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A Message to Android Users: BUY MORE APPS

I know that for whatever reason a lot of Android users do not buy many apps. For me this is due to the still paltry internal storage (We need to start a petition or something to set a minimum for internal storage in Android phones btw) and an overall lack of desire for many apps. I have however paid for well made apps, because I want more well made apps to populate the Android market. At this time a lot of devs who develop great apps for BB and iPhone are wary about wasting time developing for Android because a majority of Android users do not spend money on apps. For example: Beejive and their messaging program is still waiting for Android to "Take off" so to speak.
So my message to Android users far and wide...buy more apps...and we get better apps...
also...GOOGLE SET SOME STANDARDS FOR ANDROID PHONES...internal storage is a definite necessity + micro SD cards...

Not sure the main problem is the storage capacity. I think some countries still don't have access to paid apps, and even in countries where you can buy apps, some of us won't be able to do it untill android market starts accepting other paiment methods, or Google Checkout starts working with more credit cards / check / paypal.
As of now, I have a paypal account and a credit card, but I just can't use google checkout.

It's crisis man

You don't need to buy apps to drive the market.
Buy Android devices, tell your friends to buy Android devices then use apps and provide feedback. Even if they're free apps.

If Google would've made paid apps available in more than a handful countries you would see that the market would skyrocket.

IF there were apps and games worthy of paying money for, I would. There is simply nothing good enough to pay for IMO right now, so I guess it's a catch 22. (ok, actually I did buy the meltus louder app for my G1 but it of course wont work on the nexus, so.....). But yeah, developers have to show me more of an iPhone quality app before I buy anything.

RIM and Apple's marketshare is huge for phones, hence customers, and therefore paying customers for developers. Coupled with the fact that Android is still developing (push, fragmentation of hardware, new versions every 4 months) of course Android isn't "attractive". It will happen though. I feel that the 1.5 and 1.6-era apps were garbage generally, and now we're starting to see serious apps coming out. Unfortunately, since most Android phones in customers' hands are still not snapdragon-based, anything written for powerful hardware is limiting its audience right out of the gate.

I love the general Free and Pro version approach. If I find that I like or use the free for more than a day, I will usually buy the pro. If I pay for it, I use the next 24 hours to make an informed decision.
The developers are suffering from circular logic. Make decent paid apps and people will buy them. All you have to do is watch any tech news feed to see the growth the Android platform is attaining. I cannot buy something that isn't there. It only makes sense.
I agree the market is flooded with crap apps as well. There has to be a compromise to allow for the user to find the better applications. Even being able to sort by ratings or filter low-rated apps out of a search would be a huge step. Let's hope it gets better.

BlueScreenJunky said:
Not sure the main problem is the storage capacity. I think some countries still don't have access to paid apps, and even in countries where you can buy apps, some of us won't be able to do it untill android market starts accepting other paiment methods, or Google Checkout starts working with more credit cards / check / paypal.
As of now, I have a paypal account and a credit card, but I just can't use google checkout.
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Same here , got a paypal account , but it's useless @ android market .. and cant use google checkout , because my country is not listed ...
A good idea would be , using a normal website based checkout system . like the people @ http://www.dataviz.com/ did ... I bought from them Documents to go ( easy , fast payment )..
There are many apps I would like to buy , but can't pay for them as they ONLY have the google checkout payment option ...

To tell you the truth, most of the good apps out there are free. Most apps are what, 2 dollars a pop? I don't think I've ever second guessed buying an app, especially with the return-24hours policy.
The real problem is that the android user population is still growing, and sort of still in its infancy. This is definitely changing though, as more and more of the people around me have switched from other OS's to Android.

