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Windows mobile OS on Nexus?

Ive seen People port from Windows mobile to Android.. is it possible opposite?
from Android to win mo?

ruslanriad said:
Ive seen People port from Windows mobile to Android.. is it possible opposite?
from Android to win mo?
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why on earth would you wanna ruin a perfectly good phone? lol

it 'may' be possible. nobody's working on it, as far as i know.
and, use the search button

you must like blue screens.

ruslanriad said:
Ive seen People port from Windows mobile to Android.. is it possible opposite?
from Android to win mo?
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timothydonohue said:
it 'may' be possible. nobody's working on it, as far as i know.
and, use the search button
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Like timothydonohue said... SEARCH. This worthless, waste of a thread topic has come up before and was promptly laughed off as a joke.

Why you asking for Windows Mobile, how about Windows Phone 7!

You CAN run Windoze on many laptops & desktops,,, but, why would you want to ??
Cheers!
Lodger (Smug linux user...)

windows is sh*tty i regreted buying hd2 rather than the nexus one be proud of your phone man and forget about windows and all its sh*t (from hd2 user )

While I do agree with these posts that Windows is a horrible mobile OS, let's at least try not to just fill this thread up with unhelpful opinions on how crappy it is.
The specs of the HD2 aren't vastly different to the Nexus so it may be possible to port that rom over, though I literally have no idea how or even if!

hoss_n2 said:
windows is sh*tty i regreted buying hd2 rather than the nexus one be proud of your phone man and forget about windows and all its sh*t (from hd2 user )
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I was on the fence about which phone I wanted. Decided to go with the Nexus One. If the HD2 ran Android, I'd get it in a heartbeat.

Ok forget why on earth you would want to do this... is it possible?
The main problem is that the bootloader sets up RAM and the MMU in a fixed way and then boots from a specific partition. Replacing the bootloader is dangerous, so you need a way to get around this.
When android is run on WM devices they get around this by using a Haret. This isnt an emulator, android doesnt run inside WM. This is what happens:
- Power up
- Bootloader runs
- Windows boots
- Run Haret
- Haret erases memory, reset the MMU, and efectivly undoes what the bootloader did and redoes it how we need it.
- Haret then loads android into the correct memory space and boots the kernel.
The exact same is possible in reverse. Using an app in android to reconfigure the MMU and boot windows.
However, you need ALOT of information about the APP processor in the phone, and its alot of work. As you can tell from the posts in this thread most people think its an insane idea and that Android is >>>>>> windows.
So although it IS possible you'll find it really hard to find a group of people with the motivation to do the work required to get it done.
People who say its impossible are il informed. People who say 'why the hell would you want to do it' are an illustration of the lack of motivation to put the work in to achieve it.

kam187 said:
Ok forget why on earth you would want to do this... is it possible?
The main problem is that the bootloader sets up RAM and the MMU in a fixed way and then boots from a specific partition. Replacing the bootloader is dangerous, so you need a way to get around this.
When android is run on WM devices they get around this by using a Haret. This isnt an emulator, android doesnt run inside WM. This is what happens:
- Power up
- Bootloader runs
- Windows boots
- Run Haret
- Haret erases memory, reset the MMU, and efectivly undoes what the bootloader did and redoes it how we need it.
- Haret then loads android into the correct memory space and boots the kernel.
The exact same is possible in reverse. Using an app in android to reconfigure the MMU and boot windows.
However, you need ALOT of information about the APP processor in the phone, and its alot of work. As you can tell from the posts in this thread most people think its an insane idea and that Android is >>>>>> windows.
So although it IS possible you'll find it really hard to find a group of people with the motivation to do the work required to get it done.
People who say its impossible are il informed. People who say 'why the hell would you want to do it' are an illustration of the lack of motivation to put the work in to achieve it.
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Thank you for your answer.
I used Windows mobile and yeah I didn't like it.
But i felt that WinMo OS is more powerful than Android.
Because everyone switch from WinMo to Android..
I just wanted to see how will it look opposite..
Nothing is Impossible. Its all just takes time and hard work.
People run different Oses on different hardware.
Sorry for taking your time guys. and yeah like you said there is allot of work have to be done.

