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for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
Thanks,
-Grant
says the devs are working hard on support for 4g though. As much hype that it has generated already, I have no doubt that devs will have everything compatible within a very short time period.
I don't see it taking too long for Google to release an Android Froyo with built in WiMAX support, especially since it's coming out over the Summer. As far as how long it's going to take HTC/Sprint to release it... Well us Hero users can vouch for them not having very timely releases. (kernel source anyone?)
I'm sure sprint and google will have it working... no doubt... but making the same changes to what's out there right now... or what comes in the near future... might be a challange for xda developers not sprint ones.
i thin it will be fine. its advertised as the first 4g phone in america and its not coming out until summer. thats a long time in cell phone years
Agreed. I guess the hope is just that the 4G compatibility trickles in from Google and not from HTC.
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for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
Thanks,
-Grant
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Mild fail, i'd say. You haven't even deterred me an ounce from not molesting this phone at launch. Nothing you mentioned is a potential downside when the fixes will be done by summer's launch. Why don't we actually get the device in hand first, start hacking away and then proclaim all the doom we want, eh?? It's still at least ~3 months away.
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Mild fail, i'd say. You haven't even deterred me an ounce from not molesting this phone at launch. Nothing you mentioned is a potential downside when the fixes will be done by summer's launch. Why don't we actually get the device in hand first, start hacking away and then proclaim all the doom we want, eh?? It's still at least ~3 months away.
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mild fail? I said I'm not trying to detour anyone. If you want to get one... then be my guest, in fact, it looks like the best android phone to date. *I* am just not getting one, and was letting whoever cared to know, why I wasn't.
I'm not sure how you are interpreting what I wrote, but I'm going to try to lay it as flat on the table as possible.
-All the roms floating around on xda right now may not be fully functional with the EVO.
-root may not be possible out of the box, or for a long time, or even at all.
-custom build for the wimax code may be proprietary and might not ever get merged with AOSP.
-updates to the next version of android will depend totally on sprint and htc.
-android, senceUI, and wimax will work fine right out of the box I am sure of it.
that is all I'm saying, you are acting like I'm attacking the EVO, I am absolutely not. I was probably going to get one until I read that article, and the points I made are why. These are my personal beliefs after seeing what has happened with sprint and android up until this point, take it however you want, but please take with a grain of salt, any one or all the points I made may not end up being true.
That is all.
Early adopters of any new technology will always face mild setbacks like these.
So long as someone can figure out stealth tethering, I don't think people will be going nuts having to wait for a custom rom.
I still really want one, but I'm going to use my TP2 on sprint for as long as I can until I get bored with it, and too upset with people stopping development on wm6+ apps simply because wm7 was announced.
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So long as someone can figure out stealth tethering, I don't think people will be going nuts having to wait for a custom rom.
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tethering is a native feature of the phone, and there's no limit on data usage... so i don't know what you're worried about.
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tethering is a native feature of the phone, and there's no limit on data usage... so i don't know what you're worried about.
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it comes on other sprint android phones out of the box as well, but you have to pay for the tethering access for it to work. There's actually 2 accounts in your radio programming on your phone, one for normal data, one for shared, the second doesn't work unless sprint enables it. The wifi tethering hack just pushes both accesses through the same account.
I can see why he would be concerned
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it comes on other sprint android phones out of the box as well, but you have to pay for the tethering access for it to work. There's actually 2 accounts in your radio programming on your phone, one for normal data, one for shared, the second doesn't work unless sprint enables it. The wifi tethering hack just pushes both accesses through the same account.
I can see why he would be concerned
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Thats a good point, but with them pushing that as such a large selling point of the phone i can't see them charging too much extra for it... *shrug*
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Thats a good point, but with them pushing that as such a large selling point of the phone i can't see them charging too much extra for it... *shrug*
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I'm definitely not going the *official* tethering route. It's data that i'm already paying for and shouldn't matter which pipe it's coming out of as long as i'm within my cap.
Case in point, on my Treo Pro, with all the tethering i do via wifirouter i still come out less than 5gb/month.
PDANet, i'm looking at you come summer time.
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I'm definitely not going the *official* tethering route. It's data that i'm already paying for and shouldn't matter which pipe it's coming out of as long as i'm within my cap.
Case in point, on my Treo Pro, with all the tethering i do via wifirouter i still come out less than 5gb/month.
