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NAND Flash for Android!! For Real?

Anyone seen this thread in the polaris forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625200
They claim to have working ROM to flash directly to NAND for a few devices. (Not Blackstone though) So can a Android Blackstone ROM be far out?

to be honest this flash is pretty pointless until android has got rid of the bug that keeps causing it not to wake up because once thats fixed it will be stable enough to use as a rom but for the moment there not much point in it except for proof of concept

Yes, but this seems like a HUGE move forward. Some have said there would never be a flashable ROM for Android on WinMo phones, or at least a long time out.

slaming said:
to be honest this flash is pretty pointless until android has got rid of the bug that keeps causing it not to wake up because once thats fixed it will be stable enough to use as a rom but for the moment there not much point in it except for proof of concept
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It's far from pointless, it's now the way forward for the kaiser, polaris and vogue Android users, yes it's still in development, yes there are still issues, but it's yet another step to a single flashable nbh based system for ROM installation, thanks to this method we now have working gps, wifi, sleep, lower battery drain and faster systems than we did 2 months ago.
Yes there is still a lot of work to be done, but the progress over the last months has been outstanding.
Don't know if anyone is working on a Nand flashable installer for the Blackstone or not, but I think it's only a matter of time.

zenity said:
It's far from pointless, it's now the way forward for the kaiser, polaris and vogue Android users, yes it's still in development, yes there are still issues, but it's yet another step to a single flashable nbh based system for ROM installation, thanks to this method we now have working gps, wifi, sleep, lower battery drain and faster systems than we did 2 months ago.
Yes there is still a lot of work to be done, but the progress over the last months has been outstanding.
Don't know if anyone is working on a Nand flashable installer for the Blackstone or not, but I think it's only a matter of time.
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if like you said sleep is working it is worth flashing, i suppose i am constantly using android and am reseting every time it crashes but for some users this isn't viable at all

It's still experimental, I use it flashed for experimenting with, but it's still not stable enough for the average user, i carry an sd with a rom image if i really need to reflash back to winmo.
however it's in active development, and is getting more useable all the time.

zenity said:
It's still experimental, I use it flashed for experimenting with, but it's still not stable enough for the average user, i carry an sd with a rom image if i really need to reflash back to winmo.
however it's in active development, and is getting more useable all the time.
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this is really really exciting stuff how long do you think until this will be availible for the average user and if you need some more testers for this shot me a pm on how to do this and i will be more than willing

just been reading through that thread and by the looks of this flashing it onto your device seems to be much more stable people have been able to et gps working, but i'm confused whats the difference between a nand flash and a normal flash because from what i've been reading it seems as if you have to flash something then do the rest on your device. but i am looking into this and when i understand it, if its possible (with a few mods) i will flash on to touch hd, but from what i understand atm it doesn't seem possible its all just waiting for the devs atm

com'on theres gotta be some dev out there working on this is so please contact me i wonna help.

Ive heard by a friend that they have sucsessfully flased a iPhone with android. Can anyone confirm this? This is all i could find using our friend google

la3bna said:
Ive heard by a friend that they have sucsessfully flased a iPhone with android. Can anyone confirm this? This is all i could find using our friend google
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this wouldn't surprise me much but would also surprise me as well at the same time firstly due to the fact that android is taking over iphone os very rapidly and in my opinion for at least me i think it is far superior due to editabiltyconfused and things like that but i would be a bit surprised as this is apple and they really do lock there devices down alot, i mean i am typing this from a mac and i love it and i personally have never need windows on it and will never need it but it kinda seems quite unlikely if there aren't any videos or anything on youtube.

Which Android ROM? Opinions/Reasons

I want to start out that I know there is a "guide" on the different ROMS.
But I want real reasons/thoughts on the different Android Roms available for our HD2s, and not have to go through 5 million posts.
What do you use daily and why, and your thoughts on the ROM?
Thanks.

papabear said:
I want to start out that I know there is a "guide" on the different ROMS.
But I want real reasons/thoughts on the different Android Roms available for our HD2s, and not have to go through 5 million posts.
What do you use daily and why, and your thoughts on the ROM?
Thanks.
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Good luck. Everytime someone asks this question they get the same answer. Haha.

Indeed...and here it is...there is no "best" Android build, only what is best for you. Each one is different, and no person's opinion should make you go for one build over another, as each persons situation is different. THE advice to you, is to download a few, read like there is no tomorrow, and try a bunch until you find the one that works best for your needs.

