Im running an unlocked i9000 in Australia using Telstra's network which is 850MHz. After flashing some roms it was only using 2100 and even using the settings at the start of this forum wouldn't fix it (below)
1. on the key pad, type *#*#197328640#*#*
2. Select [1] Debug Screen
3. Select [8] Phone control
4. Select [7] Network control
5. Select [2] and selection
6. Select [2] WCDMA band []
7. Select [6] WCDMA 850
This seems to point to this being a software not hardware issue.
After lots of messing around i flashed a Samsung i897 Captivate ROM from AT&T which of course didnt boot then flashed another i9000 ROM minus the modem and now its all good. I set the phone to 850 only and had a look at basic info to confirm.
Here are the steps:
Flash your phone with Odin1.3 and I897UCJF7 found at samfirmware(.)com
boot phone (will show AT&T logo but wont boot)
Flash desired ROM WITHOUT modem part (also left out the csc part) im running CSC-I9000OXEJG1 although I dont think it makes any difference.
1. on the key pad, type *#*#197328640#*#*
2. Select [1] Debug Screen
3. Select [8] Phone control
4. Select [7] Network control
5. Select [2] band selection
6. Select [4] combi bands
7. Select [8] WCDMA 850
8. Hit the menu key and select back
9. Repeat step 8
6. Select [2] WCDMA band []
7. Select [6] WCDMA 850
8. Hit home key
on the debug menu you can select basic info and it will tell you if it has worked. Although 850 is the best band here and my phone defaults to it if your in a 2100/850 area you may need to test it in a 850 only area.
Just out of curiosity, which Galaxy S variant are you using? AFAIK the one sold by Optus doesn’t support 850Mhz ?? And Telstra has not yet released their Galaxy S
I am interested too, same situation, you sure it is connecting at 850Mhz 3g ?
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Nevermind.
Anyone else tried this?
I'm on stock ROM and although I've rooted I've never flashed anything yet so not confident without a step by step.
This was a Telstra one so with the default firmware it worked on Telstra but as soon as i flashed anything else it stopped working and presented exactly the same symptoms as a Europe version (which is what our rep said we had). I have tried every other combination of firmware and settings suggested and this is the only one that works. I'm technically minded so if somebody wants to post a how to on dumping a Telstra ROM I work for them and can get you guys the firmware.
waffles666 said:
This was a Telstra one so with the default firmware it worked on Telstra but as soon as i flashed anything else it stopped working and presented exactly the same symptoms as a Europe version (which is what our rep said we had). I have tried every other combination of firmware and settings suggested and this is the only one that works. I'm technically minded so if somebody wants to post a how to on dumping a Telstra ROM I work for them and can get you guys the firmware.
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So your i9000 from Telstra already has 850mhz support?
When I first read your post, I thought you had an international i9000 and somehow magically made it work on 850mhz 3g.
I'm totally confused.. are you folks saying that the Galaxy S has CDMA capability as well as 3g and HSPA??
One would think that would a huge feature which would have for sure been exploited by now.
opensourcefan said:
I'm totally confused.. are you folks saying that the Galaxy S has CDMA capability as well as 3g and HSPA??
One would think that would a huge feature which would have for sure been exploited by now.
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Exactly my thoughts, but I have an open mind.
Would be nice if it worked, so I will certainly follow this thread.
I have been thinking of flashing the Bell modem to my Galaxy S to see
if I can improve my AT&T signal at my home, as it is bad.
Other areas, it is fine and so probably I have little chance of improving it,
but think I will try.
With the HD2, I was able to improve my AT&T signal by changing the Radio.
I don't get 3G, but don't care about that, since WiFi is readily available.
opensourcefan said:
I'm totally confused.. are you folks saying that the Galaxy S has CDMA capability as well as 3g and HSPA??
One would think that would a huge feature which would have for sure been exploited by now.
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WCDMA is what UMTS/HSPA/HSDPA is called. It is not your run of the mill CDMA.
hang on im confused... you have a phone that isnt released yet, so you must work for telstra or know someone from telstra that was stupid enough to break the NDAs between samsung and telstra and give you their unreleased phone... yet you dont have access to the telstra rom and youre offering to reverse engineer the telstra rom on this forum?
youre treading on dangerous ground my friend. corporate security always finds out be warned.
The Phone has been out on Telstra as of today...and could be bought outside of a plan through telstra stores since friday.
really?
telstra didnt advertise that one very well... oh well their loss
im gonna have to go get me one of those. the hardware is different though. international i9000s dont have a 850 radio whereas Telstras one does. so its getting other peoples hopes up saying that 850 can be enabled when it cant be.
I was going to get one until i found out the price Telstra is selling it for.
But yeah this thread certainly got my hopes up
yeah youre better off buying a vibrant from the USA or Canada and flashing it with a telstra rom. save yourself $300.
Yes I work for Telstra had the phone for a week now, gotta have some perks yeh? The price of the phone outright it $879 as far as I know. My point is when I flash with a Europe ROM and try to enable 850 it seems enabled but doesn't work which is what people have been getting so far. When I flash the radio of a phone designed to work on an 850 phone it does work. Someone test it and find out take you 10 min to test it. If it doesn't work then that blows but if it does I know lots of people here would want to do this. PM me if the instructions are not clear.
kanemari said:
yeah youre better off buying a vibrant from the USA or Canada and flashing it with a telstra rom. save yourself $300.
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Do not buy the US Vibrant. Only the Canadian one is an I9000 with the 850 band.
Electroz said:
WCDMA is what UMTS/HSPA/HSDPA is called. It is not your run of the mill CDMA.
