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Purposely brick a DX

Ok guys, weird question...my screen is totally scratched up, no idea how it happened, but I am really pissed off about it. Anyway, I have the best buy extra insurance (Black tie?). I want to brick my DX so they can give me a new one. ****ed up I know, but I am paying for it, so I might as well take advantage. How do i do, or what is the best way to make it irrecoverable?

If you bought the accidental plan, just drop in in a puddle. I told them i was gonna hack it when i bought it and they said no problem but if anything happens and I have to bring it in, I better make sure it doesnt power on at all.

Best solution, pop it in the microwave for a couple seconds. It will nit power on after that.
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why don't you just tell them you lost it.. .

put it in a bowl and piss on it

gobbles23 said:
Best solution, pop it in the microwave for a couple seconds. It will nit power on after that.
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bonus points if you do this and post a vid!

Better yet take fat dump on it put in a zip lock bag and take it out just before you bring it into the store then they wont even attempt to turn it on ja
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bad4u6669 said:
bonus points if you do this and post a vid!
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I swear I will do it, but I need to know if it will show any damage or whatever. Either this or I was thinking about telling them I dropped it and bash it with a hammer over a towel or something.

Breakthecycle2 said:
I swear I will do it, but I need to know if it will show any damage or whatever. Either this or I was thinking about telling them I dropped it and bash it with a hammer over a towel or something.
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throw it out a high window, say you dropped it at your hotel on vacation. or just step on it till the screen breaks and say you sat on it. their not gonna ask for a 10 page essay inorder to turn it in...

bad4u6669 said:
throw it out a high window, say you dropped it at your hotel on vacation. or just step on it till the screen breaks and say you sat on it. their not gonna ask for a 10 page essay inorder to turn it in...
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No, I get that, but I don't want them to repair it. I just want a new one.

When u signed up for the contract u agreed to have a new OR refurb at their discretion. You will be without your phone for 2to 4 weeks
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zsg1313 said:
When u signed up for the contract u agreed to have a new OR refurb at their discretion. You will be without your phone for 2to 4 weeks
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No I didn't BB gives you a loaner phone and a new device if they cant fix it. I have a backup phone anyway.

I'm not going to get into the morality implications of insurance fraud, but this is the kind of thing that makes protection policies expensive for the rest of us. Just something to think about.
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BBJohnnyT said:
I'm not going to get into the morality implications of insurance fraud, but this is the kind of thing that makes protection policies expensive for the rest of us. Just something to think about.
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Hes turning in the phone, so they are able to repair it and give it to the next person that breaks their phone. This saves us cost, because the other alternative is him reporting it lost and just keeping it.
You could always do the OTA then sbf 2.1. done brick. and you dont have to break anything, and now best buy and asurion will lower our insurance costs! jk

bad4u6669 said:
Hes turning in the phone, so they are able to repair it and give it to the next person that breaks their phone. This saves us cost, because the other alternative is him reporting it lost and just keeping it.
You could always do the OTA then sbf 2.1. done brick. and you dont have to break anything, and now best buy and asurion will lower our insurance costs! jk
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I was just thinking about using the 2.1 SBF. I think I will go that route. They should just give me a new DX, no?

bad4u6669 said:
This saves us cost, because the other alternative is him reporting it lost and just keeping it.
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No, the alternative is to just live with his scratched up phone. Any other "alternative" which gets him a new phone on the policy's dime (including reporting it lost), is a crime.
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BBJohnnyT said:
No, the alternative is to just live with his scratched up phone. Any other "alternative" which gets him a new phone on the policy's dime (including reporting it lost), is a crime.
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I am paying for a product. Why the hell shouldnt I? I didn't ask for anyones opinion man. Would you want to live with a scratched up $600 phone? Especially if you take care of all of your stuff?

Breakthecycle2 said:
I was just thinking about using the 2.1 SBF. I think I will go that route. They should just give me a new DX, no?
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like it was said earlier, you might not get a new one. Doing the sbf will put you into a boot loop i believe, same thing thats been reported to happen to random people when doing the OTA...

Breakthecycle2 said:
Blow me dude..immature I know. BUt seriously. I am paying for a product. Why the hell shouldnt I? I didn't ask for anyones opinion man.
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yes you did, in your first post! lol
yeah, its being shady. But so is rooting. Your breaching contract, just to remove bloat ware. Wireless tether for root users is also "stealing". List goes on and on. But thats why were here.
Forums arent the place for moral, political, or religious debate. Not trying to be mean, just keepin it real.
and if/when you get a replacement, may i recommend a screen protector....

