS then we won't be able to store very much at all, and I bet this OS isn't without a fair share of caching.
No existing framework for adapting the device to our hardware since it is build on CE 6 like the Zune. No existing software will flash our device and we won't be able to rely on flashing from SD card.
different hardware button layout. Strict requirements indicate that drivers etc will be consistent and generic and so in all likelihood our buttons would not work. other problems could be that being as a camera button is a listed requirement there would be no software based means of starting up the camera...so no camera.
We struggle just to get the newer WM6 builds working properly so how on earth anyone expects WM7 to surface on here is beyond me.
That Facebook group is no less a pointless endeavor than Farmville; which is probably more realistic.
People really don't know how to get over it do they? Seriously sick of all the crap threads clogging up the forums of people having a whine.
Might as well Try and get iPhone OS on there - that only uses a 500mb /system partition so we'd have 12mb free for apps ;-)
Majority of people has no clue what having freedom is like.
We know better. Now that I'm using an actual open platform, I can't go back. No, I will not go back.
I don't want it either.
And even if it turns out to be good, I'd want it to get a bit mature before getting it, so that there is an app offer and the bugs are ironed out (remenber everything MS did, except Windows 7 that now already works great, wasn't reliable until SP1!). So by that time (1-2 years from now) there will certainly be another great phone to replace the HD2.
Fighting for WM7P is like petition to cut half of function just because that new OS is launched.
Do You always choose what's newest on market but not what's best ?
I like aspects of WM7 but taking out cut and paste and gimping multi tasking is lame and seems to go against the business and heavy users that have supported MS and the WM OS for so long. Not to mention HTC's UI is so well done and worth hanging on to... even if it gets customized itself.
The semi multi tasking aspects of WM7 could work, but there are programs I want to run at once and easily be able to switch between actively. Instant messaging, browsing, and reading RSS all at once should be possible. Doesnt kill my Fuse and doesnt require me to pause or close one then open the other and back and forth.
I'll take the HD2 as it is for now.
There are rummors that new WinMo7 will not have calling functionality, at least not in the first release. But, who cares ! It will be new ! Let's flash it !
Damn, Peoples open You eyes !
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There are rummors that new WinMo7 will not have calling functionality, at least not in the first release. But, who cares ! It will be new ! Let's flash it !
Damn, Peoples open You eyes !
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nice. very nicely done.
It does amaze Me theses new and "greater" windows operating systems seem to look pretty but slowly loose the functionality of the previous versions.. classic example Win 7 compared to the best OS they ever released! Windows XP
Hi guys, did you see this new....
What devs thinks about this....at first hand, gives a hope to HD2....i think.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=14443&utm...tm_campaign=Feed:+WmPowerUser+(WM+Power+User)
MS can shove 7 up the arse for me i dont want it,
Cant say i want WM7 on my HD2 as its like going back two steps, i will leave the WM7 FB group to the upgrade junkies.
Here's the thing ... I have been using winmo smartphones since the first SPV hit the UK. I have always loved them for their customisability (did I make that word up?) ... customisingness ... you know what I mean
With forums like this for constant tweaks and themes and apps and all sorts, winmo has been great for me. With an HD2 and sense 2.5 custom roms my phone does nearly everything I want it to ... phone/net/messaging/camera/music player/weather/twitter etc etc, and it does it in a very pleasing eye-candy laden manner, one which is customised to exactly the way I like it and is easily changeable when I get bored of looking at the same wallpaper/icons/taskbar/softkeys etc etc, which inevitably happens every few minutes.
Now, I know that winmo as an operating system sucks balls, but I am looking at the overall experience that I have with my phone - I gotta say that the HD2 is the fastest, most reliable phone I have ever used. The HTC sense stuff is probably the reason for most of it being good & looking nice.
So I find myself messing around with android, obviously which is noweher near finished, but you can get the general idea of it. Now, it looks very nice, and it seems to have some nice features ... but really, what is the main reason people want android so badly? I have looked around the android forums and seen that there are some custom roms & tweaks etc, but is it anywhere near as customisable as winmo?
Everyone seems so down on MS, and wondows 7 looks set to be another **** up, but look at the fun we have all had from winmo so far. Without the constant tweaking, customising, forum dwelling etc, I think a huge part of my mobile experience would disappear - the best part.
