Ok guys, so I saw somewhere around here, a while back I think that Sprint changed some of it's fine print in the contract...Soooo, no one flame me or anything, but does anyone have any info on this? Thinking of jumping ship to verizon. I have 4 lines right now and pay around $176 a month and all the lines are still under contract for a while. I'm not set on going to verizon, but would just like to get some ideas....Thanks for any input....yes...I'm thinking about getting the iphone
tether it a lot while roaming. Use up at least 3-4 gig's a month on roaming data.
r916 said:
tether it a lot while roaming. Use up at least 3-4 gig's a month on roaming data.
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Yeah, pretty much this. Load up a Verizon PRL and start downloading Linux ISOs.
And get ready for your bill to double for those 4 lines.
datajosh said:
Yeah, pretty much this. Load up a Verizon PRL and start downloading Linux ISOs.
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You know I've never considered this. Would they just wash you out if you started doing this? Would there be any kind of monetary penalty?
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tether it a lot while roaming. Use up at least 3-4 gig's a month on roaming data.
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I'm looking to get out of all my lines tho, not just one...I forgot what I read somewhere but, Sprint changed like the price per text message, or since they're adding this $10 data fee, or something along those lines...i wish i could find that same post
I think I found something...This was just on my latest bill, I did some research and any change to the previous contract is a breach and you have 30 days to get out of your contract. Now, you can get out of your contract and still keep your service, just not be tied down to a fricken contract! Here is what was on my last bill:
Directory Assistance 411 Increase
Effective 3/1/11, the domestic Directory Assistance 411 base charge will increase to $1.99 per call.
Please let me know if I am wrong, but when I worked for Verizon this is the way it was for them too.
I think the way it works is you tell them "hey I don't agreement this change and I want out" and they have to.
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packattack12 said:
I think I found something...This was just on my latest bill, I did some research and any change to the previous contract is a breach and you have 30 days to get out of your contract. Now, you can get out of your contract and still keep your service, just not be tied down to a fricken contract! Here is what was on my last bill:
Directory Assistance 411 Increase
Effective 3/1/11, the domestic Directory Assistance 411 base charge will increase to $1.99 per call.
Please let me know if I am wrong, but when I worked for Verizon this is the way it was for them too.
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Call Sprint and ask.
Tell them you heard about the Kyocera Echo release and it terrified you, and if Sprint reps have any decency, they'll understand.
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Tell them you heard about the Kyocera Echo release and it terrified you, and if Sprint reps have any decency, they'll understand.
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HAHAHA!! HILARIOUS! You know what, that whole "thing" tonight makes me want to switch even more. I know - I didn't think it was going to happen - but I was hoping for an iPhone...Or at least not something that looks like a toy and completely useless
sidepart said:
You know I've never considered this. Would they just wash you out if you started doing this? Would there be any kind of monetary penalty?
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Not sure but I think the contract might give them the option to. I haven't heard of anyone being charged though, just dropped from the network.
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I'm looking to get out of all my lines tho, not just one...I forgot what I read somewhere but, Sprint changed like the price per text message, or since they're adding this $10 data fee, or something along those lines...i wish i could find that same post
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I believe the text message rate happened some time ago. Sprint has been very careful with their most recent changes and they don't count as "materially adverse changes". The Sprint Premier change doesn't because it's a perk and not part of the contract. The $10 data fee doesn't because if you have an EVO or Epic, you're already under contract to pay it anyway, and if you don't, you won't be paying it until you get another phone. The 411 fee mentioned above also doesn't count because it's not part of your contract.
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I think I found something...This was just on my latest bill, I did some research and any change to the previous contract is a breach and you have 30 days to get out of your contract. Now, you can get out of your contract and still keep your service, just not be tied down to a fricken contract! Here is what was on my last bill:
Directory Assistance 411 Increase
Effective 3/1/11, the domestic Directory Assistance 411 base charge will increase to $1.99 per call.
Please let me know if I am wrong, but when I worked for Verizon this is the way it was for them too.
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No. Once you get out of your contract this way you also lose service and the phone numbers associated with the account. You just do not pay the ETF per line if they apply.
Soo.... Any hope of escaping the contact?
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Soo.... Any hope of escaping the contact?
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I think I'm going to give them a jingle tomorrow....I will let you guys know what they say
You cant get out for Sprint changing the ten dollar premium data fee because existing lines are already grandfathered in and the 411 calls are just a service they offer. you can call 1800free411 and get free 411 calls if you would like. They will not let you out of contract because these fees are not something you are forced to pay. The last time sprint changed something that would allow you to get out of your contract for free was when they imposed the 5g data cap on the 3g service for data cards only. that meant that anyone who opposed it could end service within 30 days without any ETF but after the 30 days it was assumed that you accepted. So I would keep trolling but they are really arent as dumb as they seem...
