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Dutch news: Nexus 2.2 Friday 11/6:s

Why is the Dutch news say that the Nexus will be available in Netherland with Android 2.2 on friday 11/06
here is the link, translated to Eng.
http://translate.google.com/transla...elefoon-vrijdag-in-nederland.html&sl=nl&tl=en
Is the update coming Friday?

commodoor said:
Why is the Dutch news say that the Nexus will be available in Netherland with Android 2.2 on friday 11/07
here is the link, translated to Eng.
http://translate.google.com/transla...elefoon-vrijdag-in-nederland.html&sl=nl&tl=en
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Hopefully so! Don't you mean 11/06?

It's clearly just a mistake on the reporters behalf.

mariolopezjr said:
Hopefully so! Don't you mean 11/06?
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Lol, you are absolutly right. i was just to happy

commodoor said:
Why is the Dutch news say that the Nexus will be available in Netherland with Android 2.2 on friday 11/06
here is the link, translated to Eng.
http://translate.google.com/transla...elefoon-vrijdag-in-nederland.html&sl=nl&tl=en
Is the update coming Friday?
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In Italy we have had problems with vodafone (i purchased my nexus one in USA ).
First problem, inside the box they replaced the original headset wich has the music control, with a motorola one. Now after a lot of protests they agreed to sent to all who purchased the phone the HTC headset.
Second, they are blocking the vocal search. I don't know what's the problem, but looks like they are blocking the vocal search because is recognized as VOIP traffic.
Anyway in Italy is sold with eclair and not Froyo.
Hope to see news tomorrow.

Doubt it.
More Froyo release date info....
ben1010 said:
Hi everyone,
I feel your anxiety, and though I'd love to give you all a definitive date, that's not possible, because there is no date. What I mean is, it's not that there's a Froyo release ready to go, and we're holding it back, or waiting for the right time to release it. That's not how it works. Software development is an iterative process, and each release candidate goes through extensive testing. Sometimes, the testing exposes issues introduced in the new version, and the release gets delayed as a result. And so, although we know that we are pretty close to having a final build, we won't be sure of the release date until it arrives, and at that point the release goes out to the public without any further delay. It's a bit like a baby -- the delivery date is a best guess, but if the baby has other ideas, we all have to wait ...
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http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=488da0ef21660d13&hl=en&start=493
Sucks to be right but if you didn't see this coming I don't know what to say.
Nothing to do now but sit back, relax and wait.
P.S. What we saw at the I/O wasn't really even that close to the final release candidate. They were just being overly optimistic and hurried to give Apple something to worry about. Can't blame them though.

They seriously got a date 6/23 for the desire to be upgraded. But not for the n1?
This is bull. The thread makes it sound like n1 will not be the first to get the official 2.2......
This is BS if this is true.

temperbad said:
They seriously got a date 6/23 for the desire to be upgraded. But not for the n1?
This is bull. The thread makes it sound like n1 will not be the first to get the official 2.2......
This is BS if this is true.
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I hope that is the case..you may be mad, but some of use like Desire 10x better than any standard N1 Rom, cyogen Roms. In fact, 2.1 N1 standard Rom is unusable IMO. If you don't have full Exchange support built into your mobile device, you are not a serious consideration for being purchased with huge numbers of people, particularly in the enterprise.
The interface, options/features of the Desire Rom for these apps like calendar etc...is way ahead of the standard Google stuff for N1.
Also, I have yet to find a way to add a standard POP3 account in 2.1 or 2.2??? Just Exchange and Gmail are the options..that is sad. Desire has this built in standard as well as IMAP.
Plus the interface is just slicker and refined in Desire IMO.
I thought talk was later in the year for Desire though?? Not in a few weeks?

