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[DISCUSSION] None qwerty equivalent of the Desire Z?

My previous query about whether to go for the Desire (Original) or the Desire Z has led me to ponder if there will be an equivalent of the Desire Z for people that don't want a qwerty.
Ideally, I would like to see an upgrade to the Desire incorporating all the features of the Z such as the improved multitouch, the upgraded processor, New HTC Sense, improved battery life (hopeful) and all other benefits but in the same form factor and size as the Desire.
I wonder why HTC haven't bothered with such a device?

Uh they did... the Desire HD (announced same time as Desire Z) that just launched in Europe:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirehd/overview.html

I'm aware of the Desire HD ... that's why I put this bit in my post :
"but in the same form factor and size as the Desire"
ie - the Desire HD is HUGE. I want the same features as the Desire Z but I don't want the qwerty OR the size of the HD.

xspyda said:
I'm aware of the Desire HD ... that's why I put this bit in my post :
"but in the same form factor and size as the Desire"
ie - the Desire HD is HUGE. I want the same features as the Desire Z but I don't want the qwerty OR the size of the HD.
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Oh I see.

They "havn't bothered" with such a device because the Desire was only released like 6 months ago! It's not exactly good business sense to release updated versions of the exact same phone several times a year, lol.
Another 6 months down the line and HTC's latest phones have even more features and benefits, and you'll want a Desire with those too?

Daffa, I have seen other manufacturers do just that! Whilst it may not be great business sense on the one hand, on the other it's giving customers what they want - ergo making them less likely to defect!
I like many thousands of others may well hanker after the latest and greatest further down the line - the fact that it may be not that much further down the line is down to the speed in which technology moves on!
Oh and if you are going to quote me to hilight my turn of phrase, maybe either use the quote feature or take a little more care with your spelling? - you had me wondering if *I* was the one that had got it wrong for a second there ;-p

I guess in the case of the iPhone this is true, but outside of that, I can't really think of anything else. Certainly nothing that is released in a 6 month time-span.
And yeah, I'm so annoyed about that mistake, lol. I constantly make that mistake and a friend of mine chastises me about it frequently. I'm stuck having done it for so long that I'm almost unable to not make the mistake unless I'm really really paying attention.

Daffa222 said:
I guess in the case of the iPhone this is true, but outside of that, I can't really think of anything else. Certainly nothing that is released in a 6 month time-span.
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Nokia (N95 / N95 8GB)

So....2 phones.
I wonder why HTC put out the Z and the HD..
Oh wait, now I remember, because people are buying 4" phones and 3.7" sliders, literally faster than they can be made.
There is a tiny, tiny, tiny market (compared to the people screaming for sliders and big-screened devices) for your bastard love child of the Desire and the Desire HD, and it's not even big enough for HTC to finish laughing it out of the R&D meetings.
A phone like that, the Z without the keyboard will happen eventually, but not at a time when horizontal sliders or giant media machines are the craze, eg, 2010.

I'm in the same boat - I've just returned the Desire Z because it was too heavy.
I currently own an HD2 which I find massive, and don't want the Desire HD because its even (slightly) bigger!
I grudge paying out £350 for a Desire when its 6 months old!
Ideally they'd make a Wildfire with a high resolution screen!

The Motorola Milestone 2, beats the Z on some specs but looses out on others.

GlitchZero said:
So....2 phones.
I wonder why HTC put out the Z and the HD..
Oh wait, now I remember, because people are buying 4" phones and 3.7" sliders, literally faster than they can be made.
There is a tiny, tiny, tiny market (compared to the people screaming for sliders and big-screened devices) for your bastard love child of the Desire and the Desire HD, and it's not even big enough for HTC to finish laughing it out of the R&D meetings.
A phone like that, the Z without the keyboard will happen eventually, but not at a time when horizontal sliders or giant media machines are the craze, eg, 2010.
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I disagree!
The original Desire was said by some to be the most popular smartphone of 2010 - and this falls into neither of your above categories.
The Desire being such a success is screaming out to be updated whilst keeping the same form factor IMO.