I am aware there is no "best" ROM. I ws just asking what people's opinions/thoughts on the ROM(s) they use daily. I have nothing against trying different ROMS and have read about some at this point I would like something with decent fuunctionlity, esy on the battery and properly working wifi.
I am currently running Sergo's core droid v0.6, my only issues with it so far is wifi does not work, after a couple inutes the touchscreen is non responsive and I have to put it to sleep and back on to get it to work again.
So as stated I want to know how people like their current ROMS, not which one is best.

(Solved using CM7) Finding a ROM where everything I WANT works doesn't seem to exist

Problem Solved. Running CM7 Build 40 (or later).

Do you have a condensed version of this post?
PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.

Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.

I use Fresh and can do everything that I read (didn't read the entire wall though, you may want to put in some Cliff notes for the lazy.)
I also run launcher pro.

So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.

Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...

It sounds like you want a rom that does what you want and the good news is...you can get it by making it yourself.
Expecting the devs to make something specifically to your tastes especially when most of it is done free of charge is a bit much to be asking.
If you can't make the rom you like on your own then you had better get cracking at fixing the rom with most of your wants working. You said so yourself you are too lazy to fix even a simple font issue yet you want the devs to make all your "i wants" possible. You should at least put in the effort to try to fix the little stuff (font for example) on your own before expecting the devs to do everything for you.

mswlogo said:
I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file

CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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I don't think his ROM would solve many of my issues any way. If I see a ROM "Over themed" then tend to have different priorities. And I don't want to spend time customizing it. I want one that starts close. Also if the doesn't see this a serious flaw then I suspect I would see other flaws.
Again, nothing against different chefs. Different strokes for different folks.

mswlogo said:
I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part

carhauler1969 said:
Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...
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I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.

CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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Also sense based Contacts is one of my major issues.
My favorite ROMs are the Hybrids that have some ASOP Gingerbread components that IMHO do it a little better even though not as Eye Candy-ish in some cases.

mswlogo said:
I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.
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it is the kernel that matters for bluetooth.

i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7

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Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.
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Lot of people with broken hardware then because I've seen many of the issues posted by other folks. In fact co-worked has rooted Droid II and he has some very similar issues. Only hardware that may have issues is my headset. But it worked perfect on TP2.
Part of the problems are Froyo 2.2 and some stupid limitation in Google Apps. Which is why I like Hybrid ROMs that have some Gingerbread 2.3 compoents that address some issues.
Full Gingerbread 2.3 ROMs are not ready for prime time yet (for me). I look forward to an official release.

BK553 said:
So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.
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I might, I used Calkulins Kitchen for TP2 and stuck with the same ROM for 7 or so months. But it did take months of F'in around with it to know what works well with what.
Trying to avoid that time sink. By the time I get it "right" Gingerbread 2.3 will probably be out and solve many issues.

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I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part
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Thanks I had that on my list to look at.

CheesyNutz said:
i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7
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Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
Stock battery life is fine with me.
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.

mswlogo said:
Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
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Last I checked it does work, maybe not how you want it to exactly, but work it does
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
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QQ
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
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I'll address this in a bit
Stock battery life is fine with me.
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Then run stock...
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.
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How did the phone fall flat on its face? GPS issues?
Basically what you're doing is you're "customering" the developers. You're wanting to take the best pieces of all of them and automagically jam pack them into one ROM completely tailored to your needs. The only way this is going to happen is if you dive in and start helping or you build your own ROM. This post would have served much better purposes had you asked if anyone knows of a ROM that does all of these functions instead of going out and slamming each ROM for what it doesn't have. Each dev is going to take their own work their own way and that's the end of the story. If you don't like it, you have a few options, do your own work or quit your *****ing. There are a lot of things that I would LOVE to see in CM but until I bust out my coding chops or start adding to the development table, there's not much I can really do except thank him for his work, donate, and be happy that there are a ton of people out there donating their time to making this **** better.

I've been having the same problem. Calkulin's is the closest I have come

HELP IMPROVE FUTURE WP7 ROM DEVELOPMENt BY DISCUSSING PROS AND CONS TO BUILDS!!!!!