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You cant get out for Sprint changing the ten dollar premium data fee because existing lines are already grandfathered in and the 411 calls are just a service they offer. you can call 1800free411 and get free 411 calls if you would like. They will not let you out of contract because these fees are not something you are forced to pay. The last time sprint changed something that would allow you to get out of your contract for free was when they imposed the 5g data cap on the 3g service for data cards only. that meant that anyone who opposed it could end service within 30 days without any ETF but after the 30 days it was assumed that you accepted. So I would keep trolling but they are really arent as dumb as they seem...
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So, where do they have to post this info when they change it then?
I drew up a plane ticket and an apartment lease contract to a place where Sprint offered no reception. I think I was moving to Alaska or something.... can't remember. Point is, it worked. They let the line go without paying an ETF.
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One post is enough.
xfusejc said:
I drew up a plane ticket and an apartment lease contract to a place where Sprint offered no reception. I think I was moving to Alaska or something.... can't remember. Point is, it worked. They let the line go without paying an ETF.
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Nice work.
The EVO you wish you had
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I just checked Sprint and checked my roaming data 1.3 gigs, but then it wasn't in red, and it said 1.3gigs/Unlimited
Yay unlimited roaming
It's been like this forever.
Sprint Data Used
459,509KB/ Unlimited
Sprint Data Roaming Used
4,384,848KB/ Unlimited
Be careful 50% or more of your usage/time on roaming and they kick you off the network.
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engagedtosmile said:
It's been like this forever.
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I checked it like a week ago, and it always said out of 0 but they never charged me.
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Be careful 50% or more of your usage/time on roaming and they kick you off the network.
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Proof? I have been over 50% since I got my Evo and they haven't said a word.
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I checked it like a week ago, and it always said out of 0 but they never charged me.
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Yeah I see what you're saying now, but technically its always been unlimited. Now it just doesn't say "Additional Charges 0$" all the time in big scary red letters.
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Be careful 50% or more of your usage/time on roaming and they kick you off the network.
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I think for me it would be something like this
limit x-> 0+
1,300,000/x
The ratio that is, I don't use Sprint data.
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Proof? I have been over 50% since I got my Evo and they haven't said a word.
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Yeah, check your terms and conditions. Every carrier has this.
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Be aware that they won't charge you, but they do have the right to terminate your contract with an etf if your roaming data goes over 300MB/month. Whether or not they decide to crack down on you is up to them.
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Be aware that they won't charge you, but they do have the right to terminate your contract with an etf if your roaming data goes over 300MB/month. Whether or not they decide to crack down on you is up to them.
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That is incorrect!
They have the right to terminate/regulate/throttle your contract/usage/data, but if they cancel you, there is no ETF. I have spoken at length with several Sprint reps about this, and it is fact.
I have been concerned that they would try to cancel my contract because I have the PRL hack and have been over 12gb of roaming data for several months in a row now, since way before the Evo came out. But, they keep telling me it's okay. They even give me free bonus minutes for my trouble every time I call. The secret is to call it in yourself, and act like a concerned customer that just wants to know what to do, but be persistent, they will be more than helpful if you take this approach.
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That is incorrect!
They have the right to terminate/regulate/throttle your contract/usage/data, but if they cancel you, there is no ETF. I have spoken at length with several Sprint reps about this, and it is fact.
I have been concerned that they would try to cancel my contract because I have the PRL hack and have been over 12gb of roaming data for several months in a row now, since way before the Evo came out. But, they keep telling me it's okay. They even give me free bonus minutes for my trouble every time I call. The secret is to call it in yourself, and act like a concerned customer that just wants to know what to do, but be persistent, they will be more than helpful if you take this approach.
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They will still cancel you regardless how "concerned" you are lol
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They will still cancel you regardless how "concerned" you are lol
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That's fine, I'll take my phones somewhere else.
Also, they will give you warning before they cancel you. Remember, they want you to keep sending them money, and you wont be doing that if they cancel you. They will send out a warning letter asking you to change your usage pattern. If you don't change in the next month, then ur gone without any further notice.
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They will still cancel you regardless how "concerned" you are lol
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You work for Sprint and have done nothing but give horrible advice about Sprints terms and conditions.
We get it - you work for Sprint. Now shut up please. You don't know half as much as you claim you do.
Sprint CAN cancel your contract for numerous things - including tethering without paying. I use ~ 20 gigs a month without paying for tethering. Never heard a complaint.
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You work for Sprint and have done nothing but give horrible advice about Sprints terms and conditions.
We get it - you work for Sprint. Now shut up please. You don't know half as much as you claim you do.
Sprint CAN cancel your contract for numerous things - including tethering without paying. I use ~ 20 gigs a month without paying for tethering. Never heard a complaint.
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Damn I thought you left. Today is a bad day for this forum if you're back. Btw they won't cancel you for tethering free that's why you haven't heard anything lol but they will cap data because of morons like you
Nobody likes you here and I do thoroughly enjoy seeing you drop out of every thread when proven wrong.
