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News on the Wizard

Ok here is a quick round up of the news that is currently available on this device. For anyone who doesnt know the wizard looks like it is going to be the follow up to the magician. Size wise it is almost identical except the wizard looks like it is going to be a touch thicker than the magician. However this is forgiven as this extra thickness is due to the addition of a sideways slide out keyboard (see pic) This will please many owners of the magician who have found text input a little to fiddly on this device. It is rumoured that the device will be made available in a number of different versions i.e. some with a camera some without etc. However it is generally thought that the specs for the various models run along the lines of a 200MHz OMAP processor (hmm i hope that is quicker than it sounds?! :shock: ), GPRS/EDGE, built in WiFi and Bluetooth. The scrren size is 240x320 and it runs on WM5!
It is already expected that the device will be sold under various different brandings. Many of the pics floating around the internet show the device branded as Qtek 9100. It is also almost 100% confirmed that orange will offer the wizard as the SPV M600 and it could hit the shelves as early as september!!! No doubt the other opperators will also offer the phone under various different names!
Phone Scoop reports that the HTC Wizard has passed FCC certification, and the submitted version has 850 and 1900MHz support which is good news for those in the us.
Pics are courtesy of WindowsMobile.no and there are many more available HERE
And there is a video available HERE which is also thanks to those good people at WindowsMobile.no
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but it's cpu speed is 175mhz.

Hmm Edge ... No use in UK then for Imternet speed

There are also pictures of a CDMA version. Sprint is calling it the PPC-6700 and it should be out before the end of October.
Report with pics on PCSintel.

SaltyDawg said:
There are also pictures of a CDMA version. Sprint is calling it the PPC-6700 and it should be out before the end of October.
Report with pics on PCSintel.
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PhoneArena has an article on the CDMA implying a fast Intel processor, not the slow TI everyone is concerned about:
http://phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Apache-the-CDMA-version-of-the-Wizard-article-a_643.html

i'm gonna cry
see my sig? i thought it was enough compensation that the wizard has a slow processor - won't make me sad that i didn't wait for it. now this CDMA version will really make me cry. BTW is CDMA = 3G? currently doing a google search on this. and how comparable is its size compared to the magician/non cdma-wizard? i mean, the size might change because of the antenna, but i want to know by how much.
(i forgot one more thing, hence the editing)
would've been excellent if only the screen slides out, so it looks like the sidekick. awkwardly off-center screen. but i can live with that.

CDMA itself is not 3G, no. But the CDMA carriers in the USA have EVDO, which is a 3G technology. So, CDMA is not 3G, but if it's CDMA in the USA it means it will be 3G, assuming it supports EVDO.
On the size, look at the picture showing it next to the Samsung i730. It's the same size. Too bad it has a big, fat antenna. But not counting the antenna, it's the same size as the Samsung i730.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=555794&native_or_pdf=pdf
Nice to know

yeah it looks good, i may replace my mda compact, but the processor is the only thing at tho that may let the device down :?:
info on the omap850 chip
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...00&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_850

Rumor has it that the CDMA version (Sprint PPC-6700) does have EVDO, which (like SaltyDawg said) is 3G.

when it release?
So sounds the slow processor not gonna to support Skype then? as Skype has to run on at least 400Mhz CPU...
ANy idea when it gonna to release? cheers

question for those who really know: would the omap 850 really be uber slow compared to intel's xscales? i mean doesn't the omap works like 'dual processors'? one for phone and one for pda function (i read this somewhere just can't remember it) and doesn't it consume less power? any insight would be appreciated.

bnycastro said:
question for those who really know: would the omap 850 really be uber slow compared to intel's xscales? i mean doesn't the omap works like 'dual processors'? one for phone and one for pda function (i read this somewhere just can't remember it) and doesn't it consume less power? any insight would be appreciated.
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It depends on which Xscale are we talking about. Compared to the outgoing [email protected] MHz, well... I can assume its slowness is marginal, but compared to the existing PXA27x... It's a no contest. AFAIK, anything OMAP in three digit equals to bad anything... It's not even dual core, like everyone believed it is.
Again, AFAIK, the dual core OMAP uses 4 digit naming scheme, like the 1510 on the iPAQ 6300 series and the Tungsten T. Just check it at the official Texas Instrument site.
I am very much hoping that HTC Wizard will replace my Treo 650... I have bad memories with my Blue Angel almost a year ago... But since then, I couldn't live without integrated QWERTY keyboard. The only replacement good enough for me is the iPAQ 6500 series, but I can trek places where no PDA-Phone ever gone before with my Treo, as it has 1800 mAH battery capacity.
This processor fiasco has me think again about buying the Wizard. But we shall see in the near future about the truth.