techlogik said:
Also, I have yet to find a way to add a standard POP3 account in 2.1 or 2.2??? Just Exchange and Gmail are the options..that is sad. Desire has this built in standard as well as IMAP.
I thought talk was later in the year for Desire though?? Not in a few weeks?
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Email app --> Accounts --> Add Account --> Manual Set up. The options are POP3, IMAP and Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync. Seems pretty straight forward......
temperbad said:
They seriously got a date 6/23 for the desire to be upgraded. But not for the n1?
This is bull. The thread makes it sound like n1 will not be the first to get the official 2.2......
This is BS if this is true.
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I don't see how it could be with the comments here (6/9 by ben1010):
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=488da0ef21660d13&hl=en&start=493
If there's no final Froyo build then I don't see how it could be passed to HTC to throw sense into the mix. I also don't see HTC releasing an RC as their final build. I'd say the 6/23 date is speculation assuming they get a final build by X date.

temperbad said:
They seriously got a date 6/23 for the desire to be upgraded. But not for the n1?
This is bull. The thread makes it sound like n1 will not be the first to get the official 2.2......
This is BS if this is true.
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Google is having a hard time activating the hologram projector. Give them time.
Seriously though, I think MFG's are finally participating in the AOSP project, which is why the projected dates for other devices are so near and the nexus update isn't out yet. The AOSP code may not be out yet, but everybody in the OHA is privy to the code before anyone else. For example the Droid froyo builds that are out.
This is an awesome thing that all devices appear to be updated withing a similiar time frame. It pretty much means Android is being taken seriously.
Cyanogen needs to join the OHA. =D

Froyo for SGS in next few weeks?

Guys... please don't kill me!
I'm no good at news posts, and understand that this is probably fiction, but was more looking for confirmation or a better source if someone knows of one.
Here you go: http://www.blog.best-mobile-contrac...ash-and-froyo-arrives-for-i9000-galaxy-s.html
THe link states
As it so turns out, Samsung i9000 Galaxy S smart phone owners need to only wait “shortly” until the Froyo update gets released for the handset.While a specific date has yet to be delivered, earliest estimates place the update for a launch due by next week –or hopefully, earlier.
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So, we could have Froyo before the end of July?
crabby

While it would be nice to get it so early, I wouldn't hold me breath.

crabby09 said:
Guys... please don't kill me!
I'm no good at news posts, and understand that this is probably fiction, but was more looking for confirmation or a better source if someone knows of one.
Here you go: http://www.blog.best-mobile-contrac...ash-and-froyo-arrives-for-i9000-galaxy-s.html
THe link states
So, we could have Froyo before the end of July?
crabby
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Yeah. I wouldn't count on it brah.

Unlocked users also
Hello Guys,
I just ordered this phone unlocked. Since this is my first Samsung phone (I had an iPhone 3G) I am wondering if AT&T will push the update to me and since my phone was shipped from Hong Kong I would also like to know whether there is a download link from Samsung's site for patches and firmwares (official).
Side question; For those using an unlocked Galaxy S in the US, is there any 3G (data) issue you are noticing? how is performance and availability of 3G with 1900Mhz spectrum?

If your carrier doesnt push the update to you, you should be able to get it through Samsung Kies once its been released.

Well we can only hope for this to be real. Sure would be nice
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If Froyo for the SGS will pop up during the next 10 days as this article says it might, i'll eat my pants and post pics.
It's pretty impossible, considering samsung past with updates.

That's there flagship handset, nothing stop them to change the history.

Ummm.... Yes there is something that will stop them... It's called "Paperwork".

We'll see, would be nice tho, especially when it comes with some new drivers/updates to iron out the little bugs

Im thinking in this, we shouldn't forget about Samsungs tablet device, which seems like a big Samsung Galaxy S. The rumour there is that is going to come with FroYo 2.2 right from the off.
Makes sense to converge the software, so there is a very real possibility Samsung have been working on a FroYo release for a while.

d0p3d said:
We'll see, would be nice tho, especially when it comes with some new drivers/updates to iron out the little bugs
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As well as the hoofing great big ones

While they are at it, why not

While I doubt we will see Froyo in the next week or two it looks like they may have had some models at the Samsung launch even running Froyo. I noticed in Phonearena's preview of the Samsung Vibrant they tilted the phone to the right and it went into landscape. Unless something has changed I thought this was only possible with Froyo so maybe they are closer to releasing it then we think. I can't post a link to the video because I am new here but you can catch the rotation to the right at the 19 second mark.