I suspect we're talking about a problem that doesn't actually exist.
Sure, if you're expecting to make a living off your market app at the moment you'd be one of the lucky few.
Android is just coming out of its infancy and starting to bloom, 4% smart phone penetration (measured by internet usage*) this time 2009, 24% in 2010... fastest growing mobile platform in the world.
Android handsets are going to experience explosive growth in 2010, and with that a significant slice of the premium handset market.
Patience is all we need, and a better Market.

djmcnz said:
I suspect we're talking about a problem that doesn't actually exist.
Sure, if you're expecting to make a living off your market app at the moment you'd be one of the lucky few.
Android is just coming out of its infancy and starting to bloom, 4% smart phone penetration (measured by internet usage) this time 2009, 24% in 2010... fastest growing mobile platform in the world.
Android handsets are going to experience explosive growth in 2010, and with that a significant slice of the premium handset market.
Patience is all we need, and a better Market.
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Sorry but I don't think your numbers are right about 24%, try 7 or 8

TFJ4 said:
Sorry but I don't think your numbers are right about 24%, try 7 or 8
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It was 7% in July 2009 dude... click

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It was 7% in July 2009 dude... click
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http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/10/android-continues-to-be-upwardly-mobile/
There ya go

And because you have a statistic measuring something completely different from my one I should change my position?
You're trolling, go away.
Edit: Nevertheless your stats actually prove the point I was making ...Mod Edit, keep it clean please

Official Honeycomb 3.0 from Smartbook.de

hi,
i'm owner of the smartbook surfer 360 MN10U, same as advent vega (but has 3G / GPS).
on the homepage of smartbook.de they are advertising this tablet NOW availaible with android honeycomb 3.0
i' ll write them when first upgrades are possible....
hope this post is in right section - otherwise please remove in the right one...
rodnheli

They advertise is it for a week now, but there is unfortunately no download at the support site. I hope that is not only a VegaComb port. ;-)

I would say there is a very high chance that any Vega clone that officially has 3.0 will now have a VegaComb based rom.

Lennyuk said:
I would say there is a very high chance that any Vega clone that officially has 3.0 will now have a VegaComb based rom.
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I cant imagine they would get away with this in EU, China is different. There is no way that they will release a update that brakes flash either, it would cause havoc for the customer services.
The only way is if the company was about to got bust they might do it to sell a few more units before going out of buisness.
Saying all that i wouldn't be all that shocked if it did turn out that its vegacomb based.

DiamondGar said:
I cant imagine they would get away with this in EU, China is different. There is no way that they will release a update that brakes flash either, it would cause havoc for the customer services.
The only way is if the company was about to got bust they might do it to sell a few more units before going out of buisness.
Saying all that i wouldn't be all that shocked if it did turn out that its vegacomb based.
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lets just say (without expressing details) that certain vega clone companies have enquired about permission to use the rom

And when one thought it couldn't get funnier, it does...
I hope that the ones involved in the ROM's birth will be offered a slice of the pie and acknowledged greatly.
Enviado desde mi R800i

Lennyuk said:
lets just say (without expressing details) that certain vega clone companies have enquired about permission to use the rom
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Hmmm...
Don't know if this is a good thing or not...
I hope that these 'certain vega clone companies' have access to previously unavailable sources and are willing to share these with our VegaComb heroes!
In other words:
I hope they can (and will) really contribute to the development of the VegaComb ROMs!
But nevertheless it's great they 'enquired about permission to use the ROM' instead of just stealing it...

Has any company been so devious as to steal a whole ROM???
Enviado desde mi R800i

Logseman said:
Has any company been so devious as to steal a whole ROM???
Enviado desde mi R800i
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yes a Chinese company selling a vega clone has stole the whole of VegaComb in its beta form.
However its hard to argue its steeling as there are no propriety files (that I am aware of), it would have still been nice of them to ask Newbe5 though.

Lennyuk said:
yes a Chinese company selling a vega clone has stole the whole of VegaComb in its beta form.
However its hard to argue its steeling as there are no propriety files (that I am aware of), it would have still been nice of them to ask Newbe5 though.
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Using a BETA ROM is a bit stupid of them isn't it? Customers buying that Clone Tablet could have potentials problems which that company won't be able to address.