GlitchZero said:
There is a tiny, tiny, tiny market (compared to the people screaming for sliders and big-screened devices) for your bastard love child of the Desire and the Desire HD, and it's not even big enough for HTC to finish laughing it out of the R&D meetings.
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I would love a Desire HD or even a Dell Streak with a landscape qwerty keyboard

[Q] 'Original' Desire vs. Desire Z

Hi guys,
I'm about to choose a new phone and the Desire Z seems like a good option for me. I'm also considering the original Desire. The Desire HD is too big for me, so this phone isn't an option.
I know the Z has faster hardware, but is the Z really noticeable faster in everyday use? Gaming isn't important to me, because I rarely do it. And does the original Desire also get the Gingerbread update? Thank in advance
Greetz!

Yes the Desire Z is much faster (especially overclocked).
Not sure if the Desire will be able to get Gingerbread, but I doubt it.

Smartphone technology evolves quickly. Don't buy outdated phones unless you are on a budget.

Pickx is absolutely right:
never buy an outdated phone, otherwise I'd be recommending the HD2
The Desire Z is currently the latest and newest android phone, it has the most up-to-date SoC (system on chip), and the latest HTC Sense software.
PS: As a plus, it also has a hardware QWERTY keyboard
So... why would you ever consider picking the "old" Desire if you can get the new one ??

Well, the original Desire is more pocket friendly and I´m not entirely sure I need a hardware keyboard

Dakota85 said:
Well, the original Desire is more pocket friendly and I´m not entirely sure I need a hardware keyboard
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obviously it is more pocket friendly because it doesn't have a keyboard
it depends on your needs
I can't live without a keyboard

Dakota85 said:
Well, the original Desire is more pocket friendly and I´m not entirely sure I need a hardware keyboard
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I'm with you on this, in exactly the same position! Have you had any more thoughts on this?
I am considering the Desire Z for the improved spec but am also considerinig the Galaxy S (purely for the better sound and the fact I don't need a keyboard).
Incidentally, just how usable IS the DZ keyboard? Is it really worth having?

Get a real Desire HD, slip it in your pocket (or where ever you store your phone) then decide if its too big or not. It has an extremely slim profile for the amount of phone you get.
I thought the same about the HD, but it really is not that big. Its on the verge of being too big, i.e the Dell Streak has 0.7" more screen and is not really a pocket friendly device.

xspyda said:
Incidentally, just how usable IS the DZ keyboard? Is it really worth having?
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It's very nice, best keyboard I've used on a phone so far personally. Keyboard is a must-have item for me though, if you know you definitely won't use it..well it does add a bit of bulk but not as much as you'd think. It's about 2mm thicker than the Desire and D HD and about 15-20g heavier.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z using XDA App

Thanks xerawx - that's good to know but I am still a little undecided. That said, I am tempted to buy and if I am not happy with it I cam return. Seems the best way to me

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Incidentally, just how usable IS the DZ keyboard? Is it really worth having?
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I found the DZ keyboard too big for my hands. I have average sized hands, but found that I had to stretch from the normal holding position to reach the middle keys. I ended up just using the on-screen keyboard after a few hours as it was much quicker than the hardware keyboard.
With that in mind, coupled with the loose hinge, I returned the DZ for a refund. What is the point in lugging round a 180g phone which is pretty brick like if I'm never going to use the hardware keyboard?
Now I'm back with my HD2 running Android until I can find something else that I like.
I grudge paying £350ish for a Desire when its a 6 month old phone... and I'm not really wanting a Desire HD as its bigger (fractionally) than my HD2 - which I already think is too big!
Every HTC phone thats been reviewed lately has been critisized for its speakeer and camera... is it time to change manufacturer? I've had 3 HTC's in a row and been happy with them all.

Should i buy a DesireZ/G2 or wait ?

Should i buy a Htc DesireZ / G2 or wait for a phone with qwerty kbd and dual core like Snapdragon/Tegra2 ?
Is it really worth to buy a G2, or phones like i mentioned will take time to appear in the market ?
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It depends on what you currently have, but the g2 is a good pick if you're coming from a much older device.

Up to you really. I personally just upgraded to the DZ/G2 and it's looking and feeling great. A HUGE upgrade from my previous HTC Hero with a faster CPU and RAM and all that junk.
If you really did want to wait tho, I do believe that the newer dual core/Tegra2 phones are set to be released later this year (summer/fall) so if you can hold out till then, you can pick up one of the newer ones.
Alot of people are saying the DZ/G2 is "dated" but it really isn't. It's able to keep up with my brothers DHD once it was overclocked to 1GHz and easily surpassed his stock DHD once I tried over 1GHz on the clock speed.
If you're not that finicky about hardware, the DZ/G2 is a solid choice. Easily be able to last you 2 years before the really good quad core/tegra4 phones get released
EDIT: Here's a partial list of upcoming phones with Android: http://www.611connect.com/blog/merben-upcoming-android-smartphones-2011
Regards.

