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Hi all,
I'm torn between Desire HD and Galaxy S. Sure the SGS is older, no flash, gps bugs etc, but just had my DesireHD in my hand and it's way too big and heavy. Also review are saying poor battery life.
I don;t mind if i dont have the newest model, as SGS fits nicely in my hand, don;t care much about the flash.
Some questions:
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
I know there's a lot going for SGS2 but don;t think that is coming anytime in next 6 months, which would give me plenty of tiem to accustom my self to Android from Winshite.
Cheers
CEPi said:
Hi all,
I'm torn between Desire HD and Galaxy S. Sure the SGS is older, no flash, gps bugs etc, but just had my DesireHD in my hand and it's way too big and heavy. Also review are saying poor battery life.
I don;t mind if i dont have the newest model, as SGS fits nicely in my hand, don;t care much about the flash.
Some questions:
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
I know there's a lot going for SGS2 but don;t think that is coming anytime in next 6 months, which would give me plenty of tiem to accustom my self to Android from Winshite.
Cheers
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1/ yes/no its not perfect for gps, lag is fixed with custom stuff
2/as per 1/ once fixed speed and all are pretty good
in a nutshell:
- gps isnt all that good even if its been vastly improved
- phone is very fast once fixed but battery life is slightly lower (should still be much better than the DHD in that area i guess..)
HTC Desire HD has inferior GPU, camera recorder, sound quality, display, etc..
I would recommend to wait a little.. For *an official large scale* Froyo release because the current JP6 (which was official for Scandinavia) suck in terms of performance.
If you browse a lot this can be very annoying. Applied voodoo lag fix => didn't fix stalls (lag) problems (yeah wiped data/cache)
Cons Froyo:
- browser issues: high RAM/CPU consumption. sometimes the phone stalls just having the stock browser opened on background. other big problem is the HIGH memory consumption combined with even less free RAM avaiable in Froyo. Many times the browser got self closed (even when it was active, in foreground!!) and/or applications in background (even the stock launcher)
- performance of stock launcher is not good if you have some amount of apps installed (eg: slide between apps pages, helicopter view, etc.. doesn't matter if you use live wallpers or not)
- laggy swype
- lags when scrolling in call history (I think I've got >= 500 entries)
- cannot say to much about gps, yesterday was the first time I've tested it in car.. and my position was completely not accurate. it may be also the software (igo) which lags a lot on froyo (in eclair it was ok), hardly you can set your destination.. it lags in menus too.
- again, even less ram available
Android issues:
- slow code execution (apps load time)
- high memory consumption
That's because of the internal design of Android... running the apps in a JVM . Why not native apps like WebOS, Maemo?
Those are the main issues I personally found very annoying in Froyo.. If you don't browse, don't write with skype (haven't tested with samsung keyword), don't use/like touch wiz lauchen, then the phone is quite good in terms of speed.
@bilboa1 aren't you experiencing those issues? Swithcing to a FS doesn't fix the bugs in the apps..
I have had my galaxy s for a couple of months and flashed to JP6 when it was out, I used it for a few days and then flashed back to eclair due to the same issues as you mention. Not being able to have anything 'minimized' to the background while browsing due to the amount of memory being used was a no no! Anyway, I have been seriously considering the desire hd myself, but the battery capacity has so far really put me off, I barely get 8 hours of life out of my galaxy on some days, so on a hd, it would be less than that I suspect. I keep looking around xda for posts to convince me not to get a desire hd, its slowly working, but not quite yet.
these are the fixes i applied for froyo which gives a (very) satisfying performance in my eyes:
(alls files can be found in the dev section)
- flash JM8 + 512 PIT
- flash JP6 + 803 PIT
- factory reset
- reboot in recovery
- flash ULF (universal lag fix)
- enable advanced lag fix ext4
- enable all tweaks
- enable BLN (backlight notification)
- enable root
- reboot - choose backup & restore (or not, since its factory, doesnt make a big diff), wait a bit
- copy battery mod for JP6 (version D for me) to /sdcard/
- copy stock android lock screen for JP6 to /sdcard/
- copy galaxy tab browser file to /sdcard/
- adb shell
$ su
# umount -oremount,rw /dev/block/stl9 /system
# cd /system/apps
remove some useless samsung apps to free space
replace the battery graphics
# cp /sdcard/framework-res.apk /system/framework/framwork-res.apk
do the same for lock screen, browser file.. (paths are specified, i don't remember them by heart)
# sync
# reboot
- in browser options, set the plugins to "on demand"
- in account sync options, disable auto sync (keep background data) - this alone doubles the battery life and doesnt make a real diff
- replace touchwizz by your launcher of choice, i personally use Launcher Pro Plus
- install "vignette" if you want higher quality pictures from the camera
about the gps:
- make sure you enable the function that let it use the wireless networks (agps)
- install compass and setup the compass as indicated when you start it, then quit
- enable sensors aiding for the gps, done
- it locks (very) fast
- its pretty accurate now
- it loses all satellites from time to time then relock so u lose a few seconds of tracking (the biggest/only real issue IMO)
enjoy
ps: the difference with the DHD, except hardware differences, is probably that the DHD won't neeed nearly as much handwork to work "properly".....