PDANet, i'm looking at you come summer time.
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Not that the whole 5gb thing matters, as there isn't a cap on cell usage. Only airCards / the overdrive have a 5gb cap on them. The cell plans still don't.
The real question is, WHEN will it be available for T-Mobile???
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The real question is, WHEN will it be available for T-Mobile???
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Unless tmobile signs on to wimax it wont be
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for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
Thanks,
-Grant
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this might be a valid point if The evo 4g wasn't shipping with android 2.2 Froyo, which will most likely support these things *fingers crossed tho*
This is idiotic. There already is 4G support in android as evidenced by the EVO it's self and root will happen no matter what. I have no doubt that it will be running Froyo when it comes out so "other" roms won't really matter and who would want to run "other" roms when you have a Froyo base running the latest Sense UI on a HDMI streaming Snapdragon Beast. Maybe I missed the whole point of this thread but finding potential problems on a product thats not even going to be released for another couple months at the least is quite annoying. I'll be getting one if Sprint doesn't one up it's self with something better before then.
Oh by the way HTC broke compatibility with 2.1 Hero and AOSP with their 2.6.29 kernel by using their own non standard power management in kernel. This is the only flaw I can see that would validate this thread and thats if this new power management makes it into the EVO and if and when they release the kernel source. Time will tell. Not random guessing and random andorid "news".
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This is idiotic. There already is 4G support in android as evidenced by the EVO it's self and root will happen no matter what. I have no doubt that it will be running Froyo when it comes out so "other" roms won't really matter and who would want to run "other" roms when you have a Froyo base running the latest Sense UI on a HDMI streaming Snapdragon Beast. Maybe I missed the whole point of this thread but finding potential problems on a product thats not even going to be released for another couple months at the least is quite annoying. I'll be getting one if Sprint doesn't one up it's self with something better before then.
Oh by the way HTC broke compatibility with 2.1 Hero and AOSP with their 2.6.29 kernel by using their own non standard power management in kernel. This is the only flaw I can see that would validate this thread and thats if this new power management makes it into the EVO and if and when they release the kernel source. Time will tell. Not random guessing and random andorid "news".
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Thanks for your input, I disagree with everything you just said, but time will tell which one is right.
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Thanks for your input, I disagree with everything you just said, but time will tell which one is right.
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This is funny. The EVO is what it is, and will be what it will be, once it is released. Even at that time, it won't matter which one of you is right, simply because... well, it doesn't matter.
the i9000 is my last device from samsung, never again Ill buy something from them...
Its October and WHERE TO HELL IS FROYO...
Samsung sucks a lot.
I don't it is such a big problem that Froyo is not out.
I am very content with JM8 and the Froyo betas I tried weren't such an amazing improvement...
Seriously? another one of these threads?
did you not see the one already posted about someone annoyed about the SGS? Yes it has issues but NOTHING is perfect, a little background homework on your part would have saved you this rant thread, but i get where you are coming from, Sammy is playing by threads here but is there anything you can do apart from not buying their stuff, but really you are because they create components and insert them in various products which aren't theirs, so when you buy a different brand they are bound to have one little part manufactured from Sammy.
And it's the FIRST of October, be patient!
We've all established that the SGS has its flaws as well as the company, now can we please just move on and try to get these issues fixed instead of *****ing about them 24/7.
Bunch of trolls....Dont let the door hit you on your way out!
SGS is the best phone on the market...hands down! The N900 and iphone 4 are a close second! But both those phones have issues (too thick and too restricted).
we need a new "Rant" section in the forum, then we can move all these pointless topics there
You are right, froyo is not top of the world but my sgs cant navigate it looses even outdoor by walking the signal...
What is the best froyo rom at the moment for the galaxy?
none really, the last 3 froyo has been devastating, it either kills your IMEI or kills your internal SD
take your pick
LOL
No special need for froyo, a true techy doens't need the "improvements" of the froyo "update"
Sure, using froyo myself; but feels pretty much the same as my lagfixed stock rom.
Can't wait? there are plenty of roms available but you could have known that smasung always give up on their models support within a half year =/
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none really, the last 3 froyo has been devastating, it either kills your IMEI or kills your internal SD
take your pick
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Kills sd? The only thing I've heard that kills the sd is users not installing lag fixes correctly.
