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Would it be any easier using a moment dump to help compile some sprint specific stuff since the moment runs a vanilla android to get things ready for a 2.0 upgrade?
Are you referring to a 2.0 upgrade of Moment or Hero?
Both phones are running 1.5 so I am not sure what we would be able to get from the Moment.
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Would it be any easier using a moment dump to help compile some sprint specific stuff since the moment runs a vanilla android to get things ready for a 2.0 upgrade?
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hero has vanilla too, just runs senseUI by default
BrianDigital said:
Would it be any easier using a moment dump to help compile some sprint specific stuff since the moment runs a vanilla android to get things ready for a 2.0 upgrade?
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As kcarpenter said, we aren't trying to take a 1.5 rom and make it 2.x. We have a GSM 2.x rom that we're trying to make work on a CDMA phone with a kernel that doesn't exist for us.
sorry, I meant for specific apk for sprint since htc hacked up stuff to get cdma to work and so on, but nevermind
Good thought, never hold back on ideas. The more ideas and thoughts that are put out here on these forums gives people like flipz more opportunities to create bigger better things. Who knows, you may say something that puts everyone on the right track to fixing this 2.1 data issue.
@flipz - I always thought kernels just magically appeared. No luck with this one? Maybe we should find a corn farmer...wow that was a bad pun.
Are you 100% sure this is a kernel issue? I was just doing some research on the RIL and it seem that would certainly hold the keys to enable data and such. I've been looking up from my phone so my knowledge is limited since I haven't been home since tues.
So if we can write a Sprint specific RIL then we'd be looking pretty good. Or is the issue that the RIL is compiled into the kernel itself.
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Are you 100% sure this is a kernel issue? I was just doing some research on the RIL and it seem that would certainly hold the keys to enable data and such. I've been looking up from my phone so my knowledge is limited since I haven't been home since tues.
So if we can write a Sprint specific RIL then we'd be looking pretty good. Or is the issue that the RIL is compiled into the kernel itself.
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I think I recall reading that the RIL is in the kernel. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong.
Darn manufacturers keep messing us over. Moment with the jacked up file system so Root stuff won't work but they release source (minus RFS stuff required to get the real goodies working). HERO with no kernel but it seems like everything else is inline.
Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Also a G1 and N1 owner. Be happy to help.
1) Wireless tethering is accomplished by myself without issue via Wireless tether app on the market. It's under the radar so to speak, but required an ad hoc connection
2) The correct lagfix is the voodoo lag fix, with the informative posts being found on the first page of this forum. Basically, Samsung used an older file system in their build, and voodoo updates it to ext4, which is alot snappier on the r/w side of things. Without it, you will encounter a slowing of your processes after a period of uptime, and usually a small freeze while the phone does things like install applications. The flip is that voodoo instructions should be read very closely, and adhered to. Failure to do so will result in phone borkage, and while always fixable, takes some time and patience to do so.
If you are unfamiliar with Odin, as I was at first, make damn sure you always use the PDA option. Failure to do so can result in terminal frustration, and possibly a close to true brick of the device.
3) There are no 2.2 ROMs yet. The Froyo OTA should hit between now and Christmas hopefully. I would like to think we will see some custom 2.2 ROMs, and maybe a CM port by the 1st. In the meanwhile there are several ROMs on this board which seem to work for the people who use them. I'm a proponent of stripping and customizing stock to suit your needs, making your ROM your own. I haven't seen enough included hacks in the available ROMs to warrant a need for them personally. We have some excellent kernels available, and some pretty slick themes and mods, which works well for me.
4) The phone has the best processor/gpu out currently. The display is fantastic, and I don't see a better device on the market currently. It does have downsides, most notably the GPS, which isn't a huge issue for me, but which also has a fix on the way, presumably to be included in the 2.2 update. I also have experienced a shortage in the Wifi reception comparative to my N1, having approx. half the range I previously enjoyed. This seems to me to be software related, so I assume it will be addressable.
If you plan to root and mod, especially if you plan to use voodoo, which I highly recommend, be careful in your reading of instructions and applications of procedures outlined in them. As great as this phone is, mistakes are costly in terms of confusion and time to correct.
