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Zooomer adds full multitouch zoom to HTC HD2

Haven't seen this posted yet
From Slashgear:
A week ago we described HTC’s HD2 as the poster-child for Windows Mobile 6.5, despite HTC having to replace, rework or generally junk a lot of the Microsoft OS’ native functionality and replace it with their own. One such change – and a particularly welcome one at that – is multitouch support, but HTC have limited its use in the final build to the browser and a few other apps. Now there’s a nifty app which unlocks multitouch support in every app system-wide.
Zooomer for the HTC HD2 will work with any .exe executable file on the Windows Phone, and basically add in multitouch control. That’s going to be of mixed use, of course, since not all apps will really benefit from it, but we’re glad to at least have the choice ourselves. The functionality is selective, too, which means you can turn off Zooomer’s multitouch on an app-by-app basis if you’re experiencing problems or just find the zooming frustrating (such as in certain games, perhaps).
If anything, this shows one of the lesser-sung benefits of the Windows Mobile platform: that there are lots of developers out there familiar with it, and who will readily code together apps (and release them as donationware) that tinker with basic functionality in this way. While Microsoft don’t exactly encourage such modification, neither do they stand in its way (such as Apple might). You can download Zooomer for the HTC HD2 here [.cab link]; it requires a soft reset before it will work
http://www.slashgear.com/zooomer-ad...ashgear+(SlashGear)&utm_content=Google+Reader

Nice find! Gonna give that a try in a bit!

It's been posted here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584940

[Q] Some infos before flashing

Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.

Prepare yourself for a flaming of a lifetime.

Postaldude said:
Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.
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First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.

justwonder said:
First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.
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1. Why shouldn't I? There are enough examples, that anonymity is not given in every way these days on the web...
2. No, it did run well. But it
-isn't nearly as smooth as the iPhone-OS or Android
-HTC Sense seems to stuck several times with WM 6.5, which brings me to conclusion that HTC wasn't allowed to create a consequent GUI without corrupting MS license restrictions
-Browsers (Stock Opera, Opera 10, Opera Mini, Skyfire) are really slow
-I got a bunch of crashes even with updated stock ROMs and CF 3.5 installed
-the response between OS and touchscreen is still very laggy which results in the over-sensibility and the so-called ghost-effect, when the screenkeys begin jerking out/ the screen is working commands that had been given more than a minute along
-pinch-to-zoom only seems to be a gimmick clearly running in the SENSE environment and apps based upon it. The WM GUI isn't compatible to it in many ways
- and most important, it still is giving me white knuckles that MS at last decided to make WMP 7 NOT available, needless to say, AFTER several Leos were sold with prediction for WMP 7 being available sooner or later
Sure, you got a working OS for everydays use, but it is as unattractive and as imperformant as it could be the day it came on such a steroidic device like the HD2. MS has epicly failed in giving attention to the mobile phone market, that's for sure. It isn't done with borderless synchonization of Outlook e-mail and contacts - because todays smartphones are capabale of so much more. For something like this, you don't need a 1 GHz Snapdragon, together with 512 MB systemmemory. And after making such hard license restrictions for developers that are in charge to use WMP7, I think this won't ever change.
And sure, you're able to customize this OS as far as you want. But take the usual Jon Doe, excited by HD2-Ads and offended by an OS, that feels and looks like it is 10 years old under the SENSE-surface, with an app-catalogue that's growing slower and slower. And Jon Doe's not the man to deal with custom roms and tweaks.
Now take Android on the other hand. Based on the Linux-Kernel, which is known to give you every possible freedom, together with every possible brick to handle - which you're able to fix by yourself and what makes it attractive mostly for enthusiastics - it's a good blend of functionality ergonomics/ease-of-use. These two words together exclamated each other more or less in the past and this is one of the reasons, why Linux as a desktop-system hasn't become more popular over the years of development. Besides this, linux distributions are the fastest and most stable running OS I ever used on a PC. Now, Android is in charge and able to become as popular as MS is on desktop-systems, because it's working good. Most of the start-up problems that occured on early Droids are eliminated, this phone-OS becomes more and more performant. And it seems to be a lot more flexible than any other phone-OS
Finally, this discussion turned right the way i thought it would end. I'd like to thank you all for your information at first. If you'd like to make further dialogue affecting the goods and bads of WM, please contact me PM.