I am extremely happy with the phone (JM8 + voodoo) that I really don't feel the urge to upgrade to Froyo.
I will do that only when Froyo matures and reaches the polish level of JM8. And that is not going to happen anywhere soon, even if the release an official version.
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Its October and WHERE TO HELL IS FROYO...
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Chill !
The Samsung Representatives in Romania said that the official Froyo update will be released somewhere around 15 October, so have a little more patience.
To be honest I think the whole 2.2 thing is probably overrated.
I can understand why Desire users wanted it as they could not move apps to the external card without rooting. Also they couldn't use the phone as a wireless router.
Even when 2.2 is released we will still be left with a phone. 2.2 is not going to change our lives. It might add a couple of nice touches to things here and there, but we will still visit roughly the same websites (flash might be nice), phone the same people etc
I'll install it when it comes, but I can't see that it is going to make a massive difference to how I use the phone
I had to wait for the HTC Hero update to 2.1, thats what a wait is
Are you seriously ripping on Samsung? Learn to be patient young one. Good things come to those who wait. The Samsung Galaxy S I9000 is the best phone I have ever had. Froyo will come out sooner or later.
Samsung is the biggest semiconductor maker in the world...no matter what you buy, it was samsung parts inside!
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the i9000 is my last device from samsung, never again Ill buy something from them...
Its October and WHERE TO HELL IS FROYO...
Samsung sucks a lot.
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good for you, actually why don't u just trade it in now
we need a mod who will ban this annoying trolls
pharaohdk said:
we need a mod who will ban this annoying trolls
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+1 to that.
enigmameusa said:
To be honest I think the whole 2.2 thing is probably overrated.
I can understand why Desire users wanted it as they could not move apps to the external card without rooting. Also they couldn't use the phone as a wireless router.
Even when 2.2 is released we will still be left with a phone. 2.2 is not going to change our lives. It might add a couple of nice touches to things here and there, but we will still visit roughly the same websites (flash might be nice), phone the same people etc
I'll install it when it comes, but I can't see that it is going to make a massive difference to how I use the phone
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One of the most sensible posts i've read on here TBH.
lol you got crazy ? i'm happy with running jm1 and i dont really care about froyo, what u need so much in froyo ????
Froyos rolling out in the UK right now. It's gonna take a month for it to complete, and we should be next.
Edit: Sorry for the double post, some one posted as I was typing.
www.androidcentral.com/froyo-pushing-out-galaxy-s-phones-uk-right-about-now
Friends don't let friends flash drunk...
jayprime said:
Froyos rolling out in the UK right now. It's gonna take a month for it to complete, and we should be next.
Edit: Sorry for the double post, some one posted as I was typing.
www.androidcentral.com/froyo-pushing-out-galaxy-s-phones-uk-right-about-now
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Ya shouldn't be long now
oh my god, a froyo thread with a REAL information and not total speculation! will pigs fly next!?
pigs have flown i has seen them.
Don't look up though, they'll poop on your head.
So itll take another month and then we might get it? So we are looking at another full month before it even begins in the US? Thats interesting. Im curious as to what is so different between the UK/US versions that they need a whole month more to get it ready....if this hardware wasnt so awesome i might be tired enough of the update game to dust off my nexua. Hell by the time the vibrant gets froyo my nexus may very well have gingerbread and then ebay will he my vibrants new home. Its starting to look as though all the samsung android customers were right all along to warn against getting a samsung device....when I had my g1, mt3g, and nexus, all through those I recall reading so much about how bad Samsung is about updates. But their phones blew so it didn't really resonate with me. But my wife got a vibrant and I was happy to get the free one that came with it because the hardware is definitely a step above my n1, the vibrants camera is as good as advertised.
But I wonder how many galaxy s owners had previously owned Samsung phones. Because Samsung owners are always complaining (rightfully so) about all the delays, and here I join them. So even though the galaxy s is selling out of its mind, Samsung is still dragging its feet on updates. I for one wont buy another Samsung unless its so far ahead of the game that I can't get a comparable HTC. So even though they are breaking sales records, I wonder what samsungs repeat business statistics look like. Because there are only so many people left for Samsung to alienate, these sales figures might really be misleading regarding potential if. Afterall froyo isnt a maintenance update we are waiting for spped, adobe flash and more, its a serious update and by the looks of it, if and when we do get it, gingerbread will just he released. I am uncomfortable with a phone that is an entire update period behind, makes me kinda anxious. I think with all the competition, delaying updates can really hurt a company's reputation. Aside from some glaring design negligence (camera flash, no trackball/pad, volume buttons directly opposite power button(counterintuitve/awkward to press one without pressing the other), and no extra mic for background noise, this phone is an absolute beast, with tweaks it could be the most powerful hardware until the next galaxy s phone, i love having all this power. But remaining so far behind the software will really start becoming noticeable even to the novice, as features are advertised for newer software on newer devices and people wonder why they don't have the features even though they ostensibly have the software...