Do you think that some semiunderground chinese company bother about customer's problems? You guys in Europe live in not material world They want your money - they get it - and in same second they get your money, they don't think about you anymore.
I'll still waiting for this ROM at least until google'll open source of android 3.0 and some wise guys make a brand new custon ROM for us all

ive been pestering smartbook for a while because they have allways advertised it as being honeycomb upgradable
they told me their update would be coming out in may so maby they have finally released it

Yesterday I wrote to viewsonic support about honeycomb update for viewpad 10s and they tell me that there is no google license for 1024*600 displays and noone can update advent vega or similar tablets to honeycomb and this is no more than rumors and lie.

docck said:
Yesterday I wrote to viewsonic support about honeycomb update for viewpad 10s and they tell me that there is no google license for 1024*600 displays and noone can update advent vega or similar tablets to honeycomb and this is no more than rumors and lie.
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Isn't the Acer A100 1024x600 and Honeycomb?
Si

simonf7 said:
Isn't the Acer A100 1024x600 and Honeycomb?
Si
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very true?
their is alot of roumours about what google will and will not take. the one about no updates from 2.2 sounds the most odd
i think we need to get someone with a smart book or someone who can speek german to ring up

Google have made it quite clear that they are not limiting their OS to any hardware types, or stopping it from being put on certain spec devices. Android remains an open source project.
Honeycomb has not hit AOSP because google do not want idiot clone companies attempting to put the tablet OS onto phones and giving android a bad name.
They are in the process of building and nearing completion on their next OS (Ice Cream Sandwich) which is believed to act like Honeycomb when in landscape, i.e. tablets but act like a phone when in portrait. Once this OS is out it will hit AOSP then ALL devices can choose to use it if they wish.
As for GAPPS (Google Apps) that remains under licence from Google so they can control who gets it, but its pretty much comes down to cost rather than Google deciding a particular piece of kit is not good enough.

Lennyuk said:
Google have made it quite clear that they are not limiting their OS to any hardware types, or stopping it from being put on certain spec devices. Android remains an open source project.
Honeycomb has not hit AOSP because google do not want idiot clone companies attempting to put the tablet OS onto phones and giving android a bad name.
They are in the process of building and nearing completion on their next OS (Ice Cream Sandwich) which is believed to act like Honeycomb when in landscape, i.e. tablets but act like a phone when in portrait. Once this OS is out it will hit AOSP then ALL devices can choose to use it if they wish.
As for GAPPS (Google Apps) that remains under licence from Google so they can control who gets it, but its pretty much comes down to cost rather than Google deciding a particular piece of kit is not good enough.
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All devices meaning Phones, Tablets, AND Google TV's!!

yeah will be good to see it on tv, i would actually think of buying one coz its crap atm

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Its wrote in german what they say is:
they release Android 3.0 at 01.07.2010 and because Honeycomb does change so much they have to test alot!

I've one of these chinese clones using beta 1.4
They didn't even bother to re-brand the rom
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[Q] Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8

If M$ windows thinks its ok to lock there Boot Loaders, I think we need to petition or start voicing our opinions now. . . regardless the fact is, once we buy any product we have our right too do whatever we want too do, root, modify, upgrade or downgrade, I think the problem with M$ is that they aren't embracing the Future, they are fighting it, an thats why they keep getting lapped by company's like apple an google. Believe me M$, still doesn't get the bigger picture, an i dont know if they ever will if we dont start speaking up now. They are basing there beliefs on an outdated O.S of business. . .
I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
Simply stated DONT BE EVIL . .
Tell me what you think, how u feel and what we should do as a community.
This is my response too reading this portal post article, Good info JERDOG
Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8
JERDOG'S post http://goo.gl/rq4yw

Ah the bootloader, people have actually been talking about this for sometime. Although Microsoft are demanding ufei or what ever it is which will make it difficult for you to change operating systems, they have stated that it will not be used to force out other manufacturers. Im not sure I believe them in general, however as its a hardware related issue its actually in the hands of the hardware manufacturers. Microsoft don't make laptops/tablets. As far as I understand it although ufei will be required for windows 8 to run, a signed key is all that's required for other operating systems to run. Also its said that ufei contravenes EU law and so I would wait and see what happens.
The simple advice would be not to buy a device that is incapable of the functions you require. Dont buy a car to fly to the moon in. If you want to run Linux don't buy a laptop incapable of doing it.
I can understand peoples frustration with Microsoft but I fail to see when they became your *****. I thought Ipods were stupid at first as you couldn't play mp3's, so guess what, I didn't buy one.
You the consumer don't have to buy what they offer you. The other thing your forgetting is that the Hackers will sort it anyway, or have you never heared of "rooting" or mod chips etc. Any security where a key has to be passed from user to security centre can and will be hacked.

agreed, i can see people getting around this in the future, because when someone says NO there's always another one saying YES!, expect hackers to do their part.