Hrm, yep... seems that it is only a single core: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...00&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_850... Again, I think this is a non-issue since its only _really_ going to matter for things such as Skype where the phone AND the PDA side of things need to be working together. For stuff like web browsing, IM, planners etc... it should be more than enough (at least compared to a damned Symbian Nokia which runs at 103MHz).
In a way I see the slow processor as a blessing (though, watch as I eat my words when the thing actually arrives) - keeping it at a slower clock speed means the battery will last longer. Couple this with the fact that it uses WM5.0 which has persistent storage and this means we should be looking at a pretty good battery life, or they'll have provided us with a really lame battery to save money *shrugs*.

ShALLaX said:
Hrm, yep... seems that it is only a single core: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...00&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_850... Again, I think this is a non-issue since its only _really_ going to matter for things such as Skype where the phone AND the PDA side of things need to be working together. For stuff like web browsing, IM, planners etc... it should be more than enough (at least compared to a damned Symbian Nokia which runs at 103MHz).
In a way I see the slow processor as a blessing (though, watch as I eat my words when the thing actually arrives) - keeping it at a slower clock speed means the battery will last longer. Couple this with the fact that it uses WM5.0 which has persistent storage and this means we should be looking at a pretty good battery life, or they'll have provided us with a really lame battery to save money *shrugs*.
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I don't understand your comment here; the datasheet clearly shows that the OMAP 850 is a dual-core CPU. The "primary" core is an ARM926 which will be used to run the OS, apps, etc. The "secondary" core is actually a multi-core which contains an ARM7 coupled with a C54 DSP to do all GSM/GPRS baseband processing.
True, only a single core will be used for the OS, but with Xscale phone designs a single core handles BOTH the OS and the GSM processing.
On another note, it makes little sense to compare CPUs of two different architectures (Xscale and OMAP) solely by their clock speeds, as in many cases the amount of work that can be performed on one CPU in a given clock cycle is different than another CPU.
Given that the "primary" core on the OMAP 850 is dediciated 100% to the OS, along with it's dual-core nature allowing to simultaneously process the GSM baseband and the OS, I think this CPU is up to the task. I don't think it will outperform the Xscale (especially at higher clock speeds), but I don't think it's gonna be a dog either.

Hah, you're right... I read ARM7 MCU as ARM9 MCU and assumed it was just the Memory Control Unit for the ARM9 processor... then I looked again and saw that there is a memory control unit for both processors in another layer (that and the fact that a memory control unit in the GSM/GPRS controller makes no damned sense at all). My bad, I'm ill with a fever in bed at the moment so cut me some slack ;p
So yes, we have an ARM7 and an ARM926...
Even though it isnt technically fair to compare the processors on clock-speed alone, we still know the OMAP will lose out because Xscale is a technological advancement... plain "ARM9" will be slower.
I agree with you, I dont think it will be terrible. I made do with a 133MHz SH-3 device for a good few years... and SH3 processors were horribly slow.

my head is spinning but I do thank you for your informed replies! so it is dual core afterall... that's re-assuring I read in a preview in one of the dutch/swedish/netherlands (not sure which) ethusiast site that it was zippy... but then again they might have not loaded it with alot of stuff. I also saw the video at WM.no and it seemed zippy... really waiting for a full review from our friends with fast access to cool new gadgets.... yooohooo!

Yeah, thanks for the info.... I apologize then, I couldn't read out the schematics on the TI site, I just look at the navigation tab and saw that the OMAP 850 falls in the category of Modems and Applications, where as the OMAP 1510 falls in the category of High-Performance... So based on that I extract an assumption, TI reserved the dual core chip for their higher performing chipset.
I agree wholeheartedly with OMAP as the most efficient (power wise) proc available today though. But I'd prefer [email protected] powering the wizard... At least I have tried overclocking my Treo to 400MHz without any problem... I expect my next Windows Mobile powered device to be powerfull yet still manage a full day's of usage.
It's basically down to the usage of the device. Probably HTC did a research a while back that Magician user doesn't fully utilised their device to the max, so that HTC can cut production cost by a little for using the TI processors... Well, that's my two cent. At least all Magician user here in my country are ladies and girls who doesn't know how to reset the device... Left alone installed something... They just use the device as-is.

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wow that's great news for you guys over there in the US! wish we had the same news here... but I'd suspect we'd be a bit late as usual!

I got to play with the Atrix yesterday...

