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Did you hear about Sprint going to Throttle Data on EVO4g this summer?

I jsut read about this on engadget app. They said there was a clause in the new EVO4g contract stating that Sprint, at any time, may throttle data usuage. Meaning that they are going to cut it back or limit it somehow. That sounds like they following the AT&T route, to me.
I don't own an Evo yet, but my father has one. I was thinkn about switching back to Sprint. I haven't been with them in almmost 10yrs. They didn't have any unlimited plan back then. Anyways, lol, Sprint has good deals and unlimited plans now. I'm soo stuck on what I want to do. Either wait for Dell Streak on my current carrier, AT&T, or jump ship to Sprint and get the new EVO. My father loves the fact of being able to video chat thru Fring, which I put him on to. . Lol. He said it wrks great. So I'm at a crossroads of what I want to get. Then now sprint talkin bout cutting back data. Damn. I need unlimited, like I have now. I stay with carrier, I'm grandfathered in, as far as unlimited data goes. Even if I upgrade to the dell streak. I'm worried now that sprint gonna end their unlimited data. So I guess I better hurry in decide b4 the transition takes effect.
Juss some info, in case y'all haven't heard yet. If this is a repeat thread, Mods can delete, PLZ .
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demandarin said:
I jsut read about this on engadget app. They said there was a clause in the new EVO4g contract stating that Sprint, at any time, may throttle data usuage. Meaning that they are going to cut it back or limit it somehow. That sounds like they following the AT&T route, to me.
I don't own an Evo yet, but my father has one. I was thinkn about switching back to Sprint. I haven't been with them in almmost 10yrs. They didn't have any unlimited plan back then. Anyways, lol, Sprint has good deals and unlimited plans now. I'm soo stuck on what I want to do. Either wait for Dell Streak on my current carrier, AT&T, or jump ship to Sprint and get the new EVO. My father loves the fact of being able to video chat thru Fring, which I put him on to. . Lol. He said it wrks great. So I'm at a crossroads of what I want to get. Then now sprint talkin bout cutting back data. Damn. I need unlimited, like I have now. I stay with carrier, I'm grandfathered in, as far as unlimited data goes. Even if I upgrade to the dell streak. I'm worried now that sprint gonna end their unlimited data. So I guess I better hurry in decide b4 the transition takes effect.
Juss some info, in case y'all haven't heard yet. If this is a repeat thread, Mods can delete, PLZ .
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That is all rumor, the picture isnt even the entire article. The terms and conditions already have data throttling in it, it says anything over 5GB would be throttled on any mifi/modem/phone as modem plans. NOTHING about the EVO 4g being throttled, other than the Engadget article gear twards it.
According to the Terms and Conditions online they already have it in there that they can limit any phone as modem data > 5GB a month. It also says that they CAN AND WILL change any plan data/service/ anything at any time, but scrolling down further says that if any change adversely affects you, you may call in and cancel without ETF's within 30 days of notice.

Right now, you really can't beat the EVO in terms of features.
As far as cost goes, I would say it is on par with most of the other carriers, give or take 10 dollars/mo.
I guess it really boils down to how good of service you are getting.
I just switched over from Tmo after 10 years, I think they were resting on their laurels. I don't have one bad thing to say about Tmo though. But I really had to have the EVO and it was worth the $10 dollars a month "Premium". After all is said and done, its about the same price as my G1 in terms of contract costs.
One bonus is that I will probably be able to drop my Brighthouse cable in a few month when 4G hits this area. I know there is rumors about a Cap, but I was told it was unlimited and that was the whole point of the extra 10 dollars month.
My Tmo plan was $89.99 for Unlimited Everything and My current Sprint Plan is $69.99 + $10 Premium (Only 450 Minutes to Landlines). Its a little awkward, but realistically, it works out for me. And If I find the real need for more landlines minutes, then it will just put me back on par with Tmo.
I just hope their service has improved from times past. I know Sprint and Nextel get no love around these parts (Tampa, FL).