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Here you go brother
Excessive Utilization of Network Resources: Wireless and Wireline networks have capacity limits and all customers can suffer from degraded or denied service when one or a small group of users consumes disproportionate amounts of network resources. Sprint Nextel, therefore, will monitor both overall network performance and individual resource consumption to determine if any user is consuming a disproportionate amount of available resources and creating the potential to disrupt or degrade the Sprint Nextel network or network usage by others. While the determination of what constitutes excessive use depends on the specific state of the network at any given time, excessive use is determined by resource consumption relative to that of a typical individual user of the Service and not by the use of any particular application.
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Go ahead and test your "unlimited" theory. This applies to roaming minutes as well.
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That's fine, I'll take my phones somewhere else.
Also, they will give you warning before they cancel you. Remember, they want you to keep sending them money, and you wont be doing that if they cancel you. They will send out a warning letter asking you to change your usage pattern. If you don't change in the next month, then ur gone without any further notice.
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I think we just stumbled across a fool proof way to get out of your contract without the etf. Just act like a data roaming fool for a few months to get them to take notice, then ignore the warning they send you and poof.....you're out of your contract the next month.
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I think we just stumbled across a fool proof way to get out of your contract without the etf. Just act like a data roaming fool for a few months to get them to take notice, then ignore the warning they send you and poof.....you're out of your contract the next month.
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Problem with that is, it takes 3+ months for it to actually get to you. If you're lucky you will get it within the 3 months but most people get cancelled at month 6 - but it will definitely work if you do, do that.
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Problem with that is, it takes 3+ months for it to actually get to you. If you're lucky you will get it within the 3 months but most people get cancelled at month 6 - but it will definitely work if you do, do that.
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Well I guess that bright idea bit the dust with a quickness
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I think we just stumbled across a fool proof way to get out of your contract without the etf. Just act like a data roaming fool for a few months to get them to take notice, then ignore the warning they send you and poof.....you're out of your contract the next month.
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Yeah, that's actually what I was trying to get out of talking to them. I finally got one the managers to confirm in writing that I would be able to opt out all 5 lines for free if they decided to cancel/suspend me. Just waiting for that letter but it never comes, been over 6 months of intentionally high data roaming. I run Pandora all day and stream netflix/hulu while tethered to 4g, and of coarse lots of mp3 downloads.
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Yeah, that's actually what I was trying to get out of talking to them. I finally got one the managers to confirm in writing that I would be able to opt out all 5 lines for free if they decided to cancel/suspend me. Just waiting for that letter but it never comes, been over 6 months of intentionally high data roaming. I run Pandora all day and stream netflix/hulu while tethered to 4g, and of coarse lots of mp3 downloads.
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Never seen anyone get cancelled because of high data usage... this is for roaming calling usage. Right now you're just messing up everyone else's usage and giving Sprint a reason to cap their data
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Never seen anyone get cancelled because of high data usage... this is for roaming calling usage. Right now you're just messing up everyone else's usage and giving Sprint a reason to cap their data
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Are you retarded?
This thread is about data roaming, if you can't follow along, stfu!
Also, can you read? I mentioned I was running a different PRL, all my data and voice is roaming!
I have the HD2 on Tmobile in the US and have been using it, unlocked, with the web2go, Tzones, $9.99 plan for about a year and before that had a Kaiser for 2 years doing the same.
This morning my browser started automatically redirecting to a page telling me my plan is not compatible with my phone and demanding that I upgrade my plan.....
So much for having 2 lines, 700 minutes, unlimited data for $72.00 a month.
Has this happened to anyone else?
Same here at about 0800 hours, central time, i got the same message on the screen about my plan is not compatible with the phone, it keeps re-directing to that web2go page. :-( :-( :-( I have HD2 Tmo-us.
same here, cc told me that their servers killed the service for smart phones. they gave me a reduced internet package for $20 instead.
I'm going to wait a day or two and see if things come back, but if not, what did you have to ask for to get the $20 internet package?
Free lunch is over! Likely nothing you can do about this either, since it is likely detecting based off the IMEI of the phone, not only is there no known way to change the IMEI on the HD2, to do so would be illegal.
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I'm going to wait a day or two and see if things come back, but if not, what did you have to ask for to get the $20 internet package?
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The current $20 internet package offer is for "loyal" TMO customers. I am not sure how far you have to be into your contract to be considered a "loyal" customer, you may even have to have completed your contract and be out of contract. You likely also have to have had on time payments for a certain period of time if not for the entire duration of your contract.
Your best bet would be to call in and ask a CSR about the customer loyalty internet package, and if they claim to know nothing about it then ask to speak to retentions
I fit all of the conditions.
Thanks for the tips.
I thought it was just me. Well, no reason to stick around with tmobile anymore
I've got the same problem.
I'm usually quick to scream bloody murder and leave a company but this is different. We were taking advantage of a loop-hole that Tmobile was kind enough to be slow to fix. Even at $20 a month it's still cheaper than anything on Verizon or AT&T and doesn't require a new contract, I assume and hope (can anyone confirm that?)