So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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I must add though that the build quality seemed excellent and it's nice size phone with perfect weight. It's a nice product don't get me wrong.

lowspeed said:
So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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I hope you have your anti-flame forcefield on, because you are about to get thrashed with flames from every angle. The usual suspects are gonna give you the business and tell you how your opinion is not even close to being correct.......even though its your opinion. lol

Who flames in the EVO section. He just said my EVO is better. Thanks I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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novanosis85 said:
Who flames in the EVO section. He just said my EVO is better. Thanks I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Just wait and see....

lowspeed said:
So i'll start with the good, the screen is really nice.
The bad:
Not 4.3 even though it's higher res, it's nice to have larger size text.
I launched google maps and I wanted to see how the 2 finger rotating worked on both. It actually worked better on the EVO. You would think with a powerful cpu the atrix would be able to rotate with no lag...
Anyway, we're not missing much (It probably is better at 3D games which i don't normally do on my phone)
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You're in denial. It's a defense mechanism, so don't worry.
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The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.

detusueno said:
The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.
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LOL.......

All I know about motorola is that their buld quality seems really solid. I don't care for Blur, but root solves that. The phone seems like a winner.
My buddy had an original Droid, was playing Pandora one day while we were about 25 feet in the air on a boom lift... dropped that sucker and all it did was pop the battery door off and scratch it a little... still worked like a charm.
Sadly, if I dropped my EVO from that Height.. it's smartphone heaven. I do still love my EVO tho

detusueno said:
The OP is spot on.
65nm single core a8 1ghz snap dragon with no name gpu > 40nm dual core a9 1ghz tegra with nvidia gpu
1500 mah battery > 1930 mah battery
512mb of ram > 1gb of ram
480x800 resolution > 960x540 resolution
1 gb of internal storage > 16 gb of internal storage
the atrix is not even close.
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The actual core of the cpu is an a8 cortex. I believe Google maps doesn't use much of the gpu, and Android and Android apps might not be able to make much use of multiple cores or threads.

vbetts said:
The actual core of the cpu is an a8 cortex. I believe Google maps doesn't use much of the gpu, and Android and Android apps might not be able to make much use of multiple cores or threads.
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the tegra 2 uses cortex a9 cores. but your probably right that android currently isn't optimized for the tegra2/dual core.

Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.

bet if the atrix said evo and sprint on it you would think the world of it and go into the land of iphony and preach its gospel to the unenlightened

nabbed said:
Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.
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Also its encrypted bootloader is definately a turn off. Wont be much development with it and it will go in the way of the milestone, droid X and other moto locked crapola.

nabbed said:
Atrix suffers from one severe limitation, which for many will be a complete deal breaker - ATT + their awesome atrix premium charges for using the atrix functionality.
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Is that like the $10 premium data plan we pay for?

spiicytuna said:
Is that like the $10 premium data plan we pay for?
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...and we get 500 kb/s 3g in return. thanks sprint!

detusueno said:
...and we get 500 kb/s 3g in return. thanks sprint!
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I have noticed that 3g is incredibly slow, something changed. It used to be very fast.

lowspeed said:
I have noticed that 3g is incredibly slow, something changed. It used to be very fast.
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yup, two years ago i used to brag about how fast sprint 3g was. gizmodo even rated them as having the fastest 3g of all carriers. then hspa+ came and t-mo/at&t passed us which was bad enough, but then sprint's 3g just took a complete nose dive over the last couple of months. what the hell is up with that? sprint's 3g is no where near as competitive with anyone anymore.

NewZJ said:
bet if the atrix said evo and sprint on it you would think the world of it and go into the land of iphony and preach its gospel to the unenlightened
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Preach on brother! Can I get an amen?
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Not with a locked bootloader because all of the good Dev's on here would not be supporting it, so it really wouldn't be worth it. No CM7 Love or probably fresh or anyone else.

GLBenchmark HTC ONE only 34 FPS @ Egypt HD 1080P Offscreen

HTC ONE GLBenchmark only scores 34 FPS at 1080P offscreen, this is much lower than the Samsung SHV-E300s which scores 41.3 FPS, both using Snapdragon 600, in the same test. IRC HTC One is using LPDDR2 RAM, so are we seeing a lack of bandwidth compared to the Samsung which may use LPDDR3, which is supported by the S600.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One

how do you know HTC One uses LPDDR2 memory

kultus said:
how do you know HTC One uses LPDDR2 memory
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http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6754/hands-on-with-the-htc-one-formerly-m7/2

Turbotab said:
HTC ONE GLBenchmark only scores 34 FPS at 1080P offscreen, this is much lower than the Samsung SHV-E300s which scores 41.3 FPS, both using Snapdragon 600, in the same test. IRC HTC One is using LPDDR2 RAM, so are we seeing a lack of bandwidth compared to the Samsung which may use LPDDR3, which is supported by the S600.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One
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My first question would be is how they even got a benchmark of the SHV-E300?