[Q] Some infos before flashing

Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.

Prepare yourself for a flaming of a lifetime.

Postaldude said:
Hey guys,
it's my first post here, but I'm still some days here in this board, consuming the contents for my HD2 with apreciation.
HD2 was and still is -hardwaresides- a milestone. When it comes up to the stock OS, there are some major things that I don't get. M*cr*s*fts OS is making this device a cripple, if you ask me. But that's another discussion and even more I was excited when I firstly saw a good friend these days holding me his Leo up the nose with Android embedded.
Now, I'd like to know some things before "flashing" my Leo - if you can say so, as the only thing to do seems to apply some kind of bootloader instaed of cleaning and rewriting the ROM. Which leads me to the
1. Will the installer overwrite the WM6.5 ROM or will it run in a dual-boot system?
2. Will a physical hardreset (volume-buttons) return to the stock-Rom?
3. Which of the local Froyo versions is the most stable with nearly all components working and - if possible - NO skin customizations except SENSE?
Thanks for your help and I hope that Android will bring my Leo to a whole new level.
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First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.

justwonder said:
First of all, why are you afraid to spell out Microsoft?
Second, Winmo didn't cripple HD2 at all, you have fully function phone.
Now, if you put Android on this phone, this make HD2 a cripple phone.
To answer your questions
1. No, Android will not overwrite the wm 6.5 rom, it need wm to run and it runs from sd card.
2. see #1, it will not alter wm rom, wm will be wm after reboot, you dont need to hardset.
3. This is like... personal preference, you have to try to see which build is for you.
the core here is kernel, if you try this build and you have problem, and you see another the build with the same kernel, it likely not going to fix your problem.
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1. Why shouldn't I? There are enough examples, that anonymity is not given in every way these days on the web...
2. No, it did run well. But it
-isn't nearly as smooth as the iPhone-OS or Android
-HTC Sense seems to stuck several times with WM 6.5, which brings me to conclusion that HTC wasn't allowed to create a consequent GUI without corrupting MS license restrictions
-Browsers (Stock Opera, Opera 10, Opera Mini, Skyfire) are really slow
-I got a bunch of crashes even with updated stock ROMs and CF 3.5 installed
-the response between OS and touchscreen is still very laggy which results in the over-sensibility and the so-called ghost-effect, when the screenkeys begin jerking out/ the screen is working commands that had been given more than a minute along
-pinch-to-zoom only seems to be a gimmick clearly running in the SENSE environment and apps based upon it. The WM GUI isn't compatible to it in many ways
- and most important, it still is giving me white knuckles that MS at last decided to make WMP 7 NOT available, needless to say, AFTER several Leos were sold with prediction for WMP 7 being available sooner or later
Sure, you got a working OS for everydays use, but it is as unattractive and as imperformant as it could be the day it came on such a steroidic device like the HD2. MS has epicly failed in giving attention to the mobile phone market, that's for sure. It isn't done with borderless synchonization of Outlook e-mail and contacts - because todays smartphones are capabale of so much more. For something like this, you don't need a 1 GHz Snapdragon, together with 512 MB systemmemory. And after making such hard license restrictions for developers that are in charge to use WMP7, I think this won't ever change.
And sure, you're able to customize this OS as far as you want. But take the usual Jon Doe, excited by HD2-Ads and offended by an OS, that feels and looks like it is 10 years old under the SENSE-surface, with an app-catalogue that's growing slower and slower. And Jon Doe's not the man to deal with custom roms and tweaks.
Now take Android on the other hand. Based on the Linux-Kernel, which is known to give you every possible freedom, together with every possible brick to handle - which you're able to fix by yourself and what makes it attractive mostly for enthusiastics - it's a good blend of functionality ergonomics/ease-of-use. These two words together exclamated each other more or less in the past and this is one of the reasons, why Linux as a desktop-system hasn't become more popular over the years of development. Besides this, linux distributions are the fastest and most stable running OS I ever used on a PC. Now, Android is in charge and able to become as popular as MS is on desktop-systems, because it's working good. Most of the start-up problems that occured on early Droids are eliminated, this phone-OS becomes more and more performant. And it seems to be a lot more flexible than any other phone-OS
Finally, this discussion turned right the way i thought it would end. I'd like to thank you all for your information at first. If you'd like to make further dialogue affecting the goods and bads of WM, please contact me PM.

will we see WM7 for HTC HD soon ?