Thanks for the reply. Im always impatient, and as such, have already rooted before even waiting for a first response I used the one click method though and it worked great, exactly as advertised. Root Explorer works, so I definitely am good there, and I snagged the latest build of wireless tether from the developer's page.
Now I need to get started with actually switching out the ROM. I really want all the VZ bloatware gone and Bing needs to go as well. So now I guess I have some reading to do on installing ROMs for this phone. Process seems a little more complex for this phone that it was for my N1, but that may be just because it was so long ago and I don't remember. Thanks for the response though!
I am in a similar boat I use the Droid 1 and my fascinate is at the post office waiting for me per usps tracking
I think for now I will root remove bloatware and Bing and role with that till 2.2 maybe touchwiz aswell as I hear u can save ram that way and I paid for launcher pro so might aswell use it.
Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
I just received my fascinate friday, best buy sucked me in, lol, and I have no regrets. This phone is amazing, better than my d1 and d2. I too had a lot of the same questions about the lagfix and what not and would just like to say thanks, this thread def helped me understand. Can't wait until 2.2 roms
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Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
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I posted on replacing the stock launcher with ADW or LP, as well as a couple lists of what is safe to remove. It's easy enough. I'm mobile our I would link the threads, but the replacement of bing its also covered in a post that includes some zips that will help.
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I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
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What is LPPlus? Is it worthwhile/simple to do?
To everyone else, I am glad I was not the only other one on the fence. XDA can be a bit scary sometimes, because you don't wanna ask something dumb/"noob"ish, but at the same time, if you haven't been there since the beginning, playing catch up can be hard. I will say everyone in the Fascinate threads has been nice and really helpful so far. I am slowly working through getting my phone the way I want it. Its just a shame that Verizon has to mess up the phone with all this garbage. I dont care much for the iPhone (design or software), but the one thing they do right, which comes at the cost of being "closed", is that they can dictate the user experience right out of the box. Unfortunately a lot of people are just too timid or incapable of doing the things we do to our phones to get them "right". Its a shame too, because people base their opinions on what Android the phone company gives you rather than what it can truly be. Regardless, I appreciate everyone's help and look forward to being a part of this community. I work IT at a school, so I know my way around a PC, but I wish I just knew more about Android coding and how phones work to be a true contributor to ROMs, etc. At least I know I helped a few people by speaking up and creating this thread. Thanks again everyone!!!
Edit: Im putting this in as an edit, but I just realized that LPPlus is probably Launcher Pro Plus. Have you used ADW? Is there a difference? What do you see as its advantages over ADW?
I personally (and i think most of us here would agree) don't have a problem with anyone asking "dumb" questions, if they haven't already been answered. the main issue is that most of the new posts are either "I didn't read the instructions and F*ed up my phone", "hey i heard this crazy rumor it must be true", "Can someone explain the same thing there are already 6 other topics about" and "how can we take X from this other phone and use it on mine". your questions are understandable and asking questions before you jump in saves a lot of headaches from having to fix something you tried without understanding it. and honestly, no need to be afraid to ask anything, worst case scenario someone like me *****es at you over the internet. who cares. =)
I've been reading through the forums here and I think I have a little bit of info on custom roms and kernels etc. but I've never put one on my phone. The most I've ever done was root which was enough for me for a while but I've recently started getting a little sick of lag and 4g/gps issues for some reason I can't tether, and the hard keyboard skipping is annoying. I was eagerly waiting for froyo to help with these issues but it doesn't seem to have helped in some cases which make me nervous to go to Froyo before the bugs are worked out.
My question is this...is there a rom out that anyone could suggest thats easy to put on the epic for a noob but can also take care of the issues I'm having and be fairly stable? Or should I wait for Sprint/Sammy to fix the Froyo issues if they're doing that? Or just wait for the EB13 roms to be fully tested and worked out before I do anything? :/
Sorry if this is a pretty vague question, I was leaning towards the newest version of midNIGHT since people seem to have good feedback on that and the dev seems pretty responsive to the public but bonsai and viper both seem like pretty good prospects as well...any info would be immensely appreciated.
Thanks
I don't think any of the roms will help with hard keyboard skipping. If you're a fast texter its always going to be present, at least it has for me.
