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NoDo update delayed till March

http://wpcentral.com/windows-phone-nodo-update-coming-out-early-march-here-s-story

Great update ... they could probably make WP 8 by that time

I'll save you people alot of time.
wpcentral.com said:
The latest rumor suggests that the Windows Phone 'NoDo' update is coming in early March
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Just another rumor...

mickfarr said:
I'll save you people alot of time.
Just another rumor...
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And why would this save time, not sure, but March is written in the thread title is it not?
I should imagine you know more on these rumours, care to elaborate

Neowin.net have "received confirmation from multiple sources, that pins the first Windows Phone 7 update for March 8.
According to the sources - including someone well placed inside a European carrier - the update has been delayed due to last minute changes by Microsoft and/or OEMs. The update must then be tested by carriers for two-three weeks prior to launch."

THUDUK said:
And why would this save time, not sure, but March is written in the thread title is it not?
I should imagine you know more on these rumours, care to elaborate
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It just a rumour as the report says, a bit like the last rumour. WP7 update could be released before March.

WP7 is DOA.
Microsoft phone OS is over!

I can't see a great future to WP7s this year.
Until March, the WP7s is not a real smartphone SO (no copy\past).
In March, WP7s Update comes with copy\past feature.....BUT 1 month later, android update to 2.4 gingerbread with nice Honeycomb stuff....even dont talking if comes early, a gingerbread Sense update to DHD\Z.
And a lot of people are colecting some money to XOOM, WebOS touchPaD, IPAD 2, Palm Pre 3, FacebookPhone, Dual-core devices, etc....
So the space in our pocket to buy a WP7sDevice, begins to be very little, eh?

Did MS just forgot to add copy paste option ... too bad they miss it ... and Bluetooth file sharing ... first i thought of HD7 now i am thinking of desire HD... android get updates very fast and better

In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.

hammered09 said:
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
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dude my first HD2 is run stock WM 6.5 (office phone)
2nd HD2 runing on WP7
i am still with windows .. every time .. this small missing stuffs makes me sad ... Bluetooth file sharing is ok but the copy paste , thats very rude ...
what do u think they missed it or they do know what they miss?

sathara said:
dude my first HD2 is run stock WM 6.5 (office phone)
2nd HD2 runing on WP7
i am still with windows .. every time .. this small missing stuffs makes me sad ... Bluetooth file sharing is ok but the copy paste , thats very rude ...
what do u think they missed it or they do know what they miss?
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+1
The issue is not for us, that have a device running with all features, (with w6.5 or Android).
The issue is for our poor friends from XDA, which spent $ 500 on a WP7s, and cant send a simple rose to their girlfriends ..... enough for that, if they have the copy \ past feature .. .. nothing more.
It is a shame!
WP7s owners can't attach this beautifull rose, like i did with my old HD2.
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i read some where this
Windows for Men
Android for teenagers
IOS for Ladies
is that true

hammered09 said:
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
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Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war

-josh- said:
Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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It's the same with fanboys of anything, xbox, PS3, Nintendo or football teams, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and even cars. Only the other day I had some one say that the Ferrari 360 is better than my Lamborghini Murcielago the cheeky bugger!! pfft he obivously knows nothing about cars.

sathara said:
i read some where this
Windows for Men
Android for teenagers
IOS for Ladies
is that true
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-josh- said:
Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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Can you coment this fresh new? "Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week "
tries to make a comment, thinking you had just bought an HD7, and not only that a user who is using a port.
...maybe you start to understand, why we are so angry with MS$
If I had an HD7, would not think, no joke to this news
Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week
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Steve Ballmer introduces Windows Phone 7
Microsoft is expected to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements according to reports.
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will keynote at the Mobile World Congress conference in Barcelona next week. Mobile Tech World reports that Microsoft may use the event to unveil new hardware requirements for Windows Phone 7. Microsoft first announced Windows Phone 7 at Mobile World Congress 2010 and supplied the original button specifications for hardware manufacturers.
WinRumors understands that the company is planning to unveil support for forward facing cameras as part of its updated hardware specifications. It’s unclear whether Microsoft will announce this support next week or just an overhaul of CPU/RAM requirements. The company has RTM’d its first “NoDo” Windows Phone 7 platform update and is planning to make it publicly available in early March. “NoDo” will introduce support for Qualcomm’s MSM7X30 System on a Chip architecture.
Microsoft’s mobile competition is increasingly more fierce. Android manufacturers and Apple are both likely to bump their specifications significantly in the coming months. Microsoft’s hardware requirements could also be linked to a rumored Nokia partnership. Nokia is rumored to be partnering with Microsoft to produce a Windows Phone 7 smartphone. Stephen Elop, ex-Microsoft employee and current Nokia CEO, will detail Nokia’s new company strategy on Friday February 11. Analysts and operators have called for Nokia to adopt Windows Phone 7 over Android to create better competition in the mobile market.
The software giant is also expected to detail further updates at MIX11 in April. Joe Belfiore, who oversees Windows Phone Program Management, and is responsible for the design and software product definition of forthcoming generations of Windows phones will keynote MIX11 this year. Belfiore is expected to layout a roadmap for the future of Windows Phone 7 and detail Microsoft’s big “Mango” Windows Phone 7 update. Microsoft is also working on a major overhaul of the Windows Phone 7 browser. In a job posting, listed in November, the software maker promises a “major overhaul of standard support and new approaches to make significant advances in performance, power consumption and bandwidth utilization.” Microsoft may be ready to detail its future Internet Explorer mobile plans at MIX in April too. Microsoft is believed to be planning Flash and HTML5 support for Windows Phone 7.
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hammered09 said:
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
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I totally agree