I'm sticking with TMobile for now. Besides, I don't want to buy a new phone.
yup it's over...
yup it's over...
however, it doesn't seem to only be affecting branded "smart" tmous devices.....
supposedly iphones, and n1s have had their tzones cut...
*it shows my msisdn in the url upgrade page* so perhaps it is just line based....
I might as well switch because i get crappy reception with tmous at my school... however their 3g speeds seem to be the fastest....no iphone users bogging down the 3g network lol...
but still, 20 dollar for unlimited data doesn't sound too bad....
as for cdma networks.....questionable...
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I thought it was just me. Well, no reason to stick around with tmobile anymore
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And what is switching going to get you? a data plan that at least costs $10 more than what TMO provides? usage caps, tethering restrictions and overage charges for data? and an overloaded network in the case of ATT or in the case of Sprint/VZ a network that cant provide simultaneous voice/data?
Meteo said:
I thought it was just me. Well, no reason to stick around with tmobile anymore
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Go to AT&T and pay for a capped data plan.
Or go to Sprint/Verizon and pay for a new CDMA phone
Sorry to say it...but about time. You guys have been mooching off of this for years, and T-Mobile finally cut you off. Seriously, you guys really have no room to complain that you now have to pay...GASP...13 DOLLARS MORE A MONTH!!! Think about it, you have been screwing T-Mobile for years, so you have saved enough to pay that extra money. And to the dude talking about leaving T-Mo...uhm...lol que? Like the others have said, feel free to go to another carrier with data caps, more expensive unlimited plans or even non-existent unlimited plans. Listen people, 20USD a month for UNLIMITED 2G/3G/4G(ish) data+UNLIMITED un hinderded tethering=a really damn good deal.
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Think about it, you have been screwing T-Mobile for years, so you have saved enough to pay that extra money.
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I don't think that taking advantage of a known loop-hole should be considered "screwing" them. Think of it like taxes, it's your duty as a citizen of the US to take advantage of as many tax breaks as you can, legally. If you pay too much to the IRS, they aren't likely to tell you.
And I don't really think I, or the others adding value to the thread are complaining. I'm just trying to make sure I don't wind up paying for something I don't need.
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Sorry to say it...but about time. You guys have been mooching off of this for years, and T-Mobile finally cut you off. Seriously, you guys really have no room to complain that you now have to pay...GASP...13 DOLLARS MORE A MONTH!!! Think about it, you have been screwing T-Mobile for years, so you have saved enough to pay that extra money. And to the dude talking about leaving T-Mo...uhm...lol que? Like the others have said, feel free to go to another carrier with data caps, more expensive unlimited plans or even non-existent unlimited plans. Listen people, 20USD a month for UNLIMITED 2G/3G/4G(ish) data+UNLIMITED un hinderded tethering=a really damn good deal.
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your post is filled with win, and smothered in awesome sauce!
whiners need to gtfo, tmo was not meant for you anyway...
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Sorry to say it...but about time. You guys have been mooching off of this for years, and T-Mobile finally cut you off. Seriously, you guys really have no room to complain that you now have to pay...GASP...13 DOLLARS MORE A MONTH!!! Think about it, you have been screwing T-Mobile for years, so you have saved enough to pay that extra money. And to the dude talking about leaving T-Mo...uhm...lol que? Like the others have said, feel free to go to another carrier with data caps, more expensive unlimited plans or even non-existent unlimited plans. Listen people, 20USD a month for UNLIMITED 2G/3G/4G(ish) data+UNLIMITED un hinderded tethering=a really damn good deal.
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Exactly.
Waah, you lost the $9.99 plan. Fine, leave T-Mobile. Have fun paying for tethering and dealing with data caps..
You guys who changed plans already should call back and get switched back. I still have my $5.99 T-Zones plan working fine with no browser redirects. It was some kind of maintenance snafu and all is normal now.
T-Mobile Web (Unlimited T-Zones) $5.99 Restoration
Confirmed to be working again on my HD2.
Yay for patience.
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Confirmed to be working again on my HD2.
Yay for patience.
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yay for starting a "wah" thread, then retracting it...lol.
So I notice I don't have this famous data cap everyone is getting. I downloaded/used much more than 5gb on tmo network and never got slowed down . I'm a flexpay on contract and I haven't yet pay my bill and got network connection anyway (sweet) I have proof I'm gonna log in my account from the phone and you guys will see my account is suspended but I got network services just no calling service tho.
http://oi52.tinypic.com/dzxp1j.jpg
See account suspended but still have data and no cap on I get 8mbps download on average
So what's the solution for the cap? go flexpay people only thing is you gotta pay the first month on advance
Stealing service is so wrong
@supergear IMO, it's not stealing service. its just avoiding a slow-down
Changing peoples service without notice and lying about the four g capabilties on the g2 is wrong too. Tit for tat.
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My old network "Eircell" used to cut numbers off if you didn't top up every 6 months. When I got a new number my old one was cut off eventually...but the gprs data still worked. Had free internet for months was great.