What do you guys think? Are there good reasons why android could be more fun than winmo in future? Does anybody still love their winmo experience ... even despite the actual winmo bits?
Let's talk.
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Here's the thing ... I have been using winmo smartphones since the first SPV hit the UK. I have always loved them for their customisability (did I make that word up?) ... customisingness ... you know what I mean
With forums like this for constant tweaks and themes and apps and all sorts, winmo has been great for me. With an HD2 and sense 2.5 custom roms my phone does nearly everything I want it to ... phone/net/messaging/camera/music player/weather/twitter etc etc, and it does it in a very pleasing eye-candy laden manner, one which is customised to exactly the way I like it and is easily changeable when I get bored of looking at the same wallpaper/icons/taskbar/softkeys etc etc, which inevitably happens every few minutes.
Now, I know that winmo as an operating system sucks balls, but I am looking at the overall experience that I have with my phone - I gotta say that the HD2 is the fastest, most reliable phone I have ever used. The HTC sense stuff is probably the reason for most of it being good & looking nice.
So I find myself messing around with android, obviously which is noweher near finished, but you can get the general idea of it. Now, it looks very nice, and it seems to have some nice features ... but really, what is the main reason people want android so badly? I have looked around the android forums and seen that there are some custom roms & tweaks etc, but is it anywhere near as customisable as winmo?
Everyone seems so down on MS, and wondows 7 looks set to be another **** up, but look at the fun we have all had from winmo so far. Without the constant tweaking, customising, forum dwelling etc, I think a huge part of my mobile experience would disappear - the best part.
What do you guys think? Are there good reasons why android could be more fun than winmo in future? Does anybody still love their winmo experience ... even despite the actual winmo bits?
Let's talk.
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I think many users are looking at Android, because it straddles the line between ultimate customizability (WinMo) and a modern touch-enabled application-rich OS (iPhone). While many of the tweaks for WinMo are to change the UI to suit the user, a large number are also needed for the smooth operation of the devices, which some don't want to bother with, myself included at times.
WinMo is fine for me, because it provides me an acceptable level of Exchange integration, decent web browsing and email support. However, Android provides those as well, in a more consistent experience, without as much need to worry about random bugs that plague the otherwise decent experience.
Hello Guys,
i am french.
i am using winmo since it starts. i have bought more than 20 phone devices.
actually i use the hd2 and i find it very great.
i see android also. i agree with you.
winmo is good because you can do everything or near with it.
but some great editors has decided not to continue dev on winmo like skype...
some great games also does not ported or developed on winmo like belote (french card game), sccrabble (in french), etc, and some great apps.
but i continue to say that winmo is great and with forum like here it grow everytime.
i hope that new devices like hd2, in future, winmo will find a place with a new terrible version.
there is a lot of things to say but the most important is that everyone have a prefered system and continue to compare them will permit to make a good choice.
thanks to xda... without you all, i don't know..
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While many of the tweaks for WinMo are to change the UI to suit the user, a large number are also needed for the smooth operation of the devices, which some don't want to bother with, myself included at times.
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Yeah, I guess I am thinking of this in a purely selfish way. I imagine the part of the overall winmo ownership that bothers with all the tweaking is relatively small, so in the big picture I guess there are alot more people who rely on stock windows mobile roms that are lacking.
Is android that customisable? E.g can you edit icons on the programs list? Is it just a bit early and android will soon have all the tweaks that winmo currently has? I am hoping so because it is open source.
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Hello Guys,
i am french.
i am using winmo since it starts. i have bought more than 20 phone devices.
actually i use the hd2 and i find it very great.
i see android also. i agree with you.
winmo is good because you can do everything or near with it.
but some great editors has decided not to continue dev on winmo like skype...
some great games also does not ported or developed on winmo like belote (french card game), sccrabble (in french), etc, and some great apps.
but i continue to say that winmo is great and with forum like here it grow everytime.
i hope that new devices like hd2, in future, winmo will find a place with a new terrible version.
there is a lot of things to say but the most important is that everyone have a prefered system and continue to compare them will permit to make a good choice.
thanks to xda... without you all, i don't know..
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I agree with you about the developers. For a long time I thought that SBSH was the best software company around, but they abandoned their winmo apps in favour of iPone a long time ago and they lost pace with the htc sense/touchflo market and now their famous today apps are history, pretty much. Seems like many developers have/are abandoning winmo, looks from some reviews fo far that windows 7 will fail.