pack21 said:
Can you coment this fresh new? "Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week "
tries to make a comment, thinking you had just bought an HD7, and not only that a user who is using a port.
...maybe you start to understand, why we are so angry with MS$
If I had an HD7, would not think, no joke to this news
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hm... and where's the problem? on other platforms there once were devices with and without front camara too, and if you owned an xda neo for example, you would'nt been able too make a videocall at winmo; if ypou owned a diamond, you could - so what? would you run into suicide if you buy a brandnew car today with bi-xenon lights and 6 airbags and tomorrow comes along with the new model with triple xenon and 8 airbags? i don't think so...

[Q] Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8

If M$ windows thinks its ok to lock there Boot Loaders, I think we need to petition or start voicing our opinions now. . . regardless the fact is, once we buy any product we have our right too do whatever we want too do, root, modify, upgrade or downgrade, I think the problem with M$ is that they aren't embracing the Future, they are fighting it, an thats why they keep getting lapped by company's like apple an google. Believe me M$, still doesn't get the bigger picture, an i dont know if they ever will if we dont start speaking up now. They are basing there beliefs on an outdated O.S of business. . .
I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
Simply stated DONT BE EVIL . .
Tell me what you think, how u feel and what we should do as a community.
This is my response too reading this portal post article, Good info JERDOG
Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8
JERDOG'S post http://goo.gl/rq4yw

Ah the bootloader, people have actually been talking about this for sometime. Although Microsoft are demanding ufei or what ever it is which will make it difficult for you to change operating systems, they have stated that it will not be used to force out other manufacturers. Im not sure I believe them in general, however as its a hardware related issue its actually in the hands of the hardware manufacturers. Microsoft don't make laptops/tablets. As far as I understand it although ufei will be required for windows 8 to run, a signed key is all that's required for other operating systems to run. Also its said that ufei contravenes EU law and so I would wait and see what happens.
The simple advice would be not to buy a device that is incapable of the functions you require. Dont buy a car to fly to the moon in. If you want to run Linux don't buy a laptop incapable of doing it.
I can understand peoples frustration with Microsoft but I fail to see when they became your *****. I thought Ipods were stupid at first as you couldn't play mp3's, so guess what, I didn't buy one.
You the consumer don't have to buy what they offer you. The other thing your forgetting is that the Hackers will sort it anyway, or have you never heared of "rooting" or mod chips etc. Any security where a key has to be passed from user to security centre can and will be hacked.

agreed, i can see people getting around this in the future, because when someone says NO there's always another one saying YES!, expect hackers to do their part.

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I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
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Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.

spunker88 said:
Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.
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Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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As it was said many years ago and still exists now stronger than ever
"If Man Made it, Man Can Unmake It"
It was only because of the mobile devices that Apple took market share, their desktops and laptops were good but just not up to par with what we were able to build with amd and intel chipsets for MS Windows operating systems. Now Apple has pulled a considerable amount of the computer market with mobile devices and stronger desktops and laptops.
Microsoft wants to gain the marketshare back with One O/S for all platforms. Hoping to up their mobile device marketshare to even it up with Apple. Its a far stretch but they want to keep themselves covered when it comes time that Apple tried to really put on over on them to keep the market.
ARM is proprietary now but will slowly become universal and open, just give it time and keep up the good fight!

hmmm.. well if ARM does stay locked down, do you think Intel's newer low-power x86 chips will be efficient enough to be comparable to ARM chips in tablets battery-life wise?

TeaMsTaZ said:
Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.

