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Google Doesn't Acknolwedge SE X10 as Android

Take a look at this matrix of Android powered devices offered around the world that Google lists for comparison reasons. Sony Ericsson isn't even on the list of manufacturers! Goes to show you what others think of our Xperia X10...
http://www.google.com/phone/#manufacturer=all&category=withgoogle&carrier=all&country=all&reset_filters=1

I know. Saw it earlier today.
Well, since SE sux, it's not actually surprising

OK then its true
some one told me that SE had a "deal problem" with google because, as he told me that SE should pay to google so that SE can use the android OS on their phones. And that problem was the cause of "Eclair" delay and now every thing settled so they officially announced the maintenance shop about the release date of the "Eclair". Actually the sales as i mentioned before in SE shops in different countries received "Eclair" training, so that means it was out and running on the phones. Connecting every thing together i can believe that guy in what he told me.

saeam said:
some one told me that SE had a "deal problem" with google because, as he told me that SE should pay to google so that SE can use the android OS on their phones. And that problem was the cause of "Eclair" delay and now every thing settled so they officially announced the maintenance shop about the release date of the "Eclair". Actually the sales as i mentioned before in SE shops in different countries received "Eclair" training, so that means it was out and running on the phones. Connecting every thing together i can believe that guy in what he told me.
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Since you connected the dots, would that mean that google will add X10 to the list? I feel like X10 was running WM and then hacked to have Android thats why GOOGle doesn't recognize it.

As I posted in another thread:
They are only listing Google Experience phones on that site. Here is a quote from the Engadget blog:
Only, it's not just any devices running the platform: according to the Official Google Mobile blog, "all the phones in the gallery include Android Market, Google Search, and other Google Mobile services such as Gmail, Maps, and YouTube." In other words, no phones that meddle with the Android Vision by opting for Bing or Yahoo instead.
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It's probably because they overtake the gallery and music apps on their devices. The Samsung Fascinate isn't listed there either.

Nimche said:
Since you connected the dots, would that mean that google will add X10 to the list? I feel like X10 was running WM and then hacked to have Android thats why GOOGle doesn't recognize it.
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LOOOOOOOL its not about adding X10, its about adding SE as android manufacturer. And maybe SE is not listed due to what that man said
Also i can see many brands not listed, even from HTC, aslo different manufactureres also not listed, so i dont know if it is money issues and deals "something like OEM", or just they dont update this list "I dont know".

Does it really matter... until we know the criteria for choosing those phones... we can't really comment on it. And even once we do, does it make the X10 any less awesome?

Sure nooooo i love this phone and SE and i will not change it
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Hmm, actually I think they've just begun to fill this website and a lot of phones are still missing (HTC Desire for example), earlier this morning there were no LG phones and no Motorola phones either.

Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?

i'm hoping se are getting rid of the google crap from the phone. it'll probably make our phones faster. google are starting to piss me off more than microsoft.
i also think we'll see a bing search widget in the next update.
As for the update being ready, you are wrong unfortunately. The following website lists all sony firmware that is certified and ready for distribution, but 2.2 doesn't appear on the list
http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/complete_request.cfm?tab=Certified

iead1 said:
Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?
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Everyone, please move to room B202 for lecture about android. Professor ....

pally777 said:
Take a look at this matrix of Android powered devices offered around the world that Google lists for comparison reasons. Sony Ericsson isn't even on the list of manufacturers! Goes to show you what others think of our Xperia X10...
http://www.google.com/phone/#manufacturer=all&category=withgoogle&carrier=all&country=all&reset_filters=1
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Sorry but this is not a list of Android powered phones. That's the list of "Google Phones".

lornova said:
Sorry but this is not a list of Android powered phones. That's the list of "Google Phones".
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Google is not a phone manufacturer. Yet!

iead1 said:
Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?
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This guy is right. Android is like Linux, its free to use the software on a phone.
Anyone remember when Apple sued HTC because of multitouch, but multitouch is an Android kernel. Apple couldn't sue google because android is nonprofit.

Actually android is built on top of linux kernel, linux kernel is free distribution but android is ownership of google and they can sell it same as many of other "not free linux distribution" and profissional system admins will understand what am telling. So please guys watch ur talk. maybe if some one read google's android license "i didnt" and knows exactly if companies should pay to google or no can tell us the right information
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SE android phones Sucks

iead1 said:
Why would SE have to pay for a free operating system?
.... Do you guys even know what Android is?
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They still need to pay for the Google services.
Also that list isnt exhaustive till know, so i wouldnt interpret too much into that

Guys...do you know what do those phones have in common??? They all have Google Logos on the back to the battery covers!! and most of them are US market phones except the Milestone.