Maaaaan all you have to do is say the on screen keyboard doesn't work its a software issue it only works when it wants to. Just remember The customer is ALWAYS right...I did it over the phone threatned to cancle my service and 2 days later new phone that was the droid 1 though. Id still take a fat **** on it though just so you can say you did it for conversation sakes.
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Need to purposely permanently brick phone...

So... my girlfriend decided to spill water on my Droid 2 and thank god It did not have a battery in. I let it dry for a couple days and everything works perfectly fine but it seems that some liquid seeped into the glass screen and when it dried it left blotches that are covering the screen and annoying.
What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?

Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.

You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.

1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.

NiceGuysFinishLast said:
You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.
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Your might be right damn. Guess I should change my name from komputer freek so it does not match my bill when I call them...Wait. They won't know it's me.
timur525 said:
1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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Phone still works perfectly fine. Just a blotched screen. Touch screen is 100 percent effective and nothing else is wrong. A cosmetic issue. Your right, hmm paying full retail for a phone does make me cheap.
orkillakilla said:
What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.
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Installing rom's voids your wArranty too huh? But anyway, never got to the dot that shows water damage.
kwheel596 said:
Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.
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So when people brick there phones and send it back like the countless topics have told them on this forum, where is this outlash calling fraud?

did you not have insurance on it?

botnryan said:
did you not have insurance on it?
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In 10 years of owning a cell phone I have never lost, broken or spilled anything on it. So in my case, insurance for the most part would have been a waste. Also, insurance, unless it covers loss, is a fraud within itself.
My friends have never purchased insurance and have just strolled into the stores (VZW) and exchanged for a refurbished make.
But, yes, I should have gotten insurance.
Also, to the people who are claiming fraud, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
This is for all other purpose a phone modding/hacking forum. For god sakes there are stickies saying how to activate wireless tether for free.
Now to the butthurt people above me, I sure hope you are not using any of those patches or tether apps because "THAT IS FRAUD".
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orkillakilla said:
Try using the wireless tether for root users on the market
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Illegal. You should pay VZW to provide you with the 3G hotspot tether app or wifi tethering. But yet you are telling people to use the free one, huh?
kwheel596 said:
According to some things that I have read, your Droid 1 needs to be running Cyanogenmod 6 in order for it to pick up Ad Hoc networks, which is what your Droid 2 puts out. If it is running that then everything I have read points to yes, you can tether the Droid 1 to the Droid 2.
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Hmmm, so when you posted that in another topic, to the original poster, there was no problem to you, with him getting free wifi from his phone without paying?

I don't see why you're trying to defend yourself, what you're doing is commiting fraud, regardless of what you do you will be caught because of the cosmetic issue, now stop coming through the forum acting all high and mighty when you're doing something illegal, we don't want your kind here.
Oh, and voiding your warranty is not the same as commiting fraud, ones illegal, one isnt, now gtfo
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Have you tried a hammer?
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Try getting a replacement. See how u get charged. Then u too can see the light flashing bright yellow to use caution when leaving ur phone in anyplace where liquid may come in contact with it.
Be glad it still works...

Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks

orkillakilla said:
Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks
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OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".

komputerfreek said:
OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".
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Yes well that's interesting logic. Anyways, I'm not going to waste my time here. Good luck with your fraud.
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Stop talking about the people who root their phones and void their warranty that is bad yes, but completely software related. Has nothing to do with the appearence or the general ability of the phone to do all its tasks. As someone said above be glad it is not broken and live with it. Its your own fault it got "ruined".
Also, the market is run by google not verizon so anything posted their is out of Verizons hands. Still illegal and not saying its right but it is much more out of verizons hands.
And to answer your question there is no way to brick your phone to the point of it not working without Verizon noticing. Deal with it.

