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The Best Athena! HTC Advantage X7500!!

Place your pre-orders now American customers! I have found one company located in North America. I have already placed my pre-order. The quote was provided as 550 pounds and 600 pounds with all prices inclusive.
Here is the link
link 1
or
link 2 <-- removed due to seller being fake!
link 1 is canadian customers and link 2 (removed)
It is widely available in Europe via many resellers for the same price! Enjoy! They will ship sometime in April. Brand new in box and SIM Free Unlocked and in English with a English Keyboard unlike T-mobile and Dopod!

nuclear said:
Place your pre-orders now American customers! I have found two companies. Both located in North America. I have already placed my pre-order. The quote was provided as 550 pounds and 600 pounds with all prices inclusive.
Here are the links
link 1
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link 2
link 1 is canadian customers and link 2 is USA customers. Two links to avoid custom fee!
It is widely available in Europe via many resellers for the same price! Enjoy! They will ship sometime in April. Brand new in box and SIM Free Unlocked and in English with a English Keyboard unlike T-mobile and Dopod!
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The second link look quite fake, that company is only selling 1 item which is the Advantage? um.....pls be careful there. And also as i see it's still on pre-order. You sure they have confirm that price already? In uk, we have lots of website pre-ordering Advantage but the price are all soo different. You might end up paying more or less because those price is not final yet.
I can only say this again: If you want the Advantage so bad, wait until April, it will be out by then, no point doing any pre-order, you will get the machine about the same time anyway. By april, lots of company will be offering Advantage, and you can choose the best deal then.
If you really want to place your pre-order, please take some time to phone up HTC and ask them whether the price is right and is it really available now? I have just phone them and the answer is HTC ADVANTAGE IS NOT OUT AND THE PRICE IS NOT FINAL. so please be careful here...........

thanks i figured it out i removed that second link. filtering out my searches. that second seller was a fraud. thanks for revising me. wait isnt the price htcphonestore.com offering is $1500USD! >.> thats around 800 pounds and i believe thats a final price for now. but some resellers in europe offering 600 pounds. i saw it myself. and this canadian seller also offering 600 pounds. i trust the canadian seller.

nuclear said:
thanks i figured it out i removed that second link. filtering out my searches. that second seller was a fraud. thanks for revising me. wait isnt the price htcphonestore.com offering is $1500USD! >.> thats around 800 pounds and i believe thats a final price for now. but some resellers in europe offering 600 pounds. i saw it myself. and this canadian seller also offering 600 pounds. i trust the canadian seller.
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The europe reseller are all on pre-order, that's why the price are all not final yet. The canadian seller might just got the price from those website. Because they are all on pre-order and price not fix, no much people is putting interest in ordering them now, they rather wait until the price is confirm. The 600 pounds might comes from DOPOD U1000 as well, since that's the confirm price. I will be surprise if Advantage is only £600. from 3GSM, the HTC people say it's going be about £700, that's what expansys and mobile planet heard as well.
Usually the machine is cheaper in Asia. So Advantage should be more than £600 (DOPOD U1000).

wu5262 said:
The europe reseller are all on pre-order, that's why the price are all not final yet. The canadian seller might just got the price from those website. Because they are all on pre-order and price not fix, no much people is putting interest in ordering them now, they rather wait until the price is confirm. The 600 pounds might comes from DOPOD U1000 as well, since that's the confirm price. I will be surprise if Advantage is only £600. from 3GSM, the HTC people say it's going be about £700, that's what expansys and mobile planet heard as well.
Usually the machine is cheaper in Asia. So Advantage should be more than £600 (DOPOD U1000).
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Well you will see its going to stick to £600 when it comes out. So you should return your Dopod and pre-order an Advantage X7500. See you have nothing to loose. you will be without a phone for a month latest but thats fine. You will gain a lot of things out of this. Let me brief you on the specs of the Advantage compared to Ameo and Dopod.
Firstly,
Performance wise all of them are equal
Secondly,
Quality/Body wise Advantage tops because it uses carbon fiber/magnesium alloy and ameo uses aluminum alloy with plastic just like dopod which is not a problem at all because they look like ipod but it just gets scratched up pretty easily. Plus HTC is a much better company than T-Mobile and Dopod since you are dealing with the original manufacturer and not a name branded t-mobile or dopod. HTC maintains its originality and you are getting it first hand instead of dopod changing the entire body and name branding it. So I make a wise choice and you are very impatient so you going to regret it. Anyways i am going to wait for 1 month or over 1 month for more people to start selling black one. i want to feel dopod before i make a decision. ameo looks awesome too. but i will wait for a month or two.