landale said:
While I doubt we will see Froyo in the next week or two it looks like they may have had some models at the Samsung launch even running Froyo. I noticed in Phonearena's preview of the Samsung Vibrant they tilted the phone to the right and it went into landscape. Unless something has changed I thought this was only possible with Froyo so maybe they are closer to releasing it then we think. I can't post a link to the video because I am new here but you can catch the rotation to the right at the 19 second mark.
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Unfortunately you thought wrong... it is already possible, and more small reason for this phone's awesomeness

Tyxerakias said:
Unfortunately you thought wrong... it is already possible, and more small reason for this phone's awesomeness
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I didn't realize this was possible on Android 2.1 or is it just something Samsung added to the Galaxy S? If so I have to agree thats a pretty cool addon!

As much as I really wish it was true, looking at the track records, it is not very promising.

landale said:
I didn't realize this was possible on Android 2.1 or is it just something Samsung added to the Galaxy S? If so I have to agree thats a pretty cool addon!
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It is galaxy so specific.
Phone's great... But Froyo would be greater!
crabby

You people are wanting Froyo before most of us in the US can even buy the phone. I'm envious.

There was a demo video where the reporter was told that the demo he was holding was 2.2 but that it was not going to ship with it. This was the ATT Captivate version and I saw the article on one of the big tech blogs, but I can't remember which one. Anyone??? I remember reading the info and thinking why on earth do they have 2.2 on a demo device only.

Samsung Spain says Froyo update will be out at the end of October

Samsung Spain on their Facebook page has said that Froyo update will be through Kies at the end of October
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=161124793901551&id=108610811866

I think it's only for Spain. Other countries will getting end of September. That what I heard.

probably needs time to translate the ROM from English to Spanglish

Well, if what they currently have is remotely similar to the leaked JPH firmware, I bet that end of October sounds more reasonable as a release date. I don't think they are ready yet.

huxflux2003 said:
Well, if what they currently have is remotely similar to the leaked JPH firmware, I bet that end of October sounds more reasonable as a release date. I don't think they are ready yet.
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^ +1
If JPH is what they have at the begining of September, they still have much work to do. I'm not accepting a Froyo ROM that has bugs that were not present on Android 2.1 ROMs, it would be absurd.

for India too it has been postponed to October WTF!

This better be a great firmware that is fast enough... I mean delY after delay..i think the perception now is ... It better be good.
Having said that jph to me has been the greatest firmware so far... No problems..

Hey let them take the time if they can produce a better firmware.
A few people still report issues with it so why not.
I'm in no hurry. People are so impatient these days.

+1.
Better get a decent firmware 1 month later than get crap now and have them not evolve it anymore.
Of course, both worlds would be better. A free lunch either!
Paulo

hell yes, take all the time you need samsung (reasonably), dont give us crap.

Yeah, Samsung is staying true to tradition in either delaying all updates or not releasing at all. Very disappoint after they release such an awesome product.

In the earlier post i read that oct is date for india too. This is real bad news for indian sgs owners because i for one was waiting for sept last week release. I hope this piece of news is not true.
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JSAHITA said:
In the earlier post i read that oct is date for india too. This is real bad news for indian sgs owners because i for one was waiting for sept last week release. I hope this piece of news is not true.
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This news is true. I am just pissed off. Samsung is such a big company and it cant even iron out few obvious bugs. the great thing is that samsung has not even confirmed that they will fix the lag. They have not even accepted that their RFS is ****. If HTC and Motorola can release the good froyo builds in less time, then why not smasung? I dont think their touchwiz UI will take more time than HTC sense UI. Samsung just cares for money. They got the money, now they will concentrate on other new models.This is my last phone from samsung.

nickporwal said:
This news is true. I am just pissed off. Samsung is such a big company and it cant even iron out few obvious bugs. the great thing is that samsung has not even confirmed that they will fix the lag. They have not even accepted that their RFS is ****. If HTC and Motorola can release the good froyo builds in less time, then why not smasung? I dont think their touchwiz UI will take more time than HTC sense UI. Samsung just cares for money. They got the money, now they will concentrate on other new models.This is my last phone from samsung.
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Also my last samsung phone