Xistance said:
My first question would be is how they even got a benchmark of the SHV-E300?
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How do any results appear on GLbenchmark?
I believe with GLBenchmark, that if you don't register / login before running the test, it automatically uploads to their server for public viewing, so maybe it was done intentionally, or somebody forgot to login?

fp581 said:
he is spamming all around the htc one just look at his posts plz ban him from posting in any htc forum ever again.
he probably works in sony nokia or samsung
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Who are you talking about?

sorry wrong person i'll delete that lest one.
but i would love pics of that benchmark for proof

fp581 said:
sorry wrong person i'll delete that lest one.
but i would love pics of that benchmark for proof
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Dude I was going to go atomic, I admit it I have a terrible temper
I believe the benchmark was run by a German Android site, called Android Next, there is a video on Youtube, the GLBenchmark starts at 2.22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl1dmNhhcXs&list=UUan0vBtcwISsThTNo2uZxSQ&index=1

thanks turbo for advanced my knoledge...what a shame they didnt choose LPDDR3 but i think its nt issue these days

Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.

Maedhros said:
Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.
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GLBenchmark is a test of GPU performance, and isn't really changed by CPU clockkspeed, but it is affected by bandwidth.
As a test, I downclocked my Nexus 7 from an overclocked 1.6 GHz to just 1.15 GHz, I ran GLBench and got 10 FPS. I then ran at the test again but with CPU at 1.6 GHz, the result, 10 FPS again.
I've benched the N7 with both CPU & GPU overclocked to the same level as Transformer Infinity, which gets 13 FPS, but I always get 10 FPS, the reason my N7 has lower memory bandwidth than the Transformer Infinity, because it use slower RAM and thus has less bandwidth. That is a difference of 30% in FPS, just because of lower bandwidth.
I read that LPDDR3 starts at 800 MHz or 12.8 GB/s in dual-channel configuration, whereas LPDDR2 maxs at 533 MHz or 8.5 GB/s max bandwidth in dual-channel configuration.

Turbotab said:
GLBenchmark is a test of GPU performance, and isn't really changed by CPU clockkspeed, but it is affected by bandwidth.
As a test, I downclocked my Nexus 7 from an overclocked 1.6 GHz to just 1.15 GHz, I ran GLBench and got 10 FPS. I then ran at the test again but with CPU at 1.6 GHz, the result, 10 FPS again.
I've benched the N7 with both CPU & GPU overclocked to the same level as Transformer Infinity, which gets 13 FPS, but I always get 10 FPS, the reason my N7 has lower memory bandwidth than the Transformer Infinity, because it use slower RAM and thus has less bandwidth. That is a difference of 30% in FPS, just because of lower bandwidth.
I read that LPDDR3 starts at 800 MHz or 12.8 GB/s in dual-channel configuration, whereas LPDDR2 maxs at 533 MHz or 8.5 GB/s max bandwidth in dual-channel configuration.
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In that case the results are quite disappointing.

All these fantastic new phones, and so much disappointment.
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Tomatoes8 said:
They could have used faster memory for the same price if they didn't cut off Samsung as a supplier. Makes you wonder where their priorities lie. Making the best products possible or just going with the motions.
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No one is going to take anything you say here seriously, as you've managed to have 2 threads closed in the last 30 mins. One of those inane posts you made involved you saying that HTC is going to be paying, according to your genius calculation, 20% of their profits to Apple (I forget what insanely unintelligent reason you gave). Yeah, because being able to completely migrate data from 1 completely different phone to another is such a bad idea for a company that wants to push their product.
So, what is the per unit cost of what HTC is paying for RAM now vs. what they could have gotten from Samsung? Exactly, you have no idea. I also didn't hear anything about HTC "cutting off" Samsung as a supplier, but maybe I missed it, so I google'd "htc cut off samsung supplier" and found 2 links...
http://tech2.in.com/news/smartphones/following-apple-htc-cuts-component-orders-from-samsung/505402
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121009PD213.html
I'm not sure if you have the capability of reading or not, but I'll spoon feed you this information, ok hunny? I've taken the info from the 1st link, since there is more there.
After Apple Inc slashed its orders for memory chips for its new iPhone from major supplier and competitor, Samsung Electronics Co Ltd, HTC too has reportedly cut down on its smartphone component orders from the South Korean company.
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So, Apple cut down on memory orders. You know, they are the one's who make the iPhone? Have a logo of an Apple on their products? Steve Jobs was the CEO before he died. Anyway, I'll continue...
According to a report by DigiTimes, HTC has reduced its orders from Samsung, and instead opted to order CMOS image sensors from OmniVision and Sony. The company has also chosen to move part of its AMOLED panel orders to AU Optronics, DigiTimes reported citing ‘sources’.
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Notice it said that HTC reduced its orders from Samsung, specifically on the image sensors (that's for the camera, if you didn't know) and the screen. You know, the thing on the front of your phone that you touch to make it do things? You know what I mean, right? I encourage you to read this link (or possibly have someone read it to you)...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reduce
The point is that reduce isn't the same as cut off. Cutting off would require HTC not ordering ANYTHING from Samsung. Guess what? The One doesn't use an OmniVision CMOS sensor (don't forget, that's what the camera uses) or an AMOLED screen (the bright part of your phone that shows you info).
Also, this is a far better designed phone, especially in regards to hardware, than anything Samsung has ever produced. I went back to my EVO 4G LTE, mainly because I couldn't stand the terrible build quality of the Note 2. It just feels like a cheap toy. And, IMO, Sense is far better than TW. Samsung may have the market right now because of the Galaxy line of products, but that doesn't mean that HTC is out of the game by any means.
Seriously, attempt to use just a bit of intelligence before opening your mouth and spewing diarrhea throughout the One forums. As the saying goes: "it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're an idiot, then to open your mouth and prove it". Unfortunately for you, it's too late.