Will we see WM7 for HTC HD very soon ?
Will it work on our beloved HD ?

Not officially and to be honest, it'll be aimed at much quicker hardware than the Blackstone. That's not to say the chefs can't work miracles... but by the time the "bits" are available to cook something up, most of the people here will be onto their next handset.

You never know...
But there are several software reasons why I will not see it EVER on my HD... or any of my other phones...
As was written on one well known website:
* No system-wide file manager
* No videocalling (I don't use it so far, but...)
* Limited third-party apps availability
* No Bluetooth file transfers
* No USB mass storage mode
* No multitasking
* No copy/paste
* Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing
* No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser
* No DivX/XviD video support
* No internet tethering support
And finally, I agree about hardware requests WM7 is requiring... Too much for my taste...

The changes made to this new operating system for the mobiles (Windows Mobile 7 or WM7) are so radical and so tightly connected to the specific hardware Ithat MS required from the manufacturers) that it will be hard to port this OS to older devices with different hardware.
It is in no way like the transition from WM5 to WM6.1 or from WM6.1 to WM6.5. In those cases, the hardware was the same and the only thing changing was the OS, the software. Now, MS required specific hardware in order to have this new OS working (like the 3-button layout, specific camera attributes etc.).
I believe that it may be partly ported to older devices as well, but with severe limitations (e.g. camera not working, networking problems etc), more or less like the Android port to WM devices...
So I believe that we will not see the WM7 in our HDs... and it may be better this way.

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NO, never going to happen. The Blackstone can't run it. I wish it could too but all you have to do is read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649909 to find out why not..

what is the pasymist

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what is the pasymist
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It's not pessimism, it's a fact. Sorry.

Hi all, i'm new in blackstone section Few months just reading hole the forum, and think it's great.
About WM7 i think that Microsoft make so radical changes because of end users. It's true that till that WM OS where too difficult for end users.
Easier OS -> many stupid clients-> More money
Don't you think?

dilqnski said:
Easier OS -> many stupid clients-> More money
Don't you think?
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Yes, I do
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Lolz
MS and HTC will force those who wants WM7 to purchase a new hadnset.
No commercial benefits for HTC to provide WM7 upgrade for existing WM6.1/6.5/6.5.x handsets.
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Honestly I like WM6.5.x anyway so im thinking of keeping my TOUCH HD and storing up a HD2.
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By the way porting WM7 to HD2 would be like porting Androids to TOUCH HD and HD2. Not everything will work. More like proving a point that these devices could run it but not to the full potential.
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[Q] Can HD2 run Android Apps(on WM 6.5)

Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO

I believe there was originally an Android emulator running on WM, but it was slooooooooow!!! There's a whole slew of reasons as to why an Android emulator won't run well on WM, memory being the obvious main one. That's why Android ports were developed to run off the SD card, first dumping Windows from the memory and then running Linux.
Depending on your development experience, you may want to look into programming for Android anyway, if that's where your interest lies. If you've done anything like C# (or other .Net based language like VB.Net) then it's not that big a leap. If you've already done Java development then it's really not a problem - you just need to learn the Android SDK.
If you are intersted, have a look at the following tutorial...
http://www.vogella.de/articles/Android/article.html
It's a great starting point for Android development. It walks you through setting up the dev environment and then a few simple apps to get you going. Any OO experience you have will definitely help. (It may actually prove difficult without it - I can't say for sure.)
Hope this helps

themegastar1 said:
Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO
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I just did a search on your question. And from all the sites i've seen they all come up with the same answer: "no"
The two systems are too far apart from each other to be able to 'port' or emulate it apparently.
At least, this is what i found. Maybe some others might have more luck.