The key is that Windows Mobile as we know it is about to die a death - there is no support for it any more from either Microsoft or application makers. And from what we have read of the upcoming WM 7, Microsoft seem to have taken a leaf out of Apple's book in that it takes away a lot of the control from the user and is a whole lot less customizable, which is the main feature that appeals to the current WM user base. As such I strongly suspect WM 7's life cycle is going to be short as it seems to me it hasn't really got a target audience - people who want an easy ride and have their hand held buy an iPhone while people who want more control buy an Android device. Who is going to buy a WM7 device? Certainly not the current WM users as the differences are such that there is effectively no similarities beyond the name.
Android is by far the best operating system available on a phone in my opinion. It has the advantage of ease of use along with being highly customizable, the best of both worlds so to speak. It's support is increasing all the time (there are more Android devices than iPhones now) and with Google's muscle it's going to go from strength to strength.
Pretty much what everybody said. Mainly Pagnell made good point.
Let me make my little point too.
The thing why many wants ANDROID (including me, now that I have tried it) is that because Winmo remained the same for a long time. It's basic architecture and overall experience is aimed at older less powerful devise. I use my phone for entertainment and web browsing. The web expericence (opera 10) is imho the best of Handheld OSs, but entertainment lacks a lot. There are only few good looking games. There are even fewer which uses new technology as G-sensor. And multitouch is totally messed up because of the HTC.
So the main problem is, that Winmo aplications (and system as a whole) is aimed for larger scale of phones and in that sense doesnt provide good applications for the newest models (like HD2). Only Great entertainment app for WinMo that can stress HD2 is FPSEce which is also my best reason to stay with Winmo =)
The main reason why I stayed with WinMo is the ability to install applications to memory card... can't do that with the Android...
WinMo is not as bad as you think... check out the link:
http://jkontherun.com/2009/11/23/windows-mobile-vs-android-winmo-is-better-than-you-think/
Pagnell said:
The key is that Windows Mobile as we know it is about to die a death - there is no support for it any more from either Microsoft or application makers. And from what we have read of the upcoming WM 7, Microsoft seem to have taken a leaf out of Apple's book in that it takes away a lot of the control from the user and is a whole lot less customizable, which is the main feature that appeals to the current WM user base. As such I strongly suspect WM 7's life cycle is going to be short as it seems to me it hasn't really got a target audience - people who want an easy ride and have their hand held buy an iPhone while people who want more control buy an Android device. Who is going to buy a WM7 device? Certainly not the current WM users as the differences are such that there is effectively no similarities beyond the name.
Android is by far the best operating system available on a phone in my opinion. It has the advantage of ease of use along with being highly customizable, the best of both worlds so to speak. It's support is increasing all the time (there are more Android devices than iPhones now) and with Google's muscle it's going to go from strength to strength.
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I agree entirely. I think it's a shame what seems to be happening to winmo - I don't know how much credibility the forum-user community has ever had in the mobile devices world, but for me as a user it has been an exciting experience from day 1. My mobile experience has been interlinked with forums & customisation since day 1 and it has involved sharing a great deal with a great deal of people on the web. I have/do enjoy it as a part of the experience.
If android takes over as the place to be for all the fun of customising then so be it. MS should hang their heads in shame for allowing winmo to die off, but it has been fun.
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The main reason why I stayed with WinMo is the ability to install applications to memory card... can't do that with the Android...
WinMo is not as bad as you think... check out the link:
http://jkontherun.com/2009/11/23/windows-mobile-vs-android-winmo-is-better-than-you-think/
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You can with Froyo 2.2
I hate the only thing about Android that is really pain in the a$ - transition effects are LOUSY ... not comperable to iPhone and that is the biggest flaw of Andorid. Even WinMo Sense has better transition than Android... Tried EVO and X - LOUSY CHOPPY transition effects and not comparable not only to iPhone but not comparable to WinMo as well.
Moving from WinMo to Android, I realised that there is no equivalent of ActiveSync (or WMDC) for direct synchronisation to Outlook on the desktop. I prefer to keep my PIM info to myself and not rely on the cloud based services Google is encouraging.
Is there an Android equivalent?
Each system has its own benefits and drawbacks. With WM I can use offline gps maps with igo or tom tom, I can get great idle battery life, great outlook sync and several UI options with sense(max, cookie) or SPB Shell. Android is more sophisticated under the hood, looks and feels more smooth, has a great app market and is actively being developed and updated.