I have a Touch Pro2, and want a native Android handset with qwerty kbd and fast performance.
I also want hi-res (800*480) and at least a 3.5" screen, which provides good readability without zooming and lots of content on-screen.
And the Z/G2 is the only phone that suits my prefs right now...
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Coming from the Touch Pro 2 (like I did), and get the DZ/G2, you will wonder why you even questioned the purchase. Its so far ahead of your old WM phone, its going to knock you on your rear in terms of speed, smoothness, and stability. The DZ is the best phone around with a hardware keyboard.
Doesn't seem like there will be a better HTC phone with keyboard coming out anytime soon. And I'd only buy a phone like this (with keyboard) from HTC. The other manufacturers just can't seem to get hardware keyboards right. And this is all assuming your local carrier (or phones compatible with your carrier) will be released on a timely basis.
Obviously, the treadmill of technology guarantees that something better is always on the way. But if you go 6 months or even a year without regretting your purchase (wishing you had waited), you've done just great. And my instinct is that this will be the case.

redpoint73 said:
Doesn't seem like there will be a better HTC phone with keyboard coming out anytime soon. And I'd only buy a phone like this (with keyboard) from HTC.....
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I reckon Redpoint has hit the nail on the head here. Considering the 2year gap between the G1 -> G2, i'd be v-suprised if there was a worthy successor (from HTC) within the next 9 months or so.
So it depends on how long you are willing to make do with your current handset.

I'm in a similar situation, my only concern is that I buy the DZ and then a HTC Merge variant becomes available in Europe (3.8" screen, no trackpad)

That's right, new model replaces old one usually in a year time basis...
HTC DESIRE Z is an excellent choice, and you won't regret it.
This claim comes from someone who changed this year only following devices:
- PALM PRE
- HTC HD2
- SAMSUNG B7330 OMNIA PRO
- SAMSUNG WAVE
- SAMSUNG GALAXY S
- and now last two months HTC DESIRE Z...
@ gerryr what do you have against opt.trackpad?
It is very useful when moving cursor in any text entry related app...

gerryr said:
I'm in a similar situation, my only concern is that I buy the DZ and then a HTC Merge variant becomes available in Europe (3.8" screen, no trackpad)
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You're holding out for a tenth of an inch screen size difference? And as already mentioned, the trackpad can be very handy for moving the cursor accurately between text characters.
It would seem very odd for HTC to make a Euro GSM variant of the Merge, basically making it back into a Desire Z (as the specs are almost exactly the same between the DZ and the Merge), which is already widely available in Europe. But who knows, cell phone companies do weird/unexpected things all the time.

I only remember using the optical track on the desire a handful of times, really don't think it's needed.
I take your point though, doubtful they'll release it in Europe given the similarities of the rest of the spec

gerryr said:
I only remember using the optical track on the desire a handful of times, really don't think it's needed.
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I hear ya. Many people on here have mentioned that they find the trackpad useless. But for me, I find it useful, particularly correcting text in SMS or email. I can't place the cursor with single character precision using the touchscreen.
Its also nice if you switch to CM7, or otherwise mod the phone for trackpad button wake. I press the trackpad to wake just about every
time I use my phone now.

You mean there are people that actually DONT use trackpad to wake their device but instead reach for the top right corner?

Trackpad wake for the win.. I'd go nuts if I had to use the actual power button all the time =[

I have checked and can't find out where the setting is to make the trackball work like the power button, can you help me? Oh and I run CM7RC2
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bradley_e_smith said:
I have checked and can't find out where the setting is to make the trackball work like the power button, can you help me? Oh and I run CM7RC2
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Not sure if it works for CM7, but here's a link you can try
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/trackpad-wake-for-your-htc-desire-z/

I have a G2 and its a terrific phone. The trackpad is basically only my power button since text selection in gingerbread is... well there actually is text selection.
If your phone isn't on fire though I would suggest waiting because there is going to be a wave of dual core awesome coming out this summer so you might as well wait for the next train instead of jumping on the one leaving the station.