HTC Hup V 1.2 (Build 2020.36209)

so here's the question :
will it be possible to mod HTC Hup ?
or ad some extra tiles/tabs to HTC Hup .
and is there someone that can tell me how sense look (is it one app or is it something like 1000 manila files)

i dont know much about it, but i assume it will be possible, anything is possible if you work at it. Sense however is one app or "hub" as they are calling it on WP7 so im not sure how it would work but i doubt it will be just manilla files, i reckon some hard coding will be needed.

I agree, someone on here will probably re-engineer them, but what's the point?
Previous versions of the Sense UI laid over (and hid) the OS, in this case it is just another app based in a WP Hub, it will have a much more minor role.
In fact from the previews I've seen in my opinion it will be pretty useless. In the past HTC used Sense UI to give glanceable info to Windows Mobile, now that Windows Phone does this from it's core, HTC have gone in a completly opposite direction by putting on an overly animation heavy interface onto a glaceable UI!!! Now it takes 2 to 3 seconds to get into the HTC hub because of all their fancy animations.
Someone may port it to non-HTC devices or copy the latest versions (going forward Sense 3.1, 3.5, etc) onto all the phone.
I'm sure the developers here are more interested in WP7 itself rather than Sense UI which has well and truley become an animation bloatware on WP7.

actually looks like MS and HTC declared that no custom home screen will be available fot WP7 phones

ceesheim said:
so here's the question :
will it be possible to mod sense 3.0 ?
or ad some extra tiles/tabs to sense 3.0 .
and is there someone that can tell me how sense look (is it one app or is it something like 1000 manila files)
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Hi,
There are no manila files (yet).
See post #13 in the thread:
HTML:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760051&page=2
Regards, ansar.

From a programmers point of view the Sense App on HTC's WP7 devices is just another app (although it seems to have the possibility to access more than regular WP7 apps built with the public tools (sound settings on the Surround and HD7).
HTC currently mainly uses it to add Weather and Stock-Updates as those are not part of the base OS.

StevieBallz said:
From a programmers point of view the Sense App on HTC's WP7 devices is just another app (although it seems to have the possibility to access more than regular WP7 apps built with the public tools (sound settings on the Surround and HD7).
HTC currently mainly uses it to add Weather and Stock-Updates as those are not part of the base OS.
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Short answer no.
Long answer:
"Sense 3.0" is based on Silverlight. Which won't run on Windows Mobile 6.5 or less.

walshieau said:
Short answer no.
Long answer:
"Sense 3.0" is based on Silverlight. Which won't run on Windows Mobile 6.5 or less.
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Well... it is just another App... although a WP7-App that won't run anywhere else - what I meant to say: I don't see why anyone would need this thing anyplace else, what it provides is little and could easily be done by just writing a simple App.

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Stay On topic please.

Helpp Needed !!!! :)

hey there guys.,
i got a new Samsung B6520 Omnia Pro 5 ( running Windows Standard 6.5) a couple of days back.
It's basically a non touch phone( 320 x 240 pixels, 2.4 inches, QWERTY) and I'm looking for apps / themes/ and stuff in general for my phone.
i tried looking around the forum, but in vain.. so somebody Plzzzzz help...!!
i really think i made a mistake getting a WinMo
~Hbk~

Return it......... get an Android based phone the problem with the 6.5 it will not update to win7 so this op system is a dead horse. Sorry but yes you did make a mistake.

If you were going WM then you should have gotten a touch screen phone, there are loads of themes etc to try, or you could have installed SPB MS3.5 and had the best OS and interface a business/general use phone can have at the moment.
If you wanted games though, as oka1 said, android is better suited while still managing to be an ok business phone (htc sense makes this better I've found)

From an applications developer's point of view, programming for WinMo Standard can be a bit of a pain. You have to decide whether or not your program is going to run on it, or not, at design time. It may end up as a completely different release of the program.
Having said that, it is possible to make a single .exe run on both WinMo Professional and Standard, but the program has to look at which platform it is running on, and then behave accordingly. On WinMo Standard, there is no Touchscreen/Mouseclick input, only the keyboard and the D-Pad/Enter buttons. The interface has to be designed to work with both from the outset, or both interfaces must be included in the same program, then it decides and uses the correct one at runtime.
It can be done but it is a lot of extra effort. As an example try the 5x5 or Peg Solitaire puzzles in the signature below.

thanks for the inputs guys
i really wish some one could just write a program to port android onto a windows phone keeping in mind the hardware changes too. ..
But my question is, " When we are seamlessly able to install / un-install OS's on our desktops/ laptops, why not on a mobile phone?!"
I REALLY think mobile phone manufacturers should give the consumers that flexibility to chose what OS they'd want running on their devices. .
Who knows?! maybe they'd think on these lines in the future perhaps?
~Hbk~