You need to click through some options they are listed
Your search for With Google phones made by sony-ericsson in all countries and available on any operator did not match any result.
Suggestions:
* Change the filter options.
* Try browsing all phones in the Google Phone Gallery.
the link to ALL PHONES shows the X10 range down at the bottom
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Piracy on Android

Hey guys,
Recently there's been talks about piracy on Android and how developers seem to shy away from it and produce games for iOS. That's actually the reason why developers of Infinite Blade refuses to port the game to Android. I've recently gotten the chance to speak with the creative director Matt Small of Vector Unit (Riptide GP). In this interview he talks about piracy and how its equal on both sides of the os. You guys really think its that bad? In truth when GTA 3 came out today someone already posted the apk on this forums mere hours it showed up in the market.
Anyway check it out:
http://droidgamers.com/index.php/ga...-unit-talks-piracy-tegra-and-of-course-games-
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IOS apps are easily pirated as well.. I just don't see how that is a legitimate reason to turn down some extra profits by porting it to Android.
Piracy runs rampant on any OS, mobile or not. The Infinity Blade developers might use that as an excuse for some secret underlying hatred for Android
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lol infinity blade? sorry didn't hear you I was too busy playing blood and glory because GLU aren't picky developers.
I've may have downloaded a few apps with my *special* discount, I try to help developers out when I can. Especially if they're small and offering a good app, I'd feel too guilty otherwise. But if I'm short on cash one week and you have an app like adobe kuler going for 10 dollars...
I mean c'mon its 10 dollars for an app that selects colors. I guess if you have an indecisive wife who can't make her mind up about which blouse to wear it pays off eventually... but for the rest of us it's robbery.
Also it's always nice to try an app or game before you buy it, some don't always offer lite versions. If I bought each of the media players I went through before finding dice player, I'd have to take out a couple of mortgages.

The only time I may have downloaded an apk was for gameloft. Of course I purchased the game, but their lack of support for android is astounding. It's like they don't want it to be sold. For example, many of their games can easily run by on our Transformer, but instead they make it only available to the xoom or galaxy tab, and no they don't have any exclusive deals with those companies.
Glu is a different story. I appreciate their work in putting high quality games out but the pay to play feature is getting old quick. I'd rather pay 10 bucks for infinity blade than pay a buck here and there and end up spending more than its worth without noticing.

From things my fiancee has told me about people and their iPods, if piracy was a big concern, I would not touch iOS with a twenty thousand dollar anti-piracy framework let along develop for it lol. Can't say that I hear much about it on Android, although I'm sure there is just as much.
In Android, IMHO there is a fair model available and going much past the what was intended, means either you are doing it wrong or you're stupid. People can make piracy (and cheating) harder than the average people. But then you're just going to have the really smart ones pull it off, and probably make more in the long run than the worthless game. The best you can do is lose users, money, and time, by putting to much into anti-piracy efforts, versus making a better and more affordable game. 1 x $6 game that gets pirated more than it sold, versus 4 x $1 games that probably gets pirated as often as it's sold is still a gain.
If it does more than play video and accept input, you can't make a pirate (or cheat) proof game. No way mathematically in my honest opinion.
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imitebewrong said:
IOS apps are easily pirated as well.. I just don't see how that is a legitimate reason to turn down some extra profits by porting it to Android.
Piracy runs rampant on any OS, mobile or not. The Infinity Blade developers might use that as an excuse for some secret underlying hatred for Android
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Epic Games have a deal with Apple to keep the game exclusive to iOS. Whatever they give as a reason not to go to Android is PR bull****.
To any Devs think about piracy on Android chew on this, Android market just hit 10 billion downloads, 25% of those were game downloads. Pardon my math but that's a **** LOAD of downloads. You'd think Epic Games weren't EPIC STUPID enough to port their game to Android.
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Still aside from Epic. A number of iOS cite android as piracy magnet. I can't wait till we shed this as the OS matures which I believe (aside from small hickups) is already at apples doorstep. I'm willing to bet the next major upgrade we receive will not only catch up to iOS but surpass it.
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Isn't there an app for that on iOS? (Seriously)

Pirates! Scurvy dogs.
Is there a pirated app that will make my transformer work like an ipad? Bleh!

fliparsenal said:
Still aside from Epic. A number of iOS cite android as piracy magnet. I can't wait till we shed this as the OS matures which I believe (aside from small hickups) is already at apples doorstep. I'm willing to bet the next major upgrade we receive will not only catch up to iOS but surpass it.
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That is a red herring. It's about the equivalent of saying you won't develop for Xbox 360 because of Piracy and you will stick with developing for PS3. Total and utter bull****.

ease of piracy
The problem with android is, how easy it is to download and install pirated apps..
On iOS you have to jailbreak first, when you use Android you check off a little box and voila - instant access to all the apps that you can find using, ironically, Google..
Let's say for instance you had to root an Android phone, and not using click-to-root methods, but actually "working" a bit for it..
How many of the people who now just share apps, would consider it too much of a hassle/risk ? (chance of bricking, and all that )

TheTransformer said:
The problem with android is, how easy it is to download and install pirated apps..
On iOS you have to jailbreak first, when you use Android you check off a little box and voila - instant access to all the apps that you can find using, ironically, Google..
Let's say for instance you had to root an Android phone, and not using click-to-root methods, but actually "working" a bit for it..
How many of the people who now just share apps, would consider it too much of a hassle/risk ? (chance of bricking, and all that )
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Well, that's what conventional wisdom would tell you. And yet the numbers of piracy are the same on both sides of the fence.

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Meh. Piracy on Android is more hassle than it's worth. I can understand it for $100 PC games, where the pirates can actually deliver a superior product to the retail outlet (DRM infestations, etc), but for $1-5 apps on the Android/iOS market? Nah.

TheTransformer said:
The problem with android is, how easy it is to download and install pirated apps..
On iOS you have to jailbreak first, when you use Android you check off a little box and voila - instant access to all the apps that you can find using, ironically, Google..
Let's say for instance you had to root an Android phone, and not using click-to-root methods, but actually "working" a bit for it..
How many of the people who now just share apps, would consider it too much of a hassle/risk ? (chance of bricking, and all that )
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Once jailbroken though, you can install an app-store like app that downloads every app for free... Making the effort to jailbreak, and then install this app makes using pirated apps even easier than searching and downloading an apk for Android.
There's no doubt piracy is a factor on every OS... and someone is going to make it easy for an average user..... Although, Android does tend to have more technically inclined users than IOS.

