Alright so there was the story about that dreaded efuse but I don't think its a piece of hardware. Im figurin its a program somewhere because if it was hardware then there'd be a thread on how to take it out. Im guessin the locked bootloader has something to do with it as well
It's hardware. It's not removable to my knowledge.
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I don't see how hardware could be the issue. A program has to start it and what im thinkin is if the program is deleted or changed in some way then bricking would be gone. The only thing is where is that file? Hopefully someone can find it
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I don't see how hardware could be the issue. A program has to start it and what im thinkin is if the program is deleted or changed in some way then bricking would be gone. The only thing is where is that file? Hopefully someone can find it
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It could be firmware
So it'd still be files. If you could access that file and change it then the possibility of a nand unlock is there and full custom roms
I don't think you understand how this works... It's not as easy as you would think, or someone would have already done it. There's a lot of talent out there working on the DX, and they're doing everything they can.
It is hardware, for sure, and it's (again) not as easy as popping it out. I think it's actually a part of the processor...
I get what you're saying. But in order for that piece of hardware to work the program has to enable it. And as soon as someone can unlock the os files that little part can be altered. Of course no one knows how moto has done it so its all just ideas
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I get what you're saying. But in order for that piece of hardware to work the program has to enable it. And as soon as someone can unlock the os files that little part can be altered. Of course no one knows how moto has done it so its all just ideas
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From what I know is like flashed BIOS. The only downside is that there's no know way to access it. It could even be a little old school and burned like an eprom chip.
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I don't know much about root with the mytouch 4g Or any phone for that matter A
except that it is considered very very good However it may or may not want a warranty that is where I hear different issues
Could someone clarify the two things first what are the exact benefits I get out of it. would it take me back to what I had on my nexus --basic android. nd
Secondly would it void my warranty? If so is there a way of getting back to the original factory settings where they would not know?
Lastly there is no way I would be able to do this is there anyway of getting anyone else to do it in person or over the computer By giving me instructions I know there is a list of instructions but I was thinking more along the lines of seeing or speaking to someone
I would pay handsomely for this
Thank you and this was typed and sent using Dragon dictation so forgive me for any misspellings or punctuation I correct is almost all spelling and punctuation till the end
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I don't know much about root with the mytouch 4g Or any phone for that matter A
except that it is considered very very good However it may or may not want a warranty that is where I hear different issues
Could someone clarify the two things first what are the exact benefits I get out of it. would it take me back to what I had on my nexus --basic android. nd
Secondly would it void my warranty? If so is there a way of getting back to the original factory settings where they would not know?
Lastly there is no way I would be able to do this is there anyway of getting anyone else to do it in person or over the computer By giving me instructions I know there is a list of instructions but I was thinking more along the lines of seeing or speaking to someone
I would pay handsomely for this
Thank you and this was typed and sent using Dragon dictation so forgive me for any misspellings or punctuation I correct is almost all spelling and punctuation till the end
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1 - Simply rooting the phone would not give you the same setup that you had on your Nexus One, but it would allow you to get there. By rooting the phone, you are getting complete access to every partition on that phone and THAT is what allows changes to be made to the kernel and operating systems (aka ROMs). Unless you are a developer and know how to create your own ROM, you'd have to wait until one is created for us. Right now I believe there is one called Ice or something to that extent. You can check the Development section for that.
2 - Rooting technically does void your warranty, however there are way to get back to the original stock ROM/settings. There are threads in the Development section as well. As with anything that is in unfamiliar territory, take care and precaution when modifying your phone...especially if you use it on a daily basis and aren't sure of the exact steps to take.
Hopefully this was somewhat useful. Good luck!
Allen, and everyone, thank you
Yes, it does help
You say I can wait for one, or do my own, or use one by ??Ice.
Is that the one that was on the net, namely one like this, created by Scotty also?
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/11/11/root-mytouch-4g-install-custom-recovery/
1. Is that safe
2. Is the "flash" the thing that can get you back to factory settings
3. As far as the ? about getting anyone to take baby steps with you in doing this OR somewhere to take the phone to do it, has anyone heard of this.
Lastly, Allen
did you know anything about the phone locking up after a break, when using WiFi (EDIT: Oops thought I mentioned this in the post above. fwiw, anyone know why I can use wifi over the net quite well, using my browser (not to confuse using the wifi calling app, as one gent thought I meant. But then after a brief break, it locks up. even if I switch back to hspa. I have to restart. any ideas?)