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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.
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Yeah there is double standard, my girl has an iPhone 4s, but lets keep that between us lol
But I really think its what you prefer, some like camaros some mustangs....
The developers on this site are great . . . Without them, I would be stuck using webos on my touchpad an windows 6.5 on my HD2 ( using SD American Android build )
You prolly right, tablets might come with win8. But maybe hackers can modify it so u can load android like a program hopefully. . .
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I'm on the fence with this one. I think their logic behind it has more to do with security than anything. Locking the bootloader doesn't stop device manufacturers from just making the same device that runs another operating system (Android) nor does having an unlocked phone that someone could put android on keep Microsoft from getting their license fee since the device ships with their OS.
Obviously it's not going to help make the jobs of everyone here easier, but it's not going to prevent them from getting other OSes on the device. What I could see happening in the modding community would be the opposite effect. Find an Android tablet that has an unlocked bootloader, and bring over the Rom from a Windows 8 tablet that has the same hardware.

[Q] Buying first WP8. Which one?

Hi all,
im looking for a new phone and have fallen in love with WP8, I have been using Android for 2 years. I have looked at apps. and found the most important ones to be available on WP, the ones I could not find was: Steam, TwitchTV & an app. to watch Anime on. (not crucial)
I wanna know if there might be something that im gonna miss if I swap to WP. I expect WP to have the basics of any other smartphone (WiFi-hotspot, a proper GPS/Maps app. to get guided both in car and on foot, News, Notes, Calculator etc. etc. etc.) but if theres something it does not have that I might be used to in Android, please let me know.
Would also love to know how updates are handled. Is it through manufacturer (Nokia, HTC etc. like Android), or through MS to ensure all phones gets updated?
Last but not least, im considering buying the HTC 8S, as it seems to be the cheapest of 'em all. I would love to buy Lumia 920, but im afraid if I dont love the system, or feel like it lacks something I need (such as apps...), im gonna be stuck with a very expensive phone over 2 years.
I hope someone can give me some detailed, personal insight on swapping to WP from Android, and if HTC 8S would be a good choice.

If you don't wanna buy something really expensive, wait up a bit till lower end phones pop up. SO far, we only have flagships and a couple of mid ends.

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If you don't wanna buy something really expensive, wait up a bit till lower end phones pop up. SO far, we only have flagships and a couple of mid ends.
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I dont consider HTC 8S expensive, its around half the price of Lumia 920 here. The reason I back when I bought my first smartphone went with a top model was because I knew Android - back then - still had frame rate issues with its UI (HTCs Sense did at least), so I wanted the fastest phone.
From what I read though WP8 should run smooth on any phone that has it right now, including 8S (also seems smooth in videos). So that is why im hesitating buying Lumia 920, because the system experience is gonna be identical on both phones (same features, both running smooth UI), and since im on a single-core phone atm., its gonna be a step up either way. Basically im in doubt if I should pay the double for the overall better specs plus PureMotion HD+ & NFC.
Im still interested in hearing personal opinions and stuff I listed in first post.

Windows Phone OS works differently than Android. It always focuses the CPU to what the user does, and background is left for when the phone is idle.
The 8s will run just as fast as lumia 920, the 1Ghz dual core is more than enough for the system
HOWEVER
There are other things you need to look at
1) Storage space: 8s only has around 1.5GB available for user. Although it has an SD card for personal data, you still have only 1.5GB for apps.
2) Camera: Lumia 920 has a vastly superior back camera, and a front camera.
3) Lumia 920 is a Lumia, therefore it has access to some very cool apps. Nokia releases a new feature for its phones every month or so, whereas HTC is really not s active as Nokia.
4)RAM: 8s only has 512, some premium games will require 1GB

mcosmin222 said:
Windows Phone OS works differently than Android. It always focuses the CPU to what the user does, and background is left for when the phone is idle.
The 8s will run just as fast as lumia 920, the 1Ghz dual core is more than enough for the system
HOWEVER
There are other things you need to look at
1) Storage space: 8s only has around 1.5GB available for user. Although it has an SD card for personal data, you still have only 1.5GB for apps.
2) Camera: Lumia 920 has a vastly superior back camera, and a front camera.
3) Lumia 920 is a Lumia, therefore it has access to some very cool apps. Nokia releases a new feature for its phones every month or so, whereas HTC is really not s active as Nokia.
4)RAM: 8s only has 512, some premium games will require 1GB
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Thank you for the very informative post, 1.5GB doesnt seem like much for apps. I did read that apps. cannot be stored on an SD card, but then again I didnt think the system would bring the phone to 1.5GB from 4GB.
The reason I considered (yes, considered - defo wont get it now knowing those facts) the 8S is because I simply hate being charged for 24 months!!! Even though we dont pay interest here, its like a never-ending bill. Maybe I should wait for Mobile World Congress, see whats revealed in the Windows Phone world, maybe it will lead to Lumia 920 being dumped in price!?!??
Thanks.

