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donating or selling are they the same ??

wow i carnt post about the jig offer because they at xda keep deleting my threads whats that all about then, and whats the differance with donate and selling c**p. Just because i send it via a package they say no selling, what is donate then, selling or donating your services.:

The donation must be voluntary.

Also this should be in the General section.

Well.. In my case:
I provide Voltage Control application for free;
however some volunteers donated money to me voluntarily, making voluntary donation
Donation is like: you can get the product, no matter if you pay or not.
Selling is like: you can get the product, but you MUST pay for it sooner or later.
Hope it is all clear now

Why not "send" ppl a jig only if they "donate"
Fyi this should go in general.

I can understand where you are coming from. You are just trying to help out the community. If you are selling for a profit, then it is taboo in this forum, and go against the very essence of the spirit of Xda.
Ask yourself this, if you are the one, will you allow this?
Just my 2 cents.
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If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.

SkinBobUk said:
Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.

Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.

Benjamin Dobell said:
Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.
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Exactly. I agree - and i dont see the same vehemence in people encouraging donations to the devels who work so hard that i see in people protesting against soliciting money.

ragin said:
If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.
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You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.
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ok thanks for all replys, origionally i sent an email to xda asking them if i could have a sticky and every sale i would give xda 50p donation which also gives them some support. was i wrong.
As 1 of the readers posted, the parts do cost. At the moment it is quite hard to find the micro USB plugs which are costing roughly between £1.50 and £2.50 locally. The resisters work out at 42p each and there are 2 of them. 1 is a 300k and the other is a 1k. Also the heat sinc tubing is costing about 20p per plug. Then there is the solder, the electric, petrol to fetch the items and finally the postage that works at £1.00. Therefore the is no profit, not to mention that my time to make them is FREE.
All I wanted to do is to support XDA with a donation of 50p for every one sold and help people with illness or bad eyesight or just not the ability to recover their phones with out having to send it back to the service department because of a lack of knowledge in electronics.
P.S. Selecting the wrong pins on the plugs when soldering could potentially wreck your phone and I think it is really courageous of people with no electronic experience to try and do this.
Thanks for all you replys and support. Let's hope XDA support this and give people the chance to support XDA with their donation.

i also believe that because this site is very public and people are free to download the roms it all sounds very easy and things can and will go wrong from time to time.
lets have a safety net.

Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.

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Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.
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who's moaning, i realy dont mind putting them out somewhere else, just trying to put a safety net in the same place as the roms. But do other people think there should be this option.
and why do you care anyway who am i to you.

Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......

ok what i have asked xda is, if people send me the parts with a return envolope i will assemble it and then return it, with donations wecome if you like my work.
this is a free service with no commitment to give me anything.

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Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......
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great minds think alike

I've got a better idea.
I don't know how much your selling these for but lets just say £5
I think you should charge £7.50
The £2.50 is a donation to XDA developers to continue running the site, and then you cover your costs.
Personally speaking, I could get these manufactured in bulk for peanuts if you wanted just PM me and i'll do the work - they will be coming from China though...

Motorola Bootloader Petition (>10K sigs & Moto Response)

Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
New Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unlock-Motorola/115620798518187
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.​
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.​
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.​
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.

If this much effort was put into ROM tweaking we wouldn't need the bootloader unlocked.

rocko73 said:
If this much effort was put into ROM tweaking we wouldn't need the bootloader unlocked.
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Well, since my development skill is negligible (i'm more of an advanced user), I thought I'd contribute the only way I knew how.

Sorry, crappy day, shouldn't have posted it. I too wish they would listen to the masses.

Signed!
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Signed!
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Cheers, love the signature for your above post.

What would be the possibility of creating an app like [email protected] that can share the load and distribute a brute force hacking attempt?
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deathbysnoosnoo said:
What would be the possibility of creating an app like [email protected] that can share the load and distribute a brute force having attempt?
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Could happen, but the 2 key Devs on the Atrix at the moment are looking at bypassing rather than breaking the bootloader.
They have both admitted to not knowing much about Cryptography.