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Okay, copy that. Makes more sense, but now what is all this about then? Me being on the Bell using the Bell I9000m am I missing a feature, is there something I can enable to make my network strength better. Those of us on Bell or Telus can attest that not having 2g sucks. The folks on Rogers get much better penetration of signal into buildings and such. Sure would be nice to fix that if possible but I have a feeling that I'm barking up the wrong tree...
waffles666 said:
Yes I work for Telstra had the phone for a week now, gotta have some perks yeh? The price of the phone outright it $879 as far as I know. My point is when I flash with a Europe ROM and try to enable 850 it seems enabled but doesn't work which is what people have been getting so far. When I flash the radio of a phone designed to work on an 850 phone it does work. Someone test it and find out take you 10 min to test it. If it doesn't work then that blows but if it does I know lots of people here would want to do this. PM me if the instructions are not clear.
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I'm at work, so I can't test it right now.
While it would be cool if it does work (so I can switch back to NextG from Vodafone), I don't hold much hope at all of it working.
Bare in mind that a Telstra SIM does work in the Galaxy S, just not on 850mhz. I had to use my Telstra sim for the first few days before switching to Voda to make use of the 3G network. The Telstra sim only connects at old-school GSM speeds.
If nobody else tests it in the meantime, I'll try to give it a crack during the week. But I work 12 hour shifts, so may not have time.
Electroz said:
Do not buy the US Vibrant. Only the Canadian one is an I9000 with the 850 band.
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^^ this. The bell i9000m is really an i9000 (international version). front facing camera and all.
I flashed an international rom (jm5) onto my Bell Vibrant - and was able to enable the 850mhz radio. With a little fiddling (a.k.a the steps in first post, just enable it in combi band first, then in wcdma menu), and making sure the 'wcdma only' setting was on.
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Hey guys noob at this so dont hate i wanted to know if it is possible to swap antennae hardware from a captivate to a I9000 i got the i9000 and i am on at&t stupid thing doesnt give me 3G like my beautiful nexus wanted to know if it was possible or not.
Thanks
others more knowledgeable will step in, but don't believe it's antenna related as it is freq band related
if the radio chip in the i9000 isn't there for the AT&T bands (believe they're 850 & 1900 but i could be off there)
search this and the captivate forum for similiar topics - there was a thread about someone activating the AT&T freqs on a Tmobile Vibrant - but don't think they were able to activate them on an i9000 phone
there's a code you punch into the dial pad and it brings up the appropriate menu
there's some info re 3G freq bands at about the middle of the page at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735461&highlight=unlock&page=3
here's the one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735461&highlight=unlock&page=9
and in particular, the below info copied from the above thread
"Well lookie here.
On the phone's management screen, you can actually enable the 850mhz band also. This also confirms what UMTSbands are included on the device.
850
1700
1900
2100
That's in addition to the normal quadband GSM that's already available.
First pic is before I enabled 850, second pic is after that.
Based on this thread in the I9000/GalaxyS forum.
How to do it:
1. on the key pad, type *#*#197328640#*#*
2. Select [1] Debug Screen
3. Select [8] Phone control
4. Select [7] Network control
5. Select [2] Network Selection
6. Select [4] Combi Bands []
7. Select [8] WCDMA 850 (FDD V)[]
8. Press Menu Button; Select "Back" to take you to band selection screen.
9. Select [2] WCDMA band []
there is another thread, where someone tried a i9000 and couldn't get 3G on AT&T, if i recall correctly - but search the captivate forum for that one
that wasn't the thread i was referring to - if i see it, i'll post it as well"
I know i have been going crazy looking for it cause i would just rather return the device and try to see if someone would help me get one from Bell wireless and have it unlocked i really want the front facing camera and what sucks is i work for att lol
ya i dont understand some the things samsung did no video calling :S the verizion sgs im pretty sure has flash as well, hope u find out what ur looking for
Man if the galaxy s which is sold on bell wireless canbe bought i will trade the one that i have for that it sucks cause i bought mine unlocked and everything just for it not to work on the predominant 3g band on att
sell the UK i9000 and get the Bell i9000M
i posted a message a few days back asking if anyone wanted to get Bell i9000M shipped to USA
Oh u are are u looking to trade or just looking to sell it?
not selling & not trading either
just a friendly service for our neighbours down south
i'm actually trying to get rid of my i9000 Euro version as well
i got it before i found out Bell was releasing the i9000M
oh sweet dude if you could help me out i would soo soo soo appreciate it now i just have to sell my euro version now lol but how ?
you can always go via ebay, kijiji, your local newspapers, forums, etc.
at least that's my plan
Bobler420 said:
ya i dont understand some the things samsung did no video calling :S the verizion sgs im pretty sure has flash as well, hope u find out what ur looking for
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You don't understand them bending to a carrier's will in order to get on the top 6 carriers in the U.S.? This was a Verizon decision/negotiated compromise, not something Samsung did to save a few bucks.
Ok who's got the trick to make the phone report what radio frequencies it can do? I have a bunch of Android codes that make phones do certain things, but none of them work on the streak.
I am trying to find out what my device is capable of since there are too many threads out there that say it can and it can't... i.e. hspa....
anyone? Beuhler? Beuhler?
No idea on the codes mate, sorry.
But if you were asking if it does Hsdpa.. I can confirm it does.
Apologies if I misread ur question tho
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Dell Streak - Froyo 2.2 - Optus® Australia
have you a look in your system/build.prop
also do you have EMlist enabled? Engineering Mode?
try this one *#4636#*#* (*#INFO#*#*)
definetly does HSPA , mine is set at the highest settings as far as I know,
best I've seen so far was wabout 2.5Mbps download on ATT
havent checked wi-fi yet.