Nokia plans to release a lower end lumia, similar to 8s but with bigger storage space (8GB build-in+SD).
And yes, the system does bring it down that much.

You could always wait for my review of the 8S which will be up later in the week
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Anyway, this forum is pretty great, has options for every Windows Phone 8 known to man that's been released. You can check the respective forums to figure out how other users feel about the phone.
Use the find your device textbox up top the page.

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Nokia plans to release a lower end lumia, similar to 8s but with bigger storage space (8GB build-in+SD).
And yes, the system does bring it down that much.
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Do you mean Lumia 820? Cause I Googled abit and it was the only model I could find that people refer to as "the little brother" of Lumia 920.
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You could always wait for my review of the 8S which will be up later in the week
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I will, thanks for the heads up.

Juusuhako said:
Do you mean Lumia 820? Cause I Googled abit and it was the only model I could find that people refer to as "the little brother" of Lumia 920.
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I think we are talking of the Lumia 620 here. Will be a good budget priced option by the looks of it, similar to the 8S but with more internal storage and all the Nokia apps.

Juusuhako said:
I wanna know if there might be something that im gonna miss if I swap to WP. I expect WP to have the basics of any other smartphone (WiFi-hotspot, a proper GPS/Maps app. to get guided both in car and on foot, News, Notes, Calculator etc. etc. etc.) but if theres something it does not have that I might be used to in Android, please let me know.
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Some things I 'miss' not having are:
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing keyboards.
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing gamepads or controllers.
Video out restrictions via microUSB.
No PC software that can control the phone, so you can sit at a desk PC and control the phone, type, etc.
Juusuhako said:
Would also love to know how updates are handled. Is it through manufacturer (Nokia, HTC etc. like Android), or through MS to ensure all phones gets updated?
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On AT&T in California, USA, both Microsoft, Samsung and AT&T have pushed updates related to their own software, hardware and firmware though the phone and Zune update.
Juusuhako said:
Last but not least, im considering buying the HTC 8S, as it seems to be the cheapest of 'em all. I would love to buy Lumia 920, but im afraid if I dont love the system, or feel like it lacks something I need (such as apps...), im gonna be stuck with a very expensive phone over 2 years.
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I normally don't fear buying a phone and then if it doesn't work out, selling it on the open market. I normally get a high % of the phone's value back and can pay the new phone fee or pay off the contract (we have subsidized phones where I am at).
Have you looked at the lower end Nokia's? Like the 820?

I wanna know if there might be something that im gonna miss if I swap to WP. I expect WP to have the basics of any other smartphone (WiFi-hotspot, a proper GPS/Maps app. to get guided both in car and on foot, News, Notes, Calculator etc. etc. etc.) but if theres something it does not have that I might be used to in Android, please let me know.
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I am Android user for 3 years (Huawei, Xperia, HTC, Samsung) and finally switch to WP.
Damn like quantum leap improvement for speed and reliabilites, while iPhone interface is boring.
I use Lumia 800, now wanna upgrade to Lumia 820.
- WiFi Hotspot already exist in my 800
- Proper GPS Map from Nokia is nice. Offer offline tunr-by-turn navigation and, City Lens (Bing Eye) is amazing.
- News, you can get NewsRoom from Marketplace easily. This is my fave app since Palm WebOS, Android.
- Note is many apps around there from MP, but using built-in Office Note amazing. Uploading on SkyDrive
- Calculator, the amazing SmartBoard you can get from Marketplace, instead of default MS Calculator

