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Today I hit a milestone.........

502 apps installed in my HTC Hero.
The phone runs absolutely flawlessly. Everyday.
I'm filling it up to see if/when it falls over. Then when Android 2 is released I will format and only install the apps I really want.... (about 495 of them )
As you can see from my sig, you don't need a lot of space at all for apps, not sure how much I've used but I think I could add another couple of hundred apps yet.

So what is your favorite app(s)?

Hmmmmmmmmm, there's a question.....
Appmanager
Atrackdog
Geobeagle
Hyperspace
Xgalaga
A world of photo
What the Doodle!
Ethereal Dialpad
Magic Marker
Ball
Audio Manager
More Icons Widget
Floating Images
Keepscreen
Sportypal
To name a few!

Amdathlonuk said:
502 apps installed in my HTC Hero.
The phone runs absolutely flawlessly. Everyday.
I'm filling it up to see if/when it falls over. Then when Android 2 is released I will format and only install the apps I really want.... (about 495 of them )
As you can see from my sig, you don't need a lot of space at all for apps, not sure how much I've used but I think I could add another couple of hundred apps yet.
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You know that is cheating right? Using Apps2SD on a 32GB memorycard you probably can download way more than 700 apps... try doing that WITHOUT using Apps2SD...

Apps2SD force closes on me 24/7

How many apps can you get on a stock htc hero and what is the available user memory

Thiesen said:
You know that is cheating right? Using Apps2SD on a 32GB memorycard you probably can download way more than 700 apps... try doing that WITHOUT using Apps2SD...
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I'm not cheating, it's 'tweaking'.
I only have an 8Gb SD Card and only 700Mb is Ext3.
It's like having a car and playing eith the engine a little. Nothing wring with that.
I think with stock Rom, I would get around 200 apps, however it does actually depend on the app size ultimately.

Ok thanks what is the internal memory available on a stock rom like the g1 has 74mb

M..N said:
Ok thanks what is the internal memory available on a stock rom like the g1 has 74mb
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Stock memory is around 170Mb but the Hero runs a lot different to the G1.
It seems to keep the same speed no matter how full it is.
However my G1 used to slow terribly once it started to get fully loaded.

can you check the total size of your /data/app folder, and divide that by the number of files in it?
for example:
Code:
adb shell du -hs /data/app/
123.8M /data/app/
adb shell ls -1 /data/app/ | wc -l
124

Data/app is:
342 Mb
507 files.
Interestingly, all of the protected apps are .zips in the folder.......

after rooting and moving all apps to sd why internal memory only 80 mb left

hey guys
I know that this has been asked many times, but what am I missing here, I rooted my play, moved all the apps via titanium to my sd card and I am left with only 80 mb.
I have about 240 apps installed
the biggest apps are 10 of gameloft games and IGO
1- what can I delete to increase internal memory
2- another question when I download apps from the market do apks get stored in the internal memory.
I am really confused about whats the use of moving to sd card if I will only have about 80 mb left in the internal memory.
This means I should start deleting apps, what a bummber as there are many more apps I wanna install

Try clearing caches.
After root I use an app called cache mate for root users.
It freed up a good 40mb for me on its 1st run.

i already did use cache mate
any other suggestions please?

Every app that you install left something on the internal mem, to use stuff like widgets etc, so if you cant live with 80mb (my nexus one is always with around 20mb) you will have to uninstall some of the apps, specially the ones that cant be moved to the SD...

The problem is that there is only one app that is left in the internal memory now and still only 80 mg.
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hykhleif said:
The problem is that there is only one app that is left in the internal memory now and still only 80 mg.
Sent from my R800i using XDA Premium App
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well, perhpads i was not clear enough on my previous post...
no matter if you move all apps to SD, still, each app left a piece of it on the internal mem, if you have 240 apps, and each of them leaves 1mb, then you have 240mb used...
If you want some free mem, the best choice will be to get rid of some of the 240 apps, normally i dont use more than 10 and a couple of games...check what you have installed, probably half of them are junk...

This is what happens when you get a new device & download the world!

DeadlyDazza said:
This is what happens when you get a new device & download the world!
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exactly!! like i said probably half are junk

Memory optimisation tweaks? How to get more free RAM?

Any useful tweaks or settings which I could use? There is many appn on the market and they allow to tweak internal memory management but I have no idea what settings to use.
No matter which I try, my phone always seem to stick to ~100MB RAM Free. Why so much? I'd prefer ~50MB RAM Free and more apps running without closing.

schriss said:
Any useful tweaks or settings which I could use? There is many appn on the market and they allow to tweak internal memory management but I have no idea what settings to use.
No matter which I try, my phone always seem to stick to ~100MB RAM Free. Why so much? I'd prefer ~50MB RAM Free and more apps running without closing.
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you mean you want 100mb ram free but only have 50mb? you can check out a ram cleaner script. the link is in my signature called mods for virtuous unity. just download the zip file, back up your phone and superwipe, then flash your rom then ram cleaning script then reboot and your done

Actually it was the other way around, I always had 100 MB free and my apps have been closed often. I played with one of the tools to tweak internal memory manager and now my free RAM goes down to 60 and apps stay in memory, this is what I wanted. FireFox Nightly takes a lot on its own...
Will play with settings some more before posting them here.
Only app and root needed, no scripts or Rom flashing.
I'm runing CoreDroid port, I love its theme.

