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thinking to upgrade to samsung omnia 2

is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]

hoss_n2 said:
is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
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I would better think about waiting for the Toshiba TG01! It has a 1GHz Snapdragon Processor and a 4.1inch screen!!!
You can see some preview videos on yout...! The video playback is extremely smooth and programs are starting right after clicking on it.
The TG01 also has a special screen from the television branch for a really good quality!
I´ll sell my Touch Hd next week on ebay and on 29.June or 30.June I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 exclusive at the German O2 shop.
Ok the homescreen panel is not so beautiful but I am using the SPB Mobile Shell 3 so thats no problem for me

does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.

The processor will make a difference, but the main reason for me to buy the Omnia 2 is the camera.
You won't have Touchflo anymore (at least for some time) but the Samsung software seems to be pretty good, perhaps even better than Touchflo (though I'm not a fan of cube interfaces).
I think the Omnia 2 will be the perfect phone for me with the better camera, a bit more speed and good battery life.

DRTigerlilly said:
does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
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I had already a pre-selling version of the white tg01 in my hands (damn is this a big device compared to my HD and iphone but has as half as the thickness of the HD!!!) but of course I wasn´t able to test the battery life. But I think it´ll be good because you can choose in the options menu of toshiba that the phone should itself automaticaly slow down the procesor if there is not much speed needed and the new screen should also use less battery life (so the man at the o2 store told me that with the screen so I don´t know if it´s real^^)
Does anyone knows any better facts about it?

very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..

I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.

forumx said:
I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
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i think that the type of the processor also is important not only its speed [like computer processors we have two processors have same speed but one acts faster than the other it depends how it is made and the compatibility of the programs with it

KayK said:
very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
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Rom and Ram size is nearly the same! 512MB Rom and 256MB RAM. (I´m talking about the Toshiba TG01
So I´ll wait till it comes out on the 29th this month in germany and then I´ll buy it...

Hey I found someting really interesting: The Acer M900!
What do you think about this device???

PocketNow said the acer felt cheap, and i think it has less memory than the HD, which is a bummer. The only upside about it are US 3g bands.

acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2

hoss_n2 said:
acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
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Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.

Ok I´ll forget the acer...80MB Ram
So I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 when it´s available in Germany at the 29.06. and than I will see how good it is. If it´s not good enough I can also sell it somewhere and buy me the touch pro 2 instead of it

I used to have the omnia and would never buy a samsung again. Apart from the excellent camera I hated it particulary because of the poor battery life...I had to charge it everyday. Plus the touchscreen wasn't that responsive and I kept losing the stylus because there was no storage on the phone. Im happy with the HD at present albeit it's not perfect.

I just bought and sold a Samsung i8910 (Omnia HD). Symbian just doesnt cut it as a touchscreen OS for me.
However, the AMOLED screen was gorgeous, even though it was lower res than the HD, it still looked that little bit crisper and more vibrant. Definitely a feature worth looking into for our next devices. Omnia 2 looks the part, but Samsung have notoriously poor resale value compared to HTC/Nokia etc as well as not having ROM cooks like on xda (unless im mistaken..).

The i8910HD would have been the perfect phone with WM (or Android) instead of Symbian....
It's a shame that they put such a bad OS on the only phone with perfect hardware... I hate Samsung for this (but I'll probably buy the Omnia II anyway...).
The i900 Omnia is/was probably one ofthe best-selling WM device ever and there is some ROM-cooking going on, e.g. over at modaco.com.
I think with the Omnia II and Omnia HD, the Samsung community will grow a lot.

What is AMOLED and is it possible to run word excel etc files on symbian?

maati said:
Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
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it would be better in some things but not in all hd is bigger in screen touch flo is bitter and easier hd has extra rams to be used for graphics acceleration and enhance speed as said by gsm arena

Well, 0.1" doesn't matter, and it still has the same resolution. It has a faster processor, thus the RAM also won't matter, graphics acceleration will probably be faster.
TouchFlo is nice, but I think the Samsung interface is at least as good, it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo (but doesn't look as nice).
I'm still undecided, maybe I'll stick with the HD and wait for something that's even better than the Omnia II.

Toshiba TG01 Interface Port to X1?

Hello Devs!
It is possible and if, how long we must wait for a porting TG01 Interface for X1?
With best reguards

its barley running fast enough on a device that is more than double the speed of our 400mhz cpu on the x1
even if some one ends up porting it ( i give it 2 weeks untill someone posts it in the dev and hacking forum), i dont think enough people will use it considering how it did in the reviews
the omnia2/pro interface is more useful and everything in windows interface is re-skinned and finger friendly. too bad its not as cool looking as tf3d

With that slow ass processor? Not a chance...