Problem still Not Resolved.
I read both of Your Comments, but still problem is not resolved. johncmolyneux you have told me that there is an emulator(Slow ones), can u tell me the name of that emulator? And I don't want to install android. I have given thanks to you both, but still My problem is not resolved. I need a way to run android apps on wm 6.5.

themegastar1 said:
I read both of Your Comments, but still problem is not resolved. johncmolyneux you have told me that there is an emulator(Slow ones), can u tell me the name of that emulator? And I don't want to install android. I have given thanks to you both, but still My problem is not resolved. I need a way to run android apps on wm 6.5.
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It was about 8-9 months ago so no, I'm afraid don't know the name, but it was on xda so you can search the forum for it.
Let me put it clearly though. The emulator was so slow that it was immediately dropped and no-one ever used it. It's basically Windows, running a Linux emulator, running Android. It was terrible and unusable.
Why is it imperative that you run Android apps on WM? If you explain then maybe we can understand more and hopefully offer more constructive help.

Why I want to run Android Apps on WM.
The Reason for this is- I need Google Goggles for my HD2 and some other apps too. But Windows Mobile Technology is Better, Easy to Use and Expensive. And HTC offers HTC Sense along with HD2 which makes it more easy to use and attractive too. These all things are not possible by using Android. But Android has a big App Marketplace. This is the reason why I want to run android apps in WM.

Okay, I'll make it very clear then. You will not get this. The only solutions available are to find a version of google goggles on WM (not likely), or to run Android on your phone.
You can run it from the SD card, but it does mean a restart every time you want to switch from WM to Android and then back again.
Also, there are many Android builds available that include HTC Sense. There's some very nice Desire HD builds out there.
Sorry to give bad news, but you are not going to get what you're asking for.

OK! Necessity leads to invention!
Ya, but still, IF I make something then the problem will be resolved. I'm thinking to make Android Emulator in this Summer(May-June 2011). If I made it, then it will be good for all WM users, so nobody will switch to Android to get all apps. Anyway, johncmolyneux thanks for your efforts. By the way, Which Phone you are using. And with which OS(WM/Android/Bada/Ubuntu/S40/S60/Symbian 3rd Edition or any other) you are using? Necessity leads to invention!
Regards
Arun Wadhwa
Themegastar1 Owner
Please give me THANKS!!!!!

Well good luck with that mate - I think you'll need it
I'm using a Nexus One Gingerbread ROM at the minute. It's fast and stable - everything works just like a native Android device!

You do realize that you can boot into Android from Windows mobile on your hd2. That way you have winmo still on your phone, and when you need to use Android, you can use haret.exe to boot into an Android build running from the SD card. You have to restart the phone to get back into Windows mobile, but that only takes a minute or 2. And it only takes a minute to boot into Android. This way you can run both OS's on your hd2.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

themegastar1 said:
Ya, but still, IF I make something then the problem will be resolved. I'm thinking to make Android Emulator in this Summer(May-June 2011). If I made it, then it will be good for all WM users, so nobody will switch to Android to get all apps.
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Excelent example of high achievment goal.
So what you need?
Remapping all Android API to WM API with necessary additional functionality, so running whole Android emulator will be not necessary. This will save memory and gain some speed.
Similar to already known solutions on Linux platform which can run Windows applications on several platforms like winehq.org.
How much effort will be necessary?
Depends on which applications area that has to be covered.
Depends on knowledges about both operating systems.
Depends on accessibility to source code of the system and the applications which supposed to run with this framework.
Is summer vacations enough?
Future will reveal, but if you really are genius, please turn to good side
So this project will be definitely something which people will pay for, those who has WM favorites programs and are not willing to change the whole system to run some new.
Anyway aplications will be maybe running, but most of them will miss the stability and advantages of the Android operating system.