Piracy on Android? There will always be piracy regardless of whatever platform its on.
Xbox 360: People mod their consoles to play pirated games.
PS3: Same thing
PC: same thing with piracy
iOS devices: Jailbreak and install unauthorized apps/games from third-party "app stores"
Android: this will be the same thing. It's nothing new...
If anything, its the way the game developers market their game. For example,
Let's take a look at Gameloft taking advantage of "device availability." Devices such as the Transformer can play the game... but somehow Galaxy Tab 10.1 can't!? so this forces the customer to find a apk for it and download the apk and finds out that its working!
Small little things like that irritate the customers. Kinda the same thing with GTA III and its device launch. But they actually have a legitimate reason because it doesn't run on the device.

I think the guy who download a pirated apk has no money to buy the real app, or has no the way to buy it, even, having the money and the willing to buy the app.
Here, in Argentina, there is no other way to buy an Android app on Market if you don't have an international credit card. A lot of people gets the money in cash, no banks involved, so, to get the credit card you need to work in a corporation o have a very good job (I'm talking about Argentina).
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Ep2008 is right, 15 minutes is not enough for test some apps, even, some apps has misleading descriptions. Sometimes the app does not works well on your device (in iOS you can buy it and you know that it will works well).
Buy an app is a risk if the developer is "jhon Doe" (or Gameloft...) but, if you are buying from, for example, Rockstar, you know that you are buying something that worth you money.
Developers who complains about Android are the ones who don't have a good reputation.

As a small developer:
1) I mostly make ad supported games right now (Google allows selling only from 20 countries, mine not included) so I'm happy if someone copies it of course.
2) If someone blocks ads I don't much care as long as he is happy and recommends my games to others,
3) From what I read from other (small) developers piracy is not that high of an issue (some of them were counting the pirated copies and it was like 1% or sth like that).
For larger companies and more pricier games the percentage is probably much higher, I don't know. But mostly those who pirate a game wouldn't buy it anyway. And they can recommend it to those who buy.
Personally I also prefer ad supported but free games (like Aporkalypse, great fun, ads not problematic) - but some people hate them, I know.

zephiK said:
Piracy on Android? There will always be piracy regardless of whatever platform its on.
Xbox 360: People mod their consoles to play pirated games.
PS3: Same thing
PC: same thing with piracy
iOS devices: Jailbreak and install unauthorized apps/games.
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Piracy is virtually non existant on PS3. It has the lowest piracy rate of, any platform.
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This is not to say I'm a robot. My 10 year old nephew downloads apostle because he can't buy for his tablet.

Which ads network is better?

I have a question to the developers with practical experience of using different ad networks: which one is better, Microsoft Advertising or Google AdMob or ... ?
I'm interested actually in two points: ad performance and monthly cash flow (based on the same ad performance).
So, in ideal case it should be results from the one app with two (or more) randomly displayed ads from the different networks (but it may be prohibited by agreement - I should re-read FAQ).

sensboston said:
I have a question to the developers with practical experience of using different ad networks: which one is better, Microsoft Advertising or Google AdMob or ... ?
I'm interested actually in two points: ad performance and monthly cash flow (based on the same ad performance).
So, in ideal case it should be results from the one app with two (or more) randomly displayed ads from the different networks (but it may be prohibited by agreement - I should re-read FAQ).
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MS performed quite oke for me, dont have it too long and not high volume yet, so cant really say how it will hold in the future. Admob screwed me bigtime though, at some point 10.000 impressions for 1 cent and even worse some even for 0 cent . I have statistics for you if you want. It used to generate quite good, but than when I really got lots of impressions they only supplied crappy ads, for 0.001 ecpm.
But yeah my advice is just experiment with both and see which you prefer. Admob can be nice but its very unstable so dont try to rely too much on it.
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But I have also seen other days where the revenue was about 20/30 dollars for the same amount of adrequests (unfortunately those days where very rare).
The average is about 40/50.000 requests a day that month and about 30.000 impressions a day. Of course the downside of pubcenter is that not all ads are available everywhere.

Thanks for reply and info, Marvin! Hmm, I'm really disappointed of AdMob Seems like MS paid 8-10 times more (based on ad impressions statistics). It's strange - I'm expected at least similar values...
MS ads control works good and stable enough, so probably I'll go with MS ads for my next fun project app.
BTW, have you tried AdDuplex guys? AFAIK, it's an ad exchange network (no payment option), correct? But may be it's a good way to promote app.

sensboston said:
Thanks for reply and info, Marvin! Hmm, I'm really disappointed of AdMob Seems like MS paid 8-10 times more (based on ad impressions statistics). It's strange - I'm expected at least similar values...
MS ads control works good and stable enough, so probably I'll go with MS ads for my next fun project app.
BTW, have you tried AdDuplex guys? AFAIK, it's an ad exchange network (no payment option), correct? But may be it's a good way to promote app.
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Yeah adduplex does not work, have used it for a while zero payments. The user base is too small.
Thats true MS Pubcenter seems the most reliable and most rewarding. But they dont supply ads all around the world. So you might use Admob as backup, for whatever spare cents you can take and you might get lucky and have some good days. The statistics I showed you were indeed the worst case but they were far more common than the high ecpm ads, and as you see 60.000 adrequests a day is quite a lot (every 30 seconds) and indeed I kind of felt robbed by them as it should have earned me around 800 dollars the month with Pubcenter instead of 20. I've experimented with most known networks and I've been using Admob for sinplicity (and Pubcenter was not available back than in my country), since it was available have been a happy user. And now just use admob to catch the remains.