TeaMsTaZ said:
I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
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Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.

spunker88 said:
Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.
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Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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As it was said many years ago and still exists now stronger than ever
"If Man Made it, Man Can Unmake It"
It was only because of the mobile devices that Apple took market share, their desktops and laptops were good but just not up to par with what we were able to build with amd and intel chipsets for MS Windows operating systems. Now Apple has pulled a considerable amount of the computer market with mobile devices and stronger desktops and laptops.
Microsoft wants to gain the marketshare back with One O/S for all platforms. Hoping to up their mobile device marketshare to even it up with Apple. Its a far stretch but they want to keep themselves covered when it comes time that Apple tried to really put on over on them to keep the market.
ARM is proprietary now but will slowly become universal and open, just give it time and keep up the good fight!

hmmm.. well if ARM does stay locked down, do you think Intel's newer low-power x86 chips will be efficient enough to be comparable to ARM chips in tablets battery-life wise?

TeaMsTaZ said:
Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.

spunker88 said:
I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.
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Yeah there is double standard, my girl has an iPhone 4s, but lets keep that between us lol
But I really think its what you prefer, some like camaros some mustangs....
The developers on this site are great . . . Without them, I would be stuck using webos on my touchpad an windows 6.5 on my HD2 ( using SD American Android build )
You prolly right, tablets might come with win8. But maybe hackers can modify it so u can load android like a program hopefully. . .
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I'm on the fence with this one. I think their logic behind it has more to do with security than anything. Locking the bootloader doesn't stop device manufacturers from just making the same device that runs another operating system (Android) nor does having an unlocked phone that someone could put android on keep Microsoft from getting their license fee since the device ships with their OS.
Obviously it's not going to help make the jobs of everyone here easier, but it's not going to prevent them from getting other OSes on the device. What I could see happening in the modding community would be the opposite effect. Find an Android tablet that has an unlocked bootloader, and bring over the Rom from a Windows 8 tablet that has the same hardware.

ANT+ support on SIII with 4.3 turn out to be a big fat lie.

Another Samsung fail.
Every news outlet I saw (including SAMMobile) was reporting, all trough past last 2-3 weeks, that 4.3 is confirmed for S3 and listed ANT+ as one of the coming features.
Well it was a lie. Its not there (and will never be).
Samsung really has to get their PR/communications team together. When Note3 was released, they forgot to mention anywhere (spec sheet, news, reviews, stage intros) that it had ANT+ support. That was one end of the stick.
Now they jump to the other end by reporting that it will come to S3 with the 4.3 update, which turns out to be completely false.
Here is the SAMMobile report for example: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/04...olling-out-for-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-gt-i9300/
Extract:
Android 4.3 Jelly Bean update now rolling out for Samsung Galaxy S III (GT-I9300)
CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS IN ANDROID 4.3 UPDATE
- GALAXY GEAR Support
- TRIM Support (Makes the device much faster)
- ANT+ Support
- Core UI elements updated to the ones on the Galaxy S4 (Galaxy S4′s theme all over)
- New Samsung Keyboard
- GPU drivers have been updated (Higher GPU benchmark scores)
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Edit: Please read post No.10 before you comment!. Also SAMMobile has today corrected their report, see post No.12

come on, not post about every bug, the rom is not complete yet.

dkionline said:
come on, not post about every bug, the rom is not complete yet.
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The rom is complete if it ain't why did sam samsung release

dkionline said:
come on, not post about every bug, the rom is not complete yet.
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Please don't go into an argument about something you obviously don't understand. If you just cant hold back, then at least do some research.
Its not a bug. Its a missing feature. There is a big difference.
It is not something they can fix. It is something that will never be available (as in technological limitation in the hardware). Ergo its misinformation, plain and simple.
Edit: But they don't care. They keep reporting the same old BS today again: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/13/android-4-3-update-arrives-on-the-galaxy-s-iii-in-the-uk/
I just hate copy/paste news.