HTC is also not God's gift to the cellphone world ... Not all HTC phones have froyo yet ( Legend and Wildfire for example) Here in the netherlands the Legend was released before the desire but still no update to froyo not even a date for the eventual update .. there was an ota update for the legend about 2 motns ago with lots of bugs .. No word from htc about that and even worse not even an update that fixes the problems .. The 2.2 update for the Desire also wasn't without problems .. What I am saying is : the grass is allways greener on the other side ..but when you take a closer look you will see the truth

GAda said:
Also my last samsung phone
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Fuccccckkkk samsung waited all this time for nothing!

nickporwal said:
This news is true. I am just pissed off. Samsung is such a big company and it cant even iron out few obvious bugs. the great thing is that samsung has not even confirmed that they will fix the lag. They have not even accepted that their RFS is ****. If HTC and Motorola can release the good froyo builds in less time, then why not smasung? I dont think their touchwiz UI will take more time than HTC sense UI. Samsung just cares for money. They got the money, now they will concentrate on other new models.This is my last phone from samsung.
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Also my last samsung phone
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what the hell you guys upset about? it's a good phone yes, it does what it needs to do yes, so you see there is no problem and it's only a figment of your imagination.
besides that I believe that Samsung outsources their coding jobs to third parties what would explain constant delays because outsourcing stuff always gives delays as you have little grip on the company you outsource it to.
so in the end it all makes sense and stop blaming Samsung for trying ;O

I'm looking forward to a stable update that might even bring some benefits.
But come on, grow some patience. If they did have a launch plan for late September and during testing decided it wasn't ready yet, well, so be it. Meanwhile the phone do what its supposed to do better then my old phone and with a gadget factor of 1000 more on top of that. CIV V will be out, the autumn TV-series are appearing and between that and working end of october will be here in no time...

at least HTC flagship device like Desire is not as problematic as ours. Do u see any premier device from any of the top companies has lagging problem like the Galaxy S? (and x10 )
if not because of this problem, i dont give a damn on froyo. i dont need flash, because I've used to iPhone for the whole 2009. Wireless tethering is already available in SGS' 2.1 rom.. i just need a smooth device for my daily use! and i spent MYR2600 to get this phone which equivalents to average fresh graduates salary in my country.

personally I'm not too bothered at the moment as with jm7 (can't be bothered to go to jm8 unless there is a very good reason to put the hours in again) and the voodoo fix along with autokiller set to strict my phone is very nice to use now and does everything I need it to anyway.
It is a little disappointing to have to wait even longer, but I'm absolutely not surprised as I said all along I think it'll be near xmas before we get a good solid froyo firmware with not too many bugs in; besides, I've got a feeling that this will be a big anti climax anyway... I certainly won't be expecting the huge link scores of the nexus one, but my device proves already it has the potential to run as fast anyway already.
Tbh I'd settle for the niggles being ironed out and am not too concerned yet for the os version; for the time being I'm more concerned on the end result.
I too though won't be buying another samsung device of any kind, not because of the froyo debacle, but because every samsung product I've bought has been sub par.

Time for some bad news

the samsung galaxy s our phones will not get updated till mid-April claims.
@samsungsuomi :Galaxy S:n Android 2.3 -päivityksen testausvaihe on loppumetreillään. Uusi ohjelmistoversio saapuu ladattavaksi huhtikuun puolivälissä
which translates to: Galaxy S Android 2.3 update to the testing phase is a late stage. The new version of the software download arrives in mid-April,
if these sources are correct Samsung owes us all a apology as they promised march we will be getting gingerbread
or by getting gingerbread they meant leaked ?

TechKidTarek said:
if these sources are correct Samsung owes us all a apology as they promised march we will be getting gingerbread
or by getting gingerbread they meant leaked ?
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An apology for what - all news we were receiving the past months were "unofficial sources" or rumours or "i know i guy who knows a guy who works at S", I never actually read anything official, e.g. on a samsung website.
Even though the news, which was "almost" official (samsung romania facebook), rejected an actual release date at the end of march.
Just stay relaxed, an update will come in a few hours / days / weeks / years
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ww

I don't know why people always think that they deserve an apology from Samsung or that they get bad software support. Does anybody here have a written (or otherwise) guarantee that Sammy is giving us GB at a specific time? I guess not...
I admit that the first Eclair ROMs were crap and the GPS could be better, but seriously stop the whining, it's like talking with little kids that want their candy! Just wait until it's done and if it takes two weeks longer to sort out some bugs, then so be it...