This thread is out of hand. Stop flaming. This topic probably doesn't break the forum rules, so if you think it's of questionable ethic, don't post, or report it and let the forum mod make the call.
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Speaking of" unlimited data", didn't that turn out to be a lie?
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I'm running stock jf6. Nothing illegal about that. Get on 4chan.
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Voiding Warranty and Fraud
There's nothing illegal or fraudulent about rooting your phone in and of itself, all it does is void the warranty. However, if someone was going to root their phone, then unroot it and send it back to the manufacturer under the warranty, THAT would technically be fraud, but that's completely irrelevant in this case.
Why do you even need to brick it anyway? The spots on your screen seem like enough of a reason to try and get a replacement.
What you tell them of how it actually happened is all on you though.

komputerfreek said:
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What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?
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What this forum needs is a wall of shame thread for posts like these.
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[UPDATED: 5/10/12] Sprint's Policy on Handling Rooted Devices

Here is the official document outlining their methods and procedures for handling devices with suspicion of root.

oo reary ??

so basically it's a "please don't root, but if you do...umm...well please don't"?

Seems pretty inoffensive to me. But the stuff about "schoolmarming" a rooter is ridiculous. I'd like to believe that anyone smart enough to find out about and root doesn't need a talking-to. I also doubt that rooted customers take up much of a support center's time overall. Of course, Sprint employees including Korey AKA WDM may say something else about that.

DroidApprentice said:
Seems pretty inoffensive to me. But the stuff about "schoolmarming" a rooter is ridiculous. I'd like to believe that anyone smart enough to find out about and root doesn't need a talking-to. I also doubt that rooted customers take up much of a support center's time overall. Of course, Sprint employees including Korey AKA WDM may say something else about that.
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well, they don't want you to root for obvious reasons... tethering probably being the biggest one. Plus having to replaced bricked phones would be another. I can see their perspective... and instantly disregard it

Lol
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.

This is funny
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Appreciate the info but this does not seem to cover what it means if they open a ticket and note that the device is suspected of root. Now with this suspect of root does this then give them an out on replacing or repairing?
Again this is all coming from my experience of my local and only place to get service, threatening to blacklist my phone if he "suspected" root.
Here is the Emeryville, CA store number (510) 596-0930 Give them a call and ask if you can bring in your phone for repair if you have root. I bet you will get a "no"

CrippleB said:
Appreciate the info but this does not seem to cover what it means if they open a ticket and note that the device is suspected of root. Now with this suspect of root does this then give them an out on replacing or repairing?
Again this is all coming from my experience of my local and only place to get service, threatening to blacklist my phone if he "suspected" root.
Here is the Emeryville, CA store number (510) 596-0930 Give them a call and ask if you can bring in your phone for repair if you have root. I bet you will get a "no"
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Print this pdf out and show it to them. Tell them it came from ISC in the "Service and Repair" section. If they ask how you got it, tell them it doesn't matter and that it is your job to know these things.
Yes it is noted that your phone is rooted, but like it says if there is an issue with a phone that cannot be fixed that will Advance Exchange it. No matter what. Trust me. If you have a problem just PM me and then I'll call.

Thanks for the info. The local reseller he wouldn't touch mine when she saw it was rooted. Mind you I took it in for the slider being loose and first thing she did was scroll through my apps and look for super user, then promptly showed me the door.
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I wouldn't even walk into a Sprint store without having first used ODIN to get back to 100% stock. I don't want to give any Sprint tech/rep an excuse to play the blame game with my device/account.

nikon120 said:
I wouldn't even walk into a Sprint store without having first used ODIN to get back to 100% stock. I don't want to give any Sprint tech/rep an excuse to play the blame game with my device/account.
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For sure. My display went out and managed to Odin blind through download mode before going in for service.

tenaciousj said:
Thanks for the info. The local reseller he wouldn't touch mine when she saw it was rooted. Mind you I took it in for the slider being loose and first thing she did was scroll through my apps and look for super user, then promptly showed me the door.
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Who in their right mind would bring back a rooted phone expecting it to be covered/serviced. One with a working display for that matter.