I have a myTouch 4G and even though dual cores are around the corner I won't regret this buy. G2 and MT4G's are so quick as it is, I don't really need a dual core. Apps open in an instant and multi tasking is as quick as can be. I say if you just need a new phone now because you can't handle your old slow phone then go ahead and upgrade. The G2 is a very solid phone.
Only hold out for a dual core if you plan on doing some heavy gaming with high graphics. But other than that, go grab a G2.

bradley_e_smith said:
I have checked and can't find out where the setting is to make the trackball work like the power button, can you help me? Oh and I run CM7RC2
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Settings>CyanogenMod settings>Input, and you will see an option for Trackpad wake under "Buttons".
If you want trackpad unlock (not just wake) you can go to Settings>CyanogenMod settings>Lockscreen>Unlock options. But this seems like an easy way to accidentally unlock your phone while in your pocket.

ScurvyJ said:
If your phone isn't on fire though I would suggest waiting because there is going to be a wave of dual core awesome coming out this summer so you might as well wait for the next train instead of jumping on the one leaving the station.
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Dualcore phones are coming out, but OP was specific about a hardware keyboard. Nothing like that has been announced from HTC yet, so it will likely be some time (has HTCeven announced any dual core phones yet?). So I'm betting it will be at least fall, if not later, before a HTC phone with a comparable form factor to the Vision (but dual core) is released. And frankly for the most part, I don't care about any other manufacturers besides HTC. They always tend to have some combination of cheap housings, poor developer support, and crappy keyboards.

Why wait troll. You could die tonight for all we know. Enjoy the now. Get your G2 and become a Vatican assassin like us. Do the right thing pal. We're watching you
meXdroid GingerMex Habanero fast

Thinking of trading the Desire Z for the Desire S.. should I?

I have had the desire Z for 2 months now.. love it really.
Except a few things..:
1) it's weight.. this is just the biggest turn-off for me. I like traveling lightweight and I thought I'd get used to it but right now I really just prefer a lighter phone..
2) Do i really need the keyboard? it feels good to use the keyboard to type, yes, but there are times where I tried the onscreen keyboard and it worked too, and I don't think I was much slower.
3) The hinge just feels too loose.. makes the device feel cheap. I dont like having the feeling that my front screen will fall out anytime.
4) No frontfacing camera. I will be traveling abroad next semester, and the option to be able to see my family while I'm outside is nice.
Now there are things I really like and will miss if I trade this phone in:
1) the trackpad. I just love it! I use it to wake up my phone now. I use it to slide across my screens on launcherpro just because it's so fun. I really am thinking of keep it just for the safe of the trackpad. I also find the trackpad to be the easiest button for picture taking.
2) the keyboard allows you to see the screen while inputting, instead of the white input screen.
3) camera button for quick access to camera!
Well i'm currently still deciding.. the lightweight desire S is really attractive to me right now.. but I want the trackpad so bad.. sigh.. anyone here experienced how moving away from this phone is like?

I have thought about this as well, I really like the look and feel of the desire s. But and its a big but, I wouldn't only get one when the bootloader has been cracked. I don't like sense very much, so cm7 or another aosp build is a must for me.
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Well it is a more powerful phone, and it looks like it may meet more of your needs.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2

Ya Trade it.
If keyboard is not important then get the Desire S.
I hate how heavy my Desire Z is with 1800 battery but i need keyboard....

thunder9111 said:
I have had the desire Z for 2 months now.. love it really.
Except a few things..:
1) it's weight.. this is just the biggest turn-off for me. I like traveling lightweight and I thought I'd get used to it but right now I really just prefer a lighter phone..
2) Do i really need the keyboard? it feels good to use the keyboard to type, yes, but there are times where I tried the onscreen keyboard and it worked too, and I don't think I was much slower.
3) The hinge just feels too loose.. makes the device feel cheap. I dont like having the feeling that my front screen will fall out anytime.
4) No frontfacing camera. I will be traveling abroad next semester, and the option to be able to see my family while I'm outside is nice.
Now there are things I really like and will miss if I trade this phone in:
1) the trackpad. I just love it! I use it to wake up my phone now. I use it to slide across my screens on launcherpro just because it's so fun. I really am thinking of keep it just for the safe of the trackpad. I also find the trackpad to be the easiest button for picture taking.
2) the keyboard allows you to see the screen while inputting, instead of the white input screen.
3) camera button for quick access to camera!
Well i'm currently still deciding.. the lightweight desire S is really attractive to me right now.. but I want the trackpad so bad.. sigh.. anyone here experienced how moving away from this phone is like?
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I will answer your question, how does it feel moving away from this phone? - Miserable - Simple one word... Well... I haven't 100% moved away from my G2/DZ, I just needed one thing which this phone doesn't have, a Front Facing Camera, it was more important to me than to have a physical keyboard... and hence I purchased Moto Atrix. Great phone and all the goodies as higher res screen, dual core processor, etc... but nothing as much fun as owning a G2/DZ.
You can mod your G2/DZ, you get the sturdy and rock solid feel holding this phone in your hand, you have the DLNA support and also you can OverClock your phone...
I don't know how Desire S really feels so no comments.
If you don'r really like the heft, you don't really need the keyboard, go for any other phone, I am sure all the new phone have some or the other advantage over G2/DZ.
Note : Since I love this phone too much, i haven't let it go, i have it as my other phone, which I don't carry with me, but I usually play with my phone as soon as I get home... it becomes primary