I've tried a few, but have in mind that my apps are relatively new(less than 1 month) and with very low volume. Results:
Microsoft: I think they give the highest revenue, but I've read that the fill rate is very low outside US/UK. I didn't find any fill rate statistic in their interface, only impressions.
AdMob: I got fill rate around 30%. Because they pay by click, I got much less revenue than the same number of impressions from Microsoft. Interesting here is that the eCPM is relatively high, around 0.9$. I think users click AdMob ads more often than others because all Microsoft and AdDuplex ads are text-only but AdMob has some image ads.
Millenial media: very low fill rate (~3%), not worth the effort. Haven't tried them for real, very buggy ad control.
Inneractive: they claimed to have a very high fill-rate for outside US and UK so I tested them. They might have a high fill rate but they were serving iPhone ads. For iPhone apps! In Windows Phone! When you click the ad you got redirected to iTunes. I asked them what happens they answered that this was normal, those ads were paid for. Poor iPhone advertisers... I decided not to use them.
AdDuplex: still new to them, no idea what happens there.
My suggestion: use a control that rotate different ad networks, this way you will not lose impressions when some of the networks fail to supply ad.
Hope this helps. Will be happy to learn the experience of other developers out there.

sensboston said:
I have a question to the developers with practical experience of using different ad networks: which one is better, Microsoft Advertising or Google AdMob or ... ?
I'm interested actually in two points: ad performance and monthly cash flow (based on the same ad performance).
So, in ideal case it should be results from the one app with two (or more) randomly displayed ads from the different networks (but it may be prohibited by agreement - I should re-read FAQ).
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admob is good...if you have global traffic try some platforms like adiquity,mobclix..I have got good results from them..

Kevin Campbell said:
admob is good...if you have global traffic try some platforms like adiquity,mobclix..I have got good results from them..
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Could you share your results, please? I mean real numbers, not just word "good". Also, do they have ready-to-go control, easy to embed (like MS control)? How stable/good these WP7 controls/components? Thanks!

sensboston said:
Could you share your results, please? I mean real numbers, not just word "good". Also, do they have ready-to-go control, easy to embed (like MS control)? How stable/good these WP7 controls/components? Thanks!
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Currently i am using adiquity & my majority of traffic comes from south africa in an ACPC of 15-18 cents & fill rate 85%-90%.
I used admob before & someday i got CPC upto 25 cents but the problem is the fill rate which fluctuates a lot i have heard good things about mobclix..

billtapit said:
To answer your question, Google Admob is better definetely.
I don't have a lot of information on you to better assist you though.
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Hmm, you don't have any proof or numbers, just an opinion. Sorry but it's useless... I trust to recognized developers and people with own experience only, not to unknown marketing guys from the advertising startup.

sensboston said:
I have a question to the developers with practical experience of using different ad networks: which one is better, Microsoft Advertising or Google AdMob or ... ?
I'm interested actually in two points: ad performance and monthly cash flow (based on the same ad performance).
So, in ideal case it should be results from the one app with two (or more) randomly displayed ads from the different networks (but it may be prohibited by agreement - I should re-read FAQ).
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Hi,
I personally used Tapit as my Ad network for my app. Their support team is knowledgeable to assist me with different ad types to monetize my app. They are are fairly new company that offer competitive ECPM, you should check them out.

stevesmith84 said:
I personally used Tapit as my Ad network for my app.
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Is it some kind of aggressive but stupid marketing? Two users (just registered, with no posts at all!) are advertising same company with common words but without real numbers and experience...
Seems like this Tapit is just reseller... wanna some money for nothing.
P.S. Thanks, bro, you two - I'll stay away from Tapit as far as I can

sensboston said:
Is it some kind of aggressive but stupid marketing? Two users (just registered, with no posts at all!) are advertising same company with common words but without real numbers and experience...
Seems like this Tapit is just reseller... wanna some money for nothing.
P.S. Thanks, bro, you two - I'll stay away from Tapit as far as I can
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i use tapit
nah j/k well tbh i just only used 2 ad networks mobfox and admob, i get better fillrate so i made more money from admob :/

Have you guys ever heard of leadbolt? I only use the notification ad from them since it fits my apps ( live wallpapers).
Haven't been using them long but looking good so far. My user base is small so im not expecting big amounts right now. Everything grows with your user base. The attachment is from leadbolt my last 7 days.
I also just started using StartApp 2 days ago ( so no stats ) but they don't pay via ads they pay per install. For every US install you get $.055USD. Non US $.04 and returning user $.01. So if you get 1000 US installs that $55USD. No screenshot for it since ive only had them 2 days.
StartApp appears that it will pay more in the long run since the $.055 is set unlike ads that can go up and down in pay you get that same pay for each US install.
I use both together. So I should get for a us install $.055 then whatever the leadbolt ads generate after that.
I have heard Startapp doesn't get as many bad 1 star ratings as others thats why I chose them over the others. I haven't had any negative reviews for leadbolt to date.
Anyway good luck.