Again, Thanks Allen, and all
If the only thing you know about rooting is "its very very good" then my suggestion would be to not do it just to do it.... do your research first, learn the basics and what its all about, yes there are pro's but theres con's. A simple mistake could leave you with a very expensive paper weight. All I'm saying is there's no need to jump in to it. root was around far before android and wont disappear over night. The only thing that I can't stress enough is research research research.
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If the only thing you know about rooting is "its very very good" then my suggestion would be to not do it just to do it.... do your research first, learn the basics and what its all about, yes there are pro's but theres con's. A simple mistake could leave you with a very expensive paper weight. All I'm saying is there's no need to jump in to it. root was around far before android and wont disappear over night. The only thing that I can't stress enough is research research research.
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Hey, thanks pack
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You say I can wait for one, or do my own, or use one by ??Ice.
Is that the one that was on the net, namely one like this, created by Scotty also?
1. Is that safe
2. Is the "flash" the thing that can get you back to factory settings
3. As far as the ? about getting anyone to take baby steps with you in doing this OR somewhere to take the phone to do it, has anyone heard of this.
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For a beginner developing your own rom would be extremely difficult/almost impossible... no other roms have been released yet except for the ice one but that is the exact same thing as what you have now minus the stock apps
One problem with using other peoples roms is if you can't read the code you really don't know what your putting on your phone... with XDA a decent amount of us can read code and would say something if we found it malicious but what if noone took the time on that specific rom? unless you can read it that just brings me back to you really never know
So I guess that answers your is it safe question... its safe if you know what your doing... and don't get me wrong I'm not tryin to make it sound scary it'll be a 1 in a million shot to find a malicious file on xda but it could happen
2 flash an equal to install ... as installing a rom flashing a rom
3 no idea what you mean
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For a beginner developing your own rom would be extremely difficult/almost impossible... no other roms have been released yet except for the ice one but that is the exact same thing as what you have now minus the stock apps
One problem with using other peoples roms is if you can't read the code you really don't know what your putting on your phone... with XDA a decent amount of us can read code and would say something if we found it malicious but what if noone took the time on that specific rom? unless you can read it that just brings me back to you really never know
So I guess that answers your is it safe question... its safe if you know what your doing... and don't get me wrong I'm not tryin to make it sound scary it'll be a 1 in a million shot to find a malicious file on xda but it could happen
2 flash an equal to install ... as installing a rom flashing a rom
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thanks. No, that just about answers it. very well, I might add. I will wait
what i meant, is if there is one that comes out, might there be someone who will walk you thru it, i.e for a newbie either thru chat, phone, or somewhere to take your phone to get it flashed with the new rom
oh ok i see, you would probably not want someone to do it for you because youll need to do it more than once... if someone walks you through it at least you learn how to do it and you'll be able to do it next time (and trust me theres always a next time) if your interested in doing it i pm'd you my aim name and id help you out with it... its really quite simply when its broken down... but like i said before id do some more research on it first and come up with some reason you personally need root access because its importance to other people may not mean anything to you n vice versa.
Does it bug anyone that one click rooting takes way more than 1 click? (Not that I use one click programs for my Xoom)
No. It bothers me that people are so stupid that they want and use the so called one click methods period. Even more so on a device with a unlocked bootloader.
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No. It bothers me that people are so stupid that they want and use the so called one click methods period. Even more so on a device with a unlocked bootloader.
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What's wrong with that method? I haven't rooted yet partly due to lack of knowledge.
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haha. me too. its asking for a bricked device if u ask me
That's the point. Acquire the knowledge.
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What's wrong with that method? I haven't rooted yet partly due to lack of knowledge.
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You dont need alot of knowledge and the guids are ez to follow. The problem with one click's are they dont expose you to ADB so when something goes wrong with the one click you wont know what to do. ADB is something that I avoided but with an unlocked bootloader its a good place to learn. just my opinoin
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You dont need alot of knowledge and the guids are ez to follow. The problem with one click's are they dont expose you to ADB so when something goes wrong with the one click you wont know what to do. ADB is something that I avoided but with an unlocked bootloader its a good place to learn. just my opinoin
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Very well said. I have rooted two android devices previously, but the Xoom gave me my first experience using adb. It came in very handy when I got into a soft brick and was able to negotiate my way out of it. I still experience some anxiety whenever I'm about to mod my Xoom, but it helps to have some basic knowledge (and know what you don't know). Also, read and follow the directions and get everything prepared in advance.