Devil Aus said:
No idea on the codes mate, sorry.
But if you were asking if it does Hsdpa.. I can confirm it does.
Apologies if I misread ur question tho
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No apology needed... I just need to know how!
chrisrotolo said:
have you a look in your system/build.prop
also do you have EMlist enabled? Engineering Mode?
try this one *#4636#*#* (*#INFO#*#*)
definetly does HSPA , mine is set at the highest settings as far as I know,
best I've seen so far was wabout 2.5Mbps download on ATT
havent checked wi-fi yet.
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Ok that code worked, and in phone info section, I am currently set to GSM auto (PRL). You're on ATT... the question is about whether or not the device will do HSPA on Tmobile's network. Currently I only get EDGE.
FYI the correct code turned out to be *#*#4636#*#*
Lord60 said:
Ok that code worked, and in phone info section, I am currently set to GSM auto (PRL). You're on ATT... the question is about whether or not the device will do HSPA on Tmobile's network. Currently I only get EDGE.
FYI the correct code turned out to be *#*#4636#*#*
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Hey Lord60,
Are you in US? If Yes, I would be also interested in getting Streak to work on TMo-US's HSPA network (offcourse if hardware supports it). I think (not 100% sure) EMlist has a option to see all UMTS supported by phone. May be way to even select/set them.
If you find any info, please share it and I will do the same.
I've been asking Dell, if their new unlocked version will work on TMo-US's 3G network. And no one seems to know it.
I already have Streak but like in your case, only works on EDGE.
Thanks!
Im pretty sure it supports the Tmobile 3G band,
I think there may be a thread somewhere, I will check later and report anything I find.
chrisrotolo said:
Im pretty sure it supports the Tmobile 3G band,
I think there may be a thread somewhere, I will check later and report anything I find.
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That would be awesome if you find something which says how we change UMTS, if there is a way !!
Thank you chrisro
http://androidspin.com/2010/07/27/s...-bands-will-see-some-froyo-love-by-years-end/
first comment says it works for him... I know it could be fake.
but Streak is QuadBand,
you may need EMList and manually input select the band.
Im 99% sure you can do Tmobile 3G
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/dell-streak-5-gets-fcc-approval-in-t-mobile-version/
and from what else I find...
looks like the beta Tmobile versions supported 3G, and now only UK versions will support tmo 3G, and Dell "says" ATT locked versions dont have support for Tmo 3G.... I would say try an unlock code first, the radios should al be the same.. if you get tmo 2g, Im pretty sure they left the tmo 3g radio in there as well.
chrisrotolo said:
http://androidspin.com/2010/07/27/s...-bands-will-see-some-froyo-love-by-years-end/
first comment says it works for him... I know it could be fake.
but Streak is QuadBand,
you may need EMList and manually input select the band.
Im 99% sure you can do Tmobile 3G
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The Streak is quad band gsm. That's 2G speeds. TMo 3G speeds work on AWS 1700 band. There were only a handful of beta phones with those specs. If you're looking to flash a whole new Rom including the radio frequencies then I guess it's possible. There are some really talented people here. Dell already has FCC clearance for the AWS version but hasn't released it to the public yet, if ever.
chrisrotolo said:
and from what else I find...
looks like the beta Tmobile versions supported 3G, and now only UK versions will support tmo 3G, and Dell "says" ATT locked versions dont have support for Tmo 3G.... I would say try an unlock code first, the radios should al be the same.. if you get tmo 2g, Im pretty sure they left the tmo 3g radio in there as well.
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Hey chrisrotolo, I bought Streak back in September w/o AT&T contract and got it unlocked by calling AT&T.
When I put my TMo sim card, it only works on EDGE/2G. It never worked on 3G.
I've seen a screen shot of EMList which shows you and may be lets you select UMTS bands, but in Mr. Steve's 1.5.1, EMList is not included i believe.
When Dell recently announced Unlocked Streak (back in November), there were rumors that it might work on TMo-US 3G network. So far no one seems to know for sure.
So guess we are out of luck, as of yet!
Thank you for the reply though!
Streakr said:
The Streak is quad band gsm. That's 2G speeds. TMo 3G speeds work on AWS 1700 band. There were only a handful of beta phones with those specs. If you're looking to flash a whole new Rom including the radio frequencies then I guess it's possible. There are some really talented people here. Dell already has FCC clearance for the AWS version but hasn't released it to the public yet, if ever.
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Hey Streakr, I always thought that radio frequencies has to do with the hardware and not with ROM.
Now that you mentioned its controlled on the ROM side, I wonder how easy/difficult it is to support this on Mr. Steve's ROM.
May be Mr. Steve could answer it for us.
Thanks for the info though.
Yeah I am unable to get EMList on dJ_steve's 1.5.1, you could ask him to bake it in Im sure, but I can get some cell info stuff when selecting >shortcut>bettercut>all applications....
I would love to find a list of AT&T's (or T-Mobile's in your case) full list of USSD codes or MMI Codes ( eg.*1234# dialer codes), for network, service and diagnostic stuff. I am sure it would be very easy to screw something up with those codes as well.
maybe even some fastboot codes...
I found this link on gsmhosting, anyone know any more of these codes, you can enter from keypad on fastboot screen?
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f606/dell-streak-secret-codes-p-1113827/
I dont know if you can access any of the mobile networs through settings and manually configure it through APN or manual network operator.
cheers!
chrisrotolo said:
Yeah I am unable to get EMList on dJ_steve's 1.5.1, you could ask him to bake it in Im sure, but I can get some cell info stuff when selecting >shortcut>bettercut>all applications....
