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I'm one for technical innovation, don't get me wrong. I'm loving all the new tech that comes out. The atrix 4g basically wet my panties with its specs.
BUT. I hate how youhave top of the line equipment one day, then 6 months later it is completely outclassed.
Imagine if the video game systems did this?
The gamecube/xbox cam out in 2001
The 360 came out in 2005
The wii in 06
The ps2 is STILL kicken, but its original life was from 2000-2006
And the 360 and ps3 are here for a while to come. That much is clear. Why? Because the hardware is still underutilized!
Yeah, there were remakes, but nothing was remade to the poin where you were just "I HAVE TO UPGRADE."
they build stuff that's aheadof their times. Just recently the gamecube was found to have hidden 3d connectors!
Also, when there is a remake of a system, its usually a LOT cheaper, mostl because the cost of the tech drops. Look at the xbox 360 kinect.
Its like thedifferencebetween the galaxy s and nexus s, yet its CHEAPER!
Now look what else samsung is doing
Our Vibrant Brethren got fluffed big time. T-mo is getting a "Vibrant 4g" which is the vibrant with the original galaxy s specs (same thing but with hspa+ and ffc) and....RUNNING TW FROYO!!!!!!
Samsung is the company I wouldn't wanna follow. I've always loved samsungs hardware. Its always top of the line. But I've never had a samsung phone before this one, and I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my last -_- I thought all the stories about samsungs horrible track record regarding updates was a bunch of hoopla becaue my hero was updated regularly. My thought was "lol if htc is pushing these updates out, imagine samsungs speed!"
Boy was I wrong.
If it wasn't for the android dev community, samsungs android phones would've been dead a long time ago. They should realize this.
/endrant
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A_Flying_Fox said:
I'm one for technical innovation, don't get me wrong. I'm loving all the new tech that comes out. The atrix 4g basically wet my panties with its specs.
BUT. I hate how youhave top of the line equipment one day, then 6 months later it is completely outclassed.
Imagine if the video game systems did this?
The gamecube/xbox cam out in 2001
The 360 came out in 2005
The wii in 06
The ps2 is STILL kicken, but its original life was from 2000-2006
And the 360 and ps3 are here for a while to come. That much is clear. Why? Because the hardware is still underutilized!
Yeah, there were remakes, but nothing was remade to the poin where you were just "I HAVE TO UPGRADE."
they build stuff that's aheadof their times. Just recently the gamecube was found to have hidden 3d connectors!
Also, when there is a remake of a system, its usually a LOT cheaper, mostl because the cost of the tech drops. Look at the xbox 360 kinect.
Its like thedifferencebetween the galaxy s and nexus s, yet its CHEAPER!
Now look what else samsung is doing
Our Vibrant Brethren got fluffed big time. T-mo is getting a "Vibrant 4g" which is the vibrant with the original galaxy s specs (same thing but with hspa+ and ffc) and....RUNNING TW FROYO!!!!!!
Samsung is the company I wouldn't wanna follow. I've always loved samsungs hardware. Its always top of the line. But I've never had a samsung phone before this one, and I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my last -_- I thought all the stories about samsungs horrible track record regarding updates was a bunch of hoopla becaue my hero was updated regularly. My thought was "lol if htc is pushing these updates out, imagine samsungs speed!"
Boy was I wrong.
If it wasn't for the android dev community, samsungs android phones would've been dead a long time ago. They should realize this.
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I agree with you 497%
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1143070p1.html
just a little link I found about the ps3 totally unrelated to this forum but hey

Intersting observation and comparison. I think the difference is that it takes so much development to introduce a new system that the entire process is excessively costly. From my understanding, each manufacturer (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) loses money on each system sold because the costs are so high. They recoup the costs in peripherals and software development (getting game devlopers onboard to make games for their systems). Phone manufacturers make their money on the front end (phone sales) so they have every incentive to continue pushing out as many new phones as possible to cover every segment of the available phone market.
Different ideas at play.