Thanks bilboa1 for your informative post but unfortunately this does not fix my problems.
I like TouchWiz launcher, it's very practical (used to be TouchPro fan too before ). Actually I find Samsung software implementations more useful per-total than HTC ones (HTC Sense, yes, I've been an HTCSense user in past)
Also, I've read that the galaxy tab browser lib doesn't fix the problem with high memory consumption, so didn't bothered to overwrite the file.
Browser has already plugins on demand. It doesn't make a difference if it's off or on-demand (in my tests with high memory consumption)..
If I disable auto sync how do I get my gmail, twitter, etc automatically? I've accidentally disabled it and didn't get any mail, twitter, etc automatically.
GPS lock is fast.. but not accurate here. Maybe it was the software (iGo)
Depends if you want a phone that just works or do you like tinkering and chance of file curruption every 3 weeks. Sgs schocking battery problems once you install a lag fix. In my experience when using oclf the sgs uses 15% of power per HR at Max of 3hrs usage on 3G. If using voodoo lag fix then power drains at 20-30‰ and about 2hr's at 3G. If I was you I would wait for something better and forget the sgs ever existed. I have heard the epic 4G is a good device with non of the sgs problems but sadly it's a cdma phone. Also HTC seems to release roms more frequently and there's better support for them. Also doesn't the desire HD use 2nd Gen snapdragon? Means clock for clock they (g2 @800MHz is said to be as fast in benchmarks as 1ghz hummingbirds )are faster and also froyo is already optimized for it unlike our poor hummingbird cpus
If I could I would in a second swap my sgs for a HTC desire HD or HTC g2
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I have voodoo lagfix on eclair. My battery drains 1.3% per hour on standby with 3G/data/sync=ON and many widgets that update hourly like weather, stock, facebook, twitter.
Active use with screen on and internet surfing battery drain is about 23% per hour which is kind of normal. My Iphone 3GS/HTC Touch HD also drain around this amount during active use.
So those with huge drain, the problem lies somewhere else (not with lagfix)
Galaxy battery is not bad at all for heavy users. My phone uptime of 20 hours with 3 hours of active use + 1 hr of call+(sync/widgets etc).
Light use should last for 2 days.
Don't do it man, life's worth living!!!
Seriously though, I've tried every bloody fix out there, every last tweak for the last 3 months... And I'm selling this pos as soon as I find a good deal. Granted, sometimes it's fast, but then it crashes... Sometimes the gps works, But then it gets confused... The mic is total ****, but the screen is beautiful, so you have nice colours to look at while it randomly cracks out.
If you don't want to wait, get the dhd and a couple extra batteries. Or, for smaller hands just get a bloody iphone or one of the older desire variants.
This hardware's great, the dhd's is better... And the software works!!! Hear that samsung!? It actually works!!!... Aside from the proximity sensor...
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Thanks a lot guys. Sorry to hear that basic problems are still persisting, even thought great effort has been made by community devs to iron them. I'll hold till next generation of phones come up in Q1 2011.
Cheers and good luck
CEPi said:
Thanks a lot guys. Sorry to hear that basic problems are still persisting, even thought great effort has been made by community devs to iron them. I'll hold till next generation of phones come up in Q1 2011.
Cheers and good luck
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Only phone I'd currently recommend is the iPhone 4. The SGS is still having some issues and doesn't work right out of the box. Guess we'll have to wait for gingerbread in order to get a version of android that just works.
I'm using stock kernel, no rooting, to lagfix, with latest available Firmware
I don't have any "lag" issue,
GPS works pretty good, fast fix, not that much "jerking around" and sharktooth when recording maps.
Camera is pretty much amazing, I can't realy beleive how much "night mode" works!
HD Video recording is pretty much tha bomb!
Works pretty sweet with my BlueTooth headset (S9-HD)
Gaming is amazing, fast and cool graphs!
it runs android, so you're not "controlled" by what the all mighty-all knowing Apple
So, I would definitively buy the same thing!
I don't know what some of these guys are talking about.