I would love to find a list of AT&T's (or T-Mobile's in your case) full list of USSD codes or MMI Codes ( eg.*1234# dialer codes), for network, service and diagnostic stuff. I am sure it would be very easy to screw something up with those codes as well.
maybe even some fastboot codes...
I found this link on gsmhosting, anyone know any more of these codes, you can enter from keypad on fastboot screen?
http:forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f606/dell-streak-secret-codes-p-1113827/
I dont know if you can access any of the mobile networs through settings and manually configure it through APN or manual network operator.
cheers!
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Thanks Chris. I sure will ask in community if any one knows abt EMlist. I am sure Mr. Steve has his hands full with more imp stuff to do.
Thanks again.
the.mister.d said:
Hey Streakr, I always thought that radio frequencies has to do with the hardware and not with ROM.
Now that you mentioned its controlled on the ROM side, I wonder how easy/difficult it is to support this on Mr. Steve's ROM.
May be Mr. Steve could answer it for us.
Thanks for the info though.
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From what I have been told the radio frequencies are set by the manufacturers. The hardware is capable of doing any of the operators frequencies but how each is set I'm not sure of. I have heard of people who have claimed to have changed a EU version phone to a US version phone including the carrier settings. This is way behold me.
any new updates on this?
im interested to see whats new
Hey guys
I have one of the Telstra Galaxy Tabs, and basically want to work a few things out with it.
First off I gather, with mention of all the carrier-specific or gsm/CDMA Specific ROMs, this has something to do with a radio or some such being included?
The Telstra "Next G" Network, which the Tab is used on, is basically 3g on 850mhz. Which of the types would this come under?
I have "Some" experience with flashing/ROMs/etc, namely on my Desire, so I am no expert by any means (Defo wanting to learn, and have learnt a lot from here so far ) but I do have a small amount of experience.
Thanks guys.
So, the community round here will answer questions for people that have obviously not bothered to search and ask the same stupid crap over and over and over, yet someone who has done a LOT of research, and is legitimately confused over a terminology issue (because technically it ISNT GSM or CDMA if you learn how the networks actually work) and just wants a simple answer to a simple question, just gets totally ignored?
Great to see guys, Great to see.
850 would be like att
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GSM radio hardware is largely irrelevant, the hardware does the heavy lifting, the firmware doesn't care that it is, as long as it supports the right protocols.
Telstra uses a GSM/HSDPA/WCDMA network. In most cases, this is the case if your device has a SIM card.
The Tab sold here is essentially the standard UK version. If Telstra has an 850/2100Mhz HSDPA version then that could potentially be different. If you can root it using SuperOneClick, then run a complete firmware backup and try updating with another GSM firmware (e.g. RotoHammers JME) and see how you go. Before doing so, check that the device is unlocked, check if it can be rooted, determine the existing firmware/modem versions and the CSC version. It may be a custom firmware, it may not.
Your "LOT of research" was obviously fairly deficient if it hadn't ruled out Telstra using a CDMA network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra
corodius said:
Hey guys
I have one of the Telstra Galaxy Tabs, and basically want to work a few things out with it.
First off I gather, with mention of all the carrier-specific or gsm/CDMA Specific ROMs, this has something to do with a radio or some such being included?
The Telstra "Next G" Network, which the Tab is used on, is basically 3g on 850mhz. Which of the types would this come under?
I have "Some" experience with flashing/ROMs/etc, namely on my Desire, so I am no expert by any means (Defo wanting to learn, and have learnt a lot from here so far ) but I do have a small amount of experience.
Thanks guys.
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Hey mate, i have a telstra tab, on original firmware (jj3 i think) i would only ever get 3g..
After flashing rotos jme + the phone.bin, i now get hspa most the time.
Rotos firmware works perfectly, but as always backup everything
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GSM radio hardware is largely irrelevant, the hardware does the heavy lifting, the firmware doesn't care that it is, as long as it supports the right protocols.
Telstra uses a GSM/HSDPA/WCDMA network. In most cases, this is the case if your device has a SIM card.
The Tab sold here is essentially the standard UK version. If Telstra has an 850/2100Mhz HSDPA version then that could potentially be different. If you can root it using SuperOneClick, then run a complete firmware backup and try updating with another GSM firmware (e.g. RotoHammers JME) and see how you go. Before doing so, check that the device is unlocked, check if it can be rooted, determine the existing firmware/modem versions and the CSC version. It may be a custom firmware, it may not.
Your "LOT of research" was obviously fairly deficient if it hadn't ruled out Telstra using a CDMA network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra
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Well, The network you are referencing is actually the "Telstra 3g" Network used only in the capital cities around here. The network my Tab is used on/made for is the "Next G" Network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_G is the specific network. As you can see, it is technically not GSM at all, it is UMTS, and actually replaced our old CDMA network. So, this is where my confusion was coming in. But, if I have this correct, it is used as a basic term, meaning GSM = Sim Card and CDMA = No Sim Card (like our old CDMA network, phone itself is coded to the number/network type thing, which to be honest I didn't realise still even existed) yeah?
Cheers for clearing that up
As for the freqs, if I do a *#2263# the 3 WCDMA bands that are starred are 850mhz 1900mhz and 2100mhz. The GSM Fallback shows GSM 850 GSM 900 DCS 1800 PCS 1900 all starred. (Yes I did realise this before, I explained why I was confused with the terms hehe) The main band I have to worry about really is 850mhz though, on the WCDMA side, as you would have seen from the link.
Well, the device can be rooted with Z4Root at least, that is what I have used to root the device. This is exactly what I intend to try, once I am sure I understand everything. Does not hurt to read and re-read until one is definately comfortable with the steps, and I like to understand what every part is that I am doing.