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its barley running fast enough on a device that is more than double the speed of our 400mhz cpu on the x1
even if some one ends up porting it ( i give it 2 weeks untill someone posts it in the dev and hacking forum), i dont think enough people will use it considering how it did in the reviews
the omnia2/pro interface is more useful and everything in windows interface is re-skinned and finger friendly. too bad its not as cool looking as tf3d
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I thought the X1 has a 528 MHz CPU

poetryrocksalot said:
I thought the X1 has a 528 MHz CPU
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it does but is underclocked i think to 400mhz

man you have to check this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536178
tg01 has monster cpu and gpu ,i benchmarked the device and i dont see any chance for the interface to come to xperia (propably it use gles 2.0,its not supported by xperia).
cheers.

daiash said:
it does but is underclocked i think to 400mhz
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I don't think that it's underclocked...nobody has ever said that it was underclocked.....so why are we finally saying this now?
And how do we make the make the CPU 500 MHz?

poetryrocksalot said:
I don't think that it's underclocked...nobody has ever said that it was underclocked.....so why are we finally saying this now?
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i compared to touch diamond 2 which almost have the exact same specs and the 528mhz and everything is noticeably smoother and faster. the game Xtrat is so much smoother and does not suffer from jerkiness when the screen is full of things. the Core Player benchmark is constantly %18-%20 faster on the td2 while testing the same thing
i tried to overclock it but got nothing

THE GRIZZ said:
i compared to touch diamond 2 which almost have the exact same specs and the 528mhz and everything is noticeably smoother and faster. the game Xtrat is so much smoother and does not suffer from jerkiness when the screen is full of things. the Core Player benchmark is constantly %18-%20 faster on the td2 while testing the same thing
i tried to overclock it but got nothing
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would be nice to get it running at full speed, i use spb ms 3.1 on standard r2 rom and dont have any complaints, but if your gonna run emulators etc.... and tf3d on your x1 it's a shame because it can be so damn slow at times.

THE GRIZZ said:
i compared to touch diamond 2 which almost have the exact same specs and the 528mhz and everything is noticeably smoother and faster. the game Xtrat is so much smoother and does not suffer from jerkiness when the screen is full of things. the Core Player benchmark is constantly %18-%20 faster on the td2 while testing the same thing
i tried to overclock it but got nothing
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i think this is more about htc optimizing there handsets and having better drivers. i think SE did not look into this as it was there first handset and htc used it to there advantage (instead of informing SE that the hardware could be better used).

720p Recording

There was a hack earlier that allowed n1 to record 720p video. Apparently now it's official. Would something like this be possible on our hero?
http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-one-720p-video-recording

djoanes said:
There was a hack earlier that allowed n1 to record 720p video. Apparently now it's official. Would something like this be possible on our hero?
http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-one-720p-video-recording
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I wouldnt think 720p, but something like 640x480 might be possible

i think that hero hw specs are far from 720p requirements.

spooke said:
I wouldnt think 720p, but something like 640x480 might be possible
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My old N95 could do it so I suppose Hero can as well... That said N95 had a custom dedicated graphic chip and Hero's Adreno engine's integrated into CPU and not as powerfull, but everything else seems to be much more than N95 has, so some kind of compensation should be possible to get the camera to record 640x480.
I don's see anyone ever giving a shot at it, though. They're too busy cooking ROMs. ^__^

oh well, i'm happy with 2.1

maybe audio recording codec can be improved, i don't know how, but a rom that include this feature will be much appreciated as it would enable a "new" usage of hero.

RapFan said:
maybe audio recording codec can be improved, i don't know how, but a rom that include this feature will be much appreciated as it would enable a "new" usage of hero.
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Oh Yes!!
This is the greatest problem of HTC Hero!!
Horrible audio rec and Horrible video rec!!

tron13 said:
Look here at my last post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697296
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I don't see your point. What do you mean? Or are you just threadjacking to promote your rom

Would love to see 720P on our HERO's , if not at least 640x480 wouldnt be bad either... Get on hacking the kernel for our camera to record HD style now devs!!
Hanser01, Radug, behnaam,... waiting for you people to develop in your ROMS
720p is the future for our HEROS, not Froyo

rafi300 said:
720p is the future for our HEROS, not Froyo
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Correction 720p WITH froyo. Best of both worlds.