nuclear said:
Well you will see its going to stick to £600 when it comes out. So you should return your Dopod and pre-order an Advantage X7500. See you have nothing to loose. you will be without a phone for a month latest but thats fine. You will gain a lot of things out of this. Let me brief you on the specs of the Advantage compared to Ameo and Dopod.
Firstly,
Performance wise all of them are equal
Secondly,
Quality/Body wise Advantage tops because it uses carbon fiber/magnesium alloy and ameo uses aluminum alloy with plastic just like dopod which is not a problem at all because they look like ipod but it just gets scratched up pretty easily. Plus HTC is a much better company than T-Mobile and Dopod since you are dealing with the original manufacturer and not a name branded t-mobile or dopod. HTC maintains its originality and you are getting it first hand instead of dopod changing the entire body and name branding it. So I make a wise choice and you are very impatient so you going to regret it. Anyways i am going to wait for 1 month or over 1 month for more people to start selling black one. i want to feel dopod before i make a decision. ameo looks awesome too. but i will wait for a month or two.
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I am tired of people who don't understand the relationship between DOPOD and HTC, they are basically the same company, DOPOD is the sister company of HTC which is responsible of dealing with customer. Just for those people who have not touch bothe Advantage and Dopod u1000, i have played with both and personally, i think the DOPOD U1000 has a better finish and also better quality. But again, that's my personal view.
For support wise, DOPOD will give so much better support than HTC, HTC has just recently start dealing with customer, they are not very good at it, and they are thinking to hand the US and Europe market to DOPOD since they are doing so much better. If you look at HTC Official website, can you see any update or bug fix? NO!!!!! Nothing there, although they make the machine, but they don't fix the problem, you won't get any update from HTC, instead you will get it from DOPOD and T-mobile, they are their own engineer to fix up the problems. That also explain why the DOPOD machine is running smoother than Advantage, the test unit of Advantage still seems buggy, maybe that's the reason of delay.
Anyway, so which machine should you get?
I say this again: if you want black one, go Advantage, don't think more
If your contract is due to end, go Ameo
Any other people (including people who can't wait) should consider Dopod.
Will i return my Dopod and get Advantage? Sure not!

wu5262 said:
I am tired of people who don't understand the relationship between DOPOD and HTC, they are basically the same company, DOPOD is the sister company of HTC which is responsible of dealing with customer. Just for those people who have not touch bothe Advantage and Dopod u1000, i have played with both and personally, i think the DOPOD U1000 has a better finish and also better quality. But again, that's my personal view.
For support wise, DOPOD will give so much better support than HTC, HTC has just recently start dealing with customer, they are not very good at it, and they are thinking to hand the US and Europe market to DOPOD since they are doing so much better. If you look at HTC Official website, can you see any update or bug fix? NO!!!!! Nothing there, although they make the machine, but they don't fix the problem, you won't get any update from HTC, instead you will get it from DOPOD and T-mobile, they are their own engineer to fix up the problems. That also explain why the DOPOD machine is running smoother than Advantage, the test unit of Advantage still seems buggy, maybe that's the reason of delay.
Anyway, so which machine should you get?
I say this again: if you want black one, go Advantage, don't think more
If your contract is due to end, go Ameo
Any other people (including people who can't wait) should consider Dopod.
Will i return my Dopod and get Advantage? Sure not!
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Alright i contacted the guy in montreal and he gave me a quote. He said its a pre-order. Also i asked him if there are any stores in new york or toronto where i can get this phone around april. Lets see tomorrow when i talk to him more. He said he is selling for £600 which is the same price as the dopod and thats truly amazing. Well sure i would get the dopod... its not like i got something against white.. it just seems stupid to get a keyboard with chinese characters on it and a chinese rom. Also i have never had a HTC phone.. all my phones till now.. branded by O2, Dopod or Orange... so i am really happy to see the HTC logo on my phone ^^

nuclear said:
Alright i contacted the guy in montreal and he gave me a quote. He said its a pre-order. Also i asked him if there are any stores in new york or toronto where i can get this phone around april. Lets see tomorrow when i talk to him more. He said he is selling for £600 which is the same price as the dopod and thats truly amazing. Well sure i would get the dopod... its not like i got something against white.. it just seems stupid to get a keyboard with chinese characters on it and a chinese rom. Also i have never had a HTC phone.. all my phones till now.. branded by O2, Dopod or Orange... so i am really happy to see the HTC logo on my phone ^^
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Nice to hear that We will wait for your info tomorrow, keep us inform.

Big difference between HTC Advantage and Dopod U1000
I have been reading this forum, but I have to say there is a big difference in specifications between HTC Advantage and Dopod U1000. If you type www.htc.com you will see under specs the HSDPA/UMTS (2100 MHz for Europe, 850/1900 MHz for USA) this means that if you buy the Europe version it only has 2100 MHZ. However if you type www.dopodasia.com you will find that under specs it comes with 2100MHZ AND 850/1900 MHZ. As such both models are very different. In addition, If you look at the weight, Dopod U1000 is much heavier than the HTC advantage. I was wondering how come nobody noticed this.. As such based on those 2 official websites. These 2 models are different not just the colour. I hope this helps.