pedroxxx said:
Excelent example of high achievment goal.
So what you need?
Remapping all Android API to WM API with necessary additional functionality, so running whole Android emulator will be not necessary. This will save memory and gain some speed.
Similar to already known solutions on Linux platform which can run Windows applications on several platforms like winehq.org.
How much effort will be necessary?
Depends on which applications area that has to be covered.
Depends on knowledges about both operating systems.
Depends on accessibility to source code of the system and the applications which supposed to run with this framework.
Is summer vacations enough?
Future will reveal, but if you really are genius, please turn to good side
So this project will be definitely something which people will pay for, those who has WM favorites programs and are not willing to change the whole system to run some new.
Anyway aplications will be maybe running, but most of them will miss the stability and advantages of the Android operating system.
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I think I got some of the Ideas, I have to Create a platform build on Windows Mobile with the help of WM API, it will require Android SDK too. If I will create an app that has the compatibility of Android, I could name it as Emulator. Means just another platform running on a OS.

i would donate for this...
work hard guys..gudluck!

[Q] WP7 Update, possible on HD2?

Soon there will be an update released by Microsoft, which will add several features.
Will my HD2 (Live activated) be able to get that update directly, or is a new Rom necessary?

definitely won't be done directly

next to that
You are aware of the fact that when that update will be released, that your phone won't have the oppertunity to use Chevrons unlock software anymore.

KrewsialNL said:
You are aware of the fact that when that update will be released, that your phone won't have the oppertunity to use Chevrons unlock software anymore.
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I am aware, it is not such a big deal for me. The update will add Copy/Paste which is a more important future.
After the activation my HD2 is registered as an HD7. The update will be released by microsoft via a pop-up. But this will "brick" my WP7?

I think when the phone is live enabled it won't be a problem that chevron will not work anymore. The apps are installed from the marketplace and no side apps.
I would also be interested what happens when the update arrives.

You get a notification for the Update, but Updates are installed from a PC same as with WM6.5 or Iphone.
So I guess we will have to wait for a dump and new Installer from DFT. I hope the Activation keys will stay valid with the Update.
I'm really looking forward to faster app starts. Starting and resuming of 3rd party apps is way slow.

Why are you so sure that the update won't work directly? In fact the HD2 has virtually the same hardware as all currently available WP7 phones in terms of CPU, GPU, screen resolution etc. The update will come directly from MS so it is unlikely that there will be an IMEI check, new drivers and only OS changes. I don't really see a problem with the update if it doesn't go back to the bootloader but I'm pretty sure it won't go so far because MS are not going to mess around with the different bootloaders from HTC, Samsung, LG and Dell. Also bear in mind that the update MUST work with all OEM software and the operator bloatware
I wonder if the update will be mandatory and if MS will shut down access to Live if you don't update!

update probably means "new Rom"... and just like with wm6.5 will have to be flashed over your current rom, possibly they will add a backup function beforehand. so only question is whether or not DFT comes with a RUU equivalent of their DFI.exe so you can flash your own customized roms through magldr. remember there have probably been quite a few changes in this LEO70 rom like hardware key mappings etc. those do pose some difficulties in 'updating' your htc hd2 running wp7 as quite some things are incompatible with regular wp7 roms.

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why should it?
i think the upcoming update wont be a problem for the hd2 users but just wait and see what happens

i think we don't need chevron.exe any more , we can dumb the update , edit reg edit to be hd7 ,and after that make the rom to be compitable with hd2 , that is all . chevron.exe is only needed for us to fake hd2 reg to be hd7 , we can do this reg edit to the rom dumb before inistalling it to the device , am i right

leeuwtjevanjuda said:
I am aware, it is not such a big deal for me. The update will add Copy/Paste which is a more important future.
After the activation my HD2 is registered as an HD7. The update will be released by microsoft via a pop-up. But this will "brick" my WP7?
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The software we have, it altered so it can run on our devices. (hardware buttons? anyone?) Any update can seriously mess that up of course
Though I don't know how they are going to push the update, we can't be sure of course.