I really think Turbo was too hasty to open a new thread for this as we've been discussing this in the mega thread
http://www.glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&D=HTC+One
It scores 34fps in Egypt HD 1080p offscreen, while the leaked Samsung s600 device socres 41fps which is perfectly inline with Qualcomm's promised speed (3x Adreno 225)
here is a video of what I suspect the source of the benchmark, because we had no benchmark before it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl1dmNhhcXs
notice how the battery is almost at end (HTC bar at this stage means its in the last 25%) also notice the activity in the notification area
more important the post ran more than a few full benchmarks, like quadrant before running GL benchmark, this alone is enough to lower the score, especially since Adreno 320 was known to throttle in the Nexus 4
I think benchmarks scores should not be relied on in such events, especially with hundreds of hands messing with the device, we have learned from the One X launch where videos poped up showing horrible performance from the One X, eventually turned out to be were very far from the final device in ur hands
finally both the One X and Nexus 7 at the same gpu clock, but the first is DDR2 and the second is DDR3, score the same in GL Benchmark
in other words its worrying but it's best to wait for proper testers like Anand

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But...
I just wonder that a Samsung phone uses high end parts from Qualcomm instead of Samsungs processors. But I am not in Samsung devices so far, so I would not judge this
Gz
Eddi

Here's a second video also showing Egypt off screen bench at 34FPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijp79uCwFg
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Maedhros said:
Just to temper this news, we must remeber that the HTC One is running at 1.7ghz, while the Samsung device is running at 1.9.
Although 200mhz does not seem like much, it could possibly account for the 7 fps difference when u factor in the difference in UI.
If in fact the Samsung device really has DDR3 ram, and the difference (after accounting for clock speed) is 2-3 fps, I can understand why HTC opted not to include it. Was not worth the extra cost most likely.
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So you're saying that 200mhz o the CPU can account for 7 fps on a GPU test?
Following what you said, the Nexus 4 should have scored 27 fps? Since it has 200mhz less...
But no, it scored 33.7...only 0.3 fps less than the One!
And you know why? First both use the same GPU (and it's what counts for a graphic test) and second the HTC phones are always slower due to Sense!
So stop *****ing and realize that the One is no god phone

Samsung device is running 4.2.1

[Q] Omni Rom for Galaxy Fame (GT-S6810)

Hello!
Should we wait for Omni Rom on Samsung Galaxy Fame (S6810)?
Please, we (all fame's users) need this ROM.
Thanks.

aps23 said:
Hello!
Should we wait for Omni Rom on Samsung Galaxy Fame (S6810)?
Please, we (all fame's users) need this ROM.
Thanks.
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The usual answer applies as it does for any device:
It will be supported if someone picks up the device and chooses to support it.
That said, given its specifications (especially the display resolution) - very unlikely.