You people are absolutely ridiculous.
I've been telling you all this for weeks now, and now korey posts one of the documents I was referring to, and you STILL choose to not only waste your time by going to stock, but making it harder for us to replicate and solve issues by not handing us the phone in the original environment when you found the issue. That can make it very hard at times to properly triage and repair a phone; think of it like forensics, a crime scene is only properly diagnosed when NOTHING IS TOUCHED.
So please, save me the frustration, and simply bring this doc in with you. And if they give you a hard time, tell them to look up the OTHER doc, the one that outlines which tier rooted phones fall in to (tier 2, btw, which dictates a $35 charge if you don't have TEP and free if you do. Which, hey, guess what, is the same ****ing tier as a nonrooted phone! Who would've thunk it!)
And to whoever says educating a customer is unneccessary because obviously they're smart enough blah blah blah...you're ignorant. Very very ignorant. Because no, I didn't get that customer that came in no less than SIX times with a bricked epic from just ATTEMPTING to root, actually ROOTED it for him, and flashed godamn srf, and yet still returned A SEVENTH ****ING TIME with a bricked epic. No, that definitely didn't happen. No way. There's just no way freaking way somebody who is interested in "hacking" their phone is actually an idiot. Nope.
Ridiculous
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squshy 7 said:
You people are absolutely ridiculous. "Oh! Well now that whosdaman said it!..." But that still isn't stopping you from being ignorant.
I've been telling you all this for weeks now, and now korey posts one of the documents I was referring to, and you STILL choose to not only waste your time by going to stock, but making it harder for us to replicate and solve issues by not handing us the phone in the original environment when you found the issue. That can make it very hard at times to properly triage and repair a phone; think of it like forensics, a crime scene is only properly diagnosed when NOTHING IS TOUCHED.
So please, save me the frustration, and simply bring this doc in with you. And if they give you a hard time, tell them to look up the OTHER doc, the one that outlines which tier rooted phones fall in to (tier 2, btw, which dictates a $35 charge if you don't have TEP and free if you do. Which, hey, guess what, is the same ****ing tier as a nonrooted phone! Who would've thunk it!)
And to whoever says educating a customer is unneccessary because obviously they're smart enough blah blah blah...you're ignorant. Very very ignorant. Because no, I didn't get that customer that came in no less than SIX times with a bricked epic from just ATTEMPTING to root, actually ROOTED it for him, and flashed godamn srf, and yet still returned A SEVENTH ****ING TIME with a bricked epic. No, that definitely didn't happen. No way. There's just no way freaking way somebody who is interested in "hacking" their phone is actually an idiot. Nope.
Ridiculous
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Nice post.
Also .... am i the only one cracking up everytime i see one of those
"Siemens" ad on xda ?

tenaciousj said:
Thanks for the info. The local reseller he wouldn't touch mine when she saw it was rooted. Mind you I took it in for the slider being loose and first thing she did was scroll through my apps and look for super user, then promptly showed me the door.
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My slider is loose, its extremely annoying is this anything fixable by them?
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ac16313 said:
My slider is loose, its extremely annoying is this anything fixable by them?
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If they have harvested parts, yes
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And allow me to reiterate, any trouble you get for a rooted device IN NO WAY IS A REFLECTION OF SPRINT. It is a reflection of the employee, and their laziness/ignorance/misconceptions. Fight them, because they are wrong.
Also, I cannot speak for 3rd party stores (your typical mall retailers). Not only do they sometimes operate under *slightly* different rules that I'm not privy to, but some of them frequently operate poorly and intentionally misguide you.
A classic and shockingly common example is sending us customers with liquid damage, telling them that we'll replace a liquid damaged phone for free if they complain enough.
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squshy 7 said:
If they have harvested parts, yes
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Would they charge? If so how much? I'm not on TEP.
Thanks.
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ac16313 said:
Would they charge? If so how much? I'm not on TEP.
Thanks.
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$35, but it is open enrollment this month so you can get tep added
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Ridiculous Policing.

So it's odd to me how phone forums get locked and policed based on certain policies yet are totally contradicted in themselves.
For example, insurance fraud or any kind of proposed dishonesty is frowned upon and closed. Yet tutorials on how to root and unroot (which is mainly done to return a phone or for advanced in house tecnical assistance) is considered ok.
Yes, I'm rooted. And, yes I'm running a custom rom and love the freedom to do so. But to unroot and hide the fact that I was originally rooted for purposes of tecnical support or phone replacement purposes poses the same illegitimacy as the aformentioned example. Couldn't one argue that anything can be done for "development sake."
Now I haven't actually had the need to unroot (knock on wood) and am greatful to know how to do so. But, how is this different from all the other so called immoral threads.
No, I'm not flaming, nor am I affliated with any posters on here in anyway. I just think it's ridiculous that some posts are considered some kind of breech of morality that seem to lie on the same grounds as those that aren't.
P.S. I own my phone legitimately.
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There was a court case against Apple for jailbrwaking the iJoke phones. The person won against Apple and the courts said the only way they could deny warranty on any phone was if Apple gave them away for free, but since they make customers pay for the phone, it is the customers property to do as they wanted and that jailbreaking in itself could not void warranty.
Search online, it is all there.
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Insurance fraud is deliberately breaking your phone in order to get a new free replacement. This is a criminal offence.
Rooting/unrooting is not a criminal offence.
Spot the difference?