GF's Desire S is a nice piece of kit. If you don't want a keyboard, I'd trade it. it's definitely zippier. Not enough to make me want to upgrade out of contract, though.

How about the htc sensation... that looks nice its a bit bigger though lol

I'm not sure if I can wait that long for the sensation though
Plus even the desire Z's cpu has been enough for my needs.. I don't really know why i would need duo-core.. unless it improves the battery dramatically which will be a different story.
Today I will meet someone who may want to buy my desire Z.
If it's sold today then I shall move to the next phone. If not, then I'll just keep it.
Just wish it was a bit lighter..

Getting a Desire S is, with all due respect, a pretty bad idea unless you can get it for very cheap.
I can understand your reasons for disliking the DZ, but the DS has nearly identical specs and there has been a big leap in processing power, especially now with the SGS2's Exynos processor which is a huge step up from the DZ's MSM7230.
The DS's specs were antiquated when it was released. If thos matters to you, you might want to look elsewhere

ive always been told if your gonna do something, do it right dont go and buy the desire s on a whim when the sensation is just around the corner lol
id save my money, keep the desire z if theres nothing wrong with it and when the sensation does come out, try it out before you buy it, if you dont like it then go for the desire s... the desire s will be cheaper then as well... so its win win

Yeah, Sensation is supposed to be out this or the next month, and even though I would say Desire S is a great phone and a viable replacement I would do at least, Sensation going retail in so short timespan is rendering it obsolete. Furthermore, I can hardly imagine that Desire S will get the developers attention here as Desire did as most of them already bought DHD. Sensation might end up with load of awesomeness though
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no doubt about the sensation getting development.... i reckon the development around it will be somewhat like the htc hd2... which is also an amazing phone.
when htc make a huge deal over a phone, it usually means the developers are all over the phone. htc hd2, hd2 desire, htc desire hd, and the sensation lol

Things I should know before buying a G2?

I'm looking to buy a g2.
Firstly, Is there anything that I should look for? Are there specific versions that are easier to root than others/ harder to brick? (I'm coming from a vibrant and they made a bad batch of those that couldn't get into the recovery, so I want to know if there are any similar issues to be wary of)
Second, do you long time owners recommend the G2? Is it a good phone or should I wait for something else/go for a mt4gs?
Thanks in advance.

gonintendo said:
I'm looking to buy a g2.
Firstly, Is there anything that I should look for? Are there specific versions that are easier to root than others/ harder to brick? (I'm coming from a vibrant and they made a bad batch of those that couldn't get into the recovery, so I want to know if there are any similar issues to be wary of)
Second, do you long time owners recommend the G2? Is it a good phone or should I wait for something else/go for a mt4gs?
Thanks in advance.
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well if you buy one that is running froyo instead of gingerbread, it will be easier root. i would also say if ur looking for a android qwerty slider, then i recommend the droid 3, but if you can get past the uglyness of the mt4gs then thats not a bad option either. the dz is getting pretty old now

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well if you buy one that is running froyo instead of gingerbread, it will be easier root. i would also say if ur looking for a android qwerty slider, then i recommend the droid 3, but if you can get past the uglyness of the mt4gs then thats not a bad option either. the dz is getting pretty old now
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Stuck on t-mobile . Idk if I could live with sense on the mt4gs to be honest, and it seems like CM7 isn't coming to it anytime soon.
I think I might just tough it out with my vibrant.