Thanks
Entropy512 said:
The usual answer applies as it does for any device:
It will be supported if someone picks up the device and chooses to support it.
That said, given its specifications (especially the display resolution) - very unlikely.
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Hello! Thank you for your answer.
Here is all Galaxy Fame's features:
Also available as Samsung Galaxy Fame S6810P with NFC.
GENERAL 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - GT-S6810
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - GT-S6812 (SIM 1 & SIM 2)
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
SIM Optional Dual SIM (Mini-SIM)
Announced 2013, February
Status Available. Released 2013, March
BODY Dimensions 113.2 x 61.6 x 11.6 mm (4.46 x 2.43 x 0.46 in)
Weight 120.6 g (4.23 oz)
DISPLAY Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 256K colors
Size 320 x 480 pixels, 3.5 inches (~165 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
SOUND Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
MEMORY Card slot microSD, up to 64 GB
Internal 4 GB, 512 MB RAM
DATA GPRS Yes
EDGE Yes
Speed HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi hotspot, Wi-Fi Direct
Bluetooth Yes, v4.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes (S6810P model only)
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
CAMERA Primary 5 MP, 2592х1944 pixels, autofocus, LED flash, check quality
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes, VGA
FEATURES OS Android OS, v4.1.2 (Jelly Bean)
CPU 1 GHz
Sensors Accelerometer, proximity, compass
Messaging SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML
Radio Stereo FM radio with RDS, FM recording
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support and GLONASS
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors White, Blue
- SNS integration
- MP4/WMV/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/FLAC player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa
- Voice memo/dial
- Predictive text input
BATTERY Li-Ion 1300 mAh battery
Stand-by Up to 420 h (2G) / Up to 380 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 8 h 40 min (2G) / Up to 6 h 10 min (3G)
MISC SAR US 1.46 W/kg (head) 0.94 W/kg (body)
SAR EU 0.83 W/kg (head) 0.35 W/kg (body)
Price group About 120 EUR
TESTS Display Contrast ratio: 906:1 (nominal) / 1.245:1 (sunlight)
Loudspeaker Voice 66dB / Noise 64dB / Ring 75dB
Audio quality Noise -87.8dB / Crosstalk -88.5dB
Camera Photo
Battery life Endurance rating 33h
English is not my native language, so....there could be some problems with understanding. Excuse me...
As i could add....all users of this phone need custom ROM, because there is NO castom for this device....no cyanogenmod and so on,...we just use 4.1.2 (stock) without any chance to update(((((((((

The biggest problem is the display resolution. No AOSP derivative I know of has ever supported a device with resolution that low since Jellybean.
Second might be what CPU it has - Install Android System Info from the Play Store, go to System->CPU and tell me what it says for:
CPU implementer
CPU architecture
CPU variant
CPU part
CPU revision
Hardware
(these will all be together in the information)

This is all.
Cpu implementer 0x41
Cpu architecture 7
Cpu variant 0x2
Cpu part 0xc09
Cpu rev 9
Hardware rhea_ss_nevis
I see 4.3 on galacy ace. As i know
..it has the same screen...

It will greate if omni will help us to feel all new goods of android 4.4. As i know it should be better for devices with low memory and so on. So..please help us.
Excuse me for my bad english...
Sent from my GT-S6810 using xda app-developers app

EntrPlease said:
The biggest problem is the display resolution. No AOSP derivative I know of has ever supported a device with resolution that low since Jellybean.
Second might be what CPU it has - Install Android System Info from the Play Store, go to System->CPU and tell me what it says for:
CPU implementer
CPU architecture
CPU variant
CPU part
CPU revision
Hardware
(these will all be together in the information)
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Yes, please, make ROM.*
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CWM for Samsung Galaxy Fame
Perhaps is useful!
CWM 6 For Samsung Galaxy Fame by nemorus63

misha_android said:
Perhaps is useful!
CWM 6 For Samsung Galaxy Fame by nemorus63
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Not useful.
CWM is <1% of the work needed to bring up a device even when that device has a currently supported chipset. CWM is also reasonably chipset-independent - as long as the manufacturer didn't implement a really screwy framebuffer driver it is fairly easy to port. 90% of the time it can be "ported" using Recovery Builder.
The BCM21654G in the Fame is not supported by any opensource firmware project in existence and Broadcom is notoriously unfriendly towards open source. Supporting this chip would likely be even more difficult than supporting MTK devices has been.

So....you mean that we will not see omni castom rom on our devices((((((?
Sent from my GT-S6810 using xda app-developers app

So, what should we do?
Sent from my GT-S6810 using xda app-developers app

Entropy512 said:
Not useful.
CWM is <1% of the work needed to bring up a device even when that device has a currently supported chipset. CWM is also reasonably chipset-independent - as long as the manufacturer didn't implement a really screwy framebuffer driver it is fairly easy to port. 90% of the time it can be "ported" using Recovery Builder.
The BCM21654G in the Fame is not supported by any opensource firmware project in existence and Broadcom is notoriously unfriendly towards open source. Supporting this chip would likely be even more difficult than supporting MTK devices has been.
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Please do not say "no." I know it's very hard. But we'll be around helps. Please!