What 4G problem are you having? As for GPS, some people can't get theirs to work regardless of what they try. Others (myself included), have gotten it fixed with almost instant locks by using some of the available roms or doing the master reset in one of the threads here, that's what fixed it for me.
I say dive in and try something out so you get a feel for what's available. Try out a DK28 rom, they all run pretty good and EB13 introduced some new bugs. If you can read and follow directions, you'll be just fine
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If you don't really know what you are doing and you're still on 2.1, I would say to stick with a 2.1 based rom. There are plenty of souped up roms available. If you want a 2.2 based rom and you're not confident in what you're doing, I would say use Odin to flash the dk28 based froyo. Then, flash midnight or bonsai. People seem to clamor for those 2 for stability and debloat. There are others that are great, but have more things installed.
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I don't think any of the roms will help with hard keyboard skipping. If you're a fast texter its always going to be present, at least it has for me.
What 4G problem are you having? As for GPS, some people can't get theirs to work regardless of what they try. Others (myself included), have gotten it fixed with almost instant locks by using some of the available roms or doing the master reset in one of the threads here, that's what fixed it for me.
I say dive in and try something out so you get a feel for what's available. Try out a DK28 rom, they all run pretty good and EB13 introduced some new bugs. If you can read and follow directions, you'll be just fine
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Thanks for the insight and I was thinking about just diving in myself :/ I just get nervous I'm going to screw up my phone or lose some data or something but I think I'll try a DK28 Rom really soon, just not sure which one yet. Would you say they all run fairly better than stock Eclair?
As for the 4G issue it never stays connected. My GF has an evo shift and in the same room she connects and stays connected with good speeds and everything and mine always disconnects right away. GPS isn't that bad on my phone right now however theres the occasional times when it can't lock which is very annoying.
Thanks for the help though!
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If you don't really know what you are doing and you're still on 2.1, I would say to stick with a 2.1 based rom. There are plenty of souped up roms available. If you want a 2.2 based rom and you're not confident in what you're doing, I would say use Odin to flash the dk28 based froyo. Then, flash midnight or bonsai. People seem to clamor for those 2 for stability and debloat. There are others that are great, but have more things installed.
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Yeah, thats most likely what I'll do. Those were definitely my top choices from reading through the forums and seeing what each had to offer. I'll have to wait for the EB13 builds to become a little bit more stable before I flash to any of those. I definitely need to just stick with what works right now and not testing, since I'm such a noob :/
Thanks for the feedback though, I'm starting to get rom fever as we speak How long does it take to flash to the dk28 then to midnight? I wanna know when I'll have the time to Also, you think you could point me in either direction of the odin flash for dk28 and/or the midnight version for that build?
Thanks again
You may want to try this for the 4G issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925898
As far as Roms, I definitely agree that Midnight and Bonsai are great roms. You may want to search for the Genocide kernel under the development section too to help with lag. Once you get started flashing roms, it might become an addiction! Good luck!
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You may want to try this for the 4G issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925898
As far as Roms, I definitely agree that Midnight and Bonsai are great roms. You may want to search for the Genocide kernel under the development section too to help with lag. Once you get started flashing roms, it might become an addiction! Good luck!
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Awesome! Thanks guys for all the feedback, I'll definitely be using all of this because I've really been looking to maximize my usage on the phone and the lag and 4g issues havent been helping. I'll definitely have to look up some more info on the Genocide kernel for sure.
Am I weird that I actually kind of hope it does become an addiction? haha
Should'nt we all start posting annoying threads on Facebook to Motorola and the MS2?.. I already started see here -> http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=121867580498&topic=20102
If we all do that.. they maybe atleast see it.. and think 0,0001 second about it.. thats better than nothing..!!!!
I wist it'd be that simple. With the first Milestone they've proven that they don't know what support is.
I seriously doubt it will have any effect. We all know about the MP3 problems and wrong keyboard layout... The device has been on the market for about six months and there's still no sign of a fix for those problems. Kind of annoying, having a euro sign on the keyboard, but not being able te use it.