tphillips78 said:
I agree with you 497%
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1143070p1.html
just a little link I found about the ps3 totally unrelated to this forum but hey
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Lol sony really hates having open software. If they REALLY go through the effort of designing a Whole new system JUST to do what htc thought they did with the g2, then the video game world as we know it will clearly be gone.
They sould just pull a nintendo. "Hey, If you manage to hack it, whatevs. But ifyou accidentally update and we brick it, don't get mad boo "
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running_the_dream said:
Intersting observation and comparison. I think the difference is that it takes so much development to introduce a new system that the entire process is excessively costly. From my understanding, each manufacturer (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) loses money on each system sold because the costs are so high. They recoup the costs in peripherals and software development (getting game devlopers onboard to make games for their systems). Phone manufacturers make their money on the front end (phone sales) so they have every incentive to continue pushing out as many new phones as possible to cover every segment of the available phone market.
Different ideas at play.
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But they're catering to the SAME individuals with ever release everyfew months.
Look at the HD2 and HD7 -_- STUFF LIK THAT KILLS ME
REALLY HTC? THE HD2 CAN'T HNDLE WINDOWS PHONE 7 BUT THE SAME HARDWARE RELEASED A YEAR LATER CAN?

Btw thanks for not flaming even though I was ranting
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A_Flying_Fox said:
Lol sony really hates having open software. If they REALLY go through the effort of designing a Whole new system JUST to do what htc thought they did with the g2, then the video game world as we know it will clearly be gone.
They sould just pull a nintendo. "Hey, If you manage to hack it, whatevs. But ifyou accidentally update and we brick it, don't get mad boo "
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Lol what gets me is that they complain about the ps3 being hacked what about when the playstayion phone comes out on android? Back to Samsung/Sprint for a hot second though. If samsung can release Froyo on all these other carriers worldwide with the TW interface what's truly stopping them from a US release? Is it the fact that if its ready for one carrier and not the others the others ***** threatening to drop samsung support for there customers? That's my opinion on the subject. If and when Froyo is released it will be on all carriers at the same time
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Lol what gets me is that they complain about the ps3 being hacked what about when the playstayion phone comes out on android? Back to Samsung/Sprint for a hot second though. If samsung can release Froyo on all these other carriers worldwide with the TW interface what's truly stopping them from a US release? Is it the fact that if its ready for one carrier and not the others the others ***** threatening to drop samsung support for there customers? That's my opinion on the subject. If and when Froyo is released it will be on all carriers at the same time
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Yeah they're probably gonna go the moto route and put a blocked bootloader and then drop all support if you root it lol.
But yeah bck to sammy/sprint, I though about that. Until the nexus s came out with gingerbread on tmo.
Same hardware, latest software. So its clearly possible to put the latest software in.
What if its google?
I mean...so far only the nexus s has gingerread, but all the phones at ces blow the pants off the NS and NONE of them were running gingerbread (cept the arc I guess).
I just wish that they would embrace the O in AOSP.
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A_Flying_Fox said:
Yeah they're probably gonna go the moto route and put a blocked bootloader and then drop all support if you root it lol.
But yeah bck to sammy/sprint, I though about that. Until the nexus s came out with gingerbread on tmo.
Same hardware, latest software. So its clearly possible to put the latest software in.
What if its google?
I mean...so far only the nexus s has gingerread, but all the phones at ces blow the pants off the NS and NONE of them were running gingerbread (cept the arc I guess).
I just wish that they would embrace the O in AOSP.
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Very true it could very well be google to promote their "Flagship Device" oddly enough made by Samsung. Which is only available at Best Buy I believe still and not through T-Moblie Corporate (why I don't know). The only reason I don't think that it is Google is the fact that Google has promoted the "O" in AOSP to the fullest if they didn't we wouldn't be on this site with this discussion. Sammy could have struck a deal worth millions with Google to have their device pushed through so quickly. I still have yet to play with one. From what I have heard it's not very sturdy. That's from friends and acquaintances at Best Buy. They recommend the Vibrant over that thing if T-Mobile is your thing.