I jsut read about this on engadget app. They said there was a clause in the new EVO4g contract stating that Sprint, at any time, may throttle data us
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That is all rumor, the picture isnt even the entire article. The terms and conditions already have data throttling in it, it says anything over 5GB would be throttled on any mifi/modem/phone as modem plans. NOTHING about the EVO 4g being throttled, other than the Engadget article gear twards it.
According to the Terms and Conditions online they already have it in there that they can limit any phone as modem data > 5GB a month. It also says that they CAN AND WILL change any plan data/service/ anything at any time, but scrolling down further says that if any change adversely affects you, you may call in and cancel without ETF's within 30 days of notice.
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Thnkx for clearing that up. Now I know the details. I have a feelin ima be jumping ship soon. Iphone4 is cool but not cooler thn Evo. ;-) I now need 4 in. Or betta..lmao.
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Brutal-Force said:
I just hope their service has improved from times past. I know Sprint and Nextel get no love around these parts (Tampa, FL).
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I'm in Tampa and I am mostly in the Brandon, Plant City, and Temple terrace areas and I can tell you I am loving sprint. I switched from TMO with my Nexus One. I had decent 3g with TMO but not everywhere and when I did have 3g average was getting 500 - 600kbps on average and never above 1100kbps. Well since switching to sprint not once have I dropped 3g and I average 800 to 1100kbps and occasionally I will hit 2200 - 2400kbps. From my experience Sprint 3g is a lot faster than TMO and much better signal in the area.

Throttling is better than overage charging. I'd be really surprised if their limit is the same as AT&T's before overages (2GB). I'm holding out hope that they'll stick to 5GB.
Also, I bet the throttling cap is either higher on 4G or non-existent.

I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.

ap3604 said:
I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.
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i totally agree with you!

jrdejavux said:
i totally agree with you!
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But I did sign up for unlimited... Though I do agree with sprints throttling, only if it starts at 5gb+ for 3g and they remove the overage charges for 5gb+

mrono said:
But I did sign up for unlimited... Though I do agree with sprints throttling, only if it starts at 5gb+ for 3g and they remove the overage charges for 5gb+
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Engadget updated the article and its only regarding business accounts where the businesses want to slow down excessive use on their employees

jrdejavux said:
ap3604 said:
I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.
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i totally agree with you!
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It's true what they say... great mind's think alike

robstunner said:
Engadget updated the article and its only regarding business accounts where the businesses want to slow down excessive use on their employees
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God I hate Engadget

They had better have a ....accurate display for the data measurer. Maybe new phones will having a shocking synaptic feedback. .. the more data, the more voltage..

willy900wonka said:
They had better have a ....accurate display for the data measurer. Maybe new phones will having a shocking synaptic feedback. .. the more data, the more voltage..
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But think of the battery life! i don't want to it already hurts so bad, and it'll hurt 2x if i got shocked and because of that battery life took a dive

Yep re-read their article about it. I hands down owned them in their speculation and they then updated their article. Engadget blows.

rutter9 said:
Yep re-read their article about it. I hands down owned them in their speculation and they then updated their article. Engadget blows.
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remind me to not trust anything engadget says anymore, they have had more and more false posts lately

All Engadget did was post a REAL picture with REAL clauses from the Sprint service agreement. All the hoopla was caused by tools who think with their emotions instead of their brains. *cough*

Sorry...but stupid opinion
You either offer unlimited and honor it or like ATT cap it. It is a rip off when you label it "unlimited" and then throttle it.
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I applaud carriers that protect their non-abusive customers from the abusive ones that download torrent's/youtube/pandora 24-7.
I couldn't imagine how bad the network might get if Sprint did not do this and everyone could then replace their home WiFi internet with the mobile hotspot feature. 5gb is more than enough for any customer out there. The one's that cry "but...but...but... we signed up for unlimited! Waaahhh!!!" are the ones abusing the system.
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Personally, I would much prefer to have my data speed throttled (after reaching the 5gb cap) than to be charged extra to go over it. Perhaps have this as a choice, though, for those who need the extra speed? Seems like a much better option to me rather than only having 2GB and getting charged twice as much to go over it (even slightly).