Having both of these on the HD2 is something other smartphone users will never have the opportunity to have.
I'm also tired of android and iphone users killing windows mobile. Most of them have never used it and aren't aware how well it can run. WM takes a little effort to get a custom rom and good software but its still a good system.
Indeed! Having both winmo & android on an hd2 seems an appropriate pay off for years of supporting mobile development on forums.
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which runs on exactly how many devices??? (without rooting and running a custom ROM)
I really don't know why you guys say that winmo is more costumizable than android. I own a tmobile g1, nexus one, an HD2 and have owned other winmo phones and I can honestly tell you that android is as costumizable or more than winmo. IMO Android is superior in almost everything than winmo. Really the only reason I bought the HD2 was for the screen. I had never owned a phone with such a huge screen . You can't compare winmo to android port for HD2 since it is nowhere near finished. Just look at the G1/Dream forum, there are ALOT of roms, mods, themes, apps and tweaks for it even though it was the first android phone ever and has been left behind by much better and newer android phones. I'm a power user with my phones (even take it when going to restroom lol) and even though I love the HD2 hardware I can't leave android. I guess everyone gets used to a certain OS and it depends alot on a user's needs but I'm just giving you MY opinion and by a means I respect everyone else's opinion.
Right now, WinMo is way more customizable than android. Most android users that say android is as customizable don't even realize everything that is changeable and skinnable and customizable on winmo. Pretty much EVERYTHING on WinMo can be changed to look and act the way you want. It takes a lot of work and time and playing around to do it and get it working good, though.
WinMo is the most versatile mobile os available right now, imo. The main issue is that support and developers for it are coming to an end. It was always aimed more at business and power users and was never made user friendly enough and never advertised enough for the average phone user. WinMo was originally designed as a pocket pc os, then when phones and pocket pcs converged, phone functions were added to winmo. Android was designed as a phone os to begin with, and are adding more functionality as its developed, so its a lot more user friendly and understandable to the average phone consumer. Android is catching up in its versatility and functionality as it developed, and will one day be more functional than winmo, i'm sure. But WinMo is a great os to power users, business users, and people who know it well, and it will be a while before android matches it's versatility. I know many android fans will argue that, but I've used winmo for 8 years and android for more than 2 years... and I love them both... but I would pick winmo over android right now. In a year, I may change my mind as android is constantly being developed and has a LOT of apps, while WinMo is dying.
But the great thing with the HD2 and most current winmo devices is that we can run android also... so when I need to run a specific android app or just want to play around with android, I can quickly boot into it. You can't boot into winmo with android devices. I think I will be using my HD2 for a long time, as it's going to be probably the greatest winmo device ever made, and I'll be able to use android... and the way the devs are developing android on the HD2, I think it will actually be close to as functional as a native android device a lot sooner than I thought it would be. It's being developed quicker than any previous android port to a winmo device in the past.
As a avid android supporter and a owner of an hd2 I really like having both windows mobile and android.
with the recent port of Android to the hd2 I am happy to have my widgets back .
A lot of what I missed about android was its skinned interface. Sure windows is skinned but when you by pass sense you end up seeing the ugly windows ce look.
It drives me batty.
Also windows is dying. It is getting hard
er and harder to find apps. Those apps also dont get updated either.
I have no interest in windows mobile 7
And I had it with the iphone and any other apple products.
btw android is just as customizable as windows mobile. Much in the say ways .. atleast in my opinion
I would agree with mustang_3kgt, it also baffles me when people argue to get hd2 or to stick to it because it is very customisable since it is based on WinMo. I use my hd2 since february and i agree that it is customisable and it is pretty easy once you know what you are doing. But customisability of a phone in my opinion should not be measured by the mere ability to customise every single bit, but by the existing possibilities to customise. what i mean for instance is the number of themes available for hd2/sense 2.5. as far as i know there are just 4 themes: GTX, Fallout, Buuf and Anastasia, thats it. yesterday i checked nexus 1's forum and on the first page i bumped into 5 good looking themes. i know you would say you have winmo and customise your phone in a way you want to, but not every user has the necessary design skills.
as it has already been said, winmo is a dying platform, android in a hardware like hd2 (4.3 inches screen) is the future
What is all this winmo is dead and abandoned stuff?