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Hey mate, i have a telstra tab, on original firmware (jj3 i think) i would only ever get 3g..
After flashing rotos jme + the phone.bin, i now get hspa most the time.
Rotos firmware works perfectly, but as always backup everything
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Just to be 100% sure, that is the one here? And you are on the Next G Network? (I assume so with the 850mhz band etc, I thought this would work, but doesn't hurt to be sure I am looking at the right one you are talking about hehe.)
I can confirm the original firmware is JJ3, with phone calling capabilities etc.
Of course, backups always come first, always.
Thank you heaps for the info.
Also, if there is any part of this device's firmware etc that would be helpful in any way to the devs, I would be happy to extract anything needed from a rotobackup or whatever. I won't be flashing it straight away, and definately not before a full backup anyway.
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HI mate, how did you go with the flash?
I'm thinking of doing this as well, but just want to see if anybody has noticed any difference (for the better that is).
I have n Australian telstra tab on the next g network, and flashing a rom was the best thing I ever did
swyped from a galaxy far far away...
Hey, not trying to hijack this thread, although I too just got a SGT for the wife from Optus this morning and playing around with it and keen to hack.
Mine came with the following
PDA : P1000XWJJ4
PHONE : P1000XXJID
CSC : P1000OPSJJ3
Build Time : 2010.10.16 20:35:06 KST
Changelist : 639474
Firmware 2.2
Kernel Version : 2.6.32.9
Keen to know what is the best rom for us here down under, i'm, off to root me SGT.
Cheers
Kosti
For the optus tab any euro rom will work i started with the modaco rom and kernal then moved to the overcome rom and kernal. Both ran prefectly just make a backup to be safe.
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snoopXR6 said:
For the optus tab any euro rom will work i started with the modaco rom and kernal then moved to the overcome rom and kernal. Both ran prefectly just make a backup to be safe.
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Thanks heaps!
I did try to root it, and used OneClick, when 1st time round it sort of worked, then I tried it again with the rageagainstcage option and busybox installed this time round.
Next is off to grab overcome rom, will try and do a backup but only have a 1G card atm
Again thanks and sorry to the OP for the hijack
PEACE
Kosti
Hi all,
Im thinking of buying this phone but from what i have read there isnt much difference between the Atrix and the Atrix 4g.
How will I be able to tell which is which? specs are almost the same.
Should add that I am buying used. Also, I am in the UK.
Look forward to your replies!
They are the same phone!
I'm also in the UK, really like my atrix, but coming from a modded android to a locked phone is a bit difficult...
streuli999 said:
They are the same phone!
I'm also in the UK, really like my atrix, but coming from a modded android to a locked phone is a bit difficult...
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your sure? i read somewhere that the first atrix has 5mp cam which has been upped to 8mp in the new version.
Maybe im mistaken.
Yes ive heard about Moto not playing nice with rooting!
It is the Atrix 4g and the Atrix 2. And the Atrix 4g has a 5 MP camera and the Atrix 2 has a 8 MP camera. The most noticeable thing I saw in the looks of the 2 phones was the Atrix 4g has the speaker on the back at the bottom and the Atrix 2 has the speaker on the front at the top.
blingmaster said:
It is the Atrix 4g and the Atrix 2. And the Atrix 4g has a 5 MP camera and the Atrix 2 has a 8 MP camera. The most noticeable thing I saw in the looks of the 2 phones was the Atrix 4g has the speaker on the back at the bottom and the Atrix 2 has the speaker on the front at the top.
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yeah that's right... looking at the specs on motorola website, seems that's the only difference!
cool, now i know what to look out for!!!
atrix(4g) is not a locked phone, is it? If you follow the guide, you can unlock the bootloader and flash different ROMs on it.
Another difference between atrix(4g) and atrix 2 is the fingerprint scanner. atrix 2 doesn't have it.
Since you are in the UK you will probably want the "Motorola Atrix" since it has the 900MHz UMTS band needed for some UK carriers like Vodafone and O2.
The "Motorola Atrix 4G" is the title used for the Atrix line that is used in North America for carriers like AT&T and Bell.
Look at these two links and you will see that the main difference is the bands used for their 3G networks. AT&T and Bell use 850/1900 and Vodafone and O2 use 900/2100.
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
I could be wrong but this is what I can gather from your question. Also, you might be able to use the "4G" branded one because it still uses the 2100MHz band (if unlocked) but you might experience reduced coverage (slower speeds).
The difference in cameras is between the Atrix(4G) and Atrix 2.
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_2-4199.php
Which also does not use the 900MHz band.
EDIT: I would also like to point out that they do all use the same "Quad-band GSM" but that is for the 2G(EDGE) network, and not 3G(UMTS/HSPA)
jman316 said:
Hi all,
Im thinking of buying this phone but from what i have read there isnt much difference between the Atrix and the Atrix 4g.
How will I be able to tell which is which? specs are almost the same.
Should add that I am buying used. Also, I am in the UK.
Look forward to your replies!
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Some suggested the only difference between atrix and atrix 4g is the firmware. But I don't know how true it is.
I have a Bell (canadian) atrix 4G, and I am currently in UK on O2. Is there any way to tell if I can use UMTS900 or not?
If there is a way to tell, and I manage to connect to UMTS900, then I will say there is no difference between atrix and atrix4G.
Right, an unlocked Bell/AT&T Atrix will work on almost all of the UK networks but it will be restricted to the 2100MHz band for 3G(HSPA) or quad-band GSM for 2G(EDGE).