I've tried a few of the ad networks out there. I'm sticking with admob because it allows me to know when a user has clicked on an ad. When a user does that, I remove the banner for some period of time.
Other ad networks either don't notify the app that the user clicked, or they forbid giving the user an incentive for their click. Ads are important to me because they're the only way I can make profit. I can't sell apps on Google Play.

So, here's my current admob situation. I feel that the app, live wallpaper, is doing relatively well...however, I feel like I'm not making as much money from the ads as I should be. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Anyone have any advice? I'm starting to get downloads in the thousands per day. Any advice as to how I can get more money from the ads would be appreciated. I'm sure I'll eclipse the 70k impressions today. The fill rates seems to be pretty good too. The clicks, however, are horrible.

qkhang said:
So, here's my current admob situation. I feel that the app, live wallpaper, is doing relatively well...however, I feel like I'm not making as much money from the ads as I should be. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Anyone have any advice? I'm starting to get downloads in the thousands per day. Any advice as to how I can get more money from the ads would be appreciated. I'm sure I'll eclipse the 70k impressions today. The fill rates seems to be pretty good too. The clicks, however, are horrible.
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All of my apps are live wallpapers and I could not get admob to work for the life of me in the settings menu since its only a preference and not an actual layout accessible in the layout folder! Anyway Live wallpaper ads usually only get clicked when the user is in the settings menu. So how many people actually access the settings menu more than a couple times? Not many so I gave up on admob since I couldn't figure it out and now use Leadbolt push ads. Here is a graph of today. If I had the numbers you had I would be rolling in dough!
Here is a link to leadbolt.
As you can see my main app had 79 clicks and made $3.12. The second one had 2 clicks and I made $.02. They have different types of ads. The notification ad is the only one I use! If my app was getting installed by the thousands a day I would be rolling in dough with leadbolt! They show the user 2 types of ads. paid click ad and an ad to where you only get paid if the user installs the app they are redirected to. The second type pays a lot more thats probably why i'm at $3.12 for just 79 clicks. Imagine if I had 100 or 1000 clicks! Yesterday I only made $1.62. The benefit of push? The user see's the ad in the notification bar, they don't have to be in your app or its settings menu! And reviews haven't been negative concerning leadbolt. At least I haven't got any 1 star bad reviews yet for ads but as you can see the main app is still young.
Anyway goodluck. That link is a referral link. Anyone can Sign up and we both make some cash.

Well, its rather simple to get admob in the preferences. I just googled it and used the tutorial. Sometimes, it takes a while for the first ad to show up. My first ad took anywhere between 5 to 20 mins. During that time, I was freaking out cause my app didn't throw any errors but nothing was happening.
Anyway, I refuse to use any kind of push notifications. I just feel that from a users stand point, most dont even understand what advertising is. When people see the notification, they think its some kind of virus or something and will give bad reviews. What I might try is using another ad agency while still using admob. I think you can do that. Looks like I will probably hit 80k impressions today. I swear, I need to get going on my game. I've seen some charts from individual developers and with 80k impressions...they be rollin in the dough yo.

qkhang said:
Well, its rather simple to get admob in the preferences. I just googled it and used the tutorial. Sometimes, it takes a while for the first ad to show up. My first ad took anywhere between 5 to 20 mins. During that time, I was freaking out cause my app didn't throw any errors but nothing was happening.
Anyway, I refuse to use any kind of push notifications. I just feel that from a users stand point, most dont even understand what advertising is. When people see the notification, they think its some kind of virus or something and will give bad reviews. What I might try is using another ad agency while still using admob. I think you can do that. Looks like I will probably hit 80k impressions today. I swear, I need to get going on my game. I've seen some charts from individual developers and with 80k impressions...they be rollin in the dough yo.
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I read that it can take a while for the first one, I was getting errors in eclipse when implementing the two lines for its activity in the androidmanifest. I figured out how to fix that by changing the target sdk to higher than 13 made the red lines go away. I will try it again an let it sit and see if it will work. Oh and i'm an idiot the first time I tried I still had adaway running lol!
I haven't gotten any negative reviews for the leadbolt ads yet. I use a very relaxed ad campaign, each user is only showed an ad every 2 days. So they tend to forget what app is actually sending the ads.
This is the tutorial I used for admob in case anyone is interested
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4003701/how-do-i-put-an-admob-adview-in-the-settings-screen-for-a-live-wallpaper
Did you use one similar to that?

I know exactly what you are talking with the whole api level higher than 13. The red errors drove me mad. I can't remember how I fixed it though. I used a bunch of tutorials and just took what I needed from it.

qkhang said:
I know exactly what you are talking with the whole api level higher than 13. The red errors drove me mad. I can't remember how I fixed it though. I used a bunch of tutorials and just took what I needed from it.
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That's how I got it to fix. Just set that target sdk to 13 or higher. Thanks for the info! I'm sure some folks viewing the threads will eventually find all this helpful.