To start off with I am impressed with some of the newer builds of the wp7 os on hd2 as they have included the hd7 phone id built into rom making the Chevron mod very simple, but there are few more issues
1 there are many issues with live services even after u input os key
2 there are errors when it come to communicating with live services to download apps
3 phone still restart many times and will some times go into what i call a dead sleep ( its where phone goes into standby and will not go back into unlock screen) you have to wait 3-4 minutes and even then u r lucky if u don't have to pull out battery and reset phone.
4 although newer builds often allow u to have more unregistered apps working they still have communication issues with wifi/network
5. camera is working on some builds but after picture is taken it comes out a bit green
The point for this thread is for u to post your links to your favorite builds of the wp7 and help future development buy discussing pros and cons to different builds

my fav build
[19 Feb][ROM] blackSideSeven v1.2.7004
LINK: http://hotfile.com/dl/106013534/837ae7f/elMInStER.blackSideSeven.1.2.7004.rar.html
rom has built in Chevron
and phone id is HD7
when u install language is in Polish so just change it to English or what ever language u want
I have had more luck with this build than any other one i have used it is much less buggie than the other builds i have tried, if u don't mind changing the language give this rom a try

All the builds are more or less the same at this point, this thread is completley useless. Future rom dev is helped by replying to the devs topics with issues etc.
I have none of teh issues you have, everything worked fine and no restarts. The green issue though is a well known bug.
PS. How has the rom got a built in "kitchen" , A kitchen is what is used to build a rom, So im confused on how the rom could have a kitchen built in?

TheATHEiST said:
All the builds are more or less the same at this point, this thread is completley useless. Future rom dev is helped by replying to the devs topics with issues etc.
I have none of teh issues you have, everything worked fine and no restarts. The green issue though is a well known bug.
PS. How has the rom got a built in "kitchen" , A kitchen is what is used to build a rom, So im confused on how the rom could have a kitchen built in?
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+1.... I completely agree.
The only difference between roms right now is the lockscreen and maybe a theme color or 2. They all have same tweaks and features.
I think a lot of the issues that the op is having sounds like they may be cause by a sd card that wp7 doesn't like... try using a different sd card. Class 2 or 4 sandisk are usually good.

zarathustrax said:
+1.... the only difference between roms right now is the lockscreen and maybe a theme color or 2. They all have same tweaks and features.
I think a lot of the issues that the op is having sounds like they may be cause by a sd card that wp7 doesn't like... try using a different sd card. Class 2 or 4 sandisk are usually good.
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I meant to say chevronWP7 sorry, i had a long day...

TheATHEiST said:
All the builds are more or less the same at this point, this thread is completley useless. Future rom dev is helped by replying to the devs topics with issues etc.
I have none of teh issues you have, everything worked fine and no restarts. The green issue though is a well known bug.
Okay look the point to this thread is for people to simply discuss roms they like and give quick links to rom ect.. yes people can simply reply on the actual developers threads, but the point to this is for people to discuss what the like and dont like about different roms without having to go to the various threads, so this is not a useless thread... And yes the green cam is a well know bug but, all i was doing was stating some of the most common bugs, and although u may not have some of the other ones im sure there are people out there who experience the same ones
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pretty much everything on your list is SD card related and effects all ROMs if you have a dodgy card, available ROMs are just clones of the original release with a few mods which they all use, the reason for this is its virtually impossible to make the same kind of changes as in android or WM..
the green tint on camera is a driver issue, which can not be solved with cooks, the market place issues are largely SD related but the freeze is very much a MS bug, the main battery issue which you didnt mention is driver related
im not saying this thread has no point, but i am saying your a bit too early,
but in the spirit of the thread
Dont bother with any other rom just now, there is no point with patches just around the corner that no one on here is capable of using, other than the DFT team, many of the bugs on these other roms were created only after the rom was fiddled with in the first place, however, if your not capable of following the instructions and installing the DFT release than use one of the newer ones as its much much easier

darkowler said:
Okay look the point to this thread is for people to simply discuss roms they like and give quick links to rom ect.. yes people can simply reply on the actual developers threads, but the point to this is for people to discuss what the like and dont like about different roms without having to go to the various threads, so this is not a useless thread... And yes the green cam is a well know bug but, all i was doing was stating some of the most common bugs, and although u may not have some of the other ones im sure there are people out there who experience the same ones
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There are no pros and cons to the different roms because they are all the same... same build, same tweaks... only difference is maybe lockscreen and theme colors. Thats why there is no point to a thread like this yet... not until there is a difference between roms.
Also, if your phone is restarting and having issues with it going to sleep like you said, that is caused by using a sd card not compatible with wp7. Many of your other problems are probably also caused by that. Try a different SD card. Anyone having problems with the phone restarting ever or any lag or freezing should try a different sd card. Problems like that are not from specific roms... like I said, all the roms work pretty much exactly the same.