In my personal opinion I think that the weight published on the HTC site includes: HTC Advantage + Battery as it clearly says: 359g (with battery)
On the Dopod site, the weight includes: Dopod U1000 + Battery + Keyboard as it says: 375g(With battery and Magnetic Qwerty keypad)
So I think the weight difference is only what is being weighted.
And for the HSDPA/UMTS frequencies I understand that the band of 2100 MHz is the one European Carriers are using, and in the USA the carriers are using 850/1900 MHz band. I don't think HTC will release a version for USA and one for Europe, what about Asia and the rest of America? I think they are just pointing out which band you have to use if you will use it in USA or in Europe.
Please someone correct me if I am wrong.
Regards!
greatestkelvin said:
I have been reading this forum, but I have to say there is a big difference in specifications between HTC Advantage and Dopod U1000. If you type www.htc.com you will see under specs the HSDPA/UMTS (2100 MHz for Europe, 850/1900 MHz for USA) this means that if you buy the Europe version it only has 2100 MHZ. However if you type www.dopodasia.com you will find that under specs it comes with 2100MHZ AND 850/1900 MHZ. As such both models are very different. In addition, If you look at the weight, Dopod U1000 is much heavier than the HTC advantage. I was wondering how come nobody noticed this.. As such based on those 2 official websites. These 2 models are different not just the colour. I hope this helps.
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greatestkelvin said:
I have been reading this forum, but I have to say there is a big difference in specifications between HTC Advantage and Dopod U1000. If you type www.htc.com you will see under specs the HSDPA/UMTS (2100 MHz for Europe, 850/1900 MHz for USA) this means that if you buy the Europe version it only has 2100 MHZ. However if you type www.dopodasia.com you will find that under specs it comes with 2100MHZ AND 850/1900 MHZ. As such both models are very different. In addition, If you look at the weight, Dopod U1000 is much heavier than the HTC advantage. I was wondering how come nobody noticed this.. As such based on those 2 official websites. These 2 models are different not just the colour. I hope this helps.
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I think when they say "2100 MHz for Europe, 850/1900 MHz for USA" means those are the frequency for these country, it should support both.
The weight difference can be cause by many reason. i have weighted my Dopod and i got 372 which is with battery, and keyboard.
Not sure the advantage weight is including keyboard or not, it doesn't say.
But i think it make kind of sense that DOPOD is heavier (not that much anyway, don't think you will notice it) because the good material it use.
by the way, the keyboard itself weight about 80

Yes. the device support all frequency. they want to say it support2100 in Europe and 850/1900 in USA
many of phone is like it and support all of this.
Don't think HTC made 2 version of Advantage.one for Europe and one for America and ...
it is not true
tanX

in DPADB.net write all 3 device are 375 gr!!!!(include battey)

If me i'll write down tha things that fit for my costumer,and the other not to important, that what dey did i think. Give their consumer a specifict informations.

cornelius said:
If me i'll write down tha things that fit for my costumer,and the other not to important, that what dey did i think. Give their consumer a specifict informations.
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your reply is for who?
I can't underestand it
sorry

Arya said:
Yes. the device support all frequency. they want to say it support2100 in Europe and 850/1900 in USA
many of phone is like it and support all of this.
Don't think HTC made 2 version of Advantage.one for Europe and one for America and ...
it is not true
tanX
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Indeed, the HTC X7500/T-Mobile Ameo/Dopod U1000 have Quadband GSM support and Triband UMTS/3G support.
NOT many phones have this feature, to my knowledge only the HTC TyTN and the Palm Treo 750 currently have the same Quadband GSM / Triband UMTS features. Most other UMTS/3G phones on the market have market/UMTS frequency specific setups.
The Nokia N80 for example has a Quadband GSM capability but the UMTS/3G capability is limited to one region only (UMTS 2100 or 1900).
Guys...stop this gossip regarding a difference between the HTC X7500 and the Dopod/T-Mobile units: they are technically identical, there are only differences in the material/colours of the exterior casing used and some ROM differences which have been implemented by HTC too at Dopod/T-Mobile request. Not to forget that Dopod is owned by HTC, just in case some people don't know.

P996 said:
Indeed, the HTC X7500/T-Mobile Ameo/Dopod U1000 have Quadband GSM support and Triband UMTS/3G support.
NOT many phones have this feature, to my knowledge only the HTC TyTN and the Palm Treo 750 currently have the same Quadband GSM / Triband UMTS features. Most other UMTS/3G phones on the market have market/UMTS frequency specific setups.
The Nokia N80 for example has a Quadband GSM capability but the UMTS/3G capability is limited to one region only (UMTS 2100 or 1900).
Guys...stop this gossip regarding a difference between the HTC X7500 and the Dopod/T-Mobile units: they are technically identical, there are only differences in the material/colours of the exterior casing used and some ROM differences which have been implemented by HTC too at Dopod/T-Mobile request. Not to forget that Dopod is owned by HTC, just in case some people don't know.
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You are wrong there, The rom wasn't done by HTC, DOPOD one is done by Dopod, and T-mobile one is done by T-mobile. HTC are in charge of the hardware design.

wu5262 said:
You are wrong there, The rom wasn't done by HTC, DOPOD one is done by Dopod, and T-mobile one is done by T-mobile. HTC are in charge of the hardware design.
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Would you please name a source for this "information"? Just curious.