OK yea so I just ranted and wasted several valuabke minutes of your life. In turn I hope you will all feel free to waste my time on this forum any time you'd like to ; )
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pigs have flown i has seen them.
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Fu*k it free Bacon.
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Free bacon? Try and catch a flying pig, its impossible much like gps for eugenes froyo. Greasy little pigs
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I hope someone can rip the GPS drivers from it and bake a ROM early.
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So itll take another month and then we might get it? So we are looking at another full month before it even begins in the US? Thats interesting. Im curious as to what is so different between the UK/US versions that they need a whole month more to get it ready....if this hardware wasnt so awesome i might be tired enough of the update game to dust off my nexua....
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Yep. Samsung sucks.
I might dump mine and dust off my 3Gs, and wait to see the new hardware with Gingerbread.
Tired of the update wait, tired of the crappy battery life.
BTW, Gingerbread is about to be out -- I never thought it will be out before the Galaxy S got bumped to Froyo. So much for a flagship.
MacGuy2006 said:
Yep. Samsung sucks.
I might dump mine and dust off my 3Gs, and wait to see the new hardware with Gingerbread.
Tired of the update wait, tired of the crappy battery life.
BTW, Gingerbread is about to be out -- I never thought it will be out before the Galaxy S got bumped to Froyo. So much for a flagship.
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What sucks is that Gingerbread, yet rumored is supposed to launch this month yet. It's sad that we don't have Froyo yet and yet there's talk of Gingerbread launching. The "Nexus 2" was the only phone as of yet to come with Gingerbread though isn't it? (might be others..) Still sucks we are waiting for 2.2 yet the MT2G has froyo and the Droid Series does.
The rumored date for Gingerbread is Nov15, maybe we will get 2.3 instead of 2.2 =D Wishful thinking.
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What sucks is that Gingerbread, yet rumored is supposed to launch this month yet. It's sad that we don't have Froyo yet and yet there's talk of Gingerbread launching. The "Nexus 2" was the only phone as of yet to come with Gingerbread though isn't it? (might be others..) Still sucks we are waiting for 2.2 yet the MT2G has froyo and the Droid Series does.
The rumored date for Gingerbread is Nov15, maybe we will get 2.3 instead of 2.2 =D Wishful thinking.
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The fact that a Samsung phone is getting Gingerbread first makes me a LOT less worried about getting it on our Vibrants soon. It should be much easier to port.
So the wait for FROYO has taken a while. I expect the wait for Gingerbread to be a lot shorter.
And everyone that's so frustrated with not having FroYo is frustrated...why? I assume all of you are running totally stock phones without any kind of modifications whatsoever?
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And everyone that's so frustrated with not having FroYo is frustrated...why? I assume all of you are running totally stock phones without any kind of modifications whatsoever?
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I'm running stock with root and removed the bloatware.
I'm more frustrated at the fact at how much time it's taken to push the update. Samsung promised we would get 2.2, didn't say when, but did say we would get it. Yet we are going on 4 months now and "possbily" getting it Nov-Dec?
I love the phone, but the JI6 destroyed the battery life, that's my only problems. GPS is okay, still needs fixes but hopefully that will come.
I just want Samsung to support the damn device and not screw us. Watch, the UK Galaxy S will get Froyo and when time comes for us to "have it" they'll pull the switch-a-roo and say "Oops, it doesn't work so you won't get the 2.2".
For a phone that sold millions its pretty ****ty of Samsung to not be updating their **** fast enough.
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I'm running stock with root and removed the bloatware.
I'm more frustrated at the fact at how much time it's taken to push the update. Samsung promised we would get 2.2, didn't say when, but did say we would get it. Yet we are going on 4 months now and "possbily" getting it Nov-Dec?