You do know that there about half a dozen of these petitions already circulating.
They get some steam everytime there is an 'event' surrounding the bootloader, and then they die out just as quickly.
Rather than repeating the cycle, how about 'SEARCHING' for one of the other threads/petitions, and breathe some life into it.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
You do know that there about half a dozen of these petitions already circulating.
They get some steam everytime there is an 'event' surrounding the bootloader, and then they die out just as quickly.
Rather than repeating the cycle, how about 'SEARCHING' for one of the other threads/petitions, and breathe some life into it.
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I appreciate the feedback. I did make sure to reference the other significant petition in the Droid X forum, unfortunately the petition on the other one is through an outdated site and Groubal isn't just a petition, once enough interest has been shown for a particular complaint, they have a group that will personally get involved.
Not sure how effective it will be, just thought it was a good approach.

SIGNED! We shall prevail!

Wanna bet?

Thanks for starting this. Signed.

Signed. it is a shame motorola tried so hard to secure something rather than improve it to its fullest potential.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Wanna bet?
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Lol no not really.

mattmartin77 said:
Signed. it is a shame motorola tried so hard to secure something rather than improve it to its fullest potential.
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Agreed.
I don't care if I have to sign a legal release accepting that my phone is no longer covered under warranty, just as long as I can unlock my phone.

Exactly. Thus chalk up another signature.
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Any idea how many signatures we would need to get some attention?
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Any idea how many signatures we would need to get some attention?
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I think around the 1000 mark, Groubal themselves will get involved. If you look at their home page, you will see that the 2 leading Groubals on there marked "Company Response" had around 1100.
AT&T even committed to the HSUPA fix in April. Not sure how much of that was a direct result of Groubal, but it's all very promising.
That's why I strongly encourage everyone to share this as much as they can.
Even if you're cynical, you spend just as much time discounting this than spreading it.
Consider all the other forums and social mediums you use and get it out there.

Ok guys, we now have nearly 800 signatures, nearly 500 in one night alone.
Keep up the great work everyone, this wouldn't be going anywhere without your support.
Sent from my Atrix (in Australia)

Let's make a big campaign to get JB's kernel for Atrix!

Hello guys,
Recently Motorola canceled ICS update for Atrix, but i'm wondering: did they started the dev and left middle way, or did nothing at all? If they stopped middle way, we might be able to use they kernel (it's what we need right now), and that would be awesome.
Ofc, Motorola won't release them easily. But what if we ask? What if we make a campaign on social networks and Android websites, and make it really loud? I'm sure i saw this happening for other stuffs, so why not our phone?
My idea is pretty simple:
We setup a hotsite with a simple message and users just have to click on the button referent to his social network to share the campaign. On Twitter, we can mention Motorola's profile, to be sure they are hearing us.
I already have the template ready, and it looks kinda like this: http://takemymoneyhbo.com/tweetit.php
I also have a VPS with Nginx + microcache, PHP-FPM and APC ready to go, so it's able to handle a big spikes of traffic (Digg/Reddit effect). What i need right now is the domain and, ofc, the message to be posted on social networks and on the hotsite itself.
We also would need to think about a name for this campaign (the name of the domain). Like i said, server is ready, template is ready, we only need the messages and a domain, since i can't pay for that at the moment.
As an alternative, we could also use this idea to get JB officially, but i think most of us would install a custom ROM anyway.
List of suggested domains so far:
icanhasdrivers.com
icanhasics.com
retakemotoatrix.com
myphonecanhasICS.com
weonlyneedyourkernel.com
updatemymoto.com (the chosen one)
What do you guys think? Worth doing it? Anyone up to pay for the domain? I will setup a donation button, if anyone is up for paying a domain, just donate
EDIT: The name of the campaign will be Update My Moto! The message for the hotsite and how it looks, can be see here: http://i48.tinypic.com/51eb95.png
As soon as we get the domain, i will close this thread and create a official one for the campaign. Let's rock guys!
Obs: sorry for my English.

might work if you also include other way to file a complaint against moto like via BBB. Motorola might not care about us when we complain to them but moto might care about losing the BBB accreditation. So include other methods like that.