There is also the issue of phone contracts. So they are not catering to the same exact customers. For example, I am out of the market because I recently purchased the Epic. But, there are other people whose contracts are just ending or will be ending soon. So they constantly need the next new thing out there to entice those folks into paying customers. Video game hardware is different because there are new video games (as opposed to new phones). The games developers make better games over time by learning the hardware. While phone manufacters make better (usually) phones over time.

running_the_dream said:
There is also the issue of phone contracts. So they are not catering to the same exact customers. For example, I am out of the market because I recently purchased the Epic. But, there are other people whose contracts are just ending or will be ending soon. So they constantly need the next new thing out there to entice those folks into paying customers. Video game hardware is different because there are new video games (as opposed to new phones). The games developers make better games over time by learning the hardware. While phone manufacters make better (usually) phones over time.
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And some games have better resale value than others. Imagine if Game Stop was called Phone Stop and you could trade your old phone in for half the price you paid for it and buy a new one. I think I just had an epiphany lol. That settles it. Who's in with me to start this company lol. We just need $50,000 to start. I take pay-pal too lol

Haha. It's a nice notion. Ebay is the de facto 'phone stop' though. But hey, I have $1 to pitch in for start up money

running_the_dream said:
Haha. It's a nice notion. Ebay is the de facto 'phone stop' though. But hey, I have $1 to pitch in for start up money
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True Ebay is. You have just shattered my dreams. Crushed my soul. Thanks lol

It may not compare to console gaming, but look at PC gaming which gets "outdated" faster than phones. Sure <insert game> will run marginally better on a high end gaming PC built today compared to 6 months ago, but the same game will play just fine on that 6 month old system.
I bought this phone in particular to future proof myself. The hardware on this thing should be more than efficient enough to handle anything thrown at it software wise until my contract is up for another upgrade.
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CapsLockKey said:
It may not compare to console gaming, but look at PC gaming which gets "outdated" faster than phones. Sure <insert game> will run marginally better on a high end gaming PC built today compared to 6 months ago, but the same game will play just fine on that 6 month old system.
I bought this phone in particular to future proof myself. The hardware on this thing should be more than efficient enough to handle anything thrown at it software wise until my contract is up for another upgrade.
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Yeah I will give Sammy that. The Hardware is absolutely unbelievable. I just get angry with all the software upgrades going around to other phones and not the Samsung "Flagship" (other than the Nexus S) device. I mean come on the Intercept has 2.2.

Canadian Release Date

Alright so I apologize in advance if this is somewhere on the forum already, and seeing as Google is being uncooperative and giving me a great number of suspected US release dates I was just wondering if anyone had any inside info on when this godly phone will launch in Canada/with which carriers/what cost will be?
I'm finally off contract and wanna dump my POS BBerry Storm for it!

it doesn't matter, because once it's released in the US you can buy it unlocked online...

That would be great if I wasn't on a student's budget (engineering in ontario ain't cheap)

teh_pwnage said:
That would be great if I wasn't on a student's budget (engineering in ontario ain't cheap)
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lol...i know...in Ontario nothing is cheep anymore

nixguy said:
lol...i know...in Ontario nothing is cheep anymore
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WOOO $8500 + books a year in tuition!

I'm so selling my Galaxy S for the S2. The S2 just looks like a very good upgrade over the first Galaxy S

I would LOVE to have the date, because I've been holding off upgrading my desire for a few months and would love for it to come to Telus (hopefully first!). But if not, I would have no problem jumping ship to Bell to get this beautiful marvel of technology!!

teh_pwnage said:
WOOO $8500 + books a year in tuition!
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How about 38 grand a year in tuition... I have to get all my money from "recycling" my gadgets. Like buy a couple phones on contract, sell em off contract for a little extra profit and use the net gain to buy say a desktop or something. Or sell old desktop (old as in 6 months) and use that money to buy phone+laptop. Because of this cycle I don't have one computer or phone for more than 6 months at a time.

Hoping for Windmobile / MobilityCity to bring them into Canada
then we'll have the proper 1700+2100 version
the AT&T 850/1900 version is available for pre order already in many sites
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Alright so I apologize in advance if this is somewhere on the forum already, and seeing as Google is being uncooperative and giving me a great number of suspected US release dates I was just wondering if anyone had any inside info on when this godly phone will launch in Canada/with which carriers/what cost will be?
I'm finally off contract and wanna dump my POS BBerry Storm for it!
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Yea I wouldn't complain about under 10k/yr in tuition... that's a bargain even at state schools in the US.
Anyway, I'm just waiting for T-mobile's version so I can use it on WIND... I really don't want to have to switch to Bell/Telus/Rogers/Fido to be able to use the SGS2.
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WOOO $8500 + books a year in tuition!
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dinan said:
Yea I wouldn't complain about under 10k/yr in tuition... that's a bargain even at state schools in the US.
Anyway, I'm just waiting for T-mobile's version so I can use it on WIND... I really don't want to have to switch to Bell/Telus/Rogers/Fido to be able to use the SGS2.
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Oh i can complain when it's working 4 jobs while trying to juggle an engineering degree to pay tuition and rent