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Very well said. I have rooted two android devices previously, but the Xoom gave me my first experience using adb. It came in very handy when I got into a soft brick and was able to negotiate my way out of it. I still experience some anxiety whenever I'm about to mod my Xoom, but it helps to have some basic knowledge (and know what you don't know). Also, read and follow the directions and get everything prepared in advance.
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so true. i hate soft bricks. I still worry about messing it up but knowing commands help.
I tried installing the Gingerbread update, and when I installed both Parts 1 & 2, then rebooted, my phone only goes to the bootloader screen. Tried using RDS and that, and couldn't find my phone. So I'm stuck.
My phone boots now with a red Moto logo and then goes to the error screen.
My question is, what will Verizon say when they see it? I'm going to take it there later today. I'm under insurance but hacking voids that I believe.
What should I say to get it replaced at no cost?
I was going to say that I put it down, and then when I checked it later it was off, and then when I tried to boot it, this happened, saying I didn't hack it, maybe someone else got it.
Would that work?
Speedy answers would be great.
Thank you so much.
DO NOT TAKE IT TO VERIZON.
Look at the stickies, there is a thread about fixing your phone. You need to find the stock firmware and flash it with RSD.
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Also, the "I put it down" excuse will only work if you get a retard. Anyone who knows about Android will know what you did
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Did you install the Motorola drivers before attempting an SBF, just Google "Motorola drivers".
Well I have funny news for you guys.
I actually saw your messages after I got back..but thank you for your time.
But the guy...bought the story. He said I was probably recieving a bad update, and was able to fix the phone.
The guy was awesome though, after, he could tell it had ben rooted, and said, "yeah just know that root won't work on Gingerbread", which he installed for me.
So problem solved.
The extent of how lucky I was is amazing.
Well good deal. I'm glad he was cool. You can root, you just have to sbf back to froyo first
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If you mess up your phone when you are messing with it, you are responsible for fixing it. Not Verizon.
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If you mess up your phone when you are messing with it, you are responsible for fixing it. Not Verizon.
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Not sure why you're posting this now.
And I think i'm gonna stay away from rooting right now.
If you do ever decide you want root get the bootable linux cd with the automated scripts to sbf with. It is totally painless.
My DroidX Thrives on the DarkSlide!!
I'm sure this was probably already suggested but instead of trying to fool/force the bootloader to go s-off or something, why not try this (warning: stupid content ahead) You could actually push a known exploitable source such as flash (wait until latest update, flash is known for being better than swiss cheese when it comes to holes) and trying to get that to have an arbitrary code injection. Why not instead of treating it like android and linux, just treat it as linux.
I'm not an android dev but I was just offering thoughts.
Or you could even just start poking through apk's that are allowed system level access if there are any without root and make an apk to gain system access to break in by tricking the file system?
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I'm not an android dev ...
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I left the more accurate points made by the OP in the quote.
If you're no dev, then this is not the place to be posting.
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Well its good of you to post ideas and sorry this section is full of flamers
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I don't think it is appropriate to insult someone for offering suggestions, regardless of whether you feel they are right or not. Progress does not exist without new ideas, which more often than not, are wrong.
Try some helpful input instead of just being rude.
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Posted something in this thread I think certain people need to read
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I left the more accurate points made by the OP in the quote.
If you're no dev, then this is not the place to be posting.
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no need to be rude...
It's not really rude. Just kind of accurate.
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I'm just offering suggestions. It actually was rude.
Cover your phone with gorilla glue, put a mixture of seeds on the glue. Dig a 12 inch hole and bury your phone. Water it everyday for 6 weeks. Dig up your phone and shazam! Rooted
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Cover your phone with gorilla glue, put a mixture of seeds on the glue. Dig a 12 inch hole and bury your phone. Water it everyday for 6 weeks. Dig up your phone and shazam! Rooted
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Psh, 6 weeks is too long. Just nail the damn thing to a tree. Technically, rooted.
lithid-cm said:
Cover your phone with gorilla glue, put a mixture of seeds on the glue. Dig a 12 inch hole and bury your phone. Water it everyday for 6 weeks. Dig up your phone and shazam! Rooted
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I like your method. Is this the final result of your attempt at root. Or did this non dev poster hit too close to one of your ideas and you want to discourage him before someone else beats you to it.