Not for every function must need an app. Screen mirroring is involved in this.

I think the point is just because it did not come out with the first release of the firmware does not mean it will not be supported in the future. When they get past 4.3 and never had any support for it, then you can say they are liars.

wangdaning said:
I think the point is just because it did not come out with the first release of the firmware does not mean it will not be supported in the future. When they get past 4.3 and never had any support for it, then you can say they are liars.
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OK, which part of HARDWARE LIMITATIONS don't you understand?
Excuse me for saying this, but why do you guys insist on trying to enter an argument, that you have no (obvious) idea about. You want to look smart? You only end up looking a fool. Don't you think.
I am not saying don't comment, but please do a little background fact checking before do. Are ask question first, not make stupid statements.
Let me spell it out for you 'S3 WILL NEVER SUPPORT ANT+', no matter what firmware you put on it. Hence the news report is false or as I put it "IS A LIE".

look on wiki ^^
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oalex said:
Let me spell it out for you 'S3 WILL NEVER SUPPORT ANT+', no matter what firmware you put on it. Hence the news report is false or as I put it "IS A LIE".
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You put "turned out to be a big fat lie" which implies you previously believe it to be true. When did this hardware limitation come in, what info did you learn and where did you learn it?
You don't mention anything in the OP about the hardware limitation, which if you have info on this would be the most important info related to your thread topic IMO.
Not trying to argue, but the thread is a little confusing. If you have the info it would be great for you to share. The only things that come up on google are questions about it and the press releases you are saying lie.

wangdaning said:
You put "turned out to be a big fat lie" which implies you previously believe it to be true. When did this hardware limitation come in, what info did you learn and where did you learn it?
You don't mention anything in the OP about the hardware limitation, which if you have info on this would be the most important info related to your thread topic IMO.
Not trying to argue, but the thread is a little confusing. If you have the info it would be great for you to share. The only things that come up on google are questions about it and the press releases you are saying lie.
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I am sorry. You are right about the "turned out part". To be perfectly honest, i did wish it to be true, however I knew it wasn't going to be. Practically wished the impossible.
I slightly wished that if all these news portals (especially SAMMobile, which has very close ties and inside sources with Samsung), they might know something that I don't.
About the limitation. You are right to ask for sources, but let me try to explain first as there is so much misconception about ANT+, as you can see, that its not so easy to explain. Not trying to hide links, just that (As you will find) the publicly available information is very very scarce, when you search for anything ANT+ hardware stuff.
Most people haven't even heard of the technology, hence all (I repeat) all the reviews you can find about Note3, ignored to mention this as a feature. They didn't forget IR, which is less useful in my opinion. Even Samsung itself, failed to mention it in any of there publications prior to the release of the phone. Owners only learnt about the support from finding ANT service updating on their phone when they turned it on.
Anyway back to why S3 wont support it... I will try not to be very technical.
ANT+ uses the same Bluetooth antenna that is available in the S3 (as with the S4 and Note3 where it actually is available) or most other current smartphone for that matter. However the antenna and software support are not enough for ANT to work.
Let me put it this way. If you have a b/g wifi router. It will not suddenly start to support wifi-n just because you rewrite the firmware and change the antenna. Or a better example might be a 10 year old Nokia (no matter what software you put on it) will not start to support Bluetooth 3.0, just because is had 1.0 on it.
The hardware limitation I talk of is in the SoC (Note: not the CPU). It needs to have ANT connectivity radio frequency IC with embedded ANT protocol stacks in the SoC.
Qualcomm is part of the ANT+ alliance, however not all their SoC have this feature 'onboard'. IT depends on which variant of snapdragon it is. I believe in their case it's called Qualcomm Atheros Bluetooth (yes its called Bluetooth, even tough its where the ANT+ is supported). Its not even about how new the the phone is. Many Sony Xperia phone from 2011 had the right snapdragon chips that supported ANT+ (Sony Xperia Active is a good example).
Now to give a good example of why I am not posting link. Look at the below wiki of snapdragon chips. Go to the bottom for example (snapdragon 800 or 600). It is a fact that these have ANT+ support, yet you don't see it mentioned anywhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
Why yo ask? Well one of the main reasons is that players like Garmin (who are probably the main benefactors and driving force behind ANT+ Alliance), have no interest in making it as main stream technology as it should be by now.
They don't casue if it was then no one would by their $500 sports computers and watches. As the public would realize that they could do all those function (sports tracking) and do it better and even do much more, with a much cheaper smartphone.