I agree....they should apologize for possibly not living up to "a friend of a friend said" rumors, or for changing their roadmap to suit the pronouncements off the cuff on the facebook page of a regional Samsung distributer in a small market?
Really?
Or because Tricky used what he felt could possibly be the final 2.3.3 (though from user reports if it IS final, to quote Ricky Ricardo, Samsung's got some 'splainin to do) to make a big entry into the ROM Kitchen team?
Somehow I don't think so. No apologies required, from anyone. Just patience.
To be honest, considering no source is released and there seem to be various problems/quirks with JVK, I would prefer they take a couple weeks and give us a much more ready for prime time version.
Relax, Gingerbread is coming...just be patient and enjoy your 2.2.1 Custom ROMs and be grateful again you aren't stuck with just a single flavor of iOS.

Since I'm a new user and I cant post links, I'm just going to quote. Finnish branch of Samsung has announced a press release a few hours ago through a publishing company:
Translated in Google Translate said:
Samsung Android-range success of the phone Galaxy S is updated Android 2.3. Update arrives in mid-April.
Soon Android successful Android phone is updated Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)-version of the software. The update is a welcome gift for the Galaxy S owners. Update the test phase is late stage, and the new OS version arrives users to download in mid-April.
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Google "epressi Samsung Galaxy S 2.3" for the article and translate it through Google Translate.
I'm wondering why the press release is not on Samsung's website.

VillePie said:
I'm wondering why the press release is not on Samsung's website.
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Until it IS on Samsung's website, or we see it in Korean, I would tend to take that with a grain of salt.

FFS...
You have Gingerbread now. It's stable and useable. This can't hold you over a few more weeks?
I swear people just like hearing themselves *****.

am now on 2.3.3
gingerbread!
why wine about waiting for kies just flash it ya self.

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am now on 2.3.3
gingerbread!
why wine about waiting for kies just flash it ya self.
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Maybe because it looks like JVK is not the final release version and still has some bugs?.
The thing with these web blogs and tech news pages is they all tend to get their "exclusive" news from the same sources which 9 out of 10 times are wrong. Case in point recent news quoting Samsung Mobile Facebook page which wasn't as it was the SamsungGalaxyS Facebook page which looked remarkably similar until you read the owner info. Something you would think they would check first really. Egg face say no more.

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FFS...
You have Gingerbread now. It's stable and useable. This can't hold you over a few more weeks?
I swear people just like hearing themselves *****.
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I can't see why people can't use their time anticipating the new release. It's not your time, obviously. Some people want to flash their phone with a safe, official firmware and want to know some ETA when it's going to happen. It's not like people are F5'ing every Android news site. Of course, this can hold but can't there be any speculation? It's up to XDA's moderators to decide, is this topic worth of discussing.
What comes to the first post, this is good news (if true) and in my opinion most reliable newsbit so far about Gingerbread. You shouldn't take it for granted that Samsung is liable to update its firmwares and "breaks promises" if doesn't. Operating as a company, Samsung's every firmware update is giving something to us, the customers. When people buy their phones, Samsung's is not liable to update firmwares if there's nothing critically wrong with it. Froyo is good but now we are on the road towards something even better. And it's a win-win situation to us.

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Maybe because it looks like JVK is not the final release version and still has some bugs?.
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you must have done somthing wrong then as I have no bugs at all been on it since saturday

I think even mid April is a tad optimistic. That's like 2 weeks.. and there's quite a bit left to fix and add. Together with the speed of which samsung works, I'm guessing May at the earliest.

frauhottelmann said:
I don't know why people always think that they deserve an apology from Samsung or that they get bad software support. Does anybody here have a written (or otherwise) guarantee that Sammy is giving us GB at a specific time? I guess not...
I admit that the first Eclair ROMs were crap and the GPS could be better, but seriously stop the whining, it's like talking with little kids that want their candy! Just wait until it's done and if it takes two weeks longer to sort out some bugs, then so be it...
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Samsung dont owe you anything. They provide roms where others stopped. Sit back and wait for the final...
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Android 2.4

getting tired of hearing about froyo and gingerbread all the time hee hee, so any ideas on what the next version will be like?