...and Motorola knows about those issues. They simply choose not to fix them.
these two bugs are not present in custom firmware argent2stone...
try it
I already fixed those problems in the stock ROM for now I actually quite like Blur, so I don't need it (partially) removed. Unless Argen2Stone performance is undeniably better than Stock. Furthermore I don't know if it fixes the AAC problems, so I don't feel like reinstalling it now...
Still, that isn't the point. It's about the fact Motorola should've pushed a fix for those issues. They're minor, highly annoying and not everybody wants to root their phone to fix such issues.
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Still, that isn't the point. It's about the fact Motorola should've pushed a fix for those issues. They're minor, highly annoying and not everybody wants to root their phone to fix such issues.
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Absolutely. +1
Hi everyone,
Some of you may already know me (the new guy to rooting ). For those who don't, I'm completely new to rooting and roms (just started a day ago).
I've tried two different roms so far other than stock (Urban and ERA, currently on ERA). and one of the biggest things to come to my eyes is the keyboard lag fix..
This fix is so significant it's crazy. I mean I used to hate the Epic keyboard because of this. I never knew that I could simply root and have a rom that would have fixed this issue until now.
I'm really curious why Samsung didn't bother to apply this fix? Did it sacrifice anything? Was it simply to make the keys more sensitive?
Just curious about everyone elses thoughts.
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Hi everyone,
Some of you may already know me (the new guy to rooting ). For those who don't, I'm completely new to rooting and roms (just started a day ago).
I've tried two different roms so far other than stock (Urban and ERA, currently on ERA). and one of the biggest things to come to my eyes is the keyboard lag fix..
This fix is so significant it's crazy. I mean I used to hate the Epic keyboard because of this. I never knew that I could simply root and have a rom that would have fixed this issue until now.
I'm really curious why Samsung didn't bother to apply this fix? Did it sacrifice anything? Was it simply to make the keys more sensitive?
Just curious about everyone elses thoughts.
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Honestly I think it was a matter of mkasick finding a better way to deal with key press events. He did some serious reasearch, and being a kernel dev I can see he really put some effort into it. I think mkasick just understood the hardware better than the guy who originally wrote the code
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Honestly I think it was a matter of mkasick finding a better way to deal with key press events. He did some serious reasearch, and being a kernel dev I can see he really put some effort into it. I think mkasick just understood the hardware better than the guy who originally wrote the code
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I think you just hit the nail on the head! It's amazing what an enthusiast programmer can and will do that someone just earning a paycheck will overlook, intentional or not.
I agree with you there, but it makes you wonder exactly how the hell something so BAD and so CENTRAL to the device can make it out the damn door! Not only that, but it doesn't get fixed for multiple releases! *boggle*
I tell ya, I generally avoid rooting, just because that's my preference, but if the next update doesn't fix the skips, I'm gonna have to do it.
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I agree with you there, but it makes you wonder exactly how the hell something so BAD and so CENTRAL to the device can make it out the damn door! Not only that, but it doesn't get fixed for multiple releases! *boggle*
I tell ya, I generally avoid rooting, just because that's my preference, but if the next update doesn't fix the skips, I'm gonna have to do it.
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Yeah, I bought this phone and not the Evo one of the main reasons being the keyboard. I was more than dissapointed with the crappy keyboard problems. If I knew there's a fix if you root, I would have done this months ago lol.
Mkasiak, huge thanks.
Thanks the the Devs here, the current fixes added to the Gingerbread build really make the Epic shine.
It's fast, stable, has great battery life, a useful keyboard, and gtalk working.
It really makes me happy that I decided to choose this phone over the EVO back when both these phones were top of the line.
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I agree with you there, but it makes you wonder exactly how the hell something so BAD and so CENTRAL to the device can make it out the damn door! Not only that, but it doesn't get fixed for multiple releases! *boggle*
I tell ya, I generally avoid rooting, just because that's my preference, but if the next update doesn't fix the skips, I'm gonna have to do it.
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Awww, just go ahead and root and fix it! and while you are at it, fix your GPS too! I waited a long time to root while on Froyo, but I finally did, but went unrooted to get the OTA to GB (don't really know why) and couldn't stand being unrooted. I wanted control back that only root could give me. Even my wife asked me to root her phone to keep certain apps from killing her battery.