P996 said:
Would you please name a source for this "information"? Just curious.
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I was one of the tester of Advantage, and my brother is one of the most senior engineer in HTC. I am not saying they don't do software, i am talking about the ROM. The base software wasn't even done by HTC , it's done by Microsoft !

wu5262 said:
I was one of the tester of Advantage, and my brother is one of the most senior engineer in HTC. I am not saying they don't do software, i am talking about the ROM. The base software wasn't even done by HTC , it's done by Microsoft !
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Again curious: if you were a tester of the "Advantage", why couldn't you keep it further, why did you go for a Dopod? If your brother is a senior engineer at HTC, why didn't he get you a X7500 since beta testers have already "final" hardware versions in their hands? Because the Dopod is "better"?
I'm also curious why you asked in a post how the quality of the Advantage is...if you were a beta tester, you should know it better than anybody else.
Sorry if my questions are too straight forward, I'm just trying to understand why your information is completely opposed to what I know.

X7510 in stock in UK

This is earlier than I thought - is this real stock or preorder???
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/1024/htc-advantage-x7510

It sure looks like it is in stock. Why not call them up?
So now we know why you sold your X7500.
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Ha! Ha! No still not sure if I'll buy one yet, that wasnt why I sold. I'm a bit addicted to smartphones and UMPCs, i'ts not unusual (although some would argue it is stupid!) for me to buy a phone and then sell a few days later. Over the past 12 months I've had:
T-mob Vario, T-mob Ameo, TynTnII, P3300, Trinity, Blacberry 8310 (still got), S730, (another) Advantage - the one I sold again, a Shift, 3 different eeepcs (black 701 Linux, white 900 Linux, White 900 XP)....mmmm I think thats it but might be more. Now considering either the X7510 or the Diamond....anyone??
The Handtec call centre is only open un til 5:30pm, hence I havent called yet - I have a feeling I might in the morning....although if this post gets read I won't be the only one!

If this is true, then I guess On The Go Solution's stock might really be coming tomorrow here in the US. I sure hope to see more hands on reviews.

I dont understand why any athena owners are excited by this phone, it is a downgrade IMHO from the X7500, I use my navi button all the time.

ice_coffee said:
I dont understand why any athena owners are excited by this phone, it is a downgrade IMHO from the X7500, I use my navi button all the time.
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Yeah I know what you mean but for me the Opera 9.5 is worth the investment for those that can't wait for the download - the pics and video here look really good....
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1107

ice_coffee said:
I dont understand why any athena owners are excited by this phone, it is a downgrade IMHO from the X7500, I use my navi button all the time.
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not to mention the solid state 16 GB memory. To us here in the US, the price difference is only $100, so even with the buttons on the X7500, it does not justify the price. Their milking it too much.
others might say...mini SD or micro SD cards are now cheap... YES that is true, but you loose the ability to hot swap your cards, especially if the hard drive starts acting wierd and you have no other option but to use the card as your storage for applications. YES, you can use the 4 in one cable to attach peripherals, but of course, I wouldn't be carrying that thing in my belt pocket.
To me, the added peace of mind not worrying about the hard drive going nuts is a worthy cause to go for the X7510, especially for 1st time buyers.
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GoSolutions.com wants $1299 for 7510
If GoSolutions.com is USA, then the $1299 price they are asking is $500 more than the X7501 and NO JOG STICK or BUTTONS. It is a ridiculous price. I have about half of my 2GB SD card free and about 6GB of the MicroDrive to go.
Brad

Clove UK delivers to the US via DHL
Clove: http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?product=53E76F4B-1B4E-4367-86EB-A0756481CAED&category=GROUP1
It comes out (UK delivery):
663.88 Euro
It comes out (US Delivery):
602 Euro
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I received mine today and I LOOOOOVE the keyboard .....

Wiz said:
I received mine today and I LOOOOOVE the keyboard .....
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Please post pictures and a quick review of what apps are pre-installed. Give us you first thoughts please. You can create a new thread if you want, so people can also add their opinions.

Good idea - anyone, hello?

save $100 USD
cktlcmd said:
Clove: http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?product=53E76F4B-1B4E-4367-86EB-A0756481CAED&category=GROUP1
It comes out (UK delivery):
663.88 Euro
It comes out (US Delivery):
602 Euro
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It turns out to be 602 Pounds. At today's rate:
602 GBP Pound Sterling = 1190.170 USD US Dollar

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Please post pictures and a quick review of what apps are pre-installed. Give us you first thoughts please. You can create a new thread if you want, so people can also add their opinions.
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Can anyone review? Please?

sell my HD to buy an iphone?

i'm hacked off with windows mobile so probably going to sell the HD
has anyone looked at selling theirs to buy a iphone?
i'm after a 16gb model
anyone know if i'll be able to get enough for a mint HD to buy a new iphone?
i'm sure others have looked into this before
i'm in the uk if that makes any difference

Considering how long ago the HD was launched I can't imagine that it will sell for top dollar.

the highest offer i got on my HD that i recently put on ebay was 475 plus 20 shipping. I relisted because i want at least 500 for it.

I sold mine is feb for $690 on ebay and bought an iphone. You will get enough for an iphone for sure (at contract price).