The Jones said:
I think we are talking of the Lumia 620 here. Will be a good budget priced option by the looks of it, similar to the 8S but with more internal storage and all the Nokia apps.
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Ah, I see. But thats just on top of MWC, might aswell wait and see reveals then. I wish there was more info on 820, it says it would release this year, but I cant find it available anywhere. Must be delayed.
Thresher said:
Some things I 'miss' not having are:
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing keyboards.
The Bluetooth and micro USB not allowing gamepads or controllers.
Video out restrictions via microUSB.
No PC software that can control the phone, so you can sit at a desk PC and control the phone, type, etc.
On AT&T in California, USA, both Microsoft, Samsung and AT&T have pushed updates related to their own software, hardware and firmware though the phone and Zune update.
I normally don't fear buying a phone and then if it doesn't work out, selling it on the open market. I normally get a high % of the phone's value back and can pay the new phone fee or pay off the contract (we have subsidized phones where I am at).
Have you looked at the lower end Nokia's? Like the 820?
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I never used keyboards or controllers, so thats fine. Same with controling phone via pc.
I wouldnt wanna bind myself for 2 years of payment only to sell it at a lower value and still having to pay it off, that would be throwing money out the window.
Yes, I have looked at 820, but as far as I can tell its not released yet??? Am I wrong?
AREMA said:
I am Android user for 3 years (Huawei, Xperia, HTC, Samsung) and finally switch to WP.
Damn like quantum leap improvement for speed and reliabilites, while iPhone interface is boring.
I use Lumia 800, now wanna upgrade to Lumia 820.
- WiFi Hotspot already exist in my 800
- Proper GPS Map from Nokia is nice. Offer offline tunr-by-turn navigation and, City Lens (Bing Eye) is amazing.
- News, you can get NewsRoom from Marketplace easily. This is my fave app since Palm WebOS, Android.
- Note is many apps around there from MP, but using built-in Office Note amazing. Uploading on SkyDrive
- Calculator, the amazing SmartBoard you can get from Marketplace, instead of default MS Calculator
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I might get Nokia just for the GPS maps they have, seems like nice software. Thanks for heads up about basic apps.

Yes, I have looked at 820, but as far as I can tell its not released yet??? Am I wrong?
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Different country, different release date.
In Indonesia, Lumia 920 and 820 will release on Dec 22, 2012.
And I have pre-ordered ticket for it. To upgrade my amazing Lumia 800 into Lumia 820 (for screen size/slim reason)..
Now, actually Lumia 800 getting official update 7.8
http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-5213p2.php

Hello im sick about Android.
Iphone to restricted and way tooooooo expensive.
I will take the HTC 8X ! But i will wait at least 3-4 months. Buy it cheap and see how wp8 is performing and developing.

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Different country, different release date.
In Indonesia, Lumia 920 and 820 will release on Dec 22, 2012.
And I have pre-ordered ticket for it. To upgrade my amazing Lumia 800 into Lumia 820 (for screen size/slim reason)..
Now, actually Lumia 800 getting official update 7.8
http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-5213p2.php
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Read Lumia 820 releases in January here. :/
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Hello im sick about Android.
Iphone to restricted and way tooooooo expensive.
I will take the HTC 8X ! But i will wait at least 3-4 months. Buy it cheap and see how wp8 is performing and developing.
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Thing is, I really wanna get my hands on a new handset, just to have it and try it. However, im currently home-going till March where I start college again, and my current phone just stands in my dock all day long and I barely use it. I think if I got a new phone it would also just sit and not be used, that is until I start college again. But thats in March, maybe by then there are better options available.
Such a difficult choice, cause I hate waiting.

I suggest HTC 8x, it has beautiful design and thin, beast audio is great so. you can read more review of htc 8x here : http://360dmobile.com/reviews-htc-8x-is-the-best-windows-phone-8-handset-out-there/

I just suggest dont get anything with less than 8gb of memory in it if you want to enjoy apps...and a lot of them. Personally my rule is 16gb, so I can have lots of apps, a bunch of music and a few videos but, my next phone MUST have 32gb...

Just to reinforce that the 8S is bad ... the browsing awful (slow, reflow issues, bugs, low features), somehow even though Microsoft tried to prevent fragmentation they were not capable of coding a browser for a smaller resolution. Lots of random screen taps too.

Sounds like an isolated issue with your phone since no review I've found has any problems with it and they all consider it being the best of the mid-range WP8's.

Lumia 950/950 XL Android ROM possibly found?

I have read the closed threads here. I found a ROM site but I'm not sure what to make of it because it seems to work only with Android installed by design?
Which, for the 950 series hasn't seemed possible. If Microsoft was abandoning the project, why didn't they go back to having an Astoria enabled ROM as the final version?
https://romindex.com/android-for-lumia-for-microsoft-lumia-950950-xl/"]https://romindex.com/android-for-lumia-for-microsoft-lumia-950950-xl/
I'd like to attempt it. Microsoft has been progressively disabling features in every app that competes with Skype for free video calling.
Oh, and for months now, Skype video calling is upside down on all 950 series.
Why MS even bothered if they are abandoning the OS is just really malicious towards customers.
I keep looking for alternatives because the hardware was really good.
Just the MS OS development was managed by absolutely deaf morons.
Spare me the insults. I'm just looking at possible solutions.