I love the phone, but the JI6 destroyed the battery life, that's my only problems. GPS is okay, still needs fixes but hopefully that will come.
I just want Samsung to support the damn device and not screw us. Watch, the UK Galaxy S will get Froyo and when time comes for us to "have it" they'll pull the switch-a-roo and say "Oops, it doesn't work so you won't get the 2.2".
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If JI6 "destroyed your battery life," just flash the JI2 modem.
according to Samsung...we will have froyo by the end of the year. I follow Galaxyssupport on twitter. That account is official tech support account for our phones and I asked yesterday about the updates. They stated that we would have our updates by the end of the year
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If Froyo isn't made available before the rumored Nexus Two I'm selling off my Vibrant and getting it! I want the improved bluetooth support, JIT, arabic support, improved battery life, etc now!
RE:2.2/Froyo pulled?
Hello,
All the speculations and rumors about the Verizon 2.2/Froyo update being pulled are false, I assure the update is still coming. We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all Verizon users as soon as possible.
Thanks,
TwitterSamsungJohn
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In the words of Peter Griffin:
"Bull (pause) Crap."
That is all.
IMO
i just don't understand why that thread had the be locked.. (and stickied!)
there is no new info in that, and it just says the same exact thing that samsung has been telling us since october: froyo will be here "soon"
is samsungjohn really that scared of our responses?
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i just don't understand why that thread had the be locked.. (and stickied!)
there is no new info in that, and it just says the same exact thing that samsung has been telling us since october: froyo will be here "soon"
is samsungjohn really that scared of our responses?
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That is why I opened this one. I'm in a ranting mood today so feel free to add your frustrated comments.
We have froyo & don't want their bloated version. They need to work on & bring us the latest OS
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We have froyo & don't want their bloated version. They need to work on & bring us the latest OS
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i for one would love for them to release their bloated version (even though i wont use it!), because that means we get KERNEL SOURCE!
how i miss my BLN, voodoo sound/colors, undervolted/overclocked kernels!
Well.... I had high hopes when he came a long. But, It has been too long, I will NEVER buy samsung again. It has been confirmed that I will buy HTC from now on. They are fast with updates, and well over all a better company. Buy Sammy, I am going to get rid of this POS phone ASAP.
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In the words of Peter Griffin:
"Bull (pause) Crap."
That is all.
IMO
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Yes, Samsung is creating Froyo builds for our phone and sending them to Verizon just for fun, and neither have any intention of ever releasing it. Get real, they may be stupid, but they would never put resources into something that's never getting released.
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Well.... I had high hopes when he came a long. But, It has been too long, I will NEVER buy samsung again. It has been confirmed that I will buy HTC from now on. They are fast with updates, and well over all a better company. Buy Sammy, I am going to get rid of this POS phone ASAP.
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Wonderful phone but no more Samsung for me, too... I had the i920 and was always waiting for new releases. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....
jv HTC here i come!
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I will NEVER buy samsung again.
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I won't say never, but.......
I bought my device with the OS it had, I don't really feel that I am owed anything else. BUT, The GPS was a fail on mine until I loaded the leaked 2.2 roms. It would take many minutes to lock, if it ever did lock.
This phone charges at about a 300ma rate on USB, and at about a 600ma rate on a high rate charger. Using it in a car as a GPS (bright screen, constant processing) consumes closer to 1000ma. So, while on charge in the car as a GPS, your battery is going dead. That is a failed hardware design.
After using the phone for a time again as a GPS in the car, the buttons (back, home etc.) start blinking and any apps close down. The phone becomes worthless. I need to unplug it, pull the battery and let it cool off for 10 minutes or so before it is useable. VZW and Samsung say 'don't use it like that!'. What? My previous HTC phone would do this for days on end. More hardware fail.
Needless to say, I am not overly impressed with the Samsung hardware or the software. Like I said, I'm not going to say 'never', but this is wearing thin...........
I'm a little pissed because when I bought the phone from verizon I asked the rep if if had 2.2. She said, "no all our phones ship with 2.1 but are all have froyo updates that you can do from home." We should all get free thunderbolts for our troubles.
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I'm a little pissed because when I bought the phone from verizon I asked the rep if if had 2.2. She said, "no all our phones ship with 2.1 but are all have froyo updates that you can do from home." We should all get free thunderbolts for our troubles.