You're arriving kinda late to the game, aren't you? The G2 has been end-of-life'd if I remember correctly.
But it looks like you're in luck as T-Mo is about to drop the price on the G2.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/09/t-mobile-drops-the-prices-of-the-t-mobile-g2-g-slate/

G2 is a good buy get it wit Froyo n ur good to go everyday I enjoy it rooted 2.3.5 and long as u flash different roms n boot animation wit music everyday is like X-Mas. I turned my G2 to a Monster. I even snatched sum of the new Bionic stuff onto my G2 now n my boy with the new Bionic is jealous. Listen this Bad boy was built to modify n customize I can't see u nt liking it.
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G2 is a robust, highly customizable phone. I highly recommend it.
T-Mobile G2 | meXdroidMod Ghost Chilli AIO

Its a solid phone. But as others have mentioned, its getting pretty old. Getting close to a year old, which is ancient in smartphone terms. Unless you get a real good deal on one, or a hardware keyboard is an absolute necessity (G2/Desire Z is still probably the best around with a keyboard), I would spend my money on something with more current specs (CPU, memory, etc.).

You might like to know that the HTC Desire Z / T-mobile G2 is very similar to the Desire S.
Difference is that the Z has the qwerty keyboard and the S doesn't.
(Also, the S is stock clocked at 1GHz and Z is only 800MHz, but it is the same chipset so this can be changed with software).
The LCD, touch screen, gadgets and everything is the same.
The S is lighter and slimmer, also looks better.
If you get over the qwerty keyboard you might prefer the S.
The touch screen is very good and I often use it instead of the physical keyboard on my Z.
Also, even though the physical keyboard is good i cant type that fast. Not as fast as on a blackberry (keys are closer together on most blackberrys).
Some people have issues with the hinge and it's hard to replace.
Personally, I would swap my Z for an S right now. But they are both excellent devices and both **** on an iPhone4 for screen quality, call quality and build quality.
Screen is really good for watching videos, colors are so much nicer than on other devices like iPhone4 or Desire HD. It has a noise cancellation mic that makes voice chat sound really good and I have never had a drop out in the 6 months I've had it. It has a metal chassis and is very strong, dropped it plenty of times and it just scratches never breaks. Digitalizer is plastic so won't crack.
2nd hand, you can pick up a Z for about $250 or S for $300 - ish.

OP, really going to have to agree this device is too old at this point. Almost a year old now so I wouldn't buy one unless I got a damn good deal on it used. Plenty of other great phones out there right now.

It is a year old yet still one of the top performing single core phones on the market. If you can get one for $200 or less with no contract bs then I would say go for it. This phone still goes on ebay used for $150+
Know that finding a good case is tough with this style of phone....I recommend the otter box personally. Their warranty is top notch as well.
I also recommend doing the spring replacement to tighten up the hinge. Ever since I did that little mod, I have been more than pleased with my G2. I have had mine for 8 months and I can honestly say I could care less about upgrading my phone anytime soon because this phone does everything I need it to do and it does it quick enough for me.
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Siddy1200 said:
You might like to know that the HTC Desire Z / T-mobile G2 is very similar to the Desire S.
Difference is that the Z has the qwerty keyboard and the S doesn't.
(Also, the S is stock clocked at 1GHz and Z is only 800MHz, but it is the same chipset so this can be changed with software).
The LCD, touch screen, gadgets and everything is the same.
The S is lighter and slimmer, also looks better.
If you get over the qwerty keyboard you might prefer the S.
The touch screen is very good and I often use it instead of the physical keyboard on my Z.
Also, even though the physical keyboard is good i cant type that fast. Not as fast as on a blackberry (keys are closer together on most blackberrys).
Some people have issues with the hinge and it's hard to replace.
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Desire S and Z are not the same chipset. Z has the Snapdragon MSM7230, and the S has the MSM8255. And there is also a big difference in the MHz rating of a CPU, and simply overclocking it.
Also the S has 768 Mb of memory versus 512 Mb on the Z; the S has a 1450 mAh battery versus 1300 mAh on the Z; the S has no trackpad but it does have a front facing camera. Really, there is not that much the same between the two phones besides the screen size.
IMO, the hinge "issue" is totally overblown. The hinge is designed to be easy to open and close with a light touch. Some people don't like it, and its just a personal preference.