Unless somebody has some inside info, I'd just suggest watching Samsung Mobile Canada's Twitter feed.
Right now they are totally focused on the release of the Nexus S this week, so I wouldn't expect them to give a release date for the S II until that noise settles down.
Gah, can't wait. My old HTC Touch (running Android) is dying a little more each day. Almost useless now.

arlojj said:
Unless somebody has some inside info, I'd just suggest watching Samsung Mobile Canada's Twitter feed.
Right now they are totally focused on the release of the Nexus S this week, so I wouldn't expect them to give a release date for the S II until that noise settles down.
Gah, can't wait. My old HTC Touch (running Android) is dying a little more each day. Almost useless now.
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A Touch running Android? That's insane! My Desire barely handled Froyo due to low memory!!!

mickliq said:
A Touch running Android? That's insane! My Desire barely handled Froyo due to low memory!!!
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Actually, the latest builds people have cooked (and not with 1.5, 2.2.1!) actually run pretty damn smooth. It's come a long way. I have the Bell version of the touch which is at 400Mhz. I doubt the 200Mhz touch would be enjoyable, though.
In fact, I keep checking this forum for the latest SII news from the taptalk app. Some of the more demanding applications don't work very smooth (ex: the official twitter app with it's moving clouds background), and there always seem to be random bugs with different builds (no audio input for voice search or guitar tuners for example) but people are still, surprisingly, churning out more and more refined editions.
If it wasn't for the fact that the top button on my phone was broken (yeah, critical, I have to keep the phone's screen on and therefore the phone plugged in all the time, hence I can't for for the S II to come out!) it would be a pretty damn usable in most respects.

Can't wait for it either!!! But at the same time, in an effort to improve my Desire, I have endless hours of fun trying out new roms, exotic roms!! Hopefully this thing will come close to the kind of support that thing has...

Resisting the urge to "insert stupid random comment here"... I want to say everything in the HTC EVO Vs. iPhone 4 video only make the iPhone zombie want an SGS II (making him smart and saving someone's life!)

GUYS one of the reporters for mobile syrup spoke to the canadian samsung VP and confirmed a late Q2-early Q3 launch!!!
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/04/14/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-coming-to-canada-by-early-q3/

I figure you will have to wait for the NS buzz to cool down and then they will pop this out of no where for the rest of the bunch that didnt get the NS.
You will see this in end June or July to fight the iPhone 5 release, IF Apple is releasing it in July, otherwise it will be Sept.

Either way I don't care... I want the SGS II, NS to me is old tech....
TheSobadef said:
GUYS one of the reporters for mobile syrup spoke to the canadian samsung VP and confirmed a late Q2-early Q3 launch!!!
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/04/14/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-coming-to-canada-by-early-q3/
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That news makes me beyond happy... you have no idea... and with a possible new job in the works plenty of time to save!

TheSobadef said:
GUYS one of the reporters for mobile syrup spoke to the canadian samsung VP and confirmed a late Q2-early Q3 launch!!!
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/04/14/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-coming-to-canada-by-early-q3/
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Eeeeech. End of June, early July? Sigh.
At least by then my full Bell contract will be over, so I can choose a different carrier if need be. Can't wait to get rid of this HTC Touch/Vogue.

A new version of XPlay?

It seems SE will launch a new PS Certified phone, the successor of Xperia Play.
Phone sizes keep creeping up, to the point where I worry using a 10.1-inch tablet will soon become the norm. If rumors are correct, Sony Ericsson's thinking big with their first glasses-free 3D phone—a possible PlayStation phone, perhaps?
Word on the street is Sony Ericsson wants a slice of the 3D pie that HTC and LG have both already cut, however negative the reviews may've been for the EVO 3D and Thrill 4G. Supposedly this phone they're working on with a 4.7-inch screen has a mega resolution of 1280 x 720, which in my eyes would make it perfectly placed for a follow-up PlayStation gaming phone to the Xperia Play.
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This makes me say "I knew it!".