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Hurray, Someone is listening. SAMMobile has corrected the info in their latest relevant news: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/13...gets-android-4-3-update/#.UoNcvUccgng.twitter

What they released is nowhere near completed, and they just using Irish Vodafone users and people like us as beta testers before they release it properly.

Geordie Lad said:
What they released is nowhere near completed, and they just using Irish Vodafone users and people like us as beta testers before they release it properly.
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Please read post No. 10. Thank you.

These people.... just dont read previous posts, do they.....
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Actually I thought I read it does have hardware support and can be enabled by new firmware, but Samsung has to decide to do it. Google "dcrainmaker samsung-mobile-devices" for one reference.
these people...just don't read the internet first do they...

steeeva said:
Actually I thought I read it does have hardware support and can be enabled by new firmware, but Samsung has to decide to do it. Google "dcrainmaker samsung-mobile-devices" for one reference.
these people...just don't read the internet first do they...
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I know dcrainmakers article. I read it the day it was published. He is wrong. No one is perfect. I believe that he was misinformed too. He is a cycling enthusiast, and a sportsman, but not an engineer.
Don't tell me that you thing hr is better informed than SAMMobile. They realized that they were wrong too and have corrected their article (all new one).
These people... Just take everything that they read on the Internet as a fact....
If you want to disprove me, cite some hard evidence (manufacturer startment or technologycal info). Quoting a bloggers suspicions is hardly enough.
P. S.: I like rainmaker, that is why I read his blogs. To ve perfectly honest, I was surprised that he got this one wrong as he has good relationship with ANT consortium itself. However ANT itself confirmed to an acquaintance of mine that S3 cannot and will not support ANT, meaning they had their facts straight and he did not.
I have seen other articles from him that were loosely based on facts. As I said blogger.

How we test this uncle+ to see if it works

Nokia X2 Views

Its time already! :laugh:
Just when Nokia X range devices have started fading, we now have the new Nokia X2, quite a surprise from Nokia and Microsoft. This time, they have made some noticable improvements, especially with the hardware. They have offered a RAM with an entire gig, a 1.2 GHz Snapdragon 200 dual-core Cortex A7 processor, a 5MP camera with LED flash along with a front camera, two hardware keys, one for home and the other is the back key, a glassy transparent panel as found in the Asha phones along with Nokia's ClearBack display with resolution 480x800, 217 ppi. As for the software, it features Nokia X Software Platform 2.0, AOSP API level 18, with Windows Phone like app drawer, fastlane and more controls on the top bar.
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So, it seems that Nokia is still stuck with Jelly Bean. Maybe this time, we get 4.3 but it just isn't enough. When 4.4.4 is rolling out, 4.3 seems a little old. But who cares, new updated custom ROMs are gonna fly in, at no time. As for the highlight, it is priced around EUR 99, making it rougly around Rs.8500 or 140 USD. Quite satisfactory, isn't it. But, the question still remains, will Nokia X2 do the trick?
Being a Nokia X user, my personal opinion would be to give it a try. When Nokia released X, the common opinion was that Nokia was trying to make Android appear buggy by providing such a low level hardware. But Nokia has broken that talk by providing a way better hardware improvement and by still showing importance in the X Software Platform devices. One thing is still certain, Microsoft is trying its level best to compete with Google services, but it is no where near Google. But at this stage, the X platform is a plus for Microsoft and it seems like Microsoft isn't gonna give up. It will be of no surprise if new devices roll out in the near future.
So people, what are your views over Nokia X2? Post it in this thread. Lets hear some common opinions.