paximos said:
You either offer unlimited and honor it or like ATT cap it. It is a rip off when you label it "unlimited" and then throttle it.
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Um, every cellular carrier in the US caps their data usage. Ever since the inclusion of unlimited data plans, they've all been capped at 5GB/month, up until AT&T decided it would be "smarter" to lower the cap to 2GB (while barely lowering prices - half the usage should be HALF THE PRICE, MORONS).
They use the term "unlimited" as a PR term, not a literal one. When was the last time you hit 5GB on a cell phone? You really have to work at it, or try to replace your home internet service with it. It's practically unlimited, because it's such a hard gate to hit.
It's like Boost Mobile claiming to have unlimited web; sure, it's unlimited, but good luck using it.

Throttled...

me no likey, especially being a leo user since April that was forced to sign an "unlimited" data plan...
unlimited to 5g...lol.

Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.

hardly spazzing out, just a bit peeved that the answer to lack of towers is to alter the service I am paying for and deserve.
rightly so per my contract...
maybe allow previous contracts expire that were signed before the throttling?
nah, for my $300 phone, and mandatory $30 month plan I deserve to be punished for assuming that the netty netzorz would be "unlimited".
it's not as if I want a red ferrari or one night with Angelina Jolie er nuthin'.
(this phone sees more net tham my p.c. btw)
tmo since 2005.

ashasaur said:
Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
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actually that's Tmo's answer to the problem instead of erecting more towers and honoring the contract I signed back in April...
"Sir, it's your fault we're too cheap to erect more towers, use less internet plz."
you missed your calling as a tmo phone jockey!

Agreed, we signed for a specific amount on our data plans. Now I hear I'm going to have half the data limit I signed for.
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Your data is still unlimited, you'll just be throttled to a slower speed once you exceed 5gb. So likely no different to the unlimited data you had before 3g was in existence.
I still think TMO's tiering/caping is the most reasonable in the industry. At least they aren't flat out cutting you off or hitting you up to pay for another 2gb bucket like other carriers. Though maybe an option to pay up to lift the cap would be a nice option for heavy users, but that might go down the slippery slope of them going that route and being like ATT rather than the throttling they are doing now
What would actually be nice is if they didnt just flat out throttle you at 5gb but throttle you with bursting ability. that way loading the quick email or light web page will still be snappy, but if you attempt any streaming or large downloads then you get throttled down.
What im curious about that hasn't been covered much is exactly what speed do you get throttled down to? do you still get 3g coverage, just throttled. or does the throttling turn off your ability yo use the 3g signals, leaving you stuck with edge coverage?
I may just have to test it out this billing cycle, and do some very large downloads the last couple days of my billing cycle and try to hit 5gb a couple days before my cycle resets and see just how bad it gets.

Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...

kidrythm said:
Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed

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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.

kidrythm said:
I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?

crisisinthecity said:
But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.

kidrythm said:
Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.

crisisinthecity said:
Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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crisisinthecity said:
Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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I recieved a text 3 days ago.
I browse the net, and post regularly on quite a few forums. The only thing I can think of that kills it is downloading the themes etc. from forums directly to the phone.
I checked my account and it reads 0 due to that pesky unlimited data plan, and tmo has no way of compiling my total usage into a nice round #. All they see on their system is my entire usage broken down into individual "visits" to the network. Yeah, I almost insisted that she break out the calcuator and get to addin'!
Like I said, they seem a bit out of their element having just launched this new system.
Not one rep could offer anything more than an apology for not having more info when I went through my list of straight forward, and comprehensive inquiries.
What bothers me, among other things is the lack of transparency on their part in the form of the inability to answer simple questions. How can I be sure that they are capping at 5gb, or find out what speed have I been lowered to?
For all I know they are making up the rules as we're plowing down this dark gravel road to unknown parts.
A free speedtest could offer better data than the company I am paying good money to, and that is pretty jacked up.
To answer your question, I have no idea how I hit 5gb 1 week shy of my billing cycle ending.
And with no way to keep tabs, it looks like my Leo will be collecting a bit more dust in the future...I'd hate to blow the cap 2 weeks in.
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airoff8 said:
All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Dayum, you got me beat!
This is one competition where I really don't mind being last...
How is your browsing experience with the throttling applied?