the recording isn't the issue..It's the saving .
Our Hero doesn't has the power to compress the video to anything worth watching if you go above 352x288... the framerate is already low as it is.
So in _theory_ you could make a 640x480, 1280x720 or even higher capture tool. But it has nowhere to dump it's data.
Anything compression scheme that has low enough cpu requirements, probably generates too much bandwidth to be writable, even if you have a high-speed SD card. And I'm ignoring the storage-requirements with this.
Use the NDK to create a simple MJPEG or HuffyUV saver... and write an Android app that uses that NDK library to compress raw 640x480 images and write it to the SD card in any workable format.
I don't know if this works, I don't even know if the SDK exposes direct-camera access.. if it worked, the amount of data generated would be a couple of MB's for just a few seconds of video.
Doesn't sound usable, so it doesn't sound wise to invest the time.
A 'kernel hack' is out of the question with the Hero, I hope you guys realize that thinking a hack like that could work on the Hero is just plain stupid.

dipje said:
the recording isn't the issue..It's the saving .
Our Hero doesn't has the power to compress the video to anything worth watching if you go above 352x288... the framerate is already low as it is.
So in _theory_ you could make a 640x480, 1280x720 or even higher capture tool. But it has nowhere to dump it's data.
Anything compression scheme that has low enough cpu requirements, probably generates too much bandwidth to be writable, even if you have a high-speed SD card. And I'm ignoring the storage-requirements with this.
Use the NDK to create a simple MJPEG or HuffyUV saver... and write an Android app that uses that NDK library to compress raw 640x480 images and write it to the SD card in any workable format.
I don't know if this works, I don't even know if the SDK exposes direct-camera access.. if it worked, the amount of data generated would be a couple of MB's for just a few seconds of video.
Doesn't sound usable, so it doesn't sound wise to invest the time.
A 'kernel hack' is out of the question with the Hero, I hope you guys realize that thinking a hack like that could work on the Hero is just plain stupid.
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The legend has 640x480 video and a 600 mhz processor. Heros can be clocked to above 700 mhz.

therevell said:
The legend has 640x480 video and a 600 mhz processor. Heros can be clocked to above 700 mhz.
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The top Pentium 4 CPU was clocked to 3.8GHz, and a Core2Duo E6600 is clocked to 2.2GHz but it's still faster. Clock doesn't mean anything if the CPU aren't based on the same architecture, which Legend and Hero aren't.

therevell said:
The legend has 640x480 video and a 600 mhz processor. Heros can be clocked to above 700 mhz.
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Well, the legend and hero are the same Cpu architect actually. So the 600mhz 7227 in the legend is almost the same as our 518mhz 7200. The Droid / milestone for example is way (WAY) faster at 550mhz than the legend's 600mhz.
Anyway, why is 640x480 possible on the legend and at least very difficult on the hero?
The 7227 SoC is quite different ! It's flash controller is way faster, and more important: it has (more) hardware accelerated media functions (better media support chip in the package) .
The hero doesn't have a chip like that, so it has to do it completely on the CPU, where the legend has (limited ) hardware support / acceleration .

sizanx said:
The top Pentium 4 CPU was clocked to 3.8GHz, and a Core2Duo E6600 is clocked to 2.2GHz but it's still faster. Clock doesn't mean anything if the CPU aren't based on the same architecture, which Legend and Hero aren't.
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Clock speed does mean something. Your example isn't that correct. The 3.8ghz P4 only has 1 core whereas the Core2Duo has 2 cores each running 2.2ghz so that's like a total of 4.4ghz.

Sorry for the offtopic, but @info5i2002, don't say something you are far from knowing. It does not matter how many cores you have since the "clock speed" does not add up. E6600 is 2.2GHz. This means it has two cores running at 2.2GHz. You can't say it's running at 4.4GHz. And the high-end P4 was dual-core. P4 6xx I think. And also, you can compare clock-per-clock performance only when you're comparing CPUs with the same architecture.

RaduG said:
Sorry for the offtopic, but @info5i2002, don't say something you are far from knowing. It does not matter how many cores you have since the "clock speed" does not add up. E6600 is 2.2GHz. This means it has two cores running at 2.2GHz. You can't say it's running at 4.4GHz. And the high-end P4 was dual-core. P4 6xx I think.
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I ain't saying that the clockspeed add up together. What I'm saying is that it is akin to having a combined clockspeed of 4.4ghz. Its like how a dual core 1ghz is still somewhat slower than a single core 3ghz.