[Q] Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8

If M$ windows thinks its ok to lock there Boot Loaders, I think we need to petition or start voicing our opinions now. . . regardless the fact is, once we buy any product we have our right too do whatever we want too do, root, modify, upgrade or downgrade, I think the problem with M$ is that they aren't embracing the Future, they are fighting it, an thats why they keep getting lapped by company's like apple an google. Believe me M$, still doesn't get the bigger picture, an i dont know if they ever will if we dont start speaking up now. They are basing there beliefs on an outdated O.S of business. . .
I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
Simply stated DONT BE EVIL . .
Tell me what you think, how u feel and what we should do as a community.
This is my response too reading this portal post article, Good info JERDOG
Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8
JERDOG'S post http://goo.gl/rq4yw

Ah the bootloader, people have actually been talking about this for sometime. Although Microsoft are demanding ufei or what ever it is which will make it difficult for you to change operating systems, they have stated that it will not be used to force out other manufacturers. Im not sure I believe them in general, however as its a hardware related issue its actually in the hands of the hardware manufacturers. Microsoft don't make laptops/tablets. As far as I understand it although ufei will be required for windows 8 to run, a signed key is all that's required for other operating systems to run. Also its said that ufei contravenes EU law and so I would wait and see what happens.
The simple advice would be not to buy a device that is incapable of the functions you require. Dont buy a car to fly to the moon in. If you want to run Linux don't buy a laptop incapable of doing it.
I can understand peoples frustration with Microsoft but I fail to see when they became your *****. I thought Ipods were stupid at first as you couldn't play mp3's, so guess what, I didn't buy one.
You the consumer don't have to buy what they offer you. The other thing your forgetting is that the Hackers will sort it anyway, or have you never heared of "rooting" or mod chips etc. Any security where a key has to be passed from user to security centre can and will be hacked.

agreed, i can see people getting around this in the future, because when someone says NO there's always another one saying YES!, expect hackers to do their part.

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I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
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Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.

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Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.
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Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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As it was said many years ago and still exists now stronger than ever
"If Man Made it, Man Can Unmake It"
It was only because of the mobile devices that Apple took market share, their desktops and laptops were good but just not up to par with what we were able to build with amd and intel chipsets for MS Windows operating systems. Now Apple has pulled a considerable amount of the computer market with mobile devices and stronger desktops and laptops.
Microsoft wants to gain the marketshare back with One O/S for all platforms. Hoping to up their mobile device marketshare to even it up with Apple. Its a far stretch but they want to keep themselves covered when it comes time that Apple tried to really put on over on them to keep the market.
ARM is proprietary now but will slowly become universal and open, just give it time and keep up the good fight!

hmmm.. well if ARM does stay locked down, do you think Intel's newer low-power x86 chips will be efficient enough to be comparable to ARM chips in tablets battery-life wise?

TeaMsTaZ said:
Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.

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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.
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Yeah there is double standard, my girl has an iPhone 4s, but lets keep that between us lol
But I really think its what you prefer, some like camaros some mustangs....
The developers on this site are great . . . Without them, I would be stuck using webos on my touchpad an windows 6.5 on my HD2 ( using SD American Android build )
You prolly right, tablets might come with win8. But maybe hackers can modify it so u can load android like a program hopefully. . .
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I'm on the fence with this one. I think their logic behind it has more to do with security than anything. Locking the bootloader doesn't stop device manufacturers from just making the same device that runs another operating system (Android) nor does having an unlocked phone that someone could put android on keep Microsoft from getting their license fee since the device ships with their OS.
Obviously it's not going to help make the jobs of everyone here easier, but it's not going to prevent them from getting other OSes on the device. What I could see happening in the modding community would be the opposite effect. Find an Android tablet that has an unlocked bootloader, and bring over the Rom from a Windows 8 tablet that has the same hardware.

How I reached top 50 in Adventure category in India google play appstore ( long read)

Alright I see a lot of people asking how to market thier games and apps to the top. In truth its very hard and almost impossible if you don't have at least a small marketing budget. Because the moderator of this forum does not want links to the app store in this forum I will show you a screenshot verifiable by going to app annie ranking website. Now if you would like to share this on your blog you have permission as I am making this to help developers learn.
Deciding What I was Going to make
1) I decided to make a game that had very simple controls.
2) I am just a pixel artist but I know majority of gamers like vector art. So I brought artwork from an artist who is indie developer friendly. I went for a non- serious cartoony character.
3) I made the game easy enough so that a gamer can play it without instructions.
Before Launch
1) After I finished the game I didn't release it to the appstore , that would equal a fail. I played the game and took screenshots about 8 of them and narrowed it down to 3 . The screenshots I picked had to look funny or be humorous for the simple type of game it was.
2) I posted screenshots of the game coming on facebook groups about 10-12 of them that I was on. I did this for 2 days in a row 2x a day. Also I tweeted the game is coming.
3) I also made a video of the game did the same thing posted it on facebook groups and twitter multiple times a day.
4) Set up android ADs with the little marketing budget I had $80 . This would give me a small boost in downloads.
Launch
1) Launched my app , posted on facebook and twitter that its finally arrived . Also launched the small AD campaign. And here comes the numbers
Day 1 250
Day 2 150
Day 3 150
Day 4 80 Ran out of money in banner AD campaign had to find more
Day 5 89
Day 6 190
Day 7 140 Got featured in top new free in Adventure category , lower banner AD campaign
Day 8 130 Started getting good organic traffic from Top new free section so cut down to much less banner AD campaign
Day 9 103 Finally hit #49 after going well over 1,000 installs July 4Th
****Special Note******
I started the game with 2 modes of play. In those 8 days I updated the game 2 times to bring the total modes of play to 4 modes of play. This extended playing time and kept my game installed on people's devices. Real content updates are critical to kept users playing your game especially if its a simple one. Just add different themes or 1 new badguy that stands out makes huge difference.
****Special Note*****
And I am still fighting to get higher on the list. I poured everything I could muster up into getting to this spot but some bigger companies came it around day 5 and gave me a heavy fight. Hopefully I can reach higher but for last couple of days its been a battle to stay in the top 50. Any questions ask away.
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Explaine pls)
I tried to promote my game for a long time) I used many of marketing tools to get downloads, but without bugdet i cant do that or i think so. Can you help me and answer to some ques i have:
1) What groups in facebook did you use? (or what kind of groups (android, gaming etc...) (Also ofcourse what channel in twitter did you use - # )
2) How did you design your screenshoot before releasing (mb you print on screen "Cooming soon" or etc.)
3) With what ADs company did you cooperate? (Admob, adwords...) And what boost did you get? (15 downlads per day or much?)
I will be appreciative if you will answer to me) Thanks.