Will buy the new iPhone 3GS regardless of whether I get good price for my HD or not. Will also keep my iPhone 3G 16GB for my family. Everyone of them wants me to pass to them.

cheers guys
Its about 1 month old as i had it replaced, and is in mint condition
its not however unused, but you cant notice that it has been
Will the prices of a pay as u go iphone (non S) drop when the S is released
How long will i have to wait?
Currently i think i can get a 16gb model for £340
so i'm hoping i can get that for my HD
cheers

You shouldn't have a problem selling it for at least £350... I was monitoring the HTC HD up till 2 weeks ago (I got mine last week, finally got it under contract from O2) coz I was thinking of getting one without contract..
All the phones were going for above £300, even the ones where it's been 'used' for a week or a month...

Might be selling mine on ebay after I get the TP2 with Tmob USA!

why dude whyyyyyyyyyy?
put a dutty or miri rom on and you're golden.

Good luck with your fruit.

Have you tried ebay?
Off topic. Hey homer that is a beautiful American Pitbull you have looks alot like mine but mine but with less white, to bad idiots and the media give them such a bad rep.

Marketplace section
m.r.davies said:
i'm hacked off with windows mobile so probably going to sell the HD
has anyone looked at selling theirs to buy a iphone?
i'm after a 16gb model
anyone know if i'll be able to get enough for a mint HD to buy a new iphone?
i'm sure others have looked into this before
i'm in the uk if that makes any difference
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If you decide to sell please go to Marketplace section
You´ll have more chances over there

orb3000 said:
If you decide to sell please go to Marketplace section
You´ll have more chances over there
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thanks mate, didn't know there was one!
cheers

Harhar
I think this is funny ....
You want to sell your HD to get an IPhone
I sold my IPhone to get a HD
For me ... this is funny!!

fwt said:
Harhar
I think this is funny ....
You want to sell your HD to get an IPhone
I sold my IPhone to get a HD
For me ... this is funny!!
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that is quite funny
grass is always greener huh!
it's all about the new S version and OS 3

m.r.davies said:
that is quite funny
grass is always greener huh!
it's all about the new S version and OS 3
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well ... OS3 sound great ... at least IPhoners now get "copy & paste" and some other nice features
and about the "S" ... hm ... we'll see
but always remember ... it's all about Marketing and those guys and gals over at Apple now that job
good luck anyway

i've no doubt the hd is better in terms of specs etc
however, i want something that is quick to use, and doesn't give you rsi as you need to put a fair bit of pressure on the screen
who knows, i maybe back in a month!!!

You wont be back in a month trust me you wont be back to the HD at all.

Turb0wned said:
You wont be back in a month trust me you wont be back to the HD at all.
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lol, I've used the iPhone 3G for some months and now I'm back to the Touch HD and probably won't get an iPhone again (at least I definitely won't get the 3GS, I'm waiting for the Samsung i8000 or the Acer F1).
The iPhone is still way too limited. At least it's got copy&paste and voice control now but the camera still sucks, it still can't download things from the internet, the display resolution is still bad and lots of other things that were disturbing me.
Unlike the iPhone, my Touch HD does everything I want (except for good pictures in low light) and there's no situation where it lets me down because Windows Mobile is limitless.

Turb0wned said:
You wont be back in a month trust me you wont be back to the HD at all.
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Speak for yourself man!
no brainwashing please.
peace out.

HD2 - Tmobile UK vs US Version Comparisons Thread

Had been following the various happenings related to HD2... among other things ....
- The fact that Microsoft states that WP7 does not run on the machine when it actually has the horsepower to do so ....
- The fact that all HD2's out there had a hidden amount of RAM
- The probability that HD2's HAVE a TV-Out after all (chipset indeed supports it)
- The other not so pleasing fact that i got my Touch HD nicked a couple of weeks ago
All led me to buy another HD .... But I soon realised that I ran into a dilemma ....
I purchased (still on the way) .... an HD2 on T mobile UK but I ran into the assumption that T mobile US and UK supply the same specs on the HD2.....
As far as the Tmobile US is concerned - This HD2 , is:
- 122mm long (unlike the regular HD2 which is 120mm long)
- Has 1GB ROM
- Has 512 MB of RAM
- Has Headset included
- Has 16GB microSD included
- Has Gel Case included
On the other hand ... Tmobile UK has no specs whatsoever on the site ...it says however that
- it is 121mm long (which makes me hope that it is the 122mm version)
- Has limited several video streaming apps (can be easily rectified)
- 1Gb or 512MB ROM size (can it be unlocked on all HD2's like RAM?)
- 448MB or 512MB RAM size (can be rectified thanks to custom ROM)
- Has or has not a headset?
- Has or has not a MicroSD card?
- Has or Has not a leather pouch?
I understand that there might have been bundle upgrades as far as Tmobile UK is concerned but I would like to create this thread (with the help of this great community) to clear out any confusion for people out there seeking an HD2 .....
First of all I was unable to find whether or not the ROM size could unlocked in a similar fashion to how RAM size.... At this point I don't even know whether all T mobile HD2's come with 1GB of ROM ....
What's more is that now I realised that there is a T8585 HD2. I reckon that the T8585 version is the 120mm standard HD2 and a T9193 HD2 is the one which is slightly longer.... but yet again I got to confirm this.
So I am hereby inviting all T mobile US / UK HD2 owners to share their knowledge / experience
Many Thanks