Get a HTC HD2, it can run WM, WP7 (why you'd want to I don't know), Android, Win95, Win98, Ubuntu and a few others.

ya get HTC its awesome machine and it also works on each and every window whatever it is window vista or whatever it window 7.. ya YOu made a mistake but now dont waste time if you want winpro

I really hope some philanthropic people come forward and donate what ever they can..
Coz i really can't afford an Android right now..
I shall officially kick start "Project Andriod 2.2" A Donation Drive to help people who are stuck with symbian/winmo and want a serious upgrade to ANDROID..
~HbK~

I shall post the default/original wallpapers of Samsung B6520 Omnia here in this thread later..

Multitouch FIX any takers?

Is anyone trying to FIX multitouch?
I think that it is the last problem in our roms

It is a driver issue. Drivers are much harder to mod/write than other bits and pieces so unlikely to happen.
However, I'm not sure if the HD7 uses the same digitiser (I'm not a dev, but an enthusiast with some dev understanding).

digitiser is similar e.g. uses same chip. I have a broken HD2 and HD7 purchised just for testing. It must be a driver issue e.g. outdated driver or incompatible with wp7 software. Either that, or if it is in the bootloader/ phone bios, then possibly MGRLD is interfering somehow not sure with those things

Not only multi touch left - multitouch, camera with flash green tint, battery reporting/charging.
All this problems drivers related and will never be fixed, unfortunatly. It can be fixed by HTC only. Nobody here has needed tools and detailed knowledge of hardware of HD2. But HTC won't do anything about this. Drivers from HD7 not working for HD2. Or working bad.
P.S. all this problems exist from first day of WP7 on HD2 and never changed.

Never ? Are you sure ? sniff...

skirep said:
Never ? Are you sure ? sniff...
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I will say 99.99%. My job is related to drivers and hardware development for microcontrollers- i know what is it.
And how much effort and knowledge it requires.
So i left 0.01% for the miracle. Sorry

But how was it then posible to make it work in android? Just curious..

jaka.erc said:
But how was it then posible to make it work in android? Just curious..
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Good question - only can guess. First of all drivers are different for Android of couse. Android is more open system then WP7 with different structure. Somebody used probably similar drivers from other android HTC(they have a lot of different) with modification with knowledge/information about HD2 and related to android leaked from HTC. Tools to build/complile drivers for linux/android is more available then for WP7. Theoretilacy who did it for android possible can do it for WP7 with specific tools. But it wasn't even changed a bit over more than 6 months, so i think low level driver developers(real firmware developers) not interested in HD2 for WP7.
So that is why chances to have perfect WP7 on HD2 are almost zero.
If you want just use perfectly working WP7 - not experimenting and reflashing all the time - buy native WP7 device.

jaka.erc said:
But how was it then posible to make it work in android? Just curious..
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It was a lot of things actually. There was the similarity between the HD2 and the Desire. Android being open source also helped a lot. But probably one of the biggest things was some ingenuity from one of the developers (can't remember off the top of my head). Basically, the HD2 doesn't seem to really support any multitouch except for pinch-to-zoom (believed to be hardware limitation), which probably explains why this works fine in WP7. Ingenuity at the driver level got 2-point multi-touch working in about 99% of the ways one would use it.
I would think we will never see a fix for Windows phone. If I remember correctly, it is technically possible to use hardware that doesn't use a driver that comes built-in to the OS, but no manufacturer has done this to date, and they're on their own when it comes to drivers. As such, other than someone on the Windows Phone team at Microsoft, I don't think anyone knows how to write a driver for Windows Phone.
Personally, I don't care about multi-touch at all. The only multitouch thing I'd ever do is pinch-to-zoom, which does work fine. Even then, I don't use it all that often. If I want to zoom in to read something, I double-tap and it zooms in for me.

legolas93 said:
Is anyone trying to FIX multitouch?
I think that it is the last problem in our roms
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Here is the thread you should be reading!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1239705

I think the only real problem would be if the drivers have to be signed (I'm not sure how it is now), and even then there could be workarounds.
Reverse engineering and modifying drivers is of course quite possible, so I don't see any reason why someone with knowledge and enough time (and fortunately, there are quite a few such people out there) wouldn't be able for example, to compare drivers from HD2 and HD7 and modify them.