kidrythm said:
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone

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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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If I left an area where service was solid, that would be one thing.
I am in K.C. where the service rivals Sprint's due to their "campus" being located here.
3 1/2 bars since day 1, another "issue" I have...
No movies (not til I pony up for coreplayer), and as far as music, the speaker sux bawls on the Leo and earbuds irritate me.
Just regular usage rivaling that of my average daily p.c. surfing was before I got my htc hd2 set up.

crisisinthecity said:
Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB

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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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wow, thanks for posting.
"privates"?
being 11 years old is a confusing, and yet exciting time!
now run along the adults are talking.

Anyways, after that lasts dumb post. I agree with the others up top, with the data cap instated, you are still getting data, just at a slower rate. No where in your contract does it state that what speeds you will recieve using mobile data, only that your access to mobile data is unlimited.

Get out of your contract with no ETF?

Ok guys, so I saw somewhere around here, a while back I think that Sprint changed some of it's fine print in the contract...Soooo, no one flame me or anything, but does anyone have any info on this? Thinking of jumping ship to verizon. I have 4 lines right now and pay around $176 a month and all the lines are still under contract for a while. I'm not set on going to verizon, but would just like to get some ideas....Thanks for any input....yes...I'm thinking about getting the iphone

tether it a lot while roaming. Use up at least 3-4 gig's a month on roaming data.

r916 said:
tether it a lot while roaming. Use up at least 3-4 gig's a month on roaming data.
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Yeah, pretty much this. Load up a Verizon PRL and start downloading Linux ISOs.

And get ready for your bill to double for those 4 lines.

datajosh said:
Yeah, pretty much this. Load up a Verizon PRL and start downloading Linux ISOs.
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You know I've never considered this. Would they just wash you out if you started doing this? Would there be any kind of monetary penalty?

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tether it a lot while roaming. Use up at least 3-4 gig's a month on roaming data.
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I'm looking to get out of all my lines tho, not just one...I forgot what I read somewhere but, Sprint changed like the price per text message, or since they're adding this $10 data fee, or something along those lines...i wish i could find that same post

I think I found something...This was just on my latest bill, I did some research and any change to the previous contract is a breach and you have 30 days to get out of your contract. Now, you can get out of your contract and still keep your service, just not be tied down to a fricken contract! Here is what was on my last bill:
Directory Assistance 411 Increase
Effective 3/1/11, the domestic Directory Assistance 411 base charge will increase to $1.99 per call.
Please let me know if I am wrong, but when I worked for Verizon this is the way it was for them too.

I think the way it works is you tell them "hey I don't agreement this change and I want out" and they have to.
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packattack12 said:
I think I found something...This was just on my latest bill, I did some research and any change to the previous contract is a breach and you have 30 days to get out of your contract. Now, you can get out of your contract and still keep your service, just not be tied down to a fricken contract! Here is what was on my last bill:
Directory Assistance 411 Increase
Effective 3/1/11, the domestic Directory Assistance 411 base charge will increase to $1.99 per call.
Please let me know if I am wrong, but when I worked for Verizon this is the way it was for them too.
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Call Sprint and ask.

Tell them you heard about the Kyocera Echo release and it terrified you, and if Sprint reps have any decency, they'll understand.