Deafcyclist said:
might work if you also include other way to file a complaint against moto like via BBB. Motorola might not care about us when we complain to them but moto might care about losing the BBB accreditation. So include other methods like that.
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You can count me in on making as much noise as we can on the matter.

I think it is worth trying. I doubt we would succeed. But worth trying anyway.
So all you need is a domain? No hosting account?
What about:
icanhasdrivers.com or icanhasics.com

upndwn4par said:
I think it is worth trying. I doubt we would succeed. But worth trying anyway.
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Why you doubt it will succeed? I can try to get it on Gizmodo and lots of other bug websites, since i myself own a big Ubuntu website at Brazil. I think we can make this get pretty big, and Motorola would end up listening.
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So all you need is a domain? No hosting account?
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Yes. We need to come up with a good name for the campaign and a good domain. I also need someone to pay for the domain, since with all the servers i already pay and other stuffs, i'm pretty much out of money haha
Oh, we also need a message that cause impact.
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What about:
icanhasdrivers.com or icanhasics.com
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Added to the suggestion list
Deafcyclist said:
might work if you also include other way to file a complaint against moto like via BBB. Motorola might not care about us when we complain to them but moto might care about losing the BBB accreditation. So include other methods like that.
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What is "BBB"? I'm sorry, don't think i know it. But as long as it have a share-able link, i'm able to add it.

julian_fern said:
Why you doubt it will succeed? I can try to get it on Gizmodo and lots of other bug websites, since i myself own a big Ubuntu website at Brazil. I think we can make this get pretty big, and Motorola would end up listening.
Yes. We need to come up with a good name for the campaign and a good domain. I also need someone to pay for the domain, since with all the servers i already pay and other stuffs, i'm pretty much out of money haha
Oh, we also need a message that cause impact.
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What is "BBB"? I'm sorry, don't think i know it. But as long as it have a share-able link, i'm able to add it.
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"BBB" Stands for the Better Business Bureau. It's a consumer agency that takes complaints and helps direct it at the appropriate place. They work with the company and consumer to resolve the dispute. They cover businesses ranging from carpet cleaning to food to cell phone companies. Some companies tout their high rating with the BBB, like a report card, so they value it staying high.

How about retakemotoatrix.com or nomoremotofail.com

I kinda like the ring to "RetakeMotoAtrix"
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Lugaidster said:
How about retakemotoatrix.com or nomoremotofail.com
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we need to gather more moto users (photon, etc)
myphonecanhasICS
icanhasics.com --> the best so far

Vote me in. I have already tweeted with hashtag #motofail

Anything with "icanhas" it's too meme-ish to be taken seriously, IMO.
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I doubt Motofail will care about all the noise.

http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-update-my-phone

I'm sick and tired of these corporations/companies walking all over dedicated customers and getting away with it, so you can count me in as well. Even if we don't succeed, I'd be glad to get back at this lying, backstabbing company with some negative publicity.

I don't think it will work because big corporations are stupid. They look at us and think they have only pissed off a few thousand users. They forget that people like us tend to be tech support/advisers for our friends and family.
I agree with jhonnyx that we will need support from other device groups too. I know the Photon got screwed, but what other devices? It would be helpful to post in their forums as well. This should also not be limited to xda. There are many other forums as well. Maybe once we get a little more organized. This will have to be a huge effort to succeed.
This campaign will also have to be clean and catchy. Nothing related to motofail. Motorola will never draw attention or succumb to anything like this.

Why not motoupgwanted... That way it could be used for more then just us?
All you need is domain? Cost what $10 a year, why not set up donation button I'm sure you can get 20 of us to give .50 cents (cost est)
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I have already submitted the following post in the usual Atrix ICS thread but I thought it would be useful in this tread as well.
"Just wanted to provide another pointer as to why it is possible to take legal actions and possibly criminal prosecution, in countries where it applies, against Google/Motorola. Security fixes, rather the lack of, from GB 2.3.4 to JB 4.0.1. You want to remember the latest security flaw in Android about a crafted web page that can wipe Android phones without a possibility to recover the lost data.
Why Atrix users should be left without the security fixes and how Google will propose a solution?"
Furthermore to what I have said in above I am certain that only a legal campaign will solve this problem, anything else would be waste of energy.
We already have enough valid technical reasons to argue the case but we need members with legal expertise in matters like this. In my opinion launching two legal precedents, one in Europe and the other in USA, would get us to a proper settlement. Please remember this is not really about just Atrix whereas about two corporates that ripped off consumers without a shame in bright day light.