Geeve said:
It seems SE will launch a new PS Certified phone, the successor of Xperia Play.
This makes me say "I knew it!".
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4.7 inch screen?? Nothing like carrying a doormat in your pocket!

http://gizmodo.com/5826852/is-47+inches-too-big-for-a-sony-ericsson-3d-gaming-phone
For those wondering...

the xperia is pretty fresh i dout it thy'll make a new ps phone

Rogue Leader said:
4.7 inch screen?? Nothing like carrying a doormat in your pocket!
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My desire HD has a 4.3inch screen, and i could use it with one hand alot easer than my play

Zeok said:
the xperia is pretty fresh i dout it thy'll make a new ps phone
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who said is has to be a ps phone like ours? sony is expected to release many playstation certified devices over the comming years, and also sell the playstation certified licence to other companies like Samsung and HTC

AndroHero said:
My desire HD has a 4.3inch screen, and i could use it with one hand alot easer than my play
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My 7 inch tablet works great with 1 hand...
doesn't make it fit in my pocket any easier....

Rogue Leader said:
My 7 inch tablet works great with 1 hand...
doesn't make it fit in my pocket any easier....
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I hope they do release a 2nd PS Certified device, however, I don't hope it's this soon. I hope maybe after a year or so. Then, that would be an epic win. Vita specs with a smaller shell and a radio cell enabled.

Nhialor said:
I hope they do release a 2nd PS Certified device, however, I don't hope it's this soon. I hope maybe after a year or so. Then, that would be an epic win. Vita specs with a smaller shell and a radio cell enabled.
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The upcoming S1 and S2 tablets are PlayStation Certified devices.
On topic, Vita anyone?

Nhialor said:
I hope they do release a 2nd PS Certified device, however, I don't hope it's this soon. I hope maybe after a year or so. Then, that would be an epic win. Vita specs with a smaller shell and a radio cell enabled.
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I have a feeling we will see the next PS certified devices by christmas time. Especially if the PS Suite finally launches in the fall.

But I just bought a play LOL

Geeve said:
It seems SE will launch a new PS Certified phone, the successor of Xperia Play.
This makes me say "I knew it!".
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Just a thought maybe this is the nexus prime?! 720p display check, huge ass screen for a phone check. I'm sure this will use dual core so thats another check. Make's sense for this to have ice cream sandwhich since it has that big ass screen. Nexus prime doesnt use any buttons, so 4.7 isnt that bad when you can make room since no buttons.
I can see why they would release it early. The new nexus comes out in november
Can this really be the new nexus prime? What do you guys think

I really hope It had happens.. Xperia Play could of been better.
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pachi72 said:
I really hope It had happens.. Xperia Play could of been better.
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Ditto. Sure I would get a good price selling my Play and would upgrade right away.

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The upcoming S1 and S2 tablets are PlayStation Certified devices.
On topic, Vita anyone?
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The Vita looks sweet. Thing is... I have a Xperia Play already

One thing is for certain, I would not be getting the Play 2, the Play has been disappointing in a LOT of ways.

Logseman said:
The Vita looks sweet. Thing is... I have a Xperia Play already
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LOL, your comparing a mid range android phone that plays mobile games to a state of the art dedicated handheld that will make the Play look like a Sega Game Gear?
Okay then lol......
Vita will have Uncharted, Resistance, Call Of Duty, Mod Nation Racers, Little Big Planet, Wipeout, PSN etc from day one and have graphics nearing the 360 and ps3 on a handheld.
I'm currently looking to pre order my Vita, the Play will do me until the Vita releases, i'll then get rid and have a "normal android or ios phone" and a dedicated gaming device (Vita) as the two don't mix too well at all in one device as seen with the Play lol.
And many people agree judging by the terrible sales of the Play and the poor reviews from across the board.......