The T-Mobile UK is the same as the euro models... it is a T8585. The T-Mo US model is the only one that's different size and has the 1gb ROM. All other models have 512mb. You cannot unlock more ROM. The T9193 is the australian version with different radio bands... other than that, it is the same size as the euro/UK models and has same RAM/ROM. Also, the T8585 and T9183 are 120.5mm to be exact, while the US model is 122mm.
Alcatrazx said:
Had been following the various happenings related to HD2... among other things ....
- The fact that Microsoft states that WP7 does not run on the machine when it actually has the horsepower to do so ....
- The fact that all HD2's out there had a hidden amount of RAM
- The probability that HD2's HAVE a TV-Out after all (chipset indeed supports it)
- The other not so pleasing fact that i got my Touch HD nicked a couple of weeks ago
All led me to buy another HD .... But I soon realised that I ran into a dilemma ....
I purchased (still on the way) .... an HD2 on T mobile UK but I ran into the assumption that T mobile US and UK supply the same specs on the HD2.....
As far as the Tmobile US is concerned - This HD2 , is:
- 122mm long (unlike the regular HD2 which is 120mm long)
- Has 1GB ROM
- Has 512 MB of RAM
- Has Headset included
- Has 16GB microSD included
- Has Gel Case included
On the other hand ... Tmobile UK has no specs whatsoever on the site ...it says however that
- it is 121mm long (which makes me hope that it is the 122mm version)
- Has limited several video streaming apps (can be easily rectified)
- 1Gb or 512MB ROM size (can it be unlocked on all HD2's like RAM?)
- 448MB or 512MB RAM size (can be rectified thanks to custom ROM)
- Has or has not a headset?
- Has or has not a MicroSD card?
- Has or Has not a leather pouch?
I understand that there might have been bundle upgrades as far as Tmobile UK is concerned but I would like to create this thread (with the help of this great community) to clear out any confusion for people out there seeking an HD2 .....
First of all I was unable to find whether or not the ROM size could unlocked in a similar fashion to how RAM size.... At this point I don't even know whether all T mobile HD2's come with 1GB of ROM ....
What's more is that now I realised that there is a T8585 HD2. I reckon that the T8585 version is the 120mm standard HD2 and a T9193 HD2 is the one which is slightly longer.... but yet again I got to confirm this.
So I am hereby inviting all T mobile US / UK HD2 owners to share their knowledge / experience
Many Thanks
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This would mean that ... if WP7 will use 1GB ROM, it would be impossible to place it on Euro HD2's. Am I correct in stating this?
Besides what proof is there that the ROM cannot be unlocked just like the RAM? What is that extra mm on the US version housing underneath the hood?

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This would mean that ... if WP7 will use 1GB ROM, it would be impossible to place it on Euro HD2's. Am I correct in stating this?
Besides what proof is there that the ROM cannot be unlocked just like the RAM? What is that extra mm on the US version housing underneath the hood?
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Cotulla found out the rom chip models used in the Euro and the US versions and they are different. The US models uses a 1gb chip, the euro/uk/aus models use a 512mb chip. Besides, if it could be unlocked, I'm sure they would have discovered it by now. Other than that, I don't think theres any dfference in the models, so I don't know why they made the US model bigger. Some say it was to fit the T-mobile logo, but that doesn't make much sense. But they are always making phone different sizes for different carriers and countries, even when the insides are the same. I remember there was like 3 different looking touchpros for different carriers.
Also, they are not making an official upgrade to wp7, but I'm sure the unofficial one will work on both the 512mb and 1gb models. I believe most developers on it are using 512mb models, so I wouldn't worry about that. I don't see the extra rom being a big deal. I would gladly trade my US hd2 for an austrlian T9193 model so I could use at&t's 3g service.

Thanks so far....
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Cotulla found out the rom chip models used in the Euro and the US versions and they are different. The US models uses a 1gb chip, the euro/uk/aus models use a 512mb chip. Besides, if it could be unlocked, I'm sure they would have discovered it by now. Other than that, I don't think theres any dfference in the models, so I don't know why they made the US model bigger. Some say it was to fit the T-mobile logo, but that doesn't make much sense. But they are always making phone different sizes for different carriers and countries, even when the insides are the same. I remember there was like 3 different looking touchpros for different carriers.
Also, they are not making an official upgrade to wp7, but I'm sure the unofficial one will work on both the 512mb and 1gb models. I believe most developers on it are using 512mb models, so I wouldn't worry about that. I don't see the extra rom being a big deal. I would gladly trade my US hd2 for an austrlian T9193 model so I could use at&t's 3g service.
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So Let me understand you right, just for clarity's sake:
T8585 - EURO Version - 120.5mm long / 512ROM / 576RAM
T9193 - AUSSIE Version - 120.5mm long/ 512ROM / 576RAM/Differing Radio bands
Txxxx - US Version - 122,, long / 1GB ROM / 576RAM / NO 3G?
I reckon that that 1mm extra is nothing but some form of identification to recognise the 1GB model straightaway. Is there a way to put an OS in a some High Speed Micro SD card and boot another OS from it? Cos that would solve the issue of small Rom chips....
I also was in doubt because there were some 'leaked' specs which showed the forthcoming T mobile UK with the 1GB ROM and the 512MB RAM and also the 16GB Sd Card
At this point it would be helpful if the Tmobile UK people, speak up a bit ...Would be helpful if you state whether its UK or US and WHEN you bought this mobile and what was bundled with it. Anyone from UK ?