There is as much or more activity on this forum for WinMo as there was a year ago.
There are many more websites and forums devoted to WinMo and WinMo apps than there was a year ago.
There are two new WinMo marketplace sites under active development.
Microsoft just released Office Mobile 2010 and gave it to their 6.5 customers. Is that abandonment? Phones are still being sold with WinMo on them new.
There are not as many WinMo apps, but does there need to be? When did quantity, not quality, become the better parameter?
All you have to do is mention a need for an app on these forums and if it seems worthwhile a team jumps on it and develops it.
With WinMo there are almost as many themes as phones. It is so customizable that everyone can have their own amazing theme.
What did the man say? "The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated!"
I have tried my best to like wm7 but imho its lagging far behind Android and dare I say Apple, although it is faster.
I like the new look with the tiles and the rest of the ststem, but get past that to the functionality of it and it does seem lacking.
I can't use it on my pc as disc storage to transfer files, what were they thinking.
No navigation aid
Even putting your own ringtone on it is a bit of a chore, in this day and age of tech could they not have come up with something more user friendly, ie put mp3 on phone-select said mp3 and then choose "set as ringtone/notification."
If I'm honest I just don't see the point of this phone 7, I really feel they have missed the boat, Google and Apple must be killing themselves laughing.
I know I will probably get flamed for this but its just my opinion and I know I can go back to wm6.5 or Android (which I will), but just wanted to try it, glad I did as I'm due an upgrade soon and was seriously thinking of a windows 7 phone but will stick with Android or maybe try Blackberry
Anyway thanks for listening.
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The USB storage is a little disappointing but not as disappointing as Android's failure to play movies without serious editing skills.
The overall experience is far superior to Apple and Android.MI
it's really a stunning OS, Zune and the social sites, is not unlike a high quality magazine...I've used and enjoyed many Android builds (Thank you XDA DEvs), owned every iPhone, a Galaxy Vibrant S too, but my favourite is the HD2 particularly now running Windows Phone7 flawlessly.
oh and Netflix too
I think its important to remember that Microsoft got seriously screwed over on WM. They provided the core OS that was very very open which was great of course, but 3rd party companies an carriers took advantage of that. HTC for example, there initial versions of touch Flo were terrible, there graphics driver support was non existing, carriers then filled the thing with crap an modded it some more then we all blame MS for it being slow and unstable.
I think as much as I like wm for its openness, I believe MS had little choice, back then MS let everyone else make the image of wm an that bckfired. This way might be a bit of a pain just now but I believe as MS gets more in tune with developing it will get better.
Tell me, MS released updates to wm all the time, how many legit updates did your carrier give you?
The carriers had MS by the balls on the WM model of operating and it was Ms that got the flack
dazza9075 said:
I think its important to remember that Microsoft got seriously screwed over on WM. They provided the core OS that was very very open which was great of course, but 3rd party companies an carriers took advantage of that. HTC for example, there initial versions of touch Flo were terrible, there graphics driver support was non existing, carriers then filled the thing with crap an modded it some more then we all blame MS for it being slow and unstable.
I think as much as I like wm for its openness, I believe MS had little choice, back then MS let everyone else make the image of wm an that bckfired. This way might be a bit of a pain just now but I believe as MS gets more in tune with developing it will get better.
Tell me, MS released updates to wm all the time, how many legit updates did your carrier give you?
The carriers had MS by the balls on the WM model of operating and it was Ms that got the flack
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I totally agree. I was a WM developer when it was was first introduced. I love WM's open architecture and the POTENTIAL it provided.
Now, I love WP revamped UI/UX and some of the development tooling around it. However, IMO, I think it is too far towards the Apple route in that it tried to lock down too much. I would have loved it if they moved towards Android's paradigm.
I have a couple of friends who refuses to move off WM because they loved the fact that WM is so powerful and you can pretty much do anything to it. We will see what hapens in the next few months. Hopefully MS will release some updates that makes WP more interesting.
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I think it is too far towards the Apple route in that it tried to lock down too much. I would have loved it if they moved towards Android's paradigm.
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Couldn't agree more, maybe thats what I was trying to say but just ended up ramblingon on, it was 01:30 when I wrote it.
I agree to some extent, I am currently dual booting Android and WP7
I really enjoy the UI and fast slick appearance of the WP7, in fact its near on perfect until....you try to use more than one app at once and try to simple drag a file across to your phone.