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Tell them you heard about the Kyocera Echo release and it terrified you, and if Sprint reps have any decency, they'll understand.
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HAHAHA!! HILARIOUS! You know what, that whole "thing" tonight makes me want to switch even more. I know - I didn't think it was going to happen - but I was hoping for an iPhone...Or at least not something that looks like a toy and completely useless

sidepart said:
You know I've never considered this. Would they just wash you out if you started doing this? Would there be any kind of monetary penalty?
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Not sure but I think the contract might give them the option to. I haven't heard of anyone being charged though, just dropped from the network.
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I'm looking to get out of all my lines tho, not just one...I forgot what I read somewhere but, Sprint changed like the price per text message, or since they're adding this $10 data fee, or something along those lines...i wish i could find that same post
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I believe the text message rate happened some time ago. Sprint has been very careful with their most recent changes and they don't count as "materially adverse changes". The Sprint Premier change doesn't because it's a perk and not part of the contract. The $10 data fee doesn't because if you have an EVO or Epic, you're already under contract to pay it anyway, and if you don't, you won't be paying it until you get another phone. The 411 fee mentioned above also doesn't count because it's not part of your contract.

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I think I found something...This was just on my latest bill, I did some research and any change to the previous contract is a breach and you have 30 days to get out of your contract. Now, you can get out of your contract and still keep your service, just not be tied down to a fricken contract! Here is what was on my last bill:
Directory Assistance 411 Increase
Effective 3/1/11, the domestic Directory Assistance 411 base charge will increase to $1.99 per call.
Please let me know if I am wrong, but when I worked for Verizon this is the way it was for them too.
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No. Once you get out of your contract this way you also lose service and the phone numbers associated with the account. You just do not pay the ETF per line if they apply.

Soo.... Any hope of escaping the contact?
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galaxywhat? said:
Soo.... Any hope of escaping the contact?
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I think I'm going to give them a jingle tomorrow....I will let you guys know what they say

You cant get out for Sprint changing the ten dollar premium data fee because existing lines are already grandfathered in and the 411 calls are just a service they offer. you can call 1800free411 and get free 411 calls if you would like. They will not let you out of contract because these fees are not something you are forced to pay. The last time sprint changed something that would allow you to get out of your contract for free was when they imposed the 5g data cap on the 3g service for data cards only. that meant that anyone who opposed it could end service within 30 days without any ETF but after the 30 days it was assumed that you accepted. So I would keep trolling but they are really arent as dumb as they seem...

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You cant get out for Sprint changing the ten dollar premium data fee because existing lines are already grandfathered in and the 411 calls are just a service they offer. you can call 1800free411 and get free 411 calls if you would like. They will not let you out of contract because these fees are not something you are forced to pay. The last time sprint changed something that would allow you to get out of your contract for free was when they imposed the 5g data cap on the 3g service for data cards only. that meant that anyone who opposed it could end service within 30 days without any ETF but after the 30 days it was assumed that you accepted. So I would keep trolling but they are really arent as dumb as they seem...
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So, where do they have to post this info when they change it then?

I drew up a plane ticket and an apartment lease contract to a place where Sprint offered no reception. I think I was moving to Alaska or something.... can't remember. Point is, it worked. They let the line go without paying an ETF.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=945629
One post is enough.

xfusejc said:
I drew up a plane ticket and an apartment lease contract to a place where Sprint offered no reception. I think I was moving to Alaska or something.... can't remember. Point is, it worked. They let the line go without paying an ETF.
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Nice work.
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Verizon PRL Hack - Just Don't

I don't know how many of you have been kicked off for this (doubt anybody has as not one of you that do use the hack have ever potsed about it finally working) but please stop doing it, all youre doing is upping the costs for everyone. To get kicked off the network we all know you have to constantly roam (excessive roaming) however Sprint will still check and require proof of address to have your ETF waived, once they see you're constantly roaming in a coverage area you will still get stuck with the ETF. Just a heads up, we all complain about prices going up but there's also tons of people that participate in making costs go up.

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I don't know how many of you have been kicked off for this (doubt anybody has as not one of you that do use the hack have ever potsed about it finally working) but please stop doing it, all youre doing is upping the costs for everyone. To get kicked off the network we all know you have to constantly roam (excessive roaming) however Sprint will still check and require proof of address to have your ETF waived, once they see you're constantly roaming in a coverage area you will still get stuck with the ETF. Just a heads up, we all complain about prices going up but there's also tons of people that participate in making costs go up.
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Thanks for the info. Did not realize you were a sprint employee.
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I don't know about anyone else but I've been using this hack for months and don't have any roaming data. I know it's working or doing something because I notice a great deal of improvement in coverage.
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Sprint's data service is so bad that many find it as essential. If I pay $10 for a PREMIUM data add on, I expect premium data not 200-500 kbps. I've yet to do the PRL hack but everything is so damn slow. Downloading apps used to take a couple of seconds now it takes a couple of minutes.