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At this point it would be helpful if the Tmobile UK people, speak up a bit ...Would be helpful if you state whether its UK or US and WHEN you bought this mobile and what was bundled with it. Anyone from UK ?
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bought mine from a t-mob store, not online.
in the box:
#/ phone (obviously! lol)
#/ wired headset (with seperate foam earpeice covers and clothing grip)
#/ USB data cable
*which combines with*
#/ generic charger supplied with UK plug adapter giving a usb port, so plub in the data cable to charge from the wall.
#/ 2bg microSD and full size SD adapter
aswell as all the bumf of manuals etc.
im abit peeved there was no form of case/screen protector like i got with my TYTN II

quasi_mojo said:
bought mine from a t-mob store, not online.
in the box:
#/ phone (obviously! lol)
#/ wired headset (with seperate foam earpeice covers and clothing grip)
#/ USB data cable
*which combines with*
#/ generic charger supplied with UK plug adapter giving a usb port, so plub in the data cable to charge from the wall.
#/ 2bg microSD and full size SD adapter
aswell as all the bumf of manuals etc.
im abit peeved there was no form of case/screen protector like i got with my TYTN II
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Exactly the same here, bought from a T Mob shop in February 2010

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davemazo said:
Exactly the same here, bought from a T Mob shop in February 2010
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Let me guess .... Colour of box was Green on the inside with a white sliding cover on the outside?
Also just for kicks ... could you tell us if they are T8585's and also specify the ROM and RAM size?
As I said earlier T mobile uk seems to be bundling the improved HD2 with the 1GB Rom and the 16GB SD Card ... clearly this isn't your version ... cos of the SD CARD that came with it ....
Some time before there were bundles coming out of T Mobile with no pocket / no stylus and no Sd Card as well... but this dates back to November 09 if I am not mistaken.

if thats the case then im taking mine back!

im having a problem determining which model i have? any ideas? been searching the last 10 mins with no luck

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if thats the case then im taking mine back!
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It needs to be confirmed as yet ... You'll have to wait for an official package description on T mob UK site before taking yours back....!
But if you take a quick look at T mobile uk's site ... you will instantly realise that as far as specs are concerned .... there is no ram or rom mentioned.....
This is because they "quietly but brilliantly" changing onto the 1GB Rom model ?
Mine is still in the mail so I cannot confirm with you as yet.... but will let you know as soon as I get it unlocked ....

Alcatrazx said:
Let me guess .... Colour of box was Green on the inside with a white sliding cover on the outside?
some time before there were bundles coming out of T Mobile with no pocket / no stylus and no Sd Card as well... but this dates back to November 09 if I am not mistaken.
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Hi,
I've never heard of any service provider who has ever provided a stylus with the HD2. All the news we were hearing about the T-Mobile US release led me to believe that T-Mobile UK were delivering the standard european device and the US model was just for the US. T-Mobile UK don't seem to go into specification details on their web site but the device has the normal white european buttons so if there was additional internal storage that would mean yet another model (and T-Mobile make no reference to this fact). They certainly don't appear to state anything about "bundling the improved HD2..." They don't appear to me offering an SD card according to their UK site either.

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quasi_mojo said:
im having a problem determining which model i have? any ideas? been searching the last 10 mins with no luck
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Simple ... you got to go into the system information ... check how much ROM and how much RAM you have ....
Also if you tell us what came with it, and when you bought it, it would help as well....
Most probably its a T8585 as someone else kindly pointed out earlier on....

cMMY69 said:
Hi,
I've never heard of any service provider who has ever provided a stylus with the HD2. All the news we were hearing about the T-Mobile US release led me to believe that T-Mobile UK were delivering the standard european device and the US model was just for the US. T-Mobile UK don't seem to go into specification details on their web site but the device has the normal white european buttons so if there was additional internal storage that would mean yet another model (and T-Mobile make no reference to this fact). They certainly don't appear to state anything about "bundling the improved HD2..." They don't appear to me offering an SD card according to their UK site either.
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Erm if you see a previous post which I had up there .... I said exactly what you said ...
- T mobile specifications are very vague....
- They would not tell you if its improved or not because it would cause havoc for those customers who just acquired the phone ....
- Thirdly it is clear that the initial bundle came with NO Sd card, then they started putting in a 2 GB MicroSd .... now there is talk about this 16Gb version hitting the streets in due course...
Just wanted to confirm if this is true maybe through somebody who just got one .....
As far as the stylus is concerned you are right ... but it is available as an option from HTC ...