Hey Motorola, just give us the drivers we want, and step away from the Atrix!
Seriously, is that too much to ask?

Count me in.
However, I also don't believe Moto will deliver. But if we can make some bad publicity to them, let's do it. They deserve it.
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Anything with "icanhas" it's too meme-ish to be taken seriously, IMO.
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... I agree.

Im in and also i wrote in the photon forum.
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Let the 8.1 RT hacking start anew!

Today, a couple posts in this thread gave me an idea...
jimmng said:
how about a 1k reward for 8.1 jailbreak?
community needs a bit of a push.
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mkwhater said:
lol are you going to donate that 1k?
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I haven't checked if starting this "project" on XDA would go against any forum rules, but let me try this...
Let's offer a crowd-funded "reward" to the first hacker who comes up with a WORKING jailbreak for Windows RT 8.1. It doesn't have to be "pretty" or polished, just good enough to provide the same functions as the 8.0 jailbreak!
As far as amassing the reward, I would need suggestions to keep it transparent and really entice all these devs and hackers out there...
What do you guys think??

TRSHD said:
Today, a couple posts in this thread gave me an idea...
I haven't checked if starting this "project" on XDA would go against any forum rules, but let me try this...
Let's offer a crowd-funded "reward" to the first hacker who comes up with a WORKING jailbreak for Windows RT 8.1. It doesn't have to be "pretty" or polished, just good enough to provide the same functions as the 8.0 jailbreak!
As far as amassing the reward, I would need suggestions to keep it transparent and really entice all these devs and hackers out there...
What do you guys think??
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Agreed.
I vow to put $50usd up

I like the idea, but I don't think it would help much. People have been working on this for months. Maybe you can convince them to work a little harder, but it's not like this is going to take the place of our day jobs ($1000 US is less than I make in one week, after taxes, for example; I've already put in more than 40 hours of effort myself and I'm far from the most as the majority of my effort goes to WP8).
For bounties like this to be effective, they need to either be large enough to motivate people to work on a long-term project when they would otherwise work on other things (possibly even on other paying activities), or the bounties need to be for small things that people can do in a few days max. As proposed, this is neither.
Don't get me wrong, if I could drop $50 to make a JB magically appear, I'd do it too. But, that's not how research works. Putting money into it - even "real" money, which this is not - doesn't guarantee faster results. It doesn't even guarantee *eventual* success; in this case I'm confident that we'll get it eventually, butI can't actually promise that.

I agree completely with GoodDayToDie, another problem isnt the money but some of the concepts are hard for us to wrap our heads around... Which means more time needs to be dedicated...

I understand your point, GoodDayToDie. This is the exact reason why I started this thread. If I could write code and understand the basics of hacking, I'd work on this myself. Unfortunately, I'm only a very advanced "end-user" that really can't wait for that JB.
As for the monetary compensation, your input is very appreciated. It's also why I didn't mention a specific amount for now. I just thought I should get that discussion going.
BTW, thank you for any and all time you dedicate to the JB!!
GoodDayToDie said:
I like the idea, but I don't think it would help much. People have been working on this for months. Maybe you can convince them to work a little harder, but it's not like this is going to take the place of our day jobs ($1000 US is less than I make in one week, after taxes, for example; I've already put in more than 40 hours of effort myself and I'm far from the most as the majority of my effort goes to WP8).
For bounties like this to be effective, they need to either be large enough to motivate people to work on a long-term project when they would otherwise work on other things (possibly even on other paying activities), or the bounties need to be for small things that people can do in a few days max. As proposed, this is neither.
Don't get me wrong, if I could drop $50 to make a JB magically appear, I'd do it too. But, that's not how research works. Putting money into it - even "real" money, which this is not - doesn't guarantee faster results. It doesn't even guarantee *eventual* success; in this case I'm confident that we'll get it eventually, butI can't actually promise that.
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Great idea!
What about to start project on kickstarter? (where everyone can donate what he can). I guess there are will be much more than 1K.
I think we can call it "extending" Surface 2 functionality.