Clock speed is not the only important thing when you compare two CPUs, the CPU architecture is extremely important too.

RaduG said:
Clock speed is not the only important thing when you compare two CPUs, the CPU architecture is extremely important too.
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Yes yes, I understand that too. Like how ARM Cortex A8 is so much better than say our ARM11 processor (i think its 11)

what someone said is wrong...
HERO/and Sapphire 32A could have 640x480 recording, because MSM7200 has a QDSP5 inside it. and recording is proceeded by VFE functions and not by CPU.
and it is tested with a legend port on Sapphire 32A, yes the fps is low, but I think that it could be improved, if we could get better camera libs and apps to proceed the output frames (which are from hardware and redirected to userspace by Camera kernel driver) faster.

HTC Leo Clone = HTC Desire HD

The new HTC Desire HD is now on HTC's website.
It is HD2 copy but with Android.
Nand on the way(?) when these are in XDA forum users hands.

the hardware is the same? I don't think soo :S
Snapdragon 8255 1gz
768MB of RAM
internal storage 1.5gb
and a battery 1230ma
8mpx

ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh I want one, I want one, I want one! or I'll settle for a nice android port.

really wana get a dump of the Desire HD so i can port it to the HD2, all those new widgets and apps, along with new camera app! easy port to be made

the desire hd is too easy to port like EVO....what I means is: EVO = HTC DESIRE HD
really hard to dump

No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html

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an 4GB internal flash drive]
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4GB... are you sure???
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
That says 1.5GB...
Nonetheless, 8mpx, faster loading time, more ram, more nand, blah blah blah, still pretty much = HD2 Android.
I urge everyone to wait for the new CPU man. It's RTM Q4/2010.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/08/qualcomm-1-5ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-devices-to-arrive-at-end-o/
The fake HD3 specs could true for some specs like 1Gb Ram Given the new Desire HD got 768mb ram.

Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...

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Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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My thoughts too. a fast SD card could will do the trick, besides we'll always be able to use WM at any time.
Until something with a TP2 form factor comes out, I don't think I'm getting a new device. I really miss the keyboard. Resco KB is doing the trick in WM, but it's not like feeling the buttons.
And for God's sake, add some specs. HTC is becoming like Nokia, same hardware in different enclosure every few months.

dang you all . this is android development channel not ur chit chat channel. push this into the android development general thread. why dont noobs understand what and where to put things @@@@

dealer75 said:
I got one for testing purposes...
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Did you ever know that you're our hero? and you can fly higher than an Eagle and you are the wind between our legs?

What the deuce!!, just bought my HD2 4 weeks ago and still got my Nexus, Touch HD and Pro2 from last year lying around Curse you HTC, curse you!!!

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hi, can u get roms and post here....

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dealer75 said:
Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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is it possible for you to post the .apks from the phone. this will help in development .. only if its possible.

TheTeek said:
No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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using my computer knowledge, all these won't affect porting if they use same component for radio/IO/DSP/wireless/bluetooth/GPS...etc
die shrink usually means pin-to-pin compatibility.

dealer75 said:
Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...

richteralan said:
I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
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but what's the point? is it going to change anything...? all that we need is the rom dump and the rest is up to cooks.
btw, this thread is kinda pointless imho. we all know about release of desire hd and z.

Hummingbird VS Snapdragon

I cannot understand why everyone is saying that hummingbird processor is better than snapdragon and that's why I started this thread.
I own an HD2 (snapdragon) and SGS (hummingbird).
I've run linpack and quadrant in both phones and here are the results showing that snapdragon is 4 to 5 times faster.
Hummingbird: linpack 13,864 quadrant CPU 1456
Snapdragon: linpack 63,122 quadrant CPU 4122
I'm only talking for the CPU cause if you go to 3D I'll agree that hummingbird is better (but I don't care about 3D cause I don't use my device for games)
Both phones have android 2,2 installed and I have voodoo lagfix installed in SGS