You don't need to try "to tell" if your Bell Atrix is using the 900MHz band for 3G(UMTS/HSPA) because it cannot. It's in the specs, it just doesn't have the capability.
http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Products/Motorola_Atrix_4G/Specifications.tab
Just to clarify, I'm not saying you can't use an unlocked AT&T/Bell Atrix in the UK, all I'm saying is it will not be able to use the 900MHz band for 3G. It will, however, be able to use it on EDGE/2G. I'm fairly certain it's a hardware thing.
ken218 said:
Some suggested the only difference between atrix and atrix 4g is the firmware. But I don't know how true it is.
I have a Bell (canadian) atrix 4G, and I am currently in UK on O2. Is there any way to tell if I can use UMTS900 or not?
If there is a way to tell, and I manage to connect to UMTS900, then I will say there is no difference between atrix and atrix4G.
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People seems to be either pretty certain it is only a firmware difference, or pretty certain it is a hardware difference. But no one can confirm which one is correct...
I do agree, based on the spec from motorola, US/CA atrix doesn't support UMTS900.
ken218 said:
People seems to be either pretty certain it is only a firmware difference, or pretty certain it is a hardware difference. But no one can confirm which one is correct...
I do agree, based on the spec from motorola, US/CA atrix doesn't support UMTS900.
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Same result I've had. I've posted a question thread on the modems here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1442350
Its annoying me because if its just a software limitation, what is there to stop us from giving it 900mhz umts support? The "workaround" just needs discovering by a developer (I've been mooching around, but i'm not dev!)
O2 UK has UMTS on 900MHz now, and one local to me so I want to use it without replacing it for a UK atrix lol.
What we need is an international/uk user to be brave and strip their phone down and find out for us!
My gut feeling is its something in the kernel/drivers/boot loader provided for the AT&T Atrix. On samsungs there is a secret menu for turning bands on and off.. but none of those codes will work on the Atrix of course (even the generic test ones built into android don't work!)
If you know anywhere close to London where o2 has UMTS900 coverage, but no UMTS2100 coverage, then I will try it out.
If I can get 3G at that location, then my Bell Atrix with UK baseband works with UMTS900. If not, then it is more than likely to be hardware.
ken218 said:
If you know anywhere close to London where o2 has UMTS900 coverage, but no UMTS2100 coverage, then I will try it out.
If I can get 3G at that location, then my Bell Atrix with UK baseband works with UMTS900. If not, then it is more than likely to be hardware.
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If you can come down to Solent Business Park/Whiteley you'll have it there on 900mhz. They were digging up the road a few weeks ago right by the mast (which is pretty much line of sight with my office), and I took my Nokia N900 (on GiffGaff as its a spare!) which supports UMTS 900 and it had full 3G signal (atrix had full 2g), which it could never get before. The nearest 2100mhz mast is like 2 miles away. The atrix will pick the 2100 mast up rarely down there, and when it does, it has 1 bar if that.
I tried a few different base bands while at work, none seem to provide positive results on my AT&T Atrix.
When it comes to the differences of the Atrix and the Atrix 4G, it is the 900MHz UMTS band. The Intl version has it but the AT&T/Bell version does not.
While the OP (@jman316) was looking for the differences between these two versions, you seem to be trying to figure out how to access that band on the AT&T version, which is not possible.
GSM and UMTS are not compatible. UMTS is an evolution of GSM but they are not the same. So, going back to your dilemma, you have stated in your other thread that you currently have an AT&T version. Based on that, you cannot use the 900MHz band on 3G/UMTS/HSPA. Only 2G/GSM/EDGE.
http://etutorials.org/Mobile+device...eral+Packet+Radio+Service+and+UMTS+PS+Domain/
http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-gsm-and-umts/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_umts_and_gsm
To reiterate, quad-band GSM is not the same thing as UMTS/HSPA The AT&T Atrix can only use the 900MHz band on EDGE/2G, not 3G/UMTS/HSPA.
I apologize if I seem derisive on the matter, I just feel that the facts are right there.
tehrules said:
Same result I've had. I've posted a question thread on the modems here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1442350
Its annoying me because if its just a software limitation, what is there to stop us from giving it 900mhz umts support? The "workaround" just needs discovering by a developer (I've been mooching around, but i'm not dev!)
O2 UK has UMTS on 900MHz now, and one local to me so I want to use it without replacing it for a UK atrix lol.
What we need is an international/uk user to be brave and strip their phone down and find out for us!
My gut feeling is its something in the kernel/drivers/boot loader provided for the AT&T Atrix. On samsungs there is a secret menu for turning bands on and off.. but none of those codes will work on the Atrix of course (even the generic test ones built into android don't work!)
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live4nyy said:
When it comes to the differences of the Atrix and the Atrix 4G, it is the 900MHz UMTS band. The Intl version has it but the AT&T/Bell version does not.
While the OP (@jman316) was looking for the differences between these two versions, you seem to be trying to figure out how to access that band on the AT&T version, which is not possible.
GSM and UMTS are not compatible. UMTS is an evolution of GSM but they are not the same. So, going back to your dilemma, you have stated in your other thread that you currently have an AT&T version. Based on that, you cannot use the 900MHz band on 3G/UMTS/HSPA. Only 2G/GSM/EDGE.
http://etutorials.org/Mobile+device...eral+Packet+Radio+Service+and+UMTS+PS+Domain/
http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-gsm-and-umts/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_umts_and_gsm
To reiterate, quad-band GSM is not the same thing as UMTS/HSPA The AT&T Atrix can only use the 900MHz band on EDGE/2G, not 3G/UMTS/HSPA.
I apologize if I seem derisive on the matter, I just feel that the facts are right there.
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I'm very aware of the differences in the technology. I don't know where your comparison of GSM/UMTS and the links relevant here. Its a quad band gsm and quad band UTMS/WCDMA/3G phone with one band disabled be it through a hardware modification to the chip or by software.