So, give please an answer to us. Should we wait for omni rom on our devices or it is impossible for u to support us?
Thanks.
Sent from my GT-S6810 using xda app-developers app

aps23 said:
So, give please an answer to us. Should we wait for omni rom on our devices or it is impossible for u to support us?
Thanks.
Sent from my GT-S6810 using xda app-developers app
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None of us own a device. Blind development is impossible.
If support for the device is to come from anyone, it will be from someone who already owns the device.
That's the power of open source - the power is in YOUR hands.

Entropy512 said:
None of us own a device. Blind development is impossible.
If support for the device is to come from anyone, it will be from someone who already owns the device.
That's the power of open source - the power is in YOUR hands.
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You have to be fearless testers That will quickly test all!

misha_android said:
You have to be fearless testers That will quickly test all!
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Fearless testers or not, blind development doesn't work except for very rare cases (such as a device that is already entirely brought up and is 99% identical to a supported device).
For a raw bringup, the build/upload/wait for testers cycle pretty much kills any possibility of success - anyone who thinks they have any chances of success doing an initial bringup blind are deluded. It's time consuming enough to do build/flash/test...

Entropy512 said:
Fearless testers or not, blind development doesn't work except for very rare cases (such as a device that is already entirely brought up and is 99% identical to a supported device).
For a raw bringup, the build/upload/wait for testers cycle pretty much kills any possibility of success - anyone who thinks they have any chances of success doing an initial bringup blind are deluded. It's time consuming enough to do build/flash/test...
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And if you will have a device that you take for it? We for example, try to help Donate.

misha_android said:
And if you will have a device that you take for it? We for example, try to help Donate.
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Not me. Two reasons:
1) I'm already finding myself with not enough time to handle Omni leadership and the devices I already own - ESPECIALLY not for a device that is a completely unsupported platform in any AOSP-derivative project. I am not aware of ANYONE that is supporting a Broadcom-based device so far.
2) Unless I see evidence of serious attitude changes from Samsung, I'm done with them, the only Samsungs I'm supporting are my old exynos4 clunkers and (as many exynos4 users will tell you), those devices are dead last on my list.

Entropy512 said:
Not me. Two reasons:
1) I'm already finding myself with not enough time to handle Omni leadership and the devices I already own - ESPECIALLY not for a device that is a completely unsupported platform in any AOSP-derivative project. I am not aware of ANYONE that is supporting a Broadcom-based device so far.
2) Unless I see evidence of serious attitude changes from Samsung, I'm done with them, the only Samsungs I'm supporting are my old exynos4 clunkers and (as many exynos4 users will tell you), those devices are dead last on my list.
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My life has lost its meaning :crying:

misha_android said:
My life has lost its meaning :crying:
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you phone works. It's software might not be up to date, but so is it's hardware. When buying a phone you already have to factor in the compatibility to custom ROMs.
I can understand that this is not what you wanted to hear, but unfortunately that is how it is.

[SPECS] Sony Xperia Z5 Compact Specifications

Hey all
This thread is for general discussions regarding the hardware specifications and design features of the Sony Xperia Z5 Compact. It seems like this compact device has some good specs, how do owners rate the Z5?
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Specifications:
Display - IPS LCD, 4.6 inches, 720 x 1280 pixels (~323 ppi pixel density)
Chipset - Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
CPU - Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2 GHz Cortex-A57
GPU - Adreno 430
RAM - 2 GB
Memory - 32 GB, microSD
Camera - 23 MP, 5520 х 4140 pixels, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera - 5.1 MP
Sensors - Fingerprint, accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspot, Bluetooth v4.1
Battery - 2700 mAh
Dimensions - 127 x 65 x 8.9 mm
Weight - 138 g
Color Availability - White, Graphite Black, Yellow, Coral

i really like the performance so far but 2 small qualms
1. camera is not actually as good as i expected it to be. its better than my previous phone (iphone 4) but not as good as i expected given the specs
2. battery life is terrible. i can see from the android battery log app that this is due to the device barely going to sleep.. i get like 7-8 hours of battery life per day with max 30 min screen time, my iphone 4 in contrast i would charge every 2 days or so. need to root the device to use apps that could help me determine which service is keeping it awake which sucks.. don't really want to void my warranty just yet!