johcos said:
I cannot understand why everyone is saying that hummingbird processor is better than snapdragon and that's why I started this thread.
I own an HD2 (snapdragon) and SGS (hummingbird).
I've run linpack and quadrant in both phones and here are the results showing that snapdragon is 4 to 5 times faster.
Hummingbird: linpack 13,864 quadrant CPU 1456
Snapdragon: linpack 63,122 quadrant CPU 4122
I'm only talking for the CPU cause if you go to 3D I'll agree that hummingbird is better (but I don't care about 3D cause I don't use my device for games)
Both phones have android 2,2 installed and I have voodoo lagfix installed in SGS
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After looking into it for a while, I was focusing on what makes the Nexus One so much better than the other phones. On the chip level, I didn’t see it. Then it dawned on me to look at what Google had to say on the matter. Well, it was there in black and white. In their 20 May 2010 Developer’s Blog entry (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/05/android-22-and-developers-goodies.html) they say that people could see a 2-5x speed increase. I think it is pointed out in an entry later in the blog dealing with NDK, which I initially missed: “ARM Advanced SIMD (a.k.a. NEON) instruction support The NEON instruction set extension can be used to perform scalar computations on integers and floating points. However, it is an optional CPU feature and will not be supported by all Android ARMv7-A based devices. The NDK includes a tiny library named “cpufeatures” that can be used by native code to test at runtime the features supported by the device’s target CPU.”
So, I guess this means that NEON is the difference. If your phone’s CPU has it and it’s enabled for JIT, you can expect higher Linpack numbers.
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http://www.greenecomputing.com/2010...ack-scores-so-mucher-higher-than-on-my-phone/
Now stop making topics like this.

the difference you notice is software related

If you want a real test, run a hd video on both phones, or a psx emulator and see if the nexus one is 5x faster... it is the same if not slower then the sgs

Well, SGS got hardware h264 decoding acceleration. Also, maybe you forget, but:
he Hummingbird comes with 32KB each of data and instruction caches, an L2 cache, the size of which can be customized, and an ARM® NEON™ multi-media extension.
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SAMSUNG and Intrinsity Jointly Develop the World's Fastest ARM® Cortex™-A8 Processor Based Mobile Core in 45 Nanometer Low Power Process
Advanced SIMD (NEON)
The Advanced SIMD extension, marketed as NEON technology, is a combined 64- and 128-bit single instruction multiple data (SIMD) instruction set that provides standardized acceleration for media and signal processing applications. NEON can execute MP3 audio decoding on CPUs running at 10 MHz and can run the GSM AMR (Adaptive Multi-Rate) speech codec at no more than 13 MHz. It features a comprehensive instruction set, separate register files and independent execution hardware. NEON supports 8-, 16-, 32- and 64-bit integer and single-precision (32-bit) floating-point data and operates in SIMD operations for handling audio and video processing as well as graphics and gaming processing. In NEON, the SIMD supports up to 16 operations at the same time. The NEON hardware shares the same floating-point registers as used in VFP.
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This means Hummingbirds are equipped with NEON. Why its not so effective/used in Quadrant/Linpack? My guess they (these benchmarks) are not compiled/optimised for Hummingbirds, just for Snapdragons.

I came from owning an iPhone and playing lots of games on it. I bought the SGS purely for the gaming performance of the Hummingbird processor.
Having seen the difference in game quality between the HTC Desire and the SGS, I know I made the right decision. Benchmarks don't mean anything.

As long as the device can run apps, games, multimedia smoothly, I dont care much about those benchmarkers, maybe they were designed and/or optimized for snapdragon prior to hummingbird.
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i bet you anything he actually doesn't have a sgs...lol
jealousy maybe just a troll, ignore

In terms of overall smoothness (everything, not just games) the SGS is vastly superior to any other android phone I've seen (Desire included).

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Really? You have to go all out and use the word "everything" when the phone can get major lockups?
"most things" sounds like a more reasonable and believable choice of words...
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My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.

johcos said:
My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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man. if you are not happy, then i think you should sell it. no one here will give you a satisfying answer that warm your heart. look for desire hd or something.
to answer ur questions. i get a 2100+ on quadrant. using voodoo fix and oclf on my eclaire. lag free and smooth as butter.
but either way, these test scores mean nothing. they were not designed for samusng hardware. it was designed based on htc and the snapdragon processor.
even people who use neocore for gpu are wrong. if you wana test the gpu performance, use nenamark1. the sgs gives u 49+ fps while the desire HD struggle to give u 35. while if you use neocore. the sgs gives u 56 while desire hd 58
my point is most of those software were designed with htc hardware in mind. so you cant really compare them.
just test your device for your self. apply whatever best roms you find here. if it doesnt lag and smooth for you. then ^^^^ everyone else.
the display alone is worth keepin the sgs for me. sure people might like i phone 4 display more. but nothing in my eyes come close to the contrast and colors of the super amoled. watching a movie or playing a game is a joy in this device.
hell yesterday evening a local htc store had a demo of desire hd. and the guy was nice enough to me play with it for like 1 hour.
device as a hardware look. its friggin sexy as hell. screen ? beauitful large 4.3 screen. quality colors compared to sgs ? fail. a lil slow and laggy " i am sure its because of the firmware. once roms are out, it will be faster "
i was thinking to change to desire hd honestly. but i wake away from the store kissing my sgs.
i love the desire hf look and feel. but as of now its not as smooth as my sgs. and the screen isnt as vibrant.