My opinion is if what you perceive as a lack of available memory is not degrading the performance of your phone, including the apps which run on the phone, then it's a non-issue as the latest versions of Android have a much better handle on memory management than the older versions.

I agree but in my case system had 100MB RAM free but when I launched another app it would close other app and system would still have 100 MB RAM Free. So imagine me opening media player and listening to mp3 and then I launch Firefox and music stops, yet there is still 100 MB RAM Free.
I have changed settings and it's better now, Free RAM drops down to 60MB so I can have more apps running.
Previously, Firefox would close whenever I switched out of it, annoying.

How to re- claim internal storage space from failed installs or uninstalled apps!

Have you recently uninstalled an app to find that that either no storage space has been freed or worse, more has been taken up or you have attempted to install an app, it did not work but it appears to have taken up storage space? Read on...
Oh yeah, and you will need root... but your on XDA so,
Recently I got a nasty surprise when I attempted to install Dolphin Engine Beta .
I use Opera Mini, as this is incredibly lightweight and compresses data very well, meaning that it is not only good for less data consumption, but it is really speedy at loading web pages. 5* app for a HTC Dream, or any other low power phone.
Unfortunately, Opera Mini is obviously not too powerful, especially in the HTML5 area, as it scores just 63 (no bonus points) out of 500 at the time of writing.Chrome however, scores 371 + 11 out of 500, but I'm running CM6.1, Froyo. Looking down the list, There are no other web browsers that my phone can run other than Opera Mobile 12.00, but that's 13Mb -ish, and probably not too quick.
Then I looked at the "development or beta" section, and noticed Dolphin Engine Beta right at the top of the list with a whopping 450 + 3 points.
I researched it, and it was meant to be a quick browser, so I thought I might give it a go.
After repeatedly getting messages saying I did not have enough internal storage space, I tried again, and the install carried on for a bit longer...
Until the installing bar finished for the ultimate anticlimax of...
"Application not installed"
I thought, "grr, oh well, what was I thinking, I'm using a G1".
And then the ultimate horror!
You know that lovely message you get when you have around 9Mb of free space left....
Yeah. :crying:
I had began with around 18Mb (after I had uninstalled some crap I didn't need)
I now had between 8Mb and 9Mb.
I rebooted. Multiple times. Still had around 8Mb of internal storage left.
I had created no backup, and after looking under Settings>Apps>Manage Apps , /system/app and /data/app I was 100% certain that the app had in fact not installed, anywhere.
So where the hell was it, and how was it using up 9Mb of my phone's internal memory?
After some research, I cannot for the life of me remember exactly where, but somewhere, in an archived XDA thread, somebody had recommended an app called SD MAid
I thought "What the hell" and installed it on my phone. I was skeptical at first because it's called "SD Maid", so I assumed it meant SD card maid, for cleaning up your SD Card.
BUT NO
After opening the app and allowing superuser permissions, I had a peek in the "Corpse finder" tab....
Turns out I had a few dead bodies in my basement...
1 or 2 of them had a few words like "Dolphin" in them... I had hit the jackpot!
I then proceeded to select "clean all", and within a short space of time I had regained my internal storage space !!!
WOOOOHOOO!
So, if you need clarification or you skipped my hugely interesting story ....
1) Install SD MAid
2) Rate the app 5*
3) Open the app
4) Allow Superuser permissions
5) Select the "Corpse finder" tab at the top
6) Click "check"
7) Be patient (or is it just 'cause I'm using a HTC Dream? )
8) curse at the dead bodies and....
9) Give them a good clean.. select "Clean all"
10) See how the "yous is having no storage space" message disappear
11) Smile!
And of course....
I take absolutely NO credit for this app, it is NOT mine, just go to the Play Store and give it 5* for making you a happy bunny
Give the developer a :highfive:
Click the "Thanks" button for me if you really want, but... I am just a messenger for this app so be sure to thank the dev. of SD Maid first!