I am a proud (not so much anymore) owner of a Lumia 950 myself and I have been looking everywhere for an answer to your question.
I myself have found the same link you posted and have been wondering whether it is something that would work or not. The device has very impressive specs and I would like to use it for something more than a (relatively) expensive paperweight! However I find all the root/flash/whatever Lumia X50 series sites a bit too odd. The writing of the content is as if the device is already running Android and seem to be old. They "smell fishy" to say the least.
To add to the doubt, I have been following the news on Android for Lumia for a long time now and the development has been very slow to say the least. Nothing actually works on the device with the current state of the ROM. It is quite unfortunate but I don't think it will ever do. Porting Android to Lumias looks like too much work, plus even though the specs are impressive they are already dated with how smartphone tech is "advancing".
I know that this is not an answer per se but I hope it will give you some perspective.
As for many of the decisions that MS has made with the whole Windows mobile scene, don't get me started there!

I know this is an old thread, but I too am interested since MS is killing bits off of WM10 starting with Cortana as an assistant since last week. I have a new 950xl I was thinking of putting WoA on, but not so sure anymore since it's still not polished as an everyday OS yet. I'm still dailying my 3 yo black Friday XL/950/dock package from 2016, but pissed that Cortana is now only a glorified search bar.
I see no reason why someone couldn't get a decent version of 'droid on these. The hardware is more than up to task and would keep a familiar feeling in our hands. I hate to say it, but MS forced us here.

Install 2 apk on 950xl, the most important ones.

Hello,
I would like to know if anyone can test two apps, the only two really important to me.
Opera for android: apkpure.com/opera-with-free-vpn
ProtonMail: apkpure.com/protonmail-encrypte
I have not yet buy the phone, I would just like to know if the app works really well.
I do not want android phone or apple, I do not like the interface of these 2, too geek, not at all pro.
Can someone try to install these 2 app on his 950? And tell me if it works well?
Do you have tips for installing apk on Windows phone?
Can you please try to install those apps for us and make a small tutorial ?

The Lumia 950 and 950 XL are Windows powered phones. They don't run Android. Windows 10 Mobile has no notion of what an apk file is. It has it's own package.
Despite an excellent phone (if you don't care about apps, beside the select popular ones, and open to Microsoft ecosystem of the time), I would advice not getting it. The ecosystem is gone.
Support for the OS has been terminated from Microsoft (including security update end of last month). The phone got almost 4 years of support. It is a very old phone. Support of apps are being terminated if they are not already. In addition, the battery probably needs to be changed, and finding a good one (and not a cheap one or old production one), due to the very low popularity of the device, will be difficult. A poor or old battery results in fluctuating power delivery, mixed with the phone design flaw of not being able to manage this issue properly, leads to strange behaviors including random restarts and crashes.
The only web browser you have on this phone, are all using Edge web browser engine. And sadly, a growing number of sites are not fairing well, because the version of Edge on the phone is now old (much older than Edge on full Windows 10 on PCs), and already the web browser has a very small percentage of usage, and even that is being scrapped to be replaced with a new Edge that Microsoft is working on, which is based on Chromium engine. Keep in mind that "Windows 10 Mobile" is not "Windows 10". They are 2 different OSs. To be clear, the only similarities are some underground kernel level components, APIs, and the fact that they can run UWP apps, the name, but that is about it. It cannot run Windows executable files (*.exe). They are none with VPN. You can setup VPN on the phone if you want, which you'll need to toggle on/off when needed.
For Mail, your options is the Windows 10 Mail app which comes with it.
As for Maps, it is the same one as Windows 10, which hasn't been updated since Windows 10 Mobile was discontinued. It features old maps that are over 1 year old, possibly more depending on your region.

never buy apple or public star android
This is so bad, the 950xl have a better performance , a largely better screen quality and a largely better sound than the others Lumia or Google phones , for half price than a pixel 3 or a Lumia 8.1 ...
Microsoft was very good on hardware , specially the screen quality.
Google and Apple are billionnaires, who *insert at will* all users datas on their phones... Totally lose their minds about internet freedom place and give all datas to governement who *insert at will* people with stupid and non human laws and taxes.
You cant imagine what is it buying an Android or a Apple phone interface for me.
Hope Microsoft Will reborn and take advantage of all good skilled developers , instead of making some big browser without an well and easy dev console.
The last question is :
Is OPERA MINI old xapp file will be different than edge browser , and can it be Install with a tool ?