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She didn't lie to you. You can get 2.2, from home, when they release it.
I love how my desktop doc user manual says "The audio line out jack will be fully functional upon the release of android 2.2 for samsung galaxy s phones. To update your phone to android 2.2, visit samsung electronics web site at www.samsungmobileusa.com."
theGross1 said:
I'm a little pissed because when I bought the phone from verizon I asked the rep if if had 2.2. She said, "no all our phones ship with 2.1 but are all have froyo updates that you can do from home." We should all get free thunderbolts for our troubles.
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+1 for free Thunderbolts, although I have my eye on that new LG Optimus duel core.
It's telling that even the rumors have died down. A couple months ago searching for "fascinate froyo" would pull up speculation and rumors galore. Now, nothing pertinent. This is long past a fail.
I'll decide what phone to get next based on what there is at the time. But both Samsung and Verizon will be at substantial disadvantages in the comparison.
OK now that sammy said so here it has to be soon NOTthey have said that it would be coming for seven months. We already have froyo, and ton of roms
I know we have Froyo already, but how about a version that doesn't have battery destroying wakelocks? I am still looking forward to an official release that will hopefully be less buggy than the Froyo we have now.
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At this point Froyo is meaningless, as it's been seven months since it was promised to be out "very soon." Having source would be great, but it's too late for Samsung; epic fail. They had better redeem themselves with a surprise (and quick...as in ACTUALLY QUICK) Gingerbread release instead of Froyo, otherwise they will lose a ton of customers, including me.
With Samsung, it appears to be one jerk job after another. By the time they roll out 2.2, a lot of us will be ready for another upgrade, and guess what, we're going to think long and hard about buying another Samsung product. I like my Fascinate, but only because we have the leaked 2.2. If I was still on 2.1, I'd most likely be using a different phone by now.
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With Samsung, it appears to be one jerk job after another. By the time they roll out 2.2, a lot of us will be ready for another upgrade, and guess what, we're going to think long and hard about buying another Samsung product. I like my Fascinate, but only because we have the leaked 2.2. If I was still on 2.1, I'd most likely be using a different phone by now.
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You said it! Heck, we'll all probably be on different phones by the time Samsung releases Froyo, because our TWO YEAR contracts will be up by then.
We want a bloated Froyo so that we can get source code! That's what has been holding us back with development! I'm so sick of all these empty promises. "You'll get Froyo in September. No wait, November." "Er, we meant, before the end of 2010!" And as 2011 began, "it's coming soon!" 3 months later, it's the same empty promise of soon, so they send John to post here and attempt to keep us at bay. Samsung can shove it. It's completely unacceptable, and I am so tempted to submit this to the Better Business Bureau. We can't even use accessories that we purchased a long time ago, because we still don't have 2.2. This phone should go EOL and we should get free Tbolts, as someone said earlier. These are unacceptable practices, and I'm pissed about it. I don't know how Samsung is getting away with it.
Just got done reading a petition about motorola's locked bootloader.
While sifting through the comments people made, pleading for motorola to remove their locks. I could only think of how so many members ridicule samsung. does everyone realize that they (samsung) gave us a great phone? That its almost unbrickable.. Sure froyo took a long time, but they admitted publicly that getting froyo out was a disaster and that they will take measures to make sure it won't happen again. And they even attempted to reach out to the community through samsungjohn.. even if it was just an attempt to calm the community, it shows samsung supports the community.. Or at the very least that they care about what we think and say.. Samsung could be a lot more like motorola, and completely overlook the needs and desires of the small percentage of users that our communities consist of.
my next phone will be a sgs2
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Yea. With htc following Motorola's path of locking down the bootloader, seems like samsung is one of the last to be developer friendly.
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neh4pres said:
my next phone will be a sgs2
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... unless they lock that too.
Not to many people realize how special this phone will be when we can overclock to 1.6ghz, that was mention in engadget i think. But this phone rocks with root and superclean. But the majority of people dont really take the time to explore android phones and all they offer. For example businessmen, my father who is in the insurance business used his droid x for almost everything. My brother rooted it and set up everything in a much more user friendly way. But just when everyone gets upset about no froyo (official) for fascinate, they forget the beauty of android, and thats its able to be edited by developers and that its open source. We arent supposed to have froyo yet most likely every fascinate owner on this forum has froyo.