Award Tour said:
Sprint's data service is so bad that many find it as essential. If I pay $10 for a PREMIUM data add on, I expect premium data not 200-500 kbps. I've yet to do the PRL hack but everything is so damn slow. Downloading apps used to take a couple of seconds now it takes a couple of minutes.
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I'm not talking about the speed, I have horrible speeds too for the past 2 months, i'm talking about people using it to get kicked off.

Rem3Dy said:
Do you really have evidence of this? Or are you just some disgruntled cheapskate passing off opinion as fact?
This really required its own thread? You are just screaming for attention aren't you.
BTW many people have posted about this actually getting sprint to cancel their account ETF free.
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What the hell are you talking about? Reading > You.

He's talking about people that use it to get out of paying the etf...for instance they download torrents 247 just to get excessive roam instead of just using it for Verizon coverage...I read it pretty clear, don't know what's wrong with everyone
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i totally 100% agree with the op

i kinda agree but then again i understand why they are doing it been fighting with data speeds to the point i thought about doing the prl hack to get released from my 5 phone contract

I just hate to see good things come to an end because of a select few. Prices are going to go up, no doubt, but there's no sense in having them go up faster. It's a lose-lose situation. Customers get less for their money and employee's get less (benefits).

so, what you're bringing to my attention is that there is a way to get out of my contract without an etf?
this is news to me and probably several others. I had no idea there was a vzw prl hack. can you explain in great detail how this is done and what I should search Google for?
oh wait I guess you just did in the OP.
thanks.
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thedudejdog said:
so, what you're bringing to my attention is that there is a way to get out of my contract without an etf?
this is news to me and probably several others. I had no idea there was a vzw prl hack. can you explain in great detail how this is done and what I should search Google for?
oh wait I guess you just did in the OP.
thanks.
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Reading > You.

DirtyShroomz said:
Reading > You.
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all i'm saying is if something is bad and you don't want people doing it, probably not the best idea to draw attention to it. just let it die.

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all i'm saying is if something is bad and you don't want people doing it, probably not the best idea to draw attention to it. just let it die.
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Or you can educate them that by doing this hack you won't be let go ETF free as proof of address is still required to have ETF waived.

can anyone give me a link on how to do this? I would love to test out the speeds on it

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can anyone give me a link on how to do this? I would love to test out the speeds on it
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http://tinyurl.com/47z9cbn

Although I see where you're going with this, we are a very small percentage of the Evo owners. And a smaller amount of rooted Evo owners that actually user this hack. I know quite a few Evo owners that don't even want to root their phone, one of them being my wife. If Sprint set their plans up like TMO, where I could bring a paid off phone to their network and pay less monthly since I wasn't on a subsidized phone then it would different. Rates are determined partially about how providers will recover phone costs, and that is the ETF (obviously), but what about all the people that have paid there phone off by contract and continue to pay the same rates. This came to my attention, or rather opened my eyes when I wanted to add my daughter on our family plan with a blackberry that I had laying around. And even though it was paid off, it still required a 2 year activation..WTF...i didn't understand when I wasn't buying a subsidized phone, since I wanted the ability to shut the phone off for grades, behavior, etc. I mean why would I be responsible for etf for a phone that wasn't subsidized. I wish a plan similar to TMO would come to other providers.
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Although I see where you're going with this, we are a very small percentage of the Evo owners. And a smaller amount of rooted Evo owners that actually user this hack. I know quite a few Evo owners that don't even want to root their phone, one of them being my wife. If Sprint set their plans up like TMO, where I could bring a paid off phone to their network and pay less monthly since I wasn't on a subsidized phone then it would different. Rates are determined about how providers will recover phone costs, and that is the ETF (obviously), but what about all the people that have paid there phone off by contract and continue to pay the same rates. This came to my attention, or rather opened my eyes when I wanted to add my daughter on our family plan with a blackberry that I had laying around. And even though it was paid off, it still required a 2 year activation..WTF...i didn't understand when I wasn't buying a subsidized phone, since I wanted the ability to shut the phone off for grades, behavior, etc. I mean why would I be responsible for etf for a phone that wasn't subsidized. I wish a plan similar to TMO would come to other providers.
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You can start a line without a contract if you bring your own phone, don't let anyone tell you any different.