1. Have the bugs been sorted for SGS i.e gps, lag etc with updates and custom roms here? I don't mind flashing as i have a TouchHD and i flash it often.
GPS has not been 'perfectly' fixed. A lot of people report different results. It has never worked well for me. Fortunately, on a personal level, I have never become over-dependent on GPS and am generally good with reading maps. I can use the GPS to get a general fix of where I am and use my eyes to figure out where to go.
Aside from GPS however - I can't think of any bugs that haven't been fixed. Almost every custom ROM includes its own lagfix, all of which work perfectly. I use darkyy's ROM and it comes with Voodoo, which is absolutely brilliant.
2. Do custom roms make it smooth and nice how it should be and based on peoples reviews here with Fixes many are happy with speed.
Well, I kinda answered this above. The lagfixes are brilliant and do exactly what Samsung should have done themselves. My phone flies now without even needing a task killer.
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I often say that I would always recommend one out of 3 phones to anyone that asks depending on how technical they are. If they are a casual user that likes the latest hardware and biggest screens - get the DHD. If they are also a casual user that perhaps would prefer a slightly smaller and more compact phone, get the Desire Z. If they are a techie and want the best of everything (minus GPSlol) - get the SGS.
You sound like a techie. Unless you absolutely need GPS, get the SGS.
jp6 deodexed, zipaligned, 327meg kernel, advanced lagfix ext4, all tweaks.....gives me insane performance! applications load up instantly, its just as quick as it can ever get! no crashes no instability
just wished samsung would give us a stock rom which is as good as this!
GPS still sucks....little laggy, and sometimes inaccurate...not totally unusable though. samsung sure screwed up on the hardware, theres no doubt about that
dreamtheater39 said:
jp6 deodexed, zipaligned, 327meg kernel, advanced lagfix ext4, all tweaks.....gives me insane performance! applications load up instantly, its just as quick as it can ever get! no crashes no instability
just wished samsung would give us a stock rom which is as good as this!
GPS still sucks....little laggy, and sometimes inaccurate...not totally unusable though. samsung sure screwed up on the hardware, theres no doubt about that
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So basically SGS doesnt work correctly out of the box.
If I pay about 500euro for a phone, I definitly expect that it works flawless.
I wanted this phone badly, but after I have read all bad comments ill pass until they fix all bugs or maybe ill wait for another better Samsung phone (I love Super AMOLED)
i would go for the dhd...i have a sgs but to be honest its a great phone but samsung doesnt provide the support for their products...2.2 and a gps fix were supposed to come in september..then october...now november...the phone is only as good as the software on it, and while the sgs is a beast in terms of processor speed and screen, it lacks the support from samsung...it does lag, gps doesnt work at all for me....
DSF said:
Browser has already plugins on demand. It doesn't make a difference if it's off or on-demand (in my tests with high memory consumption)..
If I disable auto sync how do I get my gmail, twitter, etc automatically? I've accidentally disabled it and didn't get any mail, twitter, etc automatically.
GPS lock is fast.. but not accurate here. Maybe it was the software (iGo)
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I don't really notice a very high memory usage on the browser, maybe i don't browse enough i don't know
when you disable auto sync you still get email automatically (and instantly, via push), for the rest it depends on the apps settings, in my case they all still go get stuff every couple of hours
what sync disable however is contact synchronization, account settings, calendars, and things like that (= things i rly dont need sync more than once a week or smth personally, but i can imagine some ppl need their calendar sync to the minute)
in general battery issues are due to bad software installed on the phone, stock sgs battery life is pretty much incredible in my eyes (the lag bug is also pretty much incredible p)
ps: if i were to buy sgs again i'd do it no doubt. i can understand the less technically inclined going dhd. not without its flaws but no such thing as "lag bug" crap to fix hehe
raf2k said:
So basically SGS doesnt work correctly out of the box.
If I pay about 500euro for a phone, I definitly expect that it works flawless.
I wanted this phone badly, but after I have read all bad comments ill pass until they fix all bugs or maybe ill wait for another better Samsung phone (I love Super AMOLED)
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For some reason i thought the phone id cheaper than that.
Anyway the sgs is perfect. The gps is not as bas as people say. U can still get a lock on and go whatever u want. But honestly. I never tried the gps more thsn once to check if its working and its fine for me.
However. For games. For screen. Nothing and i mean nothing csn come close to sgs. Best screen hands down. Best gpu. All u need to is add voodoo or whatever ur like and ur ready to go. I love the dhd but i am a movie. Gamesband muic junkie. For that the sgs is perfect. Dont let the 4.3 screen fool u on dhd. Its almost the samwle quality as hd2 "there are videos in youtube as a proof even "
I say get what u want but for me. I love the phone for its performance and screen. And galaxy s is perfect
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EDIT:
Huge thanks to solidmac for contributing his/her test result:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...NHdWxMbWc&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html
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Hi everyone.