[Q] Removing bloatware

Using stock rooted ROM I wanted to remove some of the apps (most Google apps) that come with the ROM. For this purpose I use the Rom Toolbox lite app. I was able to remove the apps but everytime I go into the play store they show up as an update available.
Can anyone recommend a permanent solution to get rid of these apps that come pre-packed with the stock ROM ?

mjehan said:
Using stock rooted ROM I wanted to remove some of the apps (most Google apps) that come with the ROM. For this purpose I use the Rom Toolbox lite app. I was able to remove the apps but everytime I go into the play store they show up as an update available.
Can anyone recommend a permanent solution to get rid of these apps that come pre-packed with the stock ROM ?
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Use Titanium Backup to uninstall them, go to the system/apps folder and delete the APK, or you can just disable them in the Settings->Apps screen. Take your pick.

dont login to play store

kgeissler said:
Use Titanium Backup to uninstall them, go to the system/apps folder and delete the APK, or you can just disable them in the Settings->Apps screen. Take your pick.[/QUOTE
If your going to disable them in settings>app you have to uninstall any updates first then you can disable them. This feature was introduced in ICS.
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munchy_cool said:
dont login to play store
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why?
What Google apps are safe to remove without screwing up the phone (Google play music, magazine, one time init, partner setup, search, currents)

Don't delete Google apps because you won't be able to get ota updates
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BigDig said:
Don't delete Google apps because you won't be able to get ota updates
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Seriously? So we're stuck with the books, magazine and current crap?

texaslittleangel said:
Seriously? So we're stuck with the books, magazine and current crap?
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Yep! I deleted the bloatware as soon as got my N4 back in November, it was running 4.2 , when Google pushed 4.2.1 it wouldn't install so I had to flash back to stock 4.2 and lost all data and settings...
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If you disable them you're fine. If you remove them and they are updated within the ota, it will fail.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium

All you gotta do is either push them back or copy them back with root explorer.. That's what I had to do for the update..
Sent from my Nexus 4

I know I deleted books on Monday when I got my phone but I can't remember if the ota came in before or after the deletion. I froze them with TBP for the time being but they occupy precious memory space.

No they don't. Those apps are located in /system on a different partition.
It has no effect on the space available to the user under normal circumstances. Not normal would be a root user moving files into that partition instead of their normal location.
Example would be converting a app into a system app.

albundy2010 said:
No they don't. Those apps are located in /system on a different partition.
It has no effect on the space available to the user under normal circumstances. Not normal would be a root user moving files into that partition instead of their normal location.
Example would be converting a app into a system app.
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Please help me understand how this phone works in terms of space then. It is supposed to be 16GB right? We get the phone and it has 12GB only (I am assuming it is because 4GB is being occupied by the system/stock rom). I installed a few apps and I now only have about 7GB left. I downloaded the system analyzer app and it tells me that TB is occupying a hell of a lot more space (due to an initial back-up I performed of apps and data) than what it was occupying on my previous phone. How do I go about loosing between 5 -6 GB of space?!?
Before removing the update of the Googlea apps and disabling them, current was up to 50MB, magazine was higher, etc...
I really do want to learn more about my phone, how best use my storage, save battery etc.
TIA guys

The phones have 16gb of nand in them.
Many things eat away at the so called 16gb. From the mb to bytes way of counting storage ( like any other drive) to the things you mentioned
The phone has a bit under 900 mb set aside for the ROM. Then there is the other stuff like radio / recovery bootloader etc that take up space / have a partition
The extra space you see being used by the apps you mentioned is just data. Currents for example downloads the stuff that you sync so it can be read offline. Its stored locally and takes up space. Same basic idea for the other apps you mentioned.
Once you update a system app also have two of the apks on the phone. One in /system/app and the other in /data/app. So the updated apk itself takes up a bit of space.
Think of it in simple computer terms. You have one 100gb hard drive that is spilt up into two partitions that you cant change ( got to pretend you can't change them for this). 20gb c partition for windows and 80gb left over for whatever. No matter how much stuff you delete off the 20gb you're not going to gain space on the 80.
In our phones all the pre installed apps would be on the 20gb. Anything that gets downloaded/cached etc would go into the 80gb.
If you need space you can free up space by clearing the caches of apps. Getting the titanium backups off the phone and onto a computer or the cloud. Converting some apps to system apps can gain you a couple hundred mb since they wouldn't be on our make believe 80gb partition anymore. Their data and cache will still end up on your regular storage but the apks won't be there...

It's all a translational from marketing to what a computer sees.
In marketing, (and everywhere else I guess based on the mathematical prefixes) they assume:
1Kb = thousand bytes
1Mb = million bytes
1Gb = billion bytes
(kilo- = 10 to the 3rd power, mega- = 10^6, giga- = 10^9)
Whereas a computer sees:
1Kb = 1024 bytes
1Mb = 1048576 bytes
1Gb = 1073741824 bytes
Now the Nexus 4 is 16 Gb = 16 billion bytes.
16 billion divided by 1073741824 = 14.901 Gb
You say before you used TB you had 12 Gigs. With 14.9 of play space, assume your rom/etc is 2.9 Gigs. After backing that up in TB, assuming there is compression, let's say 9.3 Gigs are left.
idk what apps you installed but 2 gigs is easy to kill with games, apps, music, syncing contact photos, etc. (Not to mention caches)
Heck, I install 1 game it takes up 3 gigs.

Albundy, THNAKS a million for explaining this to me. GREAT info!!!
PcFish thank you for the breakdown. No games. I've got the Advanced Task Killer app that helps clean up the cache