Andrewdevua said:
I tried to promote my game for a long time) I used many of marketing tools to get downloads, but without bugdet i cant do that or i think so. Can you help me and answer to some ques i have:
1) What groups in facebook did you use? (or what kind of groups (android, gaming etc...) (Also ofcourse what channel in twitter did you use - # )
2) How did you design your screenshoot before releasing (mb you print on screen "Cooming soon" or etc.)
3) With what ADs company did you cooperate? (Admob, adwords...) And what boost did you get? (15 downlads per day or much?)
I will be appreciative if you will answer to me) Thanks.
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1) A bunch of facebook groups here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/108079516002935/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/152169141638746/ huge group I post 2X a day
https://www.facebook.com/groups/754826104557129/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/248027618719895/ This group will get you downloads and ratings quick by trading
https://www.facebook.com/groups/AppInnovators/ huge group
Plus more but thats just to start and you will get downloads for sure. How many depends on your graphics honestly.
2) Just took in game screenshots nothing fancy just the game in motion. I posted a small description under screenshots. Also open a thread on this website and just use that link on facebook. http://androidfreegamesapps.forumotion.com/
3) I used aye T Studios AD service as they are the cheapest. https://www.ayetstudios.com/ Of course to rank you must choose only one country to target. They charge $10 to get 80-85 installs and you will need 500-600 to rank in small countries. The larger the country the more you need.
Secret:
Vietnam is the easiest country so save up $80-$100 and pick adventure or arcade category and you should rank in top 40 . Plus you will get into top free list which then you dont have to pay for installs you get them organically.

Thanks a lot! It was really helpful! But i have one more ques!) I will need approximately 500-600 downloads to rank - per day?, or totally in a row of couple days...And how do you think, to rank 50+ in USA, how much downloads i will need? (per day or totally...)

Andrewdevua said:
Thanks a lot! It was really helpful! But i have one more ques!) I will need approximately 500-600 downloads to rank - per day?, or totally in a row of couple days...And how do you think, to rank 50+ in USA, how much downloads i will need? (per day or totally...)
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In a weaker country like india and vietnam you need 120-200 downloads per day for 4 days to rank in top 100. After 6 days you be in the top 50 and top new free so a total of 800 downloads spread over 6 day will do it.
Now U.S. is really tough we are talking about 20,000 downloads spread over 3-4 days to reach top 10. Double that to reach top 50 which currently I can't do yet .

Mr.HB said:
Secret:
Vietnam is the easiest country so save up $80-$100 and pick adventure or arcade category and you should rank in top 40 . Plus you will get into top free list which then you dont have to pay for installs you get them organically.
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But sadly all ad click from those countries dont make you any money because Admob doesnt value those customers as buying customers.
The most important thing is what was your profit return on that investment ? And what was the price you got per 1000 impressions (eCPM) or whatever ad network you used. Usually I hear people get 200,000 impressions from India and make $10 total from that.

Crichton333 said:
But sadly all ad click from those countries dont make you any money because Admob doesnt value those customers as buying customers.
The most important thing is what was your profit return on that investment ? And what was the price you got per 1000 impressions (eCPM) or whatever ad network you used. Usually I hear people get 200,000 impressions from India and make $10 total from that.
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I use Notifymob which pays weekly. The 1st week I got 2,600 impressions and made $13 . Does Admob pay for installs or just clicks and impressions?
200,000 impressions and only $10 that seems very unbelieveable. Yes smaller countries give less revenue but I am thinking long term if you game ranks and you have enough downloads over time you will make back your investment and more.

Mr.HB said:
I use Notifymob which pays weekly. The 1st week I got 2,600 impressions and made $13 . Does Admob pay for installs or just clicks and impressions?
200,000 impressions and only $10 that seems very unbelieveable. Yes smaller countries give less revenue but I am thinking long term if you game ranks and you have enough downloads over time you will make back your investment and more.
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This is what I earned with my 2048 Numbers Mania game in the first 2 months, €8.31 for 90,909 Impressions. Bru-tal....
How do people even make money on Android games ? Interstatial ads (full screen ads) do make money but you can only show that once or a couple of times in the game.

Crichton333 said:
This is what I earned with my 2048 Numbers Mania game in the first 2 months, €8.31 for 90,909 Impressions. Bru-tal....
How do people even make money on Android games ? Interstatial ads (full screen ads) do make money but you can only show that once or a couple of times in the game.
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Ok damn!!! 90,000 impressions you should be seeing around $40 dollars a month at minimum. That means they only paid you for impressions and not clicks or installs. Installs alone you should get .10 cents to .30 per install. Honestly just join the AD network I am on , they pay every friday once you reach $25 bucks and with your traffic you will reach that fast.
I think I told you about it before here is the website.
https://www.notifymob.com/
100% you will be making much more money. The basic SDK has 2 pop ups when app opens and banners along the top of screen. Seriously check it out today , then thank me every friday.