I do and as mentioned am not affliated with any of that illegal activity as some might be.
But to me it's all illegal.
The intent is still the same. Just my opinion. The phone is being modified in a way not intended by the manufacturer.
Not looking to get banned as I haven't been to date.
I enjoy the benefits of the devs on here.
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aerajan said:
I do and as mentioned am not affliated with any of that illegal activity as some might be.
But to me it's all illegal.
The intent is still the same. Just my opinion. The phone is being modified in a way not intended by the manufacturer.
Not looking to get banned as I haven't been to date.
I enjoy the benefits of the devs on here.
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You don't even have to unroot to have your phone fixed at sprint. People do it just in case. And I don't care how HTC wanted me to use this phone. I paid 500$ for this and I have every right to do what I want with it.
Having trouble with AOSP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1295702

Rooting is not illegal.
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Dear Mr scotsman I'm not the one who broke the phone! I have the phone as payment for rooting his new phone (I offered ten bucks for it but he said just keep it) I just wanted to know if it could be used as a phone. Maybe you should have read what I wrote instead of accusing me of insurance fraud. Now my friend who dropped the phone you can accuse of many things and he would be guilty of most of them. If you had a problem with the post you could have first answered my question. then let me know i couldn't talk about fixing broken phones before shutting the first one down so I wouldn't have had to start a second one. Thanks to those people that did answer my question i appreciate it
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L_B_J_1 said:
Dear Mr scotsman I'm not the one who broke the phone! I have the phone as payment for rooting his new phone (I offered ten bucks for it but he said just keep it) I just wanted to know if it could be used as a phone. Maybe you should have read what I wrote instead of accusing me of insurance fraud. Now my friend who dropped the phone you can accuse of many things and he would be guilty of most of them. If you had a problem with the post you could have first answered my question. then let me know i couldn't talk about fixing broken phones before shutting the first one down so I wouldn't have had to start a second one. Thanks to those people that did answer my question i appreciate it
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I suggest you re-read my posts. I never accused anyone of insurance fraud.
I said 'DISCUSSION OF INSURANCE FRAUD" is not allowed. See the difference?
EDIT: In fact, let me quote my exact posts, to make it clear:
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Discussion of insurance fraud isn't allowed here.
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the_scotsman said:
I closed the last one for a reason. And yet you start another one?
NO DISCUSSION ABOUT FRAUD, OR QUESTIONS ABOUT FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINED/DAMAGED PHONES.
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We weren't discussing insurance fraud!!! READ THE POST
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All I wanted to know is if it could be used as a phone again
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aerajan said:
But to unroot and hide the fact that I was originally rooted for purposes of tecnical support or phone replacement purposes poses the same illegitimacy as the aformentioned example.
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I have my EVO rooted. Once in the past I unrooted it to bring it to the store. I did absolutely not do anything immoral, unethical or illegal. The USB port stopped charging and actually pulled partially out when I unplugged the phone. There is a known problem with the EVO that this can happen so the phone is covered under the manufacturers warranty. I did not want my account flagged for rooting so I unrooted it before I brought it in for service. The very first thing they did when I walked in the store was unlock my phone, and asked if the phone was rooted (I think they asked because it looked different- I use launcher pro). There is no way that the USB port problem was caused by rooting. Is anything I did illegitimate? No. I only did it to avoid problems in the future. If you brick the phone you can not unroot for a replacement, you would have to claim it was damaged in another way, which would be fraud. The only unethical unroot I have seen people doing is losing their RSA keys and unrooting then claiming 4g just stopped working, but those threads are often flamed by people that think this is wrong.

All you had to do is say no it can't. I say thank you and I move on, its that easy. Good day sir
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L_B_J_1 said:
All I wanted to know is if it could be used as a phone again
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And that is my point. We don't allow discussion of phones that have been obtained/replaced by means of insurance fraud. I know you are just asking a question, but it's a question that is about a phone that was replaced with a new one by a fraudulent insurance claim.
L_B_J_1 said:
All you had to do is say no it can't. I say thank you and I move on, its that easy. Good day sir
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I don't know the answer...though I could hazard a guess.
Anyway, end of discussion.