Don't see what everyone is complaining about.
fk 3d phones and why do people need dual core. Do you often find yourself using 100% processing all the time.
3D has to be the biggest gimmicks out there at the moment and not to mention it's lack of clarity.
The problem i find here is that most people are whining about a phone that has been out less than 6 months and for some regions on 1 month.
For most regions it came on 2.3.3 and an update for 2.3.4 is out in September not to mention the recent software update that has already made the phone better in some features.
People here obviously lack patience and if you are constantly looking at what is coming out next then you will always be disappointed with any of your purchases.
Here's an idea... if you don't buy anything ever you will never be disappointed.
You made your bed now sleep in it or trade in your phone or something.
I love my play and am perfectly satisfied at the time between updates. If you like your play you will tell people about it rather than complaining about it and turning of people from buying it which then leads to companies not supporting it due to the low sales.

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Don't see what everyone is complaining about.
fk 3d phones and why do people need dual core. Do you often find yourself using 100% processing all the time.
3D has to be the biggest gimmicks out there at the moment and not to mention it's lack of clarity.
The problem i find here is that most people are whining about a phone that has been out less than 6 months and for some regions on 1 month.
For most regions it came on 2.3.3 and an update for 2.3.4 is out in September not to mention the recent software update that has already made the phone better in some features.
People here obviously lack patience and if you are constantly looking at what is coming out next then you will always be disappointed with any of your purchases.
Here's an idea... if you don't buy anything ever you will never be disappointed.
You made your bed now sleep in it or trade in your phone or something.
I love my play and am perfectly satisfied at the time between updates. If you like your play you will tell people about it rather than complaining about it and turning of people from buying it which then leads to companies not supporting it due to the low sales.
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I agree whole heartedly! Love my play, only real issue is devs not making decent enough games for it - bit of a chicken egg scenario, devs wont make games as not enough ppl have bought the phone, ppl wont buy as not enough devs making decent games for it...
Don't matter tho, FPSE and the xoid family gives you all you need
Back on topic - I would love there to be more ps certified devices, and cross manufacturer, I want a dual screen device, with the second screen displaying a game pad or a keyboard at all times depending what I am doing!

i hate touch screen controls so until there are more phones with gamepads PS certified phones don't really interest me unless they are the next gen Xperia Plays.
pretty much all SE devices from now on will be PlayStation certified.

Kal-El....No Pototype? Watch! Quad-Core Tablets not coming out this year? Not true!

Here is a prototype running Kal-El!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/nvidia-kal-el-development-platform-hands-on-video/
Edit: Browsing with Kal-El -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yab7mv9yOm8&feature=player_embedded
Edit: Benchmark -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATNyBTPltI&feature=player_embedded#at=36

Having a prototype running proves absolutely NOTHING about when it'll come on mass market!

Ya you're absolutely jumping the gun on this one. That's not only old news but doesn't prove (or even claim) anything we don't already know.

I really don't think we'll see them until 2012. If we do see them earlier, great. I want Tegra 3 AND Android 4.0 though. So unless the late 2011 ones have Ice Cream Sandwich, I'll still hold off. I don't trust any manufacturer enough to let them promise me an ICS upgrade. Maybe Motorola since they're all buddy buddy with Google.

muqali said:
I want Tegra 3 AND Android 4.0 though.
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I'm hoping someone will buy me one as a present. Maybe that Fluffbutt, hmmmmm..

WereCatf said:
I'm hoping someone will buy me one as a present. Maybe that Fluffbutt, hmmmmm..
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I just buy my own presents. More reliable and I always get stuff I want.

.. though there are reports of Asus Padfone with Tegra3 & ICS due out for the Holidays - I'm not holding my breath though.

We wont have Android 4.0 for a while. The next version is supposed to be 2.4.
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its a real shame that tegra2 is out there now and there really arent so many apps/games for it .. and now they are prepping to get another cpu out ...
it kinda makes fell sorry for buying this tablet.

The same happens with all computer hardware. If you wait until the next great thing to come out, you'll never buy anything.

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its a real shame that tegra2 is out there now and there really arent so many apps/games for it .. and now they are prepping to get another cpu out ...
it kinda makes fell sorry for buying this tablet.
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I'll probably be selling the A500's in Mexico once the Kal-El models come out. I'll be able to sell it for about what they sell for now in the US. I'll make money and it'll be cheaper than if they bought them new here. Win-Win.
I'll have a "Looking To Buy" post in the general discussion, just keep an eye open for it around the turn of the year or when Tegra 3 tabs are available(in stores, not vaporware)

im waiting for Samsung to release a tegra 3 myself. Their tablets are expensive, but they actually support their hardware *demonic glance in Acers direction* and it actually works *laughs at motorolas non functioning micro SD port* and doesn't have so many hardware issues (read: transformer light bleed issues and failing docks)

ohhh my
I just want a new pair of heels.And matching skirt.
OK for real i do not think Acer will support this tab past honeycomb.The same goes for other oems as well.but only time will tell the truth.