Mr.HB said:
Ok damn!!! 90,000 impressions you should be seeing around $40 dollars a month at minimum. That means they only paid you for impressions and not clicks or installs. Installs alone you should get .10 cents to .30 per install. Honestly just join the AD network I am on , they pay every friday once you reach $25 bucks and with your traffic you will reach that fast.
I think I told you about it before here is the website.
https://www.notifymob.com/
100% you will be making much more money. The basic SDK has 2 pop ups when app opens and banners along the top of screen. Seriously check it out today , then thank me every friday.
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With the exact same game but for iPhone I made around $100 for that many impressions, I have no idea why the Android version isnt valued the same way.
Yea we already talked about Notify, well I have no other option but to switch, I mean its like im getting 0 money now, for that 8 euro I made I can buy an ice cream lol I have a few more games for iOS in development for now but when Im finished I will update this one.

Crichton333 said:
With the exact same game but for iPhone I made around $100 for that many impressions, I have no idea why the Android version isnt valued the same way.
Yea we already talked about Notify, well I have no other option but to switch, I mean its like im getting 0 money now, for that 8 euro I made I can buy an ice cream lol I have a few more games for iOS in development for now but when Im finished I will update this one.
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DId you use admob for both IOS and ANdroid games? And if you know, or Mr.Hub - Does notifymob. support IOS? And mb it paid much better for ios devices ads than android (like admob do). Coz soon we will release our game on iOS and need some good ad network...(We were banned by admob couple days ago...)

Andrewdevua said:
DId you use admob for both IOS and ANdroid games? And if you know, or Mr.Hub - Does notifymob. support IOS? And mb it paid much better for ios devices ads than android (like admob do). Coz soon we will release our game on iOS and need some good ad network...(We were banned by admob couple days ago...)
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Yes I use Admob for both iOS and Android games, why did you get banned ? Your game looks pretty normal.

Mr.HB said:
I use Notifymob which pays weekly. The 1st week I got 2,600 impressions and made $13 . Does Admob pay for installs or just clicks and impressions?
200,000 impressions and only $10 that seems very unbelieveable. Yes smaller countries give less revenue but I am thinking long term if you game ranks and you have enough downloads over time you will make back your investment and more.
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Does notifymob support iOS devices?
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Crichton333 said:
Yes I use Admob for both iOS and Android games, why did you get banned ? Your game looks pretty normal.
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The game is normal, but admob think that we have negative clicks on ads, dont know how it happens...

Andrewdevua said:
Does notifymob support iOS devices?
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The game is normal, but admob think that we have negative clicks on ads, dont know how it happens...
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Right now just android but they are working on IOS SDK as we speak.

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Right now just android but they are working on IOS SDK as we speak.
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Thats cool. I hope they will finish IOS SDK before we will realese our game on this platform. Today we will try to implement notifymob sdk into game. I hope all will be fine...

Andrewdevua said:
Thats cool. I hope they will finish IOS SDK before we will realese our game on this platform. Today we will try to implement notifymob sdk into game. I hope all will be fine...
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We are working on our iOS SDK and the release date is still unknown. Our Android SDK is fully functional and delivering powerful results.
Have you registered for an account yet? Please make an account on our website.
Email me at [email protected] so that I can better help you get started and integrated. Happy Developing!
All the Best,
Blake

NotifyMob said:
We are working on our iOS SDK and the release date is still unknown. Our Android SDK is fully functional and delivering powerful results.
Have you registered for an account yet? Please make an account on our website.
Email me at [email protected] so that I can better help you get started and integrated. Happy Developing!
All the Best,
Blake
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I just released an app, but it is not a game. Will the advertising methods be the same?

xjoey20x said:
I just released an app, but it is not a game. Will the advertising methods be the same?
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Choosing which ad units to use depends on the type of app and app experience you want to offer. Often, games have different strategies; however the concepts are the same.
Some developers create more spammy-types of apps with short life expectancy, while others prefer to create apps with utility that have more longevity. In the first case, excessive ads is the strategy and preference of the developer which can yield astounding revenue results, but that usually does not last long because users get frustrated (which leads to them uninstalling the app). In the second case, engaging the user in a manner that is pleasant and more tolerable is vital to a successful long-term strategy. Email me and we can discuss the details. It all really comes down to how YOU want to do things and what type of experience you want your users to have. We make suggestions, but ultimately we give the control to the developer and work with them to implement a strategy that best suits their app and vision.
All the Best,
Blake

NotifyMob said:
Choosing which ad units to use depends on the type of app and app experience you want to offer. Often, games have different strategies; however the concepts are the same.
Some developers create more spammy-types of apps with short life expectancy, while others prefer to create apps with utility that have more longevity. In the first case, excessive ads is the strategy and preference of the developer which can yield astounding revenue results, but that usually does not last long because users get frustrated (which leads to them uninstalling the app). In the second case, engaging the user in a manner that is pleasant and more tolerable is vital to a successful long-term strategy. Email me and we can discuss the details. It all really comes down to how YOU want to do things and what type of experience you want your users to have. We make suggestions, but ultimately we give the control to the developer and work with them to implement a strategy that best suits their app and vision.
All the Best,
Blake
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What is your email? Do you have skype? If so, add FlareFaction

xjoey20x said:
What is your email? Do you have skype? If so, add FlareFaction
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Did Notify contact you yet? They are usually fast but if they haven't I will PM a direct contact email to one of their workers.