I haven't heard of T-mobile UK offering updated hd2s. The US T-mo does offer 3g, by the way, but on the 1700/2100 band, which isn't used by many other carriers except t-mo US. I mentioned the australian T9193 because it uses the same 850 band that at&t uses in the US, which has much better coverage than t-mobile US. Thats why I would prefer that model and at&t as a carrier... but it costs $800 to import one, compared to the $200 I paid for the T-Mo US HD2 with contract.
Anyways, for T-Mo UK to offer the 1gb rom hd2s, it would mean a completely new model for htc to make with the UK bands, so I see it unlikely they would do this for a phone thats been out for almost 6 months already. I think you will get a 512mb rom phone with T-Mo UK if they haven't stated otherwise. They would probably make a big deal if they were upgrading it and we would have heard about it.

quasi_mojo said:
bought mine from a t-mob store, not online.
in the box:
#/ phone (obviously! lol)
#/ wired headset (with seperate foam earpeice covers and clothing grip)
#/ USB data cable
*which combines with*
#/ generic charger supplied with UK plug adapter giving a usb port, so plub in the data cable to charge from the wall.
#/ 2bg microSD and full size SD adapter
aswell as all the bumf of manuals etc.
im abit peeved there was no form of case/screen protector like i got with my TYTN II
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^ i refer you to post 6 mr alcatrazx
ROM: 1.43.110.2 (70315)WWE
RAM: 448mb (flash 512mb)

zarathustrax said:
I haven't heard of T-mobile UK offering updated hd2s. The US T-mo does offer 3g, by the way, but on the 1700/2100 band, which isn't used by many other carriers except t-mo US. I mentioned the australian T9193 because it uses the same 850 band that at&t uses in the US, which has much better coverage than t-mobile US. Thats why I would prefer that model and at&t as a carrier... but it costs $800 to import one, compared to the $200 I paid for the T-Mo US HD2 with contract.
Anyways, for T-Mo UK to offer the 1gb rom hd2s, it would mean a completely new model for htc to make with the UK bands, so I see it unlikely they would do this for a phone thats been out for almost 6 months already. I think you will get a 512mb rom phone with T-Mo UK if they haven't stated otherwise. They would probably make a big deal if they were upgrading it and we would have heard about it.
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Well that would be still good to know ... As long as WP7 still will run on 512MB I will be more than glad with the HD2
Anyways if anyone can recommend me a company which provides a factory unlock code via IMEI for T-Mo Uk HD2 it would be great if you p.m me. I've heard that I could do it for free through some existing T mobile client but I don't know anyone So thanks for clarifications

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quasi_mojo said:
^ i refer you to post 6 mr alcatrazx
ROM: 1.43.110.2 (70315)WWE
RAM: 448mb (flash 512mb)
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It's a T8585 then

ta da!
we got there in the end lol
now to decide which rom to go for... :s

Alcatrazx said:
Well that would be still good to know ... As long as WP7 still will run on 512MB I will be more than glad with the HD2
Anyways if anyone can recommend me a company which provides a factory unlock code via IMEI for T-Mo Uk HD2 it would be great if you p.m me. I've heard that I could do it for free through some existing T mobile client but I don't know anyone So thanks for clarifications
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When they get a WP7 port working, I'm sure it will work with all the hd2s, as most of the good developers who would work on it will have the 512mb rom ones. The 1gb rom hd2s are limited to one country, while the rest of the world use 512mb roms.

[Q] DVP for $279 on 1saleaday.com

Saw this on sale this morning:
http://1saleaday.com/wireless/
Even thought I'm an android user I've had a Zune HD for a while and love the Metro UI. This seems like a good price, should I go for it?

Well I got mine for £179.99 via the dell website as a swarm so it's really your choice. But I would wait for the lower price

why not get the 16bg version from dell for $299 (or $199 if you buy something over $700)
The sale you linked to is only the 8gb version. (which dell doesn't sell anymore)
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-ven...&baynote_bnrank=2&baynote_irrank=0&redirect=1

It was on sale here in Germany for 200€ a few weeks ago. Yesterday it was on sale for 175€. Pretty awesome if you ask me. Maybe someone will port Android now.

I almost bought it but then I saw that its only the tmobile 3g bands

433Mhz said:
It was on sale here in Germany for 200€ a few weeks ago. Yesterday it was on sale for 175€. Pretty awesome if you ask me. Maybe someone will port Android now.
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No need to downgrade a perfectly good WP7 device with android!

efjay said:
No need to downgrade a perfectly good WP7 device with android!
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It would still be awesome to have both

433Mhz said:
It would still be awesome to have both
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What is it the HD2?

get it from dell.. it has att and tmobile bands

433Mhz said:
Pretty awesome if you ask me. Maybe someone will port Android now.
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feh some one should port wp7 to the normal venue. I don't need to stink'n keyboard

The keyboard was the number one reason I got a DVP. Otherwise why not just get a Focus or HD7?
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macjr82 said:
The keyboard was the number one reason I got a DVP.
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Me too. I use the hardware keyboard all the time, unless I'm just typing a word or two. Very good keyboard in my opinion.

macjr82 said:
The keyboard was the number one reason I got a DVP. Otherwise why not just get a Focus or HD7?
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no focus on T-mobile...

Zurvv said:
get it from dell.. it has att and tmobile bands
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3G works on either one or the other... you have to choose when ordering. There is no such thing as a DVP that has 3G on both AT&T and T-Mobile.
The T-Mo version is a better bet for world-wide use because it has not only 2100 but 900 support. The AT&T one has only 2100 for non-US use.