Double-check whether KS (or any of the other crowdfunding sites) support such bounty projects. It's not usually how they're used and there may be a reason for that. I'd tend to say that doing it right on XDA isn't a great idea anyhow. There probably is a better option that you could link to from here, though.

That was my initial idea, I just don't think the 30-day timeframe is realistic. I'm still looking for an alternative that doesn't require a set date but that's still as transparent...
fakevs said:
Great idea!
What about to start project on kickstarter? (where everyone can donate what he can). I guess there are will be much more than 1K.
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Ok, I found two interesting alternatives: RocketHub and Quirky
Any suggestions?
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Double-check whether KS (or any of the other crowdfunding sites) support such bounty projects. It's not usually how they're used and there may be a reason for that. I'd tend to say that doing it right on XDA isn't a great idea anyhow. There probably is a better option that you could link to from here, though.
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The suggestion wasn't "don't use KS", it was "make sure the site you use allows this kind of 'bounty' project". That still holds. I don't personally use much crowdfunding; I can't really recommend one site over another.

oooo this is good, I reckon something like kickstarter would work indeed. At least developers will be able to allocate more time than they are now, time is money my friends.

... I don't know what kind of job you have, but that's not how most jobs in the software world work. I[m salaried; I can't just ask for fewer hours because I have some other project to work on. That's even assuming that the other project (jailbreaking RT 8.1) paid out at all; maybe somebody else gets it first and I have nothing for that time? Maybe nobody ever manages it, and the money sits and languishes while we spend time on things that (according to you) we could be spending on something that makes money instead? Maybe (this one is actually really common) we have good jobs that pay well, but consume enough of our time that we don't *want* to spend our free time on something that feels like work?
A bounty project might get people to work on this when they might otherwise work on some other hobby or research. This would be valuable, and may be worth establishing a bounty for. But trust me, it's not going to make them "able to allocate more time than they are now". Not for something with no income while working and no guarantee of payout at the end. That's just not how the world works.

Sprint device tree bounty

Hello.... I'm starting this thread to set up a bounty for a working device tree.. For the sprint note 4..I am lacking in time to create one myself but have all the experience and ability to use it... So figured I'd offer a bounty to anyone willing to create us a working device tree to use to build Roms from source.... What I'm wanting is a tree that I can build cm and aosp based Roms from.... I'm not asking for Roms I'm asking for a tree that works that I can use to build the Roms myself as well as others.....
If interested in chipping in please list the amount and I'll add your name to the list..... Please Only people who are actually going to donate when/if the time comes ..
Thanks
Bounty:
spleef : $75
Herk718 : $20
Total: $95

@Herk718 $20

I understand the intention here, but I've always found that bounties immediately move work into closed repos, discourages collaboration, and raises questions about who gets the $ if for example, someone gets it 99% there but someone else jumps in for the last step. Will the bounty be split among all collaborators? Will you award the authors of any device repo you fork from? (It's turtles all the way down)
If you want development in the open and people helping each other to get your goal, consider not having a bounty as it's almost never the primary motivator for this kind of work... And often works against what you want. I can tell you personally... My experience with the nook tablet and bounties from a company that wanted to sell the port was pathetic. People were constantly hitting me up on irc and in PM for help, and stealing each others work, and making tiny changes to claim the bounty. Go back and read the forums for acclaim...
Or, look up what happened with the HP Touchpad, which is even more egregious... That fiasco made it to the blogosphere... But the code was flat out stolen and the irc logs pretty jaw dropping.
This is a MUCH smaller project, but still...