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Hmm no. That is not true (or I am not sure I follow you). In fact, a Snapdragon (and yes that has shocked me) 670 (the one in the Pixel 3a, as example) is actually a bit faster than the Snapdragon 810 in the Lumia 950 XL. Qualcomm managed to really push performance forward over the years (~4 years). And in addition, the newer Qualcomm chips are much harder to throttle than the 810, due to their much reduced power consumption under load. While Microsoft brought some PC innovation like heatpipes to the Lumia 950 XL making it the few phones on the market with the 810 that could actually record 4K continuously without skipping after 30sec or so (due to throttling), it is still can throttle if you can take a lot of pictures in a row with little pause (due to the post processing on images) and other extended demanding tasks. So yes, at the time of release it as great, today, it is really not, sadly.
a largely better screen quality and a largely better sound than the others Lumia or Google phones , for half price than a pixel 3 or a Lumia 8.1 ...
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At the time of release, sure. However, today and since a few years ago (and longer for some) many phone manufactures, add some color preference adjustment like the Lumia series has, so you can adjust things somewhat. I have to say, that one thing surprised is that both iPhones and Android powered phone still doesn't have automatic contrast adjustment to make the screen more visible to read under the sunlight. It only relies on the screen being able to be bright enough. That said, Microsoft doesn't make screens. OLED is made by 2 main manufactures in the world: LG and Samsung. For mass production product, these are essentially your only choices as a phone manufacture.
Microsoft was very good on hardware , specially the screen quality.
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Yes they were, same as Nokia. And we can see that skill continue today with the Surface line systems and the XBox One S and X model (which where made by the Surface team, contrary to the first release model of the XBox One).
Sadly, while they had amazing hardware, the software was lacking, and developer support was already dying when Windows Phone 7 was released.
Ballmer monkey'ing around and screening "developers developers developers" doesn't do **** to grow developer interest in Windows when you have nothing to deliver, not to mention (at least based on leaks and rumors) complete miss management on many aspect of the company at the time. Including but not limited to different teams discourage to help other teams, have teams re-invent the wheel for something that already exists in the company, missing out on huge market opportunities, ignoring competitors despite internal alerts being raised, upper management and CEO being disconnected from reality in their own bubble, treating the company like it is the 90's while we are well into the 2000's. making the Windows Phone team fight for survival internally since day 1, lacking resources and internal political power to do their job. Forcing Microsoft employees and developers to use their own frameworks and solutions which many are rushed out, and as a result poorly done and clunky to work with, just to have a "Microsoft solution" of something that already exists in the market and has been there for years being polished and took all its time to develop correctly and be optimized. Not to mention that Microsoft never put actual effort in selling Windows phones, with 0 advertisement, and 0 bonuses of any kind to cellphone store and providers while both Apple and pretty much all Android manufactures, gave substantial returns to sales staff and companies to promote and push their device. This has greatly helped Samsung and Apple, and look where they are now.... Anyway, I am going on a tangent.
Returning back, all this has changed. Of course, it isn't a next day thing. Company culture, especially of the size of Microsoft, takes a long time to change, but results shows. When now, today, you have Windows 10 on ARM, not even officially launched, just soft lunched, with expensive, limited quantity, primarily US only, ARMed based systems, fraction of the current Windows 10 Mobile user base, has more developer excitement for then Windows Phone as a whole, shows how things turned. Heck, no one used to care about icons being changed in Windows 10 and Office, now it is all the rage. An extreme soft launch OS, already has big player interest without the company throwing any money at developers. Just on top of my head you have: Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, (and of course, the new Chromium Edge), and full VLC on Windows 10 on ARM or is in the active works.
Microsoft has changed, they are open, they actually listen, actually do serious actions to promote developers interest, knows where it can and can't compete and goes its own way, and let competition take its course, allow Microsoft employees to use whatever is available outside of the company to make great software and great experiences for the user.
So yes, I am sure that if they try again (not yet, however, later), things can be different. But there is still a lot of work to be done for the company. They still need to continue to work on their image, and shows that time have indeed changed for the company.
Google and Apple are billionnaires, who all users datas on their phones... Totally lose their minds about internet freedom place and give all datas to governement who people with stupid and non human laws and taxes.
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Hmmm... Do I go in Microsoft dark history? If I do, you'll probably hate the company as much as Google and Apple, if not more. Company direction have changed. If we go by today, Apple has been much more protective of user personal data than Microsoft (and of course Google). Their business model is selling services (and one can say accessories too, based on their financial reports). That is their focus. Microsoft is complicated, because they touch a multitude of products and services, and you have products and service that crosses each other. For example, Microsoft does sell your user data if you use Bing, and Microsoft/Bing advertisement platform (which Windows 8/10 made apps can use).
However, if it is a question of trust, or "least evil" from your perspective:
You can limit what Google get from you if you have an Android device. Nothing stops you from installing Microsoft excellent and well reviewed Launcher to replace the Google's launcher, if you use Pixel device, or don't like the manufacture of the device one. You can also use the many great apps from Microsoft on Android including Edge web browser. The only thing that will touch Google is if you use Google Pay feature (which I don't think it is actually a deal braker) and Google Play Store (you could use alternative stores technically, but let's assume you want the best security mixed with a large store where you are sure to find everything at their latest versions as they are released). Same for using Cortana instead of Google Assistance.
Mix that Android phone with Windows 10 "Your Phone" feature, and you are set with a similar/better experience that what Windows 10 Mobile users used to get (MS pulled the plug on this).
You cant imagine what is it buying an Android or Apple phone interface for me.
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First, let's stay professional, please.
Second, I can perfectly relate, (as I am looking at my Lumia 950 XL that I am actually using as main device), this is not helped that Windows Phone 7, 8 and Windows 10 Mobile had many features that was ahead of their time. But with Android Q on the way, and with "Your Phone" (at least if you are part of Windows 10 Insider program, not sure how it is on the official release version as of the moment of writing), feature parity with Windows 10 Mobile, and has it's own benefits and feature set that Windows 10 Mobile didn't have.
The last question is :
Is OPERA MINI old xapp file will be different than edge browser , and can it be Install with a tool ?
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Nope. Any web browser found in the MS Store had to comply with the fact that they had to use the OS built-in web browser engine. The same policy applies for iOS devices, but not Android.
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Personally, I am getting Pixel 3 or 3a soon (haven't yet decided. Not interested in the Pixel 4 ugly design).
Why?
-> Yes, it is Google and I don't like it, but I know I'll stick to Microsoft ecosystem for the most part.
-> Unlike Apple, I can switch to Microsoft ecosystem for the most part.
-> Google did demonstrate to me, that yes they do provide 3 years of support in both security and sofware update. I expect to get not only Android Q with the Pixel 3a, if go with it, but also Android R and S, beside the security updates and firmware updates.
-> Android has custom ROMs powered by a large and active community, so if there is anything, I can switch separating myself more from Google, and have, in some ways, extended device support.
-> Pixel 3/3a series has genuinely a better camera than the Lumia 950 XL, justifying the upgrade for me. The Lumia 950 XL did have a camera that was, in my opinion, 3 years ahead of the competition. While these days are over, it is nice to actually get an updated camera and not one equivalent, or worst a downgrade.