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I just want a new pair of heels.
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Heels... pfft. They're way too girly for me. I use New Rock platformers myself.

The Odom Project said:
im waiting for Samsung to release a tegra 3 myself. Their tablets are expensive, but they actually support their hardware *demonic glance in Acers direction* and it actually works *laughs at motorolas non functioning micro SD port* and doesn't have so many hardware issues (read: transformer light bleed issues and failing docks)
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I may go that route myself, Samsung generally makes good products. Quality near Sony's without the megalomaniacal "make our own standards" in every package. It really sucks the patent crap between Apple and these devices. I'm really hoping that existing patent laws get annihilated soon, but considering politicians are all on the dole I don't see it happening.

muqali said:
I may go that route myself, Samsung generally makes good products. Quality near Sony's without the megalomaniacal "make our own standards" in every package. It really sucks the patent crap between Apple and these devices. I'm really hoping that existing patent laws get annihilated soon, but considering politicians are all on the dole I don't see it happening.
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Ibwouldnt worry too much about patents, no one ever goes anywhere with them. As soon as one company thinks they have the other pinned, something new comes up.

The King is dead. Long live the King...

http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-3320p3.php
I hate to say... but I don't like it at all... Sony Xperia? Damn... it sounds weird...

Good..
Hopefully we will see some real contenders from se now

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Good..
Hopefully we will see some real contenders from se now
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You did mean Sony...
I do not see as something good... Sony has one of the best security measures in the market... and also we can forget about open source... Sony is just a Japanese Apple, judging from Playstation scene...

Ferrum Master said:
You did mean Sony...
I do not see as something good... Sony has one of the best security measures in the market... and also we can forget about open source... Sony is just a Japanese Apple, judging from Playstation scene...
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I doubt they will do that with android.
They will follow suit to compete.
Now they might release phones that are extremely stylish AND offer competitive specs, the latter something they have truly been behind on.

scoobysnacks said:
I doubt they will do that with android.
They will follow suit to compete.
Now they might release phones that are extremely stylish AND offer competitive specs, the latter something they have truly been behind on.
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If they lock up after previously going open, Sony's gonna lose a serious amount of customers.

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If they lock up after previously going open, Sony's gonna lose a serious amount of customers.
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Exactly...
They will follow samsungs suit for sure

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I doubt they will do that with android.
They will follow suit to compete.
Now they might release phones that are extremely stylish AND offer competitive specs, the latter something they have truly been behind on.
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No Sony will open the pandoras box... they will defend their own stuff. Lock the Bootloader for sure, and introduce encryption. Why?
We all know that Sony for years didn't give to its child SE one thing... Playstation Sources... nobody in the world can emulate PS2/PSP as good as their own creator... we all know that theoretically wise todays phones are PS2 capable if PSP Vita is PS3 graphics capable at the moment... imagine, if your stock Android could run all PSP/PS2 legacy just with proper efficient recompiler? SE experimented with Xperia Play and stepped on Sony's foot, and seems Sony didn't like it, as it can ruin their business with PSP line(inner competition).
Style? Yeah for sure... it was and it will be... SONY has the best design by default... nobody can touch them in that department...

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No Sony will open the pandoras box... they will defend their own stuff. Lock the Bootloader for sure, and introduce encryption. Why?
We all know that Sony for years didn't give to its child SE one thing... Playstation Sources... nobody in the world can emulate PS2/PSP as good as their own creator... we all know that theoretically wise todays phones are PS2 capable if PSP Vita is PS3 graphics capable at the moment... imagine, if your stock Android could run all PSP/PS2 legacy just with proper efficient recompiler? SE experimented with Xperia Play and stepped on Sony's foot, and seems Sony didn't like it, as it can ruin their business with PSP line(inner competition).
Style? Yeah for sure... it was and it will be... SONY has the best design by default... nobody can touch them in that department...
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You're spouting a lot of rumor and opinion as truth.
From what I hear ericsson was the dead weight in that relationship, holding up development and making poor choices.
I think we will in the end see this as a very positive move.
I really think Sony knows better than to bury themselves like you are implying.