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Psh, 6 weeks is too long. Just nail the damn thing to a tree. Technically, rooted.
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This is actually quite funny and I think someone needs to open a new thread in the gen. forums along the lines of android/phone jokes... we need some good humor now and then (along w/ the dirty minded stuff)
edit* sorry this has nothing to do with OP
rofl this is why i love my xda fam, the good and the bad its all funny,
but to stay on topic:
This has more than likely already been thought about so as android is android,
and java is java, and linux is linux, programs without root access are sandboxed, and only programs with root access can run as root, and if user does not have some way shape or form access to the superuser then there is no way there can be any permission changes to anything above the current users, or programs sandbox, if that makes any sense....
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I like your method. Is this the final result of your attempt at root. Or did this non dev poster hit too close to one of your ideas and you want to discourage him before someone else beats you to it.
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Lithids just a huge flamer..
Jk
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androidsupra said:
I like your method. Is this the final result of your attempt at root. Or did this non dev poster hit too close to one of your ideas and you want to discourage him before someone else beats you to it.
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I think this is the funniest post so far.
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I left the more accurate points made by the OP in the quote.
If you're no dev, then this is not the place to be posting.
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Free thinkers are dangerous
Since no one answered I'll take a shot. There would need to be a permissions escalation exploit in flash or other app for this to work. Others have thought of this for sure already and you first need to find an exploit in flash or some other app.
Likely if any exploits do exist no one knows about them. We don't need people to suggest the idea at a high level. We need people to search and find such exploits. Or figure out another way.
It's either a waiting game or buy a new phone.
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JUST REMEMBER ONE BIG HUGE THING! WHEN YOU FIND A BUG. PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ DO NOT IN ANY FORM OR WAY POST IT ONLINE!
NEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVER
That's because sprint and HTC monitor these threads 100% OF THE DAY. in fact, I know for a fact that a few of these guys that talk on here all the time are employees and little rats. they won't come out and say it because this is what their job is. to monitor us.
Send the Information to a few limited dev's and wait for a response.
ACTUALLY!!!! I think another way to do this is to make a thread*not thread, but like a folder/area we can make threads* and put a lock on it to prevent anyone under 300ish posts from even reading them. :-D then that thread will only have the smarter guys in it or people that have been around for a while. :-D
LMAO!!!! okay, now to do what I just said not to do....... okay, so tell me guys. where does the OTA get saved at? That certain object has root. Is it possible to send us an OTA over the radio over our OWN radio? you know those radio booster things they send customers when they are too far out for service that the customer hooks up to their wifi? I wonder if it is possible to hack that and get it to think you're downloading a new OTA but really would be changing it to root. lol. actually. I honestly think that would truely work.
I didn't really word that right. but I think you guys get the point. I know it is possible. cause think about it. if the thing is going through YOUR OWN network... you control what is on your own network. :-D therefore, you could tell it anything you wanted it to know. :-D
Yeah, but wouldn't the image you push as a fake OTA need to be signed like everything else? Maybe we could trick the OS into installing an older OTA, but even then I bet it would give an error about the version being older.
Still, anyone know how one could try to trick it? I believe the updates are stored in cache, and otherwise I don't know how the system knows that there is an update downloaded and ready to be installed.
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That's because sprint and HTC monitor these threads 100% OF THE DAY. in fact, I know for a fact that a few of these guys that talk on here all the time are employees and little rats. they won't come out and say it because this is what their job is. to monitor us.
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I'm a Sprint employee but I'm more of a bear than rat
Move my post if you feel the need. I hate picking forums. Anyways. I have a XPRT from boost mobile running android 2.3.5 and I have been working for a few days to no avail in any vulnerabilities to rooting. Searching for users with same model and objective?
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Anyone with the same phone please post or PM me.
Anybody? Seriously?
Almost 300 views and no responses? Anyone have the same model and want to collaborate?
I would really like to see some type of update this is crazy that no one has done anything with this system yet.
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I would really like to see some type of update this is crazy that no one has done anything with this system yet.
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You have the the same model and carrier right?