dev27 said:
Its time already! :laugh:
Just when Nokia X range devices have started fading, we now have the new Nokia X2, quite a surprise from Nokia and Microsoft. This time, they have made some noticable improvements, especially with the hardware. They have offered a RAM with an entire gig, a 1.2 GHz Snapdragon 200 dual-core Cortex A7 processor, a 5MP camera with LED flash along with a front camera, two hardware keys, one for home and the other is the back key, a glassy transparent panel as found in the Asha phones along with Nokia's ClearBack display with resolution 480x800, 217 ppi. As for the software, it features Nokia X Software Platform 2.0, AOSP API level 18, with Windows Phone like app drawer, fastlane and more controls on the top bar.
So, it seems that Nokia is still stuck with Jelly Bean. Maybe this time, we get 4.3 but it just isn't enough. When 4.4.4 is rolling out, 4.3 seems a little old. But who cares, new updated custom ROMs are gonna fly in, at no time. As for the highlight, it is priced around EUR 99, making it rougly around Rs.8500 or 140 USD. Quite satisfactory, isn't it. But, the question still remains, will Nokia X2 do the trick?
Being a Nokia X user, my personal opinion would be to give it a try. When Nokia released X, the common opinion was that Nokia was trying to make Android appear buggy by providing such a low level hardware. But Nokia has broken that talk by providing a way better hardware improvement and by still showing importance in the X Software Platform devices. One thing is still certain, Microsoft is trying its level best to compete with Google services, but it is no where near Google. But at this stage, the X platform is a plus for Microsoft and it seems like Microsoft isn't gonna give up. It will be of no surprise if new devices roll out in the near future.
So people, what are your views over Nokia X2? Post it in this thread. Lets hear some common opinions.
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I have XL, what i can say is, i'm very satisfied with its performance. Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that don't having the device.
I will get a new android nokia when they will release another 5'' display, maybe X2L, who knows.

tiger411 said:
I have XL, what i can say is, i'm very satisfied with its performance. Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that don't having the device.
I will get a new android nokia when they will release another 5'' display, maybe X2L, who knows.
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For a new android user, or for some one who is not into much development, I would recommend the Nokia X software platform devices. But as far as developers are considered, the X platform devices are not upto the mark. Nokia X2 can be considered as a recognizable device. If only Nokia and Microsoft take further steps into developing a much better device, who knows, these devices can really be something. Just imagine, if we were to get the best of Android's brains, Windows' looks and Nokia's hardware...

Good to see some activity
Well..guys i'm interested in this device but before than i wanna know something
Any cool dev like dhacker29 interested in this device? For developing?
Since Moto E have same chipset it won't be too hard to get KITKAT running on this device i think !!
Dhacker also got dual sim working on Moto G !
That's why wanted him since Nokia X2 is a dual sim variant only (?)

well what can i say the platform updates are good thing i love my nokia x well nokia x2 looks very tempting a Nokia with Microsoft and google quality no one can beat this thing what i dislike about this phone is the more asha look for instance if you have a Lumia 630 next to the x1 you cant tell them apart the other thing is the 2nd button i just dont get it why someone will need that
what we need now is cortana on the x
im impressed from my phone performance i agree with tiger411
Those who are telling negative about X platform really hater's that never had the device
but i will add : or test it for more than 30 days

Personally I couldn't care less about Google Play, it's restricted in my country so I have always used alternative market apps and they work perfectly fine. I can't wait to get the new x2

Nokia / microsoft
Hope Microsoft (and former Nokia guys) have learned the lesson: give people what they want, or else loose clients!
Too bad there was time wasted, if these two players were in market earlier giving people the desired Android maybe today we could have smartphones with PC-like specs and more software convergence...
Still, I´m really anxious to put my hands on this baby, seems the better of 3 worlds in one package!
:cyclops::cyclops::cyclops::cyclops:

Shahi00 said:
Well..guys i'm interested in this device but before than i wanna know something
Any cool dev like dhacker29 interested in this device? For developing?
Since Moto E have same chipset it won't be too hard to get KITKAT running on this device i think !!
Dhacker also got dual sim working on Moto G !
That's why wanted him since Nokia X2 is a dual sim variant only (?)
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I'm really interested. But sadly, I don't have the device. Only Nokia X.