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But just when everyone gets upset about no froyo (official) for fascinate, they forget the beauty of android, and thats its able to be edited by developers and that its open source. We arent supposed to have froyo yet most likely every fascinate owner on this forum has froyo.
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Not to nitpick... but I'd like to just add a little bit of an aside here. There has been no official release of Froyo, which means that according to Samsung and Verizon, we shouldn't have it. (of course, some one will speak up and say "leaked builds are just a sneaky way that samsung gets free public beta testing." To that I say "maybe. But I doubt it.")
Not only that, but most of the cool mods in the dev/themes section are done to precompiled files that have been decompiled, modded, then recompiled, which takes massive amounts of time, and is a dirty process that leaves behind dead code and mismatched signatures. People are jumping through massive hoops to do something because we don't have the source code to edit it directly. Saying that the stock ROM is open, is like saying a jailbroken iPhone is open. It's only "open" because people have poured countless hours working around the restrictions of an already compiled system, using tools that took countless hours to make.
Both of these issues are actually a major gray area of the law, and if a pesky legal team got bored, it's hard to tell what kind of trouble they might be able to stir up (especially when the judicial system is all about $$).
Even after we do get the source code (which we still don't have), there are still lots of binary "blobs" of data that are already compiled, reducing the amount of control we actually have over the hardware devices and proprietary elements of the stock rom.
So Android is mostly open source, but Samsung is only as open as it wants to be. Their delay in releasing the source, bad coding, and use of proprietary code still sets them fairly in the realm of developer unfriendly. They just aren't as bad as some of the others.
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Not to nitpick... but I'd like to just add a little bit of an aside here. There has been no official release of Froyo, which means that according to Samsung and Verizon, we shouldn't have it.
Both of these issues are actually a major gray area of the law, and if a pesky legal team got bored, it's hard to tell what kind of trouble they might be able to stir up (especially when the judicial system is all about $$).
So Android is mostly open source, but Samsung is only as open as it wants to be. Their delay in releasing the source, bad coding, and use of proprietary code still sets them fairly in the realm of developer unfriendly. They just aren't as bad as some of the others.
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I am forever grateful for the dev teams hours spent on this phone to give us something that we shouldnt have. And I agree, I think its all about the money for the phone manufacturers. The nice thing about android is that you dont pay to upgrade, but thats also their downfall because whats in it for samsung if they work hard and release something that is stable for our phones. Loyal customers which is true and a big part of their business. But for the most part, their client base is so huge, our whining doesnt even put a dent in there sales. Furthermore, Verizon doesn't care about releasing the official froyo update because they have you in a 2 year contract. And as bad as the the wait has been to get froyo, I would never switch carriers because ATT is worse IMO, but who knows now that they bought T-Mobile.
neh4pres said:
my next phone will be a sgs2
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I've been debating getting a Bionic but in thinking more and more about it I have to agree with you. my next phone will be the Sgs2. I absolutely love my sgs even if we don't have an official froyo build, the great devs we have have me rocking a super clean voodoo that blows all my friends various moto, htc, etc devices out of the water.
Do I wish verizon and samsung pushed an official froyo build? Sure
will that lack of support stop me from getting my hands on the sgs2? Hell no.
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Do I wish verizon and samsung pushed an official froyo build? Sure
will that lack of support stop me from getting my hands on the sgs2? Hell no.
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+1 I agree totally!!
Pretty sure that I'm going for the sgs2 as well. Bottom line: the Fascinate has been the best smart phone I've ever owned (even as only eclair). I enjoy all the flashing of Roms and Kernels too. Its kinda made owning the phone worth it. In other words, not having official release but trying out these leaks is great fun! I'm not nearly as bent out of shape as some others are about the lack of support by Samsung/Verizon. Sure, it would be nice if they were better about software releases but I ain't losing any sleep over it.
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Pretty sure that I'm going for the sgs2 as well. Bottom line: the Fascinate has been the best smart phone I've ever owned (even as only eclair). I enjoy all the flashing of Roms and Kernels too. Its kinda made owning the phone worth it. In other words, not having official release but trying out these leaks is great fun! I'm not nearly as bent out of shape as some others are about the lack of support by Samsung/Verizon. Sure, it would be nice if they were better about software releases but I ain't losing any sleep over it.
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Thats cool but allegedly thats going to have a signed bootloader too.
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