I encourage you to call Sprint yourself and clarify that. That is not the case when adding a new line. I can activate a phone under my line and not affect my contract, but adding a line is different.
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I encourage you to call Sprint yourself and clarify that. That is not the case when adding a new line. I can activate a phone under my line and not affect my contract, but adding a line is different.
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I don't need to, I work there.

Hotspot data limited

I see the news that Sprint is doing away with unlimited hotspot. I use the wifi tether app to provide a hotspot for my laptop in the field.
How can i see how much data I'm using while tethering?
I`m getting the itch more and more to go to Verizon. Sprint cell service is very spotty, there becoming more like the rest, and their 4G sucks and it will be another year and a half before we can see any change from them with LTE.
Would this change in the data be grounds for me to cancel due to change in the contract?

if you really wanna get out your contract without having to pay the etf go here> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073 from what i read if you use up enough data sprint will give you the boot.

How can i see how much data I'm using while tethering?
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If you are rooted and using wifi tether, this "shouldn't" affect that, as that app makes it seems like its the phone using the data. What sprint is after is the people using the Sprint Hotspot app.
Would this change in the data be grounds for me to cancel due to change in the contract?
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No, this does not change your contract. If you are already in contract, this doesn't affect you until you re-sign the contract.
if you really wanna get out your contract without having to pay the etf go here> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073 from what i read if you use up enough data sprint will give you the boot.
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No, do NOT do that. There are MANY LEGAL ways to get out of your contract. Screwing sprint over by making them pay verizon for your stupidity is not the way to do it.

No, do NOT do that. There are MANY LEGAL ways to get out of your contract. Screwing sprint over by making them pay verizon for your stupidity is not the way to do it.[/QUOTE]
You sound like a sprint employee. Sprint is a multi million dollar company they can afford it, also alot of us on sprint are getting screwed for having to pay for 4g when we can barely even get a 4g connection. Not to mention the crappy reception.

also alot of us on sprint are getting screwed for having to pay for 4g when we can barely even get a 4g connection.
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You aren't paying for 4g, you are paying for mobile internet.

http://m.infoworld.com/d/mobile-tec...tphones-176849?mm_ref=http://news.google.com/
Yeah, just saw this, was looking where to post it on xda. Apparently I've been beat to the whiskey sour
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sitlet said:
You aren't paying for 4g, you are paying for mobile internet.
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Oh bull****. Sprint tacks on an extra 10 (I think it's 20 now $) to own a 4g phone. Despite the vast majority paying have no access to 4g. Your comment is purely ignorant. How do you not recall this argument from 18mo ago? Are you new?
I have 4g. But I know most don't. Stupid comment of the year award, over, done, awarded. You win.
Edit: and thanks agent Droid for giving me a place to post the link I had just copied to share
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While capping data use on its 3G network to 3GB, 5GB, or 10GB per month, Sprint has continued to offer unlimited 4G service. Now, the cap for each of these plans will cover the subscriber's combined monthly data use on both 3G and 4G. All data use above the cap will cost 5 cents per megabyte.
The monthly allowance for data use while roaming on non-Sprint networks will be 100MB for the 3GB plan and 300MB for the other two plans, with each megabyte over those caps charged at 25 cents.
For Mobile Hotspot plans on phones, data usage will be capped at 5GB per month of either 3G or combined 3G/4G service, depending on whether the phone can use 4G. Use above that cap will be charged at 5 cents per megabyte. Those plans will have a 300MB monthly cap for data roaming.
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Ha, **** that.