Microsoft have got to sort out these few point NOW:
Enable the ability to run two or three applications at once, ie try playing Tunein Radio then send a text or do anything other than simply use tunein radio. this is just one example.
The only multi task available is music, this was how iOs started three years ago, I know you are working on it, but this update has to be released NOW...
Cut and paste yes this is hugely desirable, sort out the Marketplace stability and search functions, perhaps add folders all these things would be nice.
BUT the Multitasking issue is HUGE, take a look at Ebay or any other second hand phone sales forum, notice the increase of Windows Phones on there, I feel sorry for people who are restricted to just WP7, MS release a pathetic update that bricks a large percentage of phones and all the update is for is to pave the way for future updates, technology moves so fast, MS need to move fast on these updates, dual Tegra's, 3D phones, are nearly here and MS are floundering about with problematic updates and delays
It was a percentage but I wouldn't go as far as saying a large one, again multitasking brought wm to its knees sometimes, I agree it needs opened up a bit so I'm quite untreated in seeing what the new multitasking model allows. It will get there I'm sure but I think its important to let them build on what they have in a stable Manor, id rather that then them opening it up and some not so good developers release garbage that slows the system. Forinstance does your radio program stop all UI updates if screen is off or on another program... Dunno but just a thought
WP & HD2
HD2 is my first SmartPhone and my first go at customisng with ROMs etc.. Previously I've always had Sony Ericsson mobiles.
WM6.5 is a beast of an OS, true MS (infinitely hackable, proved by the existence of Xda) and made pretty and usable with HTC Sense.
As I use my phone for work as a PDA with 3rd Party CRM software I was concerned about the loss of function I was going to see with WP7. I need multi-tasking and touchscreen Signature capability, but I decided to bite the bullet and upgrade. I had some problems at first with the SD card, but since upgrading that the experience of WP7 has been hugely impressive. It looks good and does what it does very well. I've found it very stable, no awkward freezes or white screens (post SD Card change).
I've not tried the Maps app properly yet, but if it hooks with GPS, shows me a route and follows me as I drive (like Google Maps on WM6.5), I'm happy with that. I don't need or want the annoying turn by turn voice control of some over-paid celebrity or underpaid Google-geek.
I have lost the ability to use it for work, but I don't really like work that much anyway. And I have a spare HD2 to play with.
I've not used and have no plans to use Android or iOS, but from what I've seen of friends i-Phones, I'm not missing much apart from a huge library of catapult games and i-Gun apps (the Nuance Dragon Talk-2-Text(ish) app would be very nice to have though).
Thanks but no thanks, I'll wait til WP7 has been updated and the public finally get behind this awesome OS. An official ROM for HD2 would be lovely, but with the stablity, functionality and speed of the cooked ROMs I'm not too fussed.
Far from laughing, once MS gets this OS into gear and throw even a fraction of i-Apples marketing budget at it, Android & Apple are going to have a huge Windows shaped problem on their hands.
If what you want is an OS that you can tweak the hell out of then 6.5 is for you. If you just want to use your phone for phone calls, e-mails and music etc... then WP7 has got my vote.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=944711&page=2
A thread about getting iOS ported to HD2.
Sorry if i've gone off topic but......
m$ missed the boat? NO! They are a NEW boat which is growing and gaining speed. Just wait.
..wp7 is a unique os and feels great. It's not perfect yet but that will come in time when the most wanted features will be added.
For me Android is nice..but I like wp7 better! Even with it's shortcomings at this time.
I have had WP7 in the past on my HD2, but came back to Android...
reason, WP7 is trying to following iOS model, which does not work (for me) as MS dont make their own hardware.
Also, am guessing they rushed out the OS release, just to avoid being forgotten,
but in my view they could have waited a bit longer and release a more fully featured OS.
Granted a compnay develops a new OS , its going to have few misses here and there, but MS has previous experience of Mobile OS and that should have been better used.
Having said all that, I dont see MS loosing the Mobile battle, they have huge R&D capability coupled with past experience and ofcourse money.
If I have to stick my neck out , I would say the following can do wonders..
1. MS changes the Metro UI to make it more appealing or provides an option to do so.
2. Makes the OS a bit more open
At any rate, if we can wait for atleast 2 major(not minor like nodo) updates, the OS should be lot more capable.