Soon, someone is going to make a misinformed post about the whole Sony/PS3/GeoHot thing and how that relates to this situation...
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Which it doesn't, of course.

U know no means to connect PS3 to android its completely different sony made PS3 and its firmware and they want to sell games and keep away piracy from PS3 to earn money...
In android I think its a rule to atleast release the kernel sources...
And they don't want to loose money they are here to earn money and they see every means and techniques to earn money and they will definitely not lock their devices down to loose their money by losing their costumers...
The prices I think will definitely raise
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sahibunlimited said:
U know no means to connect PS3 to android its completely different sony made PS3 and its firmware and they want to sell games and keep away piracy from PS3 to earn money...
In android I think its a rule to atleast release the kernel sources...
And they don't want to loose money they are here to earn money and they see every means and techniques to earn money and they will definitely not lock their devices down to loose their money by losing their costumers...
The prices I think will definitely raise I think
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I doubt the prices will raise, they are already one of the more expensive brands.
The arc costs the same as the sgs2 if i were to buy it from Rogers.

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I doubt the prices will raise, they are already one of the more expensive brands.
The arc costs the same as the sgs2 if i were to buy it from Rogers.
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If I go to normal shop then u are right...
If eBay then
Arc is 2/3 price of sgs2
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I think they will improve their product as they can in order to compete in the market. And Sony's software policy is the same on each platform. Android is not an excuse.
And... We are not objective mates... we are just a bunch of geeks, and mere customers doesn't care about locked/unlocked bootloaders. We are nothing more than a mere minority of the market... definitely not the one on whom money could be made!(except of the habit bricking phones)
No matter what Ericsson is dead again... it is the second time Although its original Semiconductor part is doing great... its next gen CPU is present even on Chinas HTC Sensation(Due TD-SCDMA) and new NovaTHOR platform sounds very good, so we wont forget the name so soon.
The Biggest looser in the market is that old rubber boot maker... SE because the plain redesign using faster CPU, minimized the costs for R/D and etc development to establish new generation of phones for fall season... instead of NOKIA throwing out endless rubbish...

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If I go to normal shop then u are right...
If eBay then
Arc is 2/3 price of sgs2
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Does Samsung has also a policy for selling cheaper phones to poor countries and Asia? That explains why the cost is so different on ebay... they are just gray market phones...? And SGS2 is popular and it keeps the price high...

Sony's smartphone play: Too little, too late <link
*edit/- The views expressed in this article are solely those of Roger Cheng and CNet.
Any response to butthurt incurred by said article should be addressed to him.
sorry guys, had to

look, we are all entitled to our opinions.
However, I am getting tired of all this whining about how Sony will destroy SE's legacy. Sony and Ericsson both helped in the JV, they also could have given more. We will never know cause we don't work for them. but one thing is for sure though, IT'S NO CERTAINTY THAT SONY WILL DESTROY THIS LEGACY. Of course I'm not saying they might or might not, but jeez people, don't write them off without giving them any chance. see what they have to offer then whine. sheesh.

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look, we are all entitled to our opinions.
However, I am getting tired of all this whining about how Sony will destroy SE's legacy. Sony and Ericsson both helped in the JV, they also could have given more. We will never know cause we don't work for them. but one thing is for sure though, IT'S NO CERTAINTY THAT SONY WILL DESTROY THIS LEGACY. Of course I'm not saying they might or might not, but jeez people, don't write them off without giving them any chance. see what they have to offer then whine. sheesh.
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Agreed...
The two of them together were doing a good job failing anyway. Lol
If anything this has the ability to bring them back to the top

scoobysnacks said:
Agreed...
The two of them together were doing a good job failing anyway. Lol
If anything this has the ability to bring them back to the top
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You know what they say when you're at the bottom, there's nowhere to go but up
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Sony Ericsson Xperia = S.E.X
now it's just S.X => .......

If Sony success, you will get awesome phones man. Don't complain about these change.