BlackFire27 said:
You have the the same model and carrier right?
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There is currently no way to root the Boost Mobile version of the XPRT at the moment. I looked around and tried the .zip file from sd and it bricked. I have talked to numerous people who tried the Sprint .SBF which bricked the system to. Right now you will just have to sit back and wait and see if someone comes up with something. Sorry for the bad news.
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There is currently no way to root the Boost Mobile version of the XPRT at the moment. I looked around and tried the .zip file from sd and it bricked. I have talked to numerous people who tried the Sprint .SBF which bricked the system to. Right now you will just have to sit back and wait and see if someone comes up with something. Sorry for the bad news.
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Well that sucks ._. I do believe that a heavy amount of editing was done to the software and firmware by Boost. But this isn't bad news. Its actually a huge relief that finally I've gotten some feedback. We need a small community of people wishing to root this phone. Developer or not.
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Well that sucks ._. I do believe that a heavy amount of editing was done to the software and firmware by Boost. But this isn't bad news. Its actually a huge relief that finally I've gotten some feedback. We need a small community of people wishing to root this phone. Developer or not.
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Well I would love to just get a stock sbf so I can get mine working again lol.
Yes, rooting the boost version would be great, they just have so many restrictions on the phone. No hotspot, tethering is very limited, Hoping someone will find something soon.
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Well I would love to just get a stock sbf so I can get mine working again lol.
Yes, rooting the boost version would be great, they just have so many restrictions on the phone. No hotspot, tethering is very limited, Hoping someone will find something soon.
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This is actually my first Motorola phone. Lol. I normally used HTCs beforehand. Would you be so kind as to explain what an SBF is and where they come from?
An SBF ( SYSTEM BOOT FILE) file from what I gather is the original Image of the Phone. It's kind of like if you are running a windows computer you need a Windows image to run the operating system. The same is true for a cell phone. The only place to get them is have them leaked from Motorola Techs. Each tech has different level access to be able to work on your phone.
A normal tech has Level 1 and Level 2 access which can look at your phone and figure out what is wrong. The "head Motorola Techs" have Level 3 and Level 4 access and they are the ones who actually can pull the files ( SBF ) and do the reflashing and other needed services.
This may not be totally accurate but it is what I have put together from the massive amount of research and reading I have done on these phones. If anyone has anything to add or correct please do because I don't want to give bad information. =/
I have currently been browsing around a lot, and trying to figure out this development thing. I am also reading currently on how the "rooting" process is achieved on phones. I have a moderate amount experience on linux machines so the reading is going fairly easy. Hopefully we can get some real DEVS in here to help us out.
That's a nice amount of research. I appreciate that. And android is linux. So you may find some nice similarities. I personally am much more experienced on the hardware side of the computer world ._. I need to brush up on my coding...and from what I assume. Root is achieved by exploiting the kernel in order to pretty much shove Busybox into the root filesystem. The Su binary. And the Superuser app.
From what I understand YES, that is exactly how it is done.
But getting permission is the challenge.
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But getting permission is the challenge.
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Anyone know of a way to get the drivers and stuff to work on a linux machine? I just can't seem to find anything.
What I don't understand is the sbf file is like a backup of everything on the phone, if they can put it there, there has to be some way of pulling it off. I would like to know and understand why we can't pull the .sbf file off of the phone it's self? Any developers out there give me a shout and fill me in?
Well what an sbf seems to be basically a zip encoded specially for Motorola devices. I don't think its really possible to get it off without a factory reset and a custom recovery or bootloader.
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Well what an sbf seems to be basically a zip encoded specially for Motorola devices. I don't think its really possible to get it off without a factory reset and a custom recovery or bootloader.
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That is what I was wondering about. Thanks.
I find it odd how carriers feel they need to go so far to prevent rooting, I find it wrong.
This is atleast my perspective. I go out to buy lets say a computer from best buy. I have the right to change anything on the computer, hardware and software.
Even mircosoft lets you modify (they just don't want you stealing it)
Their os and have built in applications to do so.
So why when I buy a phone and I can't do it. All of it is my property, Hard/software. If I brick it it'll bee my fault. Meaning I'll have to buy another one.
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bingo here is the sbf http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30831590#post30831590
You cant root the Sprint Gingerbread (Leaked version) and the Boost as well. I tried lots of tools, but nothing.