Does anybody know specifically what MicroSD cards are supported?
UHS-I?
UHS-II?
All I have managed to find is MicroSDXC.

mediafellow said:
i really like the performance so far but 2 small qualms
1. camera is not actually as good as i expected it to be. its better than my previous phone (iphone 4) but not as good as i expected given the specs
2. battery life is terrible. i can see from the android battery log app that this is due to the device barely going to sleep.. i get like 7-8 hours of battery life per day with max 30 min screen time, my iphone 4 in contrast i would charge every 2 days or so. need to root the device to use apps that could help me determine which service is keeping it awake which sucks.. don't really want to void my warranty just yet!
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Did you just say 30 mins screen time? That is TOO less. Turn of location services and turn off "Scanning Always Available" under Wifi>Advanced Settings.
Also, turn off STAMINA. Go through another cycle and see if it improves

alxace said:
Does anybody know specifically what MicroSD cards are supported?
UHS-I?
UHS-II?
All I have managed to find is MicroSDXC.
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All Z1 ~ Z5 max. at 40MB/s read or write limited by the card reader chip which Sony used.

Sadman Khan said:
Did you just say 30 mins screen time? That is TOO less. Turn of location services and turn off "Scanning Always Available" under Wifi>Advanced Settings.
Also, turn off STAMINA. Go through another cycle and see if it improves
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thanks for your suggestion last 2 days i've done full battery cycle per day, stamina mode not in use at all and both location services and those wifi options i have had switched off since the day i got the phone (almost 1 week now).
today i have tried this https://docs.google.com/presentatio...F7z06_ysl1kUKME4/edit#slide=id.g25a03f28e_013 to help me enable root access to use wakelock detector. from this it was revealed that some 'calendar storage' app and 'sony tasks' app are causing my device to stay awake the full time. device taken off charger 9hrs 46min and awake for 9hrs 16min.. that explains why its feeling warm and using so much battery. my next challenge now is to figure out how to actually resolve this error now that i know what is causing it.. have just a few days left until i leave for an overseas trip for a month (the real reason that i upgraded to this phone,for nice camera and waterproof ability). any suggestions on that please?
thanks

TheEndHK said:
All Z1 ~ Z5 max. at 40MB/s read or write limited by the card reader chip which Sony used.
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Hi. Thanks for this. Is this really true? is 40 MB/s enough for 4k video? I suppose it is useless to buy a faster sd card... I wanted to get UHS-II, root my z5 and then merge the internal and external memories - plus add another 4gb of ram.

slakbas said:
Hi. Thanks for this. Is this really true? is 40 MB/s enough for 4k video? I suppose it is useless to buy a faster sd card... I wanted to get UHS-II, root my z5 and then merge the internal and external memories - plus add another 4gb of ram.
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Yes it's all true(not sure about X Compact), 40MB/s = 320Mbit/s ....
Any UHS-I U3 is enough for 40MB/s. I recommend Sandisk since it got the best compability with Sony in my experiences, Samsung is great too.
How to add another 4GB of ram? you plan to change the ram module physically?

TheEndHK said:
Yes it's all true(not sure about X Compact), 40MB/s = 320Mbit/s ....
Any UHS-I U3 is enough for 40MB/s. I recommend Sandisk since it got the best compability with Sony in my experiences, Samsung is great too.
How to add another 4GB of ram? you plan to change the ram module physically?
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he meant with ROOT you can do swap file with fast SD\INTERNAL MEMORY
i did it with my previous sony
it helped alot with heavy apps (i had 512MB to 1512MB)
two main cons
1.even with UHS card is still slower then actual ram (maybe sImilar speed to Zram)
you'll feel it while stuff loading and switch between background apps you didnt close
2.it kill the SD card alot faster (happend to me, my 32GB died after 1year(+\-) flash it like SSD\SD goes by "life writes"
soon we will have to do this heavy games like CSR2 taking 1.6 RAM it closed everything even my home screen had 200MB free when , another 200MB and the app would be force closed
add swapRAM on SD, can fix this
sorry for english

Before CPU speeds lowered of course.
So the specs you have, are all before the multiple CPU throttling attempts, to stop the heat and lag.
What is the new speed, is there away to tell, how much they throttle the CPU??
Would SONY have false advertised if the speeds are not what they should be?

About specifications on this phone, Sony advertise it with 2700mAh battery, and reviewers report back with fantastic batterylife; that's a bit of a stretch when it comes to my phone.
Yes, it all depends on the user and how many and what kind of apps are running etc. However, last night I stumbled over the battery health test for my phone - *#*#7378423#*#* - then choose Battery Health test, and it will show you wether or not your battery is healthy/needs to be swapped to a new one. It also shows us the actual size of the battery.
Sony advertised Z5C with 2700mAh, mine shows 2455mAh. If this is not due to degradation over time (which it MIGHT be, anyone???), then it is not really acceptable. I'm not techsavvy enough to know how much those 245mAh will pan out in overall batterylife, maybe someone here are?
Is this just me, or do you guys suffer from the same thing?
Have a nice day