Psx emulator does not use the gpu...yet
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android53 said:
Psx emulator does not use the gpu...yet
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this. i played king of fighters on my hd2 and it was laggy as hell
smooth as butter on my galaxy s
to be honest. the day psx4droid use gpu. galaxy owners are in heaven.

Its unlikely it ever will though, even modern pc emulators barely use the gpu, only for anti aliasing
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johcos said:
My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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Why in hell woul you want to incodea video using a smartPHONE...?
It's like trying to fit your family and grocery in a sport car... not made for this bro!
stop trying to find reason to "not like" the SGS, if you don't like it, sell it and be done...

Snapdragon/Hummingbird scores in glbenchmark (nexus one/galaxy s):
integer: 20661/27624
float: 11173/7968
I guess glbenchmark uses native C code (hopefully with armv7 optimization), so the JIT compiler has no effect. From the scores it seems that the floating point unit in Snapdragon is faster - but most of the time it is not used (except video & games).
Anyway, a benchmark to measure the same algorithm in both native & java code with scalar & vector instructions would be great...

t1mman said:
Why in hell woul you want to incodea video using a smartPHONE...?
It's like trying to fit your family and grocery in a sport car... not made for this bro!
stop trying to find reason to "not like" the SGS, if you don't like it, sell it and be done...
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he's not whining, well, not in the first place and i don't see any harm on that i think he's trying to UNDERSTAND reasons behind numbers and daily use with help of other people, so am i. if i had to sell phones for every problem i encounter i will problaby be without (smart)phone at this time
i don't care about benchmarks, but if you think that sgs is smoother than hd2 xda optimized (with wm 6.5 or android 2.2) you obviously never owned an hd2 i'm not talking about games, like johcos says galaxy s performance is not questionable. but android is not all about game. anyway, i don't think hardware is the problem here, sure sgs is superior in many aspects, we know that, regardless benchmarks (even if it seems here that only benchmarks where sgs win are trustworthy, others are not good, not optimized, not realistic, meaningless for real life performance etc.). with a little help from samsung and this community sgs will soon outperform (in real usage) all snapdragon phones. i hope

...when average men talk about the high tech w/o knowledge, boo

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
man. if you are not happy, then i think you should sell it. no one here will give you a satisfying answer that warm your heart. look for desire hd or something.
to answer ur questions. i get a 2100+ on quadrant. using voodoo fix and oclf on my eclaire. lag free and smooth as butter.
but either way, these test scores mean nothing. they were not designed for samusng hardware. it was designed based on htc and the snapdragon processor.
even people who use neocore for gpu are wrong. if you wana test the gpu performance, use nenamark1. the sgs gives u 49+ fps while the desire HD struggle to give u 35. while if you use neocore. the sgs gives u 56 while desire hd 58
my point is most of those software were designed with htc hardware in mind. so you cant really compare them.
just test your device for your self. apply whatever best roms you find here. if it doesnt lag and smooth for you. then ^^^^ everyone else.
the display alone is worth keepin the sgs for me. sure people might like i phone 4 display more. but nothing in my eyes come close to the contrast and colors of the super amoled. watching a movie or playing a game is a joy in this device.
hell yesterday evening a local htc store had a demo of desire hd. and the guy was nice enough to me play with it for like 1 hour.
device as a hardware look. its friggin sexy as hell. screen ? beauitful large 4.3 screen. quality colors compared to sgs ? fail. a lil slow and laggy " i am sure its because of the firmware. once roms are out, it will be faster "
i was thinking to change to desire hd honestly. but i wake away from the store kissing my sgs.
i love the desire hf look and feel. but as of now its not as smooth as my sgs. and the screen isnt as vibrant.
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Honestly couldn't agree anymore, even with all the problems the SGS has. The screen+hardware combination is just too overwhelming for me to swap the phone for something else.