WP7 updates are notified to the device via a toast notification. They are installed to the device via Zune i.e. the phone has to be plugged in to the computer.
If you check in Settings, it clearly says this. Or at least my (real) HD7 says that.

TheOnly1 said:
Why are you so sure that the update won't work directly? In fact the HD2 has virtually the same hardware as all currently available WP7 phones in terms of CPU, GPU, screen resolution etc. The update will come directly from MS so it is unlikely that there will be an IMEI check, new drivers and only OS changes. I don't really see a problem with the update if it doesn't go back to the bootloader but I'm pretty sure it won't go so far because MS are not going to mess around with the different bootloaders from HTC, Samsung, LG and Dell. Also bear in mind that the update MUST work with all OEM software and the operator bloatware
I wonder if the update will be mandatory and if MS will shut down access to Live if you don't update!
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Except the hardware buttons! Remember the whole debacle about having the standard 3 buttons? An update coming directly from MS is not going to work. Period.
This is the bigger issue:
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2...jailbreak-disabled-by-windows-phone-7-update/
Updating OS's is the least of our worries. Changing the device name to gain access to the marketplace will be the bigger issue.
I'm sure the dev's will figure something out.

only thing i think we should know is if the keys will still work if we update via MS.

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I wonder if the update will be mandatory and if MS will shut down access to Live if you don't update!
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I can tell you from a fact and as an owner of an ZuneHD media player since it came as well as owning the first generation fat 32 gig brown Zune media player that they don't force any of the updates on you. Seeing how WP7 depends on Zune software it might be the same story when it comes to updates but don't quote of me on that

^ On the contrary Microsoft always forces updates! Take the Xbox Live for example. To play certain games its compulsary for you to update! To sign on to XBL from the XBox 360, its compulsary to update else access to Marketplace is blocked.
So Im pretty sure Microsoft would block access to Marketplace until we update. But lets just hope thats not the case

DennisCSUF said:
I can tell you from a fact and as an owner of an ZuneHD media player since it came as well as owning the first generation fat 32 gig brown Zune media player that they don't force any of the updates on you. Seeing how WP7 depends on Zune software it might be the same story when it comes to updates but don't quote of me on that
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That's kind of reassuring. I would love to install the update on my HD2, but I don't want to be the first to try it - not after the issues getting chevron to work reliably, i don't really want to start flashing WP7 again from scratch, i don't really want to go back to android on my hd2 either.
I suspect the update will be like the iphone ones, a smallish patch on top of the OS, and so potentially do-able on a HD2. Also, the iphone doesn't lock you out of the app store after an update, but slowly certain apps will be updated and ONLY work on the new updated OS. I think this is how WP7 will go.

No more Chevron means no more going back and forth between WP7 and Android.
I think I'm happy enough with WP7 to say goodbye to Android.
I just wish they'd fix this battery drain issue. I was getting double the life in Android.

mystik610 said:
Except the hardware buttons! Remember the whole debacle about having the standard 3 buttons? An update coming directly from MS is not going to work. Period.
This is the bigger issue:
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2...jailbreak-disabled-by-windows-phone-7-update/
Updating OS's is the least of our worries. Changing the device name to gain access to the marketplace will be the bigger issue.
I'm sure the dev's will figure something out.
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i think we don't need chevron.exe any more , we can dumb the update , edit reg edit to be hd7 ,and after that make the rom to be compitable with hd2 , that is all . chevron.exe is only needed for us to fake hd2 reg to be hd7 , we can do this reg edit to the rom dumb before inistalling it to the device like we used to do on coocking wm6.5 roms edit its registery on computer before inistalling it ( it was edited before to be namd after leo oo7 ), am i right

hoss_n2 said:
we can do this reg edit to the rom dumb before inistalling it to the device like we used to do on coocking wm6.5 roms edit its registery on computer before inistalling it , am i right
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I hope so, that would be great.