What we are trying to drill down to is this:
1. Is it the same cellular modem chip used in both AT&T/Bell and the international versions?
If yes then,
2. Why is it not possible to enable the disabled band?
Has anyone really done any research into either of these? No. If had a spare pool of money I'd buy a UK phone, and strip it down, and prove once and for all what difference there is, and we could then say, oh so the chips are different models so that explains that or go, oh its the same chip/part number, lets hack the software a bit.
Also Atrix 2 uses normal tft lcd instead of pentile as in original atrix.
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el_venga said:
Also Atrix 2 uses normal tft lcd instead of pentile as in original atrix.
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We are not on about the Atrix 2, we are on about Atrix 4G (US) vs Atrix (UK/EU/World)
What I have quoted above about 3G on 900mhz should be possible, here is a little pointer (evidence perhaps?) as to why it should work...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1334674
http://www.option.com/en/products/p...ons/lgamodulegtm601-609/specifications/#start
http://www.m2msearch.com/node/128
http://www.att.com/media/en_US/docs/edo/ATT_Approved_Modules.xls
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54154049/...odem-Device-Specification-Advance-Information
I have done a lot of research into the matter and from what I have gathered the chips/modules responsible for the compatible frequencies can be tailored to specs according to the customer's (AT&T) requests. Which, from my understanding, would be a hardware issue. So, even if they have the same chip, it wouldn't matter, since AT&T can have it custom made to just use the frequencies they approve. Which actually sounds a lot like something AT&T would do, given their track record.
I also found this thread where others are pretty certain it is not possible:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233097
tehrules said:
I'm very aware of the differences in the technology. I don't know where your comparison of GSM/UMTS and the links relevant here. Its a quad band gsm and quad band UTMS/WCDMA/3G phone with one band disabled be it through a hardware modification to the chip or by software.
What we are trying to drill down to is this:
1. Is it the same cellular modem chip used in both AT&T/Bell and the international versions?
If yes then,
2. Why is it not possible to enable the disabled band?
Has anyone really done any research into either of these? No. If had a spare pool of money I'd buy a UK phone, and strip it down, and prove once and for all what difference there is, and we could then say, oh so the chips are different models so that explains that or go, oh its the same chip/part number, lets hack the software a bit.
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Ok this is all confusing now !
Will i be able to get 3g speeds in the Uk with the Atrix or is it limited to 2G!?
Has anyone actually tested a Moto X Pure 2015 in a T-Mobile LTE Band 12 area to see if the phone actually has T-Mobile Band 12 disabled, and how the phone handles that if so?
The Motorola website still shows LTE Band 12, with the footnote that it varies by carrier. Compare this with the Moto G, which initially showed Band 12 and then suddenly Band 12 disappeared from the Motorola specs page without any explanation from Motorola.
TIA...
I am currently on T-Mobile (Ting) in a band 12 active area, and I am only getting band 4.
I've been looking into activating all bands according to the details in some of these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1211157
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/guide-xt1097-to-xt1095-nextel-t2972693
I updated the radio on my HTC with QPST, and it looks like it might be easier with moto since the motos have a special BP Tools mode in the fastboot.
My biggest concern is that we may need a custom kernel first if the base kernel has anti-tamper code.
After I first activated on ting, my phone was stuck in HSPA+ and would not connect via LTE.
I went into the engineering/field test mode using *#*#INFO#*#* (*#*#4636#*#*) and changed the "Set preferred network type" from WCDMA preferred to LTE/GSM auto (PRL).
I also turned off "IMS Registration Required" and turned on SMS over IMS.
There is a "Select Radio Band" feature in the menu that offers 3 choices for "Set GSM/UMTS Band". The options are USA Band, Cellular, and PCS.
I have read that if you make a band selection, the only way to get it back to unspecified is to reflash your radio. This seems particularly bad for those in europe, who often disable their radios by selecting "USA Band".
I of course discovered this after already selecting a preferred band.
Maybe someone with experience with updating the radio on a Moto can weigh in here.
I would like to reflash my radio preference back to unspecified, but I'm not sure how to go about it, or if it actually matters.
Motorola says they are going to add LTE Band 12 for T-Mobile in a software update to Moto X Pure 2015.
When, is the question.
Thanks for letting us know your real world test results.
ErikHellstrom said:
I am currently on T-Mobile (Ting) in a band 12 active area, and I am only getting band 4.
Maybe someone with experience with updating the radio on a Moto can weigh in here.
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You need to basically repeat the process you did for your HTC. Enter BPTools mode. Make sure you have the drivers installed (Moto, and either their USB modem driver, or your HTC driver will work as well) and then use QXDM to update your band preference for LTE. Also, make sure to use an up to date QXDM, otherwise it won't work. From what I've heard, it's hit or miss with the 810, because they have updated their anti-tampering code from the 805, and while I haven't tried this yet myself (I'm waiting on Moto update, but only so much longer...) this would be how to get it going. Good luck!
Edit: Also, if you meant just getting your stock settings for your radio back, you can just reflash stock. If you're unlocked (bootloader), you can root, install TWRP recovery and then reflash.
ErikHellstrom, your post was about your HTC?
I am looking for real world results with stock Moto X Style (Pure) 2015 edition phones, with the initial release Android 5.1.1 shipping on these phones in September 2015.
Again: On T-Mobile, LTE Band 12, in areas with Band 12.
Thanks again for any info that anyone can provide.
Tinkerer_ said:
ErikHellstrom, your post was about your HTC?
I am looking for real world results with stock Moto X Style (Pure) 2015 edition phones, with the initial release Android 5.1.1 shipping on these phones in September 2015.