As for stealing service is wrong, well maybe but so is charging 20euro for 1GB of data so I guess it balances itself out so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it enjoy your free data!
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I see no moral quandary with having data on a suspended phone. If T-Mo does not properly shut it down more power too you, or more data to you as the case may be. But not paying your bill in the first place is wrong. At the least it is irresponsible and should not be considered a legitimate tactic for getting service.
And should be unlimited without slowing it down I'm just trying to help people avoid the cap go flexpay if you want to. And as for stealing... I'm not stealing more than they are to all of us. 5gb cap on 30 dollar web and extra 15 dollars for tethering a feature that's supose to be free because that's why we pay 30 in the first place. I payed 30 dollars for unlimited 4G speeds not edge when I go over their cap they are stealing my 4G service that I payed for to be unlimited. Well in my case not really because I don't have the cap since I'm flexpay but you people on regular plans it isn't fair stand up and fight it by going flexpay if you want that is. Flexpay can do contract and upgrades after contract it is the same thing with minor differences than regular plans. Like you can't go over your minutes even when you try. If anything it is better than regular plans for irresponsible people lmao like me, I once had a 500 dollar bill cuz I went over my minutes but with flexpay no more going over my minutes
Leave morals out
Let's just see if it's possible - i'm feeling screwed at the 5gb throttling cap - I don't see these 4g promised speeds here in LA and limiting me to edge like speeds is ludicrous. You have a qualm about it morally - then simple - don't do it.
I would do it in a heart beat - 6+years of being a loyal customer - I think they owe me it.
I am not sure why I am bothering but...
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And should be unlimited without slowing it down I'm just trying to help people avoid the cap go flexpay if you want to. And as for stealing... I'm not stealing more than they are to all of us.
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Do not try and justify illegal actions with indignity. T-Mobile offers a service for a price, you can use it or go elsewhere. If you feel their price is unreasonable then go to a different carrier.
Advocate flexpay all you want, it is technically under the same cap as all other plans. Maybe enforcement is not 100% or there are other problems but I would not bet on the lack of softcap continuing. At this stage we do not even know if all flexpay is uncapped or if it is something wrong with your account.
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5gb cap on 30 dollar web and extra 15 dollars for tethering a feature that's supose to be free because that's why we pay 30 in the first place. I payed 30 dollars for unlimited 4G speeds not edge when I go over their cap they are stealing my 4G service that I payed for to be unlimited.
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You paid $30 for unlimited web, which in the fine print outright states they may throttle you. I agree that the use of the term "unlimited web" is wrong but that is not material to the fact that the terms were available at the time of service. Unless you are on a really old contract (like me) the TOS at the time of signing explicitly disallows tethering. It has been this way for years. T-Mo just did not enforce it. Even my contract has a clause saying that T-Mo can update the TOS. So you are not getting ripped off, you are living under a false sense of entitlement.
For that matter since you are $60+ in the hole and on a suspended account you are not paying for anything and thus that justification is invalid.
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Well in my case not really because I don't have the cap since I'm flexpay but you people on regular plans it isn't fair stand up and fight it by going flexpay if you want that is. Flexpay can do contract and upgrades after contract it is the same thing with minor differences than regular plans. Like you can't go over your minutes even when you try. If anything it is better than regular plans for irresponsible people lmao like me, I once had a 500 dollar bill cuz I went over my minutes but with flexpay no more going over my minutes
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Going flexpay and not paying your bills is not "fighting it." That is playing with your credit rating in hopes that T-Mo does not notice that your data has not been disconnected. It does not sound like a good deal to me.
The way to fight it is to leave T-Mo. If you are on contract a change of TOS is sufficient to allow you to leave the contract. Theft of services is not the brightest way of protesting.
Personally I am upset with the new cap since I go over 5GB a month regularly without tethering. This has forced me to adapt and use wifi occasionally. Overall T-Mo is in line with the other major carriers in the US on cost with a more reasonable (to me) way of handling the datacap.
Yea all you got to do is call them up and tell them you want to go flex pay.
trying to read your posts makes my eyes bleed
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It absolutely can. Any debt in delinquency that gets reported can damage your credit rating. The benefit of Flexpay is that your credit rating has no bearing on whether you can open a flexpay account.
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It can but only if you leave debt like let's say I don't pay my bill and the account gets cancel and I owe tmo the 200 dollars cancellation fee there it can. But by paying your bill late they can't report it because you are paying for what you will have in advance. Already had this talk with tmo. So it can only if you don't pay the cancellation fee. Remember flexpay is supose to build credit tmo told me that's the point of flexpay. And I'm not stealing services I just can't pay my bill yet. It is tmos responsibilty to shut down cancelled services, what can I do about it? Nothing I'm just enjoying my free data which won't be anymore on Thursday when I pay my bill
See the reason for that they can't report when you pay your bill late on flexpay is because I already paid the month in advance. When you on regular account paying bill late is stealing services because tmo was trusting you to pay your bill on time and you didn't pay the service tmo offered you on time so you never paid for the services you got in the first place. But as for me I paid my the services I got this month already the first day I got the phone so I owe them nothing. That's why they can't report me, because I already paid for my service. Now if I cancel my phone line and don't pay them the 200 dollars than I owe them and they can for sure report me and that's never going to happen anyway
Wow, yeah, everybody destroy your credit just to get some free data.