dzee206 said:
You sound like a sprint employee. Sprint is a multi million dollar company they can afford it, also alot of us on sprint are getting screwed for having to pay for 4g when we can barely even get a 4g connection. Not to mention the crappy reception.
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This is absurd.
People like you are what cause cut backs, increased rates and relinquishment of benefits.
You people sit here and try to justify all the bull**** you want, Sprint isn't doing this to be jerks.
They simply cannot afford it.
They want to continue to offer unlimited data on phones

mattykinsx said:
This is absurd.
People like you are what cause cut backs, increased rates and relinquishment of benefits.
You people sit here and try to justify all the bull**** you want, Sprint isn't doing this to be jerks.
They simply cannot afford it.
They want to continue to offer unlimited data on phones
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oh great another old butt hurt sprint fan boy! quit acting all high and mighty.
"so basicly this exploit is for those who get terrible reception, download speeds etc? also would it matter if your on a unlimitted data plan using this?"
"thanks for confirming that, i think ill just stay away from this for now or atleast till i wanna get out of my contract."
those are my exact words from this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073&page=214 . so next time you try and talk down on someone get your damn facts straight! all i was trying to do was help out a fellow xda member, so quit with all your bs. so marinate on that thought, on that note dont even bother replying back this all your getting out of me. im out, peace out sucka.

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oh great another old butt hurt sprint fan boy! quit acting all high and mighty.
"so basicly this exploit is for those who get terrible reception, download speeds etc? also would it matter if your on a unlimitted data plan using this?"
"thanks for confirming that, i think ill just stay away from this for now or atleast till i wanna get out of my contract."
those are my exact words from this thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696073&page=214 . so next time you try and talk down on someone get your damn facts straight! all i was trying to do was help out a fellow xda member, so quit with all your bs. so marinate on that thought, on that note dont even bother replying back this all your getting out of me. im out, peace out sucka.
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And?
I'm not going to search your previous posts.
All I know is you tried to peddle this bull**** idea that these companies are just swimming in cash.
Its so stupid.
People make comments like "these CEOs make millions a year, they can afford xy abuse/exploit"
Okay...and do you think that CEO is going to lose out on his pay because of that abuse?
NOPE.
Guess who does? The customer and low level employees.
Always always always.
Everything is interconnected.
For all the fools that force a carrier to give em a different model because their OEM phone can't be rooted after an update, or those that abuse prls, or those that demand credits because a device that is known to have an issue and you didn't return it within the 14 days, or people downloading 50GB of month in torrents on their wireless connection...the only one you're hurting is the customer. (Yourself)
Everyone wants to ***** and whine about loss of benefits, limiting of data, the loss of the ability to get a different model when its necessary for valid reasons ....WELL THEN STOP ABUSING the system.
Because abuse is truly what is causing a loss of those benefits.
You can "screw" whatever corporation you want...problem is...the CEOs, the board, the higher ups...they won't even notice the difference.
People gotta start focusing on the bigger picture.
This isn't about being on some "high horse" or being "self righteous" or whatever negative connotation that you can attach to it.
It's about the realization that everything is truly interconnected and that we customers are the ones screwing ourselves.

dzee206 said:
im out, peace out sucka.
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did you seriously just call him "sucka"??? how is 2nd grade nowadays?

Your comment is purely ignorant. How do you not recall this argument from 18mo ago? Are you new?
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Umm, do YOU remember the argument? It is WIDELY known the 10 dollar fee is for Premium Data, NOT just for 4g. EVERY smartphone has a 10 dollar fee now, not just 4g phones. So your argument that the 10 dollars is for 4g is stupid.

cnstarz said:
did you seriously just call him "sucka"??? how is 2nd grade nowadays?
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obviously i did if you read my post. i said my part and so did mattykinsx, and from the look's of thing's were both just gonna leave it as is. i dont want this getting turned into a flame war and start getting infractions, but if you wanna keep dragging it along go ahead be my guest. im done here with this thread so say what you like doesn't matter to me.