Again: On T-Mobile, LTE Band 12, in areas with Band 12.
Thanks again for any info that anyone can provide.
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No I am on MXPE1575, with T-Mobile(Ting) in a Band 12 area.
Motorola has announced plans to roll out the activation of Band 12 and VOLTE to MXPE phones, but not a date.
My understanding is that calls will fail if you are connected to Band 12 without VOLTE, because you can connect to a tower too far away to handle a traditional call.
So if you activate band 12 without activating VOLTE you may end up connecting to towers that cannot facilitate a phone call for you. Although some have said that your phone will hop over to band 4 for call notification. I don't know much about this, so I can't verify.
You should be able to edit your radio using specialized Qualcomm software to activate the radio bands and possibly the VOLTE, if you don't want to wait for the official update from motorola.
Matt at Moto forums seems to be indicating that the Moto Band 12/VOLTE activation updates will be coming quite soon.
Is there any quote or article that says it? If it's true, then I will probably end up getting the phone.
komugi said:
Is there any quote or article that says it? If it's true, then I will probably end up getting the phone.
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https://forums.motorola.com/comment/977403
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any updates on this? i like my moto x pure so far but i'm in a band 12 area and would like to get the most out of it. i'm coming from a samsung S5 and i don't believe that had band 12
fiftythreefly said:
any updates on this? i like my moto x pure so far but i'm in a band 12 area and would like to get the most out of it. i'm coming from a samsung S5 and i don't believe that had band 12
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patience brother I am a Verizon customer and also waiting to try out tmobile (again) but with band12 to see how it works.
I test from time to time using simple mobile preloaded sim on ebay they sell on ebay for few bucks 1 place where I am almost everyday has 1 bar and no service and that is in Queens,NY inside the building but once outside signal is perfect.
patt2k said:
patience brother I am a Verizon customer and also waiting to try out tmobile (again) but with band12 to see how it works.
I test from time to time using simple mobile preloaded sim on ebay they sell on ebay for few bucks 1 place where I am almost everyday has 1 bar and no service and that is in Queens,NY inside the building but once outside signal is perfect.
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i'm just excited is all i've been with tmobile since i was 15 years old (nearly 20 years ago) and am hoping this new band 12 improves upon their service around here, but at the moment i get LTE with speeds of about 30mb/s so no complaints, but if i go south about 10 miles i lose service
Since moto has gone pure Android, can we use regular fastboot or do they still use moto-fastboot? If regular fastboot we can just flash a radio.img correct?
I just ordered a Nexus 6 (killer deal on ebay for $300 + free shipping) ... curious to see if I'll notice a big difference in signal strength/quality seeing it has Band 12 enabled. If I do, I guess I'll have a choice to make LOL
YankInDaSouth said:
I just ordered a Nexus 6 (killer deal on ebay for $300 + free shipping) ... curious to see if I'll notice a big difference in signal strength/quality seeing it has Band 12 enabled. If I do, I guess I'll have a choice to make LOL
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Never wanted nexus 6 and never will because it's just to big.
The reason why I am waiting with tmo is I need to test service at 1 place where I spend a lot of time I will actually join my friend who is on the 100$/unlimited so my line will be just 40+ tax. Unlimited everything.
Yeah, its definitely wide ... But it may likely turnout to be a "rental" unless I see substantial signal improvements
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any updates on this front yet?
thanks!
Any fix for this?
ErikHellstrom said:
I am currently on T-Mobile (Ting) in a band 12 active area, and I am only getting band 4.
I've been looking into activating all bands according to the details in some of these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1211157
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/guide-xt1097-to-xt1095-nextel-t2972693
I updated the radio on my HTC with QPST, and it looks like it might be easier with moto since the motos have a special BP Tools mode in the fastboot.
My biggest concern is that we may need a custom kernel first if the base kernel has anti-tamper code.
After I first activated on ting, my phone was stuck in HSPA+ and would not connect via LTE.
I went into the engineering/field test mode using *#*#INFO#*#* (*#*#4636#*#*) and changed the "Set preferred network type" from WCDMA preferred to LTE/GSM auto (PRL).
I also turned off "IMS Registration Required" and turned on SMS over IMS.
There is a "Select Radio Band" feature in the menu that offers 3 choices for "Set GSM/UMTS Band". The options are USA Band, Cellular, and PCS.
I have read that if you make a band selection, the only way to get it back to unspecified is to reflash your radio. This seems particularly bad for those in europe, who often disable their radios by selecting "USA Band".
I of course discovered this after already selecting a preferred band.
Maybe someone with experience with updating the radio on a Moto can weigh in here.
I would like to reflash my radio preference back to unspecified, but I'm not sure how to go about it, or if it actually matters.
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I also made the same mistake... by pressing "USA Band" outside of the US. Any way to fix this?
I have also made the same mistake of clicking on one of 3 choices in "Set GSM/UMTS Band" menu.
Does anyone know how to revert back the setting? My 2G and 3G calling is not working since then. Only LTE is working.
Thank you in advance!
Ruby H said:
I also made the same mistake... by pressing "USA Band" outside of the US. Any way to fix this?
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Reflash the radio via the Restore to stock tool, or one of the MM radios. There is an MM radio with TruPure,
ErikHellstrom said:
Reflash the radio via the Restore to stock tool, or one of the MM radios. There is an MM radio with TruPure,
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Sorry, but I'm a nubee at this :-|
Can you please send a link to 'Restore to stock tool'. Is 'MM Radio' also a software package?
Will reflashing my Moto X-PE (XT-1575) erase the IMEI number?
Will reflashing the phone void my warranty with Motorola?
Tnx!