Good luck convincing a bank to give you a mortgage.
"and why didn't you pay your phone bill?"
"so that I could get phone for free!"
Right....
I've gone on over 16gb of data usage, got the throttled text as usual, but I still get 7mb dl as usual. And I still tether perfectly fine with no problems
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what makes this stealing?
so I am on flex pay also, and I can't pay my bill untill Friday. but my data still works fine. should I ignore the fact that data works? I think not. the network wasn'nt hacked, I didn't climb the tower and tap in.....so please, tell me...how is this stealing? it isn't
It is not stealing. It is also not a practical way of getting uncapped data service.
People always talk without doing research, in case anyone didn't know, flexpay can't bring your credit down lmao. I already had this convo with tmo on credit. Flexpay makes your credit go up that's the point and it is for people that got no credit I'm just 18 that's why I'm flexpay. And anyone can switch to flexpay to avoid losing credit over not paying bill on time and things like that. No matter what I do tmo can't bring down my credit on flexpay that's why its called flexpay.
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Same here can't get your point?
It's possible to break out of your Verizon Wireless contract in the next 60 days without paying an early termination fee because they're increasing the "regulatory fee" they charge customers from $.13 to $.16. This is what is known as a "materially adverse change of contract" and by standard contract law, it renders the contract void if one of the parties doesn't like the change.
More information at Fatwallet and consumerist.com.
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Yes thanks. I read that on phandroid yesterday, have been thinking about it.
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It's possible to break out of your Verizon Wireless contract in the next 60 days without paying an early termination fee because they're increasing the "regulatory fee" they charge customers from $.13 to $.16. This is what is known as a "materially adverse change of contract" and by standard contract law, it renders the contract void if one of the parties doesn't like the change.
More information at Fatwallet and consumerist.com.
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So a few questions if anyone has gone this route in the past:
What is the process to follow to do this? Do you just walk in and ask to be let out of your contract?
Are there any negative consequences if you decide in the future to go back to Verizon?
If you break the contract, can you remain with VZW until you purchase another phone/plan from someone else (Sprint)?
Dumb question. but if you do this can you sighn up for another 2 year contract for the discount on a new phone.
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Dumb question. but if you do this can you sighn up for another 2 year contract for the discount on a new phone.
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Breaking the ETF does not entitle you to an upgrade on your equipment. So basically you would have to start a new line of service if you do not have an upgrade. This means losing your current mobile number, and possibly paying additional activation fees/pro-ration on your next bill. If you do not care about losing your current mobile number, I say go for it.
The primary benefit I see in this is if you are already planning on switching carriers, and are currently under contract.
Monthly bill with verizion is getting too much for me especially since a lot of my family members are wishing to get smartphones.
This will be useful for me as I do not wish to pay 600 dollar to end the contract of 4 phones.
I did this yesterday. It took five minutes and was probably the easiest call I had with Verizon ever. I'm glad I don't have to give them another cent. I was told I wouldn't be able to continue paying month by month on the line but I'm not sure about signing another agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if they denied you.
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I did this yesterday. It took five minutes and was probably the easiest call I had with Verizon ever. I'm glad I don't have to give them another cent. I was told I wouldn't be able to continue paying month by month on the line but I'm not sure about signing another agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if they denied you.
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Could you shed some lights on your conversation? eg how you started and what did they say?
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I called and went straight to retention (I can't remember if I called the usual customer support number or the 1-888 number on the bill but either way it shouldn't matter). A woman picked up and I said I'd like to cancel my cell service because of the increase in the Regulatory Charge. She asked if they were indeed raising the price so I read the "Notice of Change To Regulatory Charge" from my bill. She asked when I received notice of this and I told her it was on my current bill. She asked if there was anyone else I'd rather just transfer the line to, I said no. Somehow I ended up reading her the bold part from the second paragraph below. She asked me if I was planning on taking the number to a different carrier, I said yes. She told me the ETF would show up on my bill with a credit, the line was being disconnected (I assume at the end of the current billing cycle) and that I'd be unable to continue paying month by month on that line because of how I was canceling.
I don't recall her even talking to a supervisor. I had the following copied straight from the user agreement just in case though.
An hour later I left the Sprint store with my number, a $125 credit for leaving verizon and an HTC Evo 3D.
What Charges Are Set by Verizon Wireless?
You agree to pay all access, usage and other charges that you or the user of your wireless device incurred. For Postpay Service, our charges also include Federal Universal Service, Regulatory and Administrative Charges, and we may also include other charges related to our governmental costs. We set these charges; they aren't taxes, they aren't required by law, they are kept by us in whole or in part, and the amounts and what they pay for may change.
Can Verizon Wireless Change This Agreement or My Service?