There are currently three different versions of radios available for Nexus One Froyo roms.
I conducted a test on all these 3 versions: 4.06, 5.08 and 5.12, and I would like to share my test result.
Link to test result:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah8PsMa_NqfedERnUmtBWWdJc19OR3lGcmhvR2psMHc&hl=en
(All using unit kBps, kilo-byte-per-second)
My test strategy:
Test both 2G and H data speed.
Phone is put very close to window, no finger is touching on it during each test.
Results provided by SpeedTest.net application.
Default DNS server is used.
Tests were conducted consecutively.
Very poor results (2 occurrences,once with 508 H, once with 512 2G) are dropped.
About Phone:
Nexus One, purchased on 2nd March
CM6 110022010-nightly
Kernel: 2.6.35-7 925mV CFS AVS AIX 720p-Monks-103010
Environmental information:
Cheltenham, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia,
Cloudy, light wind, no rain,
Full bars signal during testing,
Yes Optus mobile company, APN selected to Yes Internet.
Thank you. I was surprised by these results, but its good to finally se some sort of comparison between the radios...
great data!
thx for the data and now i'm kinda regret flashing 5.12 lol
Interesting....nice to see the comparison stats! thanks
Flashing 512 isn't all that bad it has much better ping results meaning it reaches the website first than all the other ones now the only down side is the marginal dl speed
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That seems to confirm the results I got from switching the radios around.
I'm sticking with the latest though as it's not clear what other changes have been made, but I ten to believe that newer should be better
Base on the test i wonder if the newer radio only mean for the korean network.
Anyway any data for wifi connection?
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kuntau said:
Base on the test i wonder if the newer radio only mean for the korean network.
Anyway any data for wifi connection?
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I actually thought about testing wifi performance
but that probably won't reflex real radio performance since wifi performance is very constant for me no matter which version of radio i use.
also although 4.06 radio gives sometimes better performance, but I feel 5.12 has significant lower power consumption compare to 4.06
these radios show a difference under bad conditions.. OP if you could run an other test in a bad area or create a bad area ( putting the phone in a weak signal area 2-3 bars ) should show clearer results
Great Works, and now I know how to select radio.
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In terms of the ping results you HAVE to omit those 999s, thats not an actual reading of 999, thats saying the reading was 999+ which is not a finite number, so you cant take an average of it.
You've also got such wild spikes of 80% on the H download speeds that, not to put a downer on things, but the results are statistically worthless. You'd have to do a way bigger sample than that.
Since flashing 5.12, I've hardly ever dropped below 3G. I don't really care if it's faster/slower than the others, what matters to me is consistency...
I guess the point I'm making is that you may also wish to look at large packets of data (say 100mb) over a longer duration, and see those kind of results, also?
Of course, network, network loading, location, weather, etc all throw in variables that you can't account for. Only many statistical samples over time can help smooth out the anomolies.
Perhaps my nuclear engineering side is showing?
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danger-rat said:
Since flashing 5.12, I've hardly ever dropped below 3G. I don't really care if it's faster/slower than the others, what matters to me is consistency...
I guess the point I'm making is that you may also wish to look at large packets of data (say 100mb) over a longer duration, and see those kind of results, also?
Of course, network, network loading, location, weather, etc all throw in variables that you can't account for. Only many statistical samples over time can help smooth out the anomolies.
Perhaps my nuclear engineering side is showing?
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Haha, well you ARE correct though, network is inconsistent, especially when there are lots of people using data on the same antenna as you...causes a saturation in the spectrum and slows down speeds...
But I second that...do another test with bigger files (if you ever do another test )
thanks everyone
next time when I get large amount of mobile data I'll test again.
I went ahead and did one today hope it provides enough information if you guys have any questions please ask i will try to provide an answer.
Nexus one 5.08 vs 5.12
Nice chart, decided to stick with 4.06_07
Very brave of you to try all the radios
4xx.x version have bad ping scores compared to the newer versions. So pages queue up faster and search and voice to text are analyzed faster. Also the newer radios are more stable with their speeds especially in the wifi and 3g.
solidmac said:
I went ahead and did one today hope it provides enough information if you guys have any questions please ask i will try to provide an answer.
Nexus one 5.08 vs 5.12
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Hey mate
thanks for your test result
but i was wondering, why do you have test result on 5.09 radio.. did it work on Nexus One? I thought 509 radio was for Desire
I think that was just a typo. Should be 5.08
Hi