darkowler said:
To start off with I am impressed with some of the newer builds of the wp7 os on hd2 as they have included the hd7 phone id built into rom making the Chevron mod very simple, but there are few more issues
1 there are many issues with live services even after u input os key
2 there are errors when it come to communicating with live services to download apps
3 phone still restart many times and will some times go into what i call a dead sleep ( its where phone goes into standby and will not go back into unlock screen) you have to wait 3-4 minutes and even then u r lucky if u don't have to pull out battery and reset phone.
4 although newer builds often allow u to have more unregistered apps working they still have communication issues with wifi/network
5. camera is working on some builds but after picture is taken it comes out a bit green
The point for this thread is for u to post your links to your favorite builds of the wp7 and help future development buy discussing pros and cons to different builds
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all you have to do to fix the random restart is go to this link ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=918993 ) that will fix it at least it did for me its a memory card problem

@ zarathustrax
Can you please fix your quote in your post, Its making it look like I said all that silly **** instead of the OP lol

TheATHEiST said:
@ zarathustrax
Can you please fix your quote in your post, Its making it look like I said all that silly **** instead of the OP lol
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Ok, i edited my post a little to make it more clear that I was agreeing with you.

agreed @ this thread is pretty pointless until there are actual differences in the ROMs. Otherwise there is no actual use to anyone.

zarathustrax said:
Ok, i edited my post a little to make it more clear that I was agreeing with you.
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hmm, no you didnt, still exactly same. No real harm, its just that I dont like been misquoted.

TheATHEiST said:
hmm, no you didnt, still exactly same. No real harm, its just that I dont like been misquoted.
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Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about post#4.... I was wondering how that was not clear that I was agreeing with you... didn't even notice the other post til now. Your request makes much more sense now... sorry about the misunderstanding... it's fixed now.

orangekid said:
agreed @ this thread is pretty pointless until there are actual differences in the ROMs. Otherwise there is no actual use to anyone.
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i agree to, all the roms are the same expect some language. other the that
you still have to do the same
Problem with phone shuting off? it's your memory card
can't use marketplace? activate you phone that's it.
Problem with one side working on your headphones when
talking on the phone? Shut off xbox live restart phone that should work.
well it works for me.

ROM/Camera Question

Hey guys!
I haven't been on in quite a bit.
I was browsing through some of the custom WP7 roms, and couldn't really find an answer to my question.
I'm using the original WP7 on my HD2. It's the one DFT released... The first WP7 rom for the HD2.
My question is this:
Has the camera been fixed in any of the newer ROMS?
I have no complaints with the original build other than the camera not working very well. Even shooting videos gives me focus problems.
Oh, and one other thing: My Zune music is always set to shuffle now. Can't seem to correct it.
Anyway, sorry if this has been asked and covered before. I just haven't been on the forums in a month or so.

This software works fine with the camera. Use it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942605

spgi said:
This software works fine with the camera. Use it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942605
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Thanks for the link. I'll give it a try.
Any idea why my Zune music won't stop shuffling?

nova hands said:
Hey guys!
I haven't been on in quite a bit.
I was browsing through some of the custom WP7 roms, and couldn't really find an answer to my question.
I'm using the original WP7 on my HD2. It's the one DFT released... The first WP7 rom for the HD2.
My question is this:
Has the camera been fixed in any of the newer ROMS?
I have no complaints with the original build other than the camera not working very well. Even shooting videos gives me focus problems.
Oh, and one other thing: My Zune music is always set to shuffle now. Can't seem to correct it.
Anyway, sorry if this has been asked and covered before. I just haven't been on the forums in a month or so.
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DOnt know about zune im afraid, doesnt happen to me....as for the camera, teh link supplied above is fine for most things, its not very intigrated but you cant have everything!
as for a fix, nope, and unlikely
as for the ROMs, they are all the same ROM, there is no development branchs available, and there are no tools available to build a full ROM yourself, dont expect anything like the amount of modding available to WM6 systems. its also unlikely we will get more compatible drivers for our device since its now quite old
personally, i think its very much a case of, you get what you pay for, if you want better then your going to need to spend some more cash an buy a WP7 device.

dazza9075 said:
DOnt know about zune im afraid, doesnt happen to me....as for the camera, teh link supplied above is fine for most things, its not very intigrated but you cant have everything!
as for a fix, nope, and unlikely
as for the ROMs, they are all the same ROM, there is no development branchs available, and there are no tools available to build a full ROM yourself, dont expect anything like the amount of modding available to WM6 systems. its also unlikely we will get more compatible drivers for our device since its now quite old
personally, i think its very much a case of, you get what you pay for, if you want better then your going to need to spend some more cash an buy a WP7 device.
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The ROM really works great. I have no complaints with it. Just seeing if there had been any progress with the camera, that's all.
This Zune shuffling thing is baffling me. I distinctly remember seeing something about it awhile back, but I can't find anything in the forums about it.
One day all my music played normally, and the next, it will only shuffle. Strange indeed.