We may change prices or any other term of your Service or this agreement at any time,but we'll provide notice first, including written notice if you have Postpay Service. If you use your Service after the change takes effect, that means you're accepting the change. If you're a Postpay customer and a change to your Plan or this agreement has a material adverse effect on you, you can cancel the line of Service that has been affected within 60 days of receiving the notice with no early termination fee.
anyone tried this and been able to open a new account with verizon for a new phone?
also, if I do that, any way I can keep my same number for an extra fee?
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anyone tried this and been able to open a new account with verizon for a new phone?
also, if I do that, any way I can keep my same number for an extra fee?
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I highly doubt you could. Think about it: You're canceling your account completely due to the increase. Then you try to open a new account?
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You could do this in a very roundabout way, particularly if you're not the primary line on a family plan.
If it's just you, they will make you wait at least 45 (that's what Sprint does) days (VZ could be 60 or even 75, I can't remember) days before you can sign up with them again.
If you want to save some $ and wait it out (when you come back in, you wouldn't be on unlimited, though), you could port your #(s) off to a prepaid carrier (Net10, TracFone, etc) and let it sit there while the waiting period runs out.
If you're planning on staying with Verizon, it's totally not worth it. If you've been looking to jump to Sprint (cheaper) or AT&T/T-Moble (LAWL), then it's a great time to do so.
Yeah, the only reason you should even consider doing this is if you'd been thinking about switching to Sprint at the end of your contract anyways (for the savings).
'Cause if you think Verizon is bad, just wait until you try AT&T or T-Mobile.
Looks like I am switching to sprint. OK to wait 2 weeks to do this, or will it be too late by then?
Evo 3d or epic 4g... Decisions, decisions...
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Looks like I am switching to sprint. OK to wait 2 weeks to do this, or will it be too late by then?
Evo 3d or epic 4g... Decisions, decisions...
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I believe you have 60 days, though I don't know the start day of that 60 day period. I think I read July 1st somewhere...
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Evo 3d or epic 4g... Decisions, decisions...
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No competition there: the Epic 4G was meant to compete with the original Evo 4G and is thoroughly outclassed by the Evo 3D (single-core 1ghz vs. dual-core 1.2ghz, 512mb vs 1gb RAM, etc.).
The Nexus S 4G, while still a 1ghz single-core/512mb RAM device, is much newer, has some extras like NFC, and is a pure Google phone (read: instant updates) so it would be a far better second option.
Does anyone know if this took effect? I know it was scheduled for July 1st, but verizon may have found a way around it does anyone have the facts?
If I could somehow use this to get an upgrade without using my new every two upgrade, that'd be awesome. But I doubt it.
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I just got off the phone with Verizon and they said I could not cancel without paying the ETF fee. Any ideas?
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I just got off the phone with Verizon and they said I could not cancel without paying the ETF fee. Any ideas?
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Did you ask to speak with a manager? Did you read the article from OP? They give plenty of pointers in the consumerist article.....
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Well I got my bill for February and what do ya know another increase in my bill. I looked over it carefully and couldn't find where the extra $ was coming from. Of course I called the "best customer support company" to see what the deal was. I was informed that due to "no reason" my "shared" plan is now split in to 2 different lines. 1st- $110 2nd- $19.99. For the last year is was $129.99 (shared). I went round and round with 2 different reps attempting to get an explanation of why they split the lines when you can not have a shared plan with only 1 line ($79.99). They basically told me how sorry they were and to pay up or leave. So now not only am I paying an extra $20 a month (2 epics) for "4G" which my area does not have but extra $ because they changed the math equation. I am sick of getting nickel-ed and dime-ed from Sprint.
I also posted on there facebook and getting quite a bit of comments from other people who are mad about the change. I guess I could leave without paying the ETF......
Old news. They will let you out of your contract with no etf due to the change in the contract. Discounts are material and contractual, regardless of what a rep tells you. Ask for a supervisor or call account services about it. If you choose not to cancel, they will issue you a one time credit for one year worth of the difference. They credited me with 80 dollars to cove the 6.75 per month difference.
If you want the number I called, let me know. Ill have to walk all the way upstairs to get it.
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"Thanks" coming your way Austin! When you are feeling ready to tackle those stairs please message me the number.
Thanks again
877-775-4886
no hold time. a real person answers.
this number has solved more problems for me than you could believe.
i even called them before i even set up my last 2 lines and told them the discount on new hardware wasnt enough to keep me and that if they would give me free phones on both new lines, i wouldnt be forced to switch to vzw. i went to the shack that day and got 2 evo3ds for 99.99 each and got a 200 dollar service credit from retentions on my next bill for adding 2 new lines.
uh, $129.99 = $110+$19.99.
the only thing that changed was how the discount was applied. Instead of it being applied to the whole 129.99, now it's only on the 110.
It increased my family bill a whole 4 dollars, or about a dollar per phone.
Still better than any other wireless carrier bill.