fattire said:
I understand the intention here, but I've always found that bounties immediately move work into closed repos, discourages collaboration, and raises questions about who gets the $ if for example, someone gets it 99% there but someone else jumps in for the last step. Will the bounty be split among all collaborators? Will you award the authors of any device repo you fork from? (It's turtles all the way down)
If you want development in the open and people helping each other to get your goal, consider not having a bounty as it's almost never the primary motivator for this kind of work... And often works against what you want. I can tell you personally... My experience with the nook tablet and bounties from a company that wanted to sell the port was pathetic. People were constantly hitting me up on irc and in PM for help, and stealing each others work, and making tiny changes to claim the bounty. Go back and read the forums for acclaim...
Or, look up what happened with the HP Touchpad, which is even more egregious... That fiasco made it to the blogosphere... But the code was flat out stolen and the irc logs pretty jaw dropping.
This is a MUCH smaller project, but still...
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@fattire
I do understand where you are coming from...these bounties most always end badly where someone does exactly as you described but let me try to ease some of your doubts....
What I'm looking for is for a person or team to step forward... Then after a discussion with them I'll add their name to the op as being the person doing the task.... Now no matter who else jumps in or steals code the money will only go to the person or team that I've talked with and is listed in the op..... So far as money split.... I would... during our discussion prior to having someone accept the task... And listing them as accepting the project talk this over and have it all mapped out as who gets what. What I'm expecting... What they're expecting.. The whole nines... Now these type of situations have a tendency of folks saying I'll donate then don't... If that were to be the case I'll donate the full amount myself... To address the closed repo.... I have a github account and have had one for years as well as being an XDA member for ages.... With a very good reputation.... My account on github is open and always will be... The idea here is to have a source for the public not just me...I have no intention on making anything private or closed source...... My only intentions are too get a device tree that we can use to build cm and aosp based roms from source... The idea of the bounty is solely to draw attention and offer a incentive to someone who is interested, willing, and able to provide us with the tree... I hope I've cleared up at least a little of your worries/doubts....And to be perfectly honest ...I hope that you and slayher accept the task... If you need to further discuss anything please feel free to contact me...I have several ways of doing so listed in my profile but I'll go ahead and list my hangouts info... [email protected]

Enjoy. https://github.com/slayher/android_device_samsung_trltespr

slayher said:
Enjoy. https://github.com/slayher/android_device_samsung_trltespr
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Whoa... He's a wizard.
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Slayer gets my donation he and always will be the captain
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@slayher
Nicely done...I understand its a wip but using this I will be able to build? And will you continue to fix it up as things progress or is this a here it is I'm done sort of thing?

I dont have one, so will be happy to take input. It *should* build though. Just need to setup trltespr props

slayher said:
I dont have one, so will be happy to take input. It *should* build though. Just need to setup trltespr props
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Willing to give u my wifes with a bad esn cause she thought she lost it
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I am fine with that, but its hard to test mms/sms calls etc with a bad esn.

I can be the guinea pig. Yaaay.

Slather I have N910R4 USC. I can build test for our variant. Thanks for helping us out.
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Slather I have N910R4 USC. I can build test for our variant. Thanks for helping us out.
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Heh I came to post that Slayher started a repo but there ya go.. guess he posted it already No worries on the bounty thing-- I've just seen it go bad before... it was a cluster****. That was a 3-month project tho.. this shouldn't be anything like that.

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Heh I came to post that Slayher started a repo but there ya go.. guess he posted it already No worries on the bounty thing-- I've just seen it go bad before... it was a cluster****. That was a 3-month project tho.. this shouldn't be anything like that.
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Well I'll still donate my promised portion will do it today.... Thanks a bunch i have the weekend off so I'll be attempting to build once i get off work today
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I dont have one, so will be happy to take input. It *should* build though. Just need to setup trltespr props
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Good deal can't thank you enough.... Am going to try using it after work toda... Mind if I get your hangouts info makes things much easier to communicate if something goes funky
I'm going to close this thread today since the tree is in place we no longer need it guys can post in the cm12 thread here in the general section until I get the build uploaded then will create a thread in development section.... Thanks again @slayher @fattire y'all are outstanding.... Very glad to have people like you in the xda