I do like certain aspects of Win7 but they need to catchup pretty fast.
I was on Android too, but after WP7 was installed on my phone I do not wish to go back. The main reason: SIMPLICITY!
There are other reasons as well, like speed, beauty, ease of typing, etc.
Just yesterday I was helping my newbie friend set up his HTC Desire, and while doing so I was reminded once again why I do not wish to go back to Android. Too many steps in setup, screens slow to load (yeah guys, lets not pretend we don't see 'loading' way too many times when switching between screens, i.e., People, Bookmarks, etc) and a score of other things which turns me off. This is not to say that Android is bad, by no means, it is a great system and some people may prefer it to anything else. A matter of personal choice, no problem, I understand.
But please, please, stop bashing WP7 for this or that. It is a new system and while it may be so it is still much better than both Android and iOS were in their incipient stages. Or are you pretending you have forgotten that?!
MS is a too big of a company to enter this race with a half product, they are here to kill.
Look at what is coming up this year:
Multitasking MS Style
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I was on Android too, but after WP7 was installed on my phone I do not wish to go back. The main reason: SIMPLICITY!
There are other reasons as well, like speed, beauty, ease of typing, etc.
Just yesterday I was helping my newbie friend set up his HTC Desire, and while doing so I was reminded once again why I do not wish to go back to Android. Too many steps in setup, screens slow to load (yeah guys, lets not pretend we don't see 'loading' way too many times when switching between screens, i.e., People, Bookmarks, etc) and a score of other things which turns me off. This is not to say that Android is bad, by no means, it is a great system and some people may prefer it to anything else. A matter of personal choice, no problem, I understand.
But please, please, stop bashing WP7 for this or that. It is a new system and while it may be so it is still much better than both Android and iOS were in their incipient stages. Or are you pretending you have forgotten that?!
MS is a too big of a company to enter this race with a half product, they are here to kill.
Look at what is coming up this year:
Multitasking MS Style
IE9 Browser
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Totally agree with you as I said the same in a different vein earlier...
but just wanted to point out that 'loading' screen on HTC Sense based devices you see is a sense thing not stock Android..
I don't think MS tried to follow iPhone OS or similar!Thats why they created a newly simple OS.. Android is trying to mimic iPhone as the OS is pretty similar with it! the reason i gave my HD2 for an official Wp7 device is for the originality of product! I loved my HD2 but when i flashed wp7 the whole senario changed instantly! It's the 2nd time i respect Microsoft for doing such a Big step (the 1st was windows 7 PC).
The Wp7 OS is simple, user friendly and really fast because no apps or sources are running in the Background and that's really cool! The features are really awesome.. i only agree that they didn't include more features such as copy-paste, Home wallpapers and more; but for sure they will come up! Before the official realease i said "what the fcuk Microsoft did to this OS??? I hate it!" But actually when i got it in my hands i said "this is pure awesomeness!!!!!!!!"
WP7 has great potentials and i really love it; and i am glad they forgot Windows 6.5!
I am also glad that they came up with updates in no time! I am rest assured that they will update the OS frequently!
I think MS hit it right on with wp7.... yeah, it's limited right now, but what OS isn't on their 1st release. WP7 is way better than android or iphone was with their 1st versions. And already MS is getting an update ready to include multitasking, which looks awesome the way they're doing it. I think WP7 is going to catch up to android and iphone fast, and possibly pass them up in the next year or 2... we'll just have to wait and see.
Anyone who uses M$ to refer to Microsoft is usually a tool and or troll. I stopped reading after that.. It just shows they have a bias for whatever reason.
ha! was thinking the same thing
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Anyone who uses M$ to refer to Microsoft is usually a tool and or troll. I stopped reading after that.. It just shows they have a bias for whatever reason.
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Actually if you had read the first line you would have seen that I really wanted to like the system, I am a huge Fan of Microsoft maybe thats why I feel dissapointed with WP7. You call me a tool or troll when you've not even supposedly read the post, I expressed my opinion in what I thought was a polite manner, if a little $ upsets you that much then I feel sorry for you.
This is so typical of most forums, there are always a few who can't make a post without being rude or insulting.
Microsoft can still come on tops. Make Wm6.5 Open Source
I really hope they do make it happen, and I hope the next few updates prove me wrong and produce a top notch phone.