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uh, $129.99 = $110+$19.99.
the only thing that changed was how the discount was applied. Instead of it being applied to the whole 129.99, now it's only on the 110.
It increased my family bill a whole 4 dollars, or about a dollar per phone.
Still better than any other wireless carrier bill.
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Yeah I know its only $6 but its the nickel and dime-ing aspect....$6 here $2 service charge increase there....on and on....More money for the SAME service!
Haven't looked at my Feb bill, but mine the shared plan covered the first two lines and each additional was 20 bucks. So now they split out the second line separately as well?
i just hate that they would rather issue a bunch of credits, or cancel contract than just grandfather these things in.
no one would ***** if they said "all new customers from here on out, and for those of you who already have this, it goes till the end of the contract".
i know people who would leave over sometnig like this, but if sprint changed it in at contract renewal time, the same people would be like, oh, oh well, still cheaper than verizon.
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Haven't looked at my Feb bill, but mine the shared plan covered the first two lines and each additional was 20 bucks. So now they split out the second line separately as well?
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correct. first line is billed at 110.00 and all additional lines including the second one is 19.99.
Wow. People are so whiny. It's still a hell of a lot cheaper than Verizon or AT&T and still unlimited data (which continues to increase usage on their network constantly, thanks to rooted users tethering constantly and not paying an extra dime for it, and rooted users constantly bricking their phones and having to get replacements that Sprint can't prove was user caused, which they have to pay for, and still try to keep unlimited data, and still try to cover cost of upgrading their network, and upgrading phone OS's cause people are whiny, and launch new LTE since Wimax wasn't good enough, and a plephora of other things). So they raised your bill in an attempt to cover costs AND keep their service unlimited AND offered you the choice to cancel with no fee. Stfu, seriously.
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Wow. People are so whiny. It's still a hell of a lot cheaper than Verizon or AT&T and still unlimited data (which continues to increase usage on their network constantly, thanks to rooted users tethering constantly and not paying an extra dime for it, and rooted users constantly bricking their phones and having to get replacements that Sprint can't prove was user caused, which they have to pay for, and still try to keep unlimited data, and still try to cover cost of upgrading their network, and upgrading phone OS's cause people are whiny, and launch new LTE since Wimax wasn't good enough, and a plephora of other things). So they raised your bill in an attempt to cover costs AND keep their service unlimited AND offered you the choice to cancel with no fee. Stfu, seriously.
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Thanks for your useless input....troll
jeremyglass said:
Thanks for your useless input....troll
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I don't think it was right but his thoughts are valid
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jeremyglass said:
Thanks for your useless input....troll
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While his delivery may have been blunt, he's absolutely right. I was glad when they made that svc fee change a few months ago - it gave me the ability to cancel my contract and go to another provider that has respectable data speeds and actually has coverage in my house and place of business. If you don't like the new fee schedule, take them up on their cancellation offer and move on.
I also see your point, it sucks to be nickled and dimed to death, but all the carriers do it. Sprint is still the cheapest nationwide carrier in most scenarios.
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Thanks for your useless input....troll
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His input was useful to me..
Maybe I wasn't all sweet and cuddly about it, but providing valid info isn't trolling. If anything "your" trolling Sprint. It's ridiculous to think it's Sprint's responsibility to absorb all cost of what they "try" to do for their customers, and additionally absorb all cost of customers who rip them off on a daily basis. They are doing their best and being reasonably fair about it.
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I get frustrated with the incremental increases as well. But then I just compare my bill to ATT and VZW, and I'm a long way from those types of prices. I've had my FS1500 plan with 4 smartphones for a long time. When you add in all the stuff that's included at no extra charge from Sprint, I'm still saving over $1500 a year.
Frustrated: yes. Leaving: not on your life.
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Once upon a time the discount applied to the whole bill. Then it didn't apply to the phone ins. Then it only applied to first two lines. Now it applies to only 1 line. Then they put in the phoney 4g charge. Then it turned into a smartphone charge not just 4g. (Most all phones are smartphones according to sprint). All the while the service has degraded substantialy along with the customer service. Sorry..mini rant
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Last I checked, Sprint discounts only applied to items over a certain price limit. It's around $40-$50. It's been that way throughout the life of my contract. If you got discounts on your extra lines, which are indeed addon charges, you're lucky.
Andsamp is right. My corporate discount used to apply to the whole bill, now just to the primary. However, I've been on Sprint for 13 years, and have been on many different plans. The application of the discounts has changed with the plans, and over time.
I also would not be surprised if the application of the discount was different depending what company it was for. They generally work the same, but there may be some differences.
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Wow. People are so whiny.
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Lol look who's talking.
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Ok sooo its $6-10 more a month.... Yea it adds up. But eat 1 less fast food meal a month and bam a extra $6-10.
I got that letter in the mail with my bill a while back. Couldn't help but laugh. It's corporate america screwing people over as usual.
Order of financial life: Work> get $$$> spend $$$. Repeat.
If your trying to live beyond your financial means then it's your fault. Suck it up or move on.
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