Toilet Paper said:
(...) -> Pixel 3/3a series has genuinely a better camera than the Lumia 950 XL, justifying the upgrade for me. (...)
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Google Pixel 3a VS. Microsoft Lumia 950: Comparison
I would not be so sure that the equipment, ten times more expensive, is worth its price only because of the camera.
Lumia 950 is currently very cheap on the secondary market.
If someone does not have, I recommend that you buy this model for the pleasure of owning and using good equipment.
I am an enthusiast of the android, but I can also appreciate good solutions on a different platform.

ok google, please spy my apple
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I would not be so sure that the equipment, ten times more expensive, is worth its price only because of the camera.
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Buying a phone at the price of UHD TV is not a good argument for justify the fresh tech inside.
For this reason, i will never buy a phone that display a half of a tv for double price.
I think essentialy to Apple who let users think its a good opportunity to be usefull in buying a 4k display smartphone for the triple price of the 4K Tv, assumong it is less ressources... Less ressources ok but less cost also mister Cook ! :laugh:

mayapi said:
Hello,
I would like to know if anyone can test two apps, the only two really important to me.
Opera for android: apkpure.com/opera-with-free-vpn
ProtonMail: apkpure.com/protonmail-encrypte
I have not yet buy the phone, I would just like to know if the app works really well.
I do not want android phone or apple, I do not like the interface of these 2, too geek, not at all pro.
Can someone try to install these 2 app on his 950? And tell me if it works well?
Do you have tips for installing apk on Windows phone?
Can you please try to install those apps for us and make a small tutorial ?
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BTW WIndows has a built-in VPN system. Android has it too, but I like Windows more.

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mayapi said:
ok google, please spy my apple
Buying a phone at the price of UHD TV is not a good argument for justify the fresh tech inside.
For this reason, i will never buy a phone that display a half of a tv for double price.
I think essentialy to Apple who let users think its a good opportunity to be usefull in buying a 4k display smartphone for the triple price of the 4K Tv, assumong it is less ressources... Less ressources ok but less cost also mister Cook ! :laugh:
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