bye bye X2
Bad news!
Microsoft cancelled Nokia X2 and all Android developments!!!!
Seems that X2 production was reduced to a number like a few Ks total, have to wait until late September for more news, maybe will be available a limited number of devices on some markets.
What a waste of time and energy waiting for this device!!
Really can´t expect coherency from this Redmond guys, since Bill Gates leaved MS the public expectation and what clients want to see don´t count.
What does this people want for a company anyway????

mgama said:
Bad news!
Microsoft cancelled Nokia X2 and all Android developments!!!!
Seems that X2 production was reduced to a number like a few Ks total, have to wait until late September for more news, maybe will be available a limited number of devices on some markets.
What a waste of time and energy waiting for this device!!
Really can´t expect coherency from this Redmond guys, since Bill Gates leaved MS the public expectation and what clients want to see don´t count.
What does this people want for a company anyway????
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Not to deny your speech, Microsoft has cancelled FUTURE releases for Nokias android phones. But they will continue to support the existing ones and as Nokia X2 is already out, they won't cut it off.

Dom3616 said:
Not to deny your speech, Microsoft has cancelled FUTURE releases for Nokias android phones. But they will continue to support the existing ones and as Nokia X2 is already out, they won't cut it off.
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This phone will (or could) be available in Europe but in limited quantity, it will continue to be sold on emerging markets - and this is sad for me!
This means there won´t be many available here, or even could not even be available.
As an existing brand, they will sure give support for what they sell, obviously - but don´t expect to much news like KK or L.
Anyway, production will be reduced and wont be other Nokia with android models. Instead of cancelling I should say disinvest on X2, sorry.
Words of a Nokia reseller based on today information, of course that can change as the wind also changes in Redmond.....

bye Nokia X2
Well, so much expectation, result: nothing!
Can´t live with uncertain scenarios, gonna choose another android phone - LG L70 dual.
This way I don´t have to wait for hacks to put Google services on Nokia/MS phones...lol...
Good luck for owners of the X2, I feel a little disappointed for can´t have on my hands this (still thinking so!) very interesting piece of technology
:crying::crying:

mgama said:
Well, so much expectation, result: nothing!
Can´t live with uncertain scenarios, gonna choose another android phone - LG L70 dual.
This way I don´t have to wait for hacks to put Google services on Nokia/MS phones...lol...
Good luck for owners of the X2, I feel a little disappointed for can´t have on my hands this (still thinking so!) very interesting piece of technology
:crying::crying:
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mgama said:
This phone will (or could) be available in Europe but in limited quantity, it will continue to be sold on emerging markets - and this is sad for me!
This means there won´t be many available here, or even could not even be available.
As an existing brand, they will sure give support for what they sell, obviously - but don´t expect to much news like KK or L.
Anyway, production will be reduced and wont be other Nokia with android models. Instead of cancelling I should say disinvest on X2, sorry.
Words of a Nokia reseller based on today information, of course that can change as the wind also changes in Redmond.....
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See? I told you! http://www.gsmarena.com/the_nokia_x2_may_not_get_cancelled_after_all-news-9198.php

Dom3616 said:
See? I told you! http://www.gsmarena.com/the_nokia_x2_may_not_get_cancelled_after_all-news-9198.php
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AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
DAMN REDMOND WINDS!!!!!!!!!
WHERE WILL THEY BLOW NEXT WEEK????
Too bad for me, really needed to change phone, now it is done.........

Im really excited for this device i hope it will release soon in PH

sharknaruto92 said:
Im really excited for this device i hope it will release soon in PH
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It's already available in Philippines with price of P6,990. But still not decide to buy. I like the hardware and price. But I have Facebook account that will not be able for me to login. What android rom that I need to install or root this nokia x2 to be able to use my facebook account and other google account?

Although stock rom is fine, we need custom roms. There is already an unofficial cm11 for nokia x. So why shouldn't we get one. And also lewa. I hope developers will work on this device.