That's all I was looking for... I wish you would have put that in my first post. But thanks for the clarification
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WOW, I love threads like this. Someone gets their feelings hurt and wants to argue with a moderator..hahaha
Word of advice to the OP, you're not going to win this one! Scotsman has the rules on his side and he holds all the cards...just saying!
On the other hand, Scotsman I see you haven't sold that HD2 on eBay like you said you were going to do....has the price come down on it or are you firm on 300?

aerajan said:
Yes, I'm rooted. And, yes I'm running a custom rom...
and love the freedom to do so. But to unroot and hide the fact that I was originally rooted for purposes of tecnical support or phone replacement purposes poses the same illegitimacy as the aformentioned example.
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It is not about hiding the fact it was rooted, it is about re-installing the stock ROM so Sprint repair can do a proper diagnosis. I'm sure step one of the troubleshooting manual says something like:
1. Is the phone software correct and up to date?
Which is why Sprint doesn't care that you are S-OFF, and why they have to install the latest version of the ROM if not already installed.
KJ

It could soon be illegal to root and mod any device!

Subject says it all... let me know what you think!
http://s4gru.spruz.com/pt/Will-it-s...ilbreak-or-MOD-your-personal-devices/blog.htm
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The funny thing is that is Apple is the one crying about it. I don't think it will affect us since Google is open source. And with the nexus line these phones are considered" developer phones" so I don't think it will affect the Android community.
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Screw apple. Now that steve jobs is gone, I hope they crumble as a company. He was the power source that brought them such big business and now they're crying about every little thing android does. Waaa waa cry us a river. Oh, and its illegal to do a lot of things. We'll keep doing them if it makes us feel good.
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..

It's useless to try and legally ban people from customizing the tech they own. If governments/corporations try, they'll fail and only harm themselves.

That would have to reverse the supreme court ruling that once purchased we can do what we want with our device. This was a suit for the PS3. Sony still had the right to deny services but could do no legal action on modded PS3s. The same will stand for our phones. The worst that could happen is a clause is added to our contracts giving the carrier the right to refuse service to rooted devices.

I Hope your wrong about the phone service
Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.

I really don't think it will effect us I been hacking before the bill passed an I will b if I don't get exstented, nothing changed really I don't think. I'm more worried about sopa
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Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
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Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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kennyglass123 said:
Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Assuming you can do it all on your own and don't require any outside information or collaboration then technically nobody will stop you or likely even know. However if this decision does expire and it becomes a potential crime then you will see a lot less innovation.

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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted. I mean, think of all the 40+ year olds that have android phones and hardly know how to use a touch screen, let alone anything about root. It may appear that way considering we're on this forum together or the friends you have, but I assure you, that number is probably much, much closer to 5-10% if that. Even that's a stretch. Doesn't android have like 300,000 activations per day going or something like that? There is no way half those people are rooting their phones.
Back on topic, the carrier can certainly check to see what's running on your phone as kenny (I think) posted previously. Also as stated above, I don't think this is anything to worry about as there has already been a precendent set about making it illegal. Carriers denying service to your handset knowing it's rooted is another topic though.

See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?

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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted.
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I fully agree. While all 4 of my Android phones are rooted, over the couple dozen people I know that have Androids, only 1 other person has rooted their phone.

Well this sucks..... if of course it passes anyways
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See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
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Its sad how true this is. Before apple would just do their own thing, creating their products like the Ipod, not caring about what other MP3 devises may be out there. They just made it better. Now they get upset that the idea they stole has been modified and used by google... give me a F* break. end rant

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Your comment makes sense none.
There's nothing to pass. This is about an existing law/exemption permitting smartphone hacking to expire.
Personally, I could care less. Samsung isn't going to sue us (though Sprint could), and Samsung already has open bootloaders.
The folks that should be worried are iPhone hackers. Apple will sue them into oblivion, and shoot themselves in the process.

I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.

Fantastic.Ergo said:
I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
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Agree 100%! Once you buy a device it is yours to do what you please with it! If you want to risk bricking it or voiding the warranty, that should be your prerogative and nobody should be able to tell you otherwise! No matter if its a windows phone, iphone, or android you should be able to do as you please once you own the device...
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if i can buy a phone and smash it to the ground into a million little pieces just because, with no repercussion, i should be able to mod the software with out any problems as well.