One step at a time.

Getting a bit eager aren't you?
We've only just got gingerbread, and it still needs some fine tuning by the sounds of it (I'm on JVK at the moment).
Regardless, as far as I know, 2.4 is going to be merging alot of the honeycomb features into the phone ui. Beyond that, we're really just going to be speculating.

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getting tired of hearing about froyo and gingerbread all the time hee hee, so any ideas on what the next version will be like?
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I don't think that's going to happen. It has been a super fast updating cycle 2.1 -> 2.2 -> 2.2.1 -> 2.3.3, so I think it going to stagnate now for SGS and only bugfix releases will come to our phone.
I'm glad that we have some home made roms to choose that will continue to improve. Because Samsung will not fix bugs as fast as our beloved rom-makers for our SGS.

yea i know thought id just go off topic a bit probably wont be out till next year/end of this year

Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
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ww

forget 2.4, I want 2.5 !

jscnz81 said:
getting tired of hearing about froyo and gingerbread all the time hee hee, so any ideas on what the next version will be like?
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As you all know that 2.3.3 GingerBread has lot of bugs and still all the phone Manufacturers like HTC, Samsung ,Sony Ericssion, Motorola...etc are facing issue with the Gingerbread version. Its Perfomance is not as expected.
Google is working with the phone Manufacturers to provide best solution.
May be Google will come up with Gingerbread 2.3.4 or it be 2.4 even.
As in Froyo 2.2 was the original version Released. But later lot of bugs was fixed & it was updated to 2.2.1 & 2.2.2... May be same comming up with GingerBread

I'd be surprised if the sgs saw another version of Android, not including light updates.

-Liam- said:
I'd be surprised if the sgs saw another version of Android, not including light updates.
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Probability is Ice cream is the next update .
jje

You think they will configure it for the sgs as well as the sgs2?

More than likely but its in the future and could be hardware dependant .
jje

From what I've heard:
IceCream will be a total iPhone Killer, faster than Flash himself it will do things when you think about it, without user even inputing anything.
But google is facing massive issue and are trying to disable this feature or put some kind of filter because when the user gets drunk, the phones starts dialing the number of his/her ex at 03 in the morning and it cause massiv traffic on porn website mostly when used on male users.
Also, it is supposed to integrate a macro atom builder and provide a food delivery system. They are actually talking to many restaurater to beta test this feature and testing, as we speak, secret receipe in colaboration with McD so that you can order a Big Mac, pay it with your phone and, with a bluetooth enabled oven, create the atom and built it for you
It will also provide an interaction module that analyse your conversations and prevent you from saying conflicting sentences, so basicaly it will bring world to peace!
I can't wait to get my hands on it!

I want Ice Cream!
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t1mman said:
From what I've heard:
IceCream will be a total iPhone Killer, faster than Flash himself it will do things when you think about it, without user even inputing anything.
But google is facing massive issue and are trying to disable this feature or put some kind of filter because when the user gets drunk, the phones starts dialing the number of his/her ex at 03 in the morning and it cause massiv traffic on porn website mostly when used on male users.
Also, it is supposed to integrate a macro atom builder and provide a food delivery system. They are actually talking to many restaurater to beta test this feature and testing, as we speak, secret receipe in colaboration with McD so that you can order a Big Mac, pay it with your phone and, with a bluetooth enabled oven, create the atom and built it for you
It will also provide an interaction module that analyse your conversations and prevent you from saying conflicting sentences, so basicaly it will bring world to peace!
I can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Is it ext4 or rfs???????

If it will order me a Hooker and tug me off while i wait then I'm in!!!!

-Liam- said:
If it will order me a Hooker and tug me off while i wait then I'm in!!!!
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By the time your hooker arrives you won't recall what you needed her for.
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She can always make me some food

Well Andy said android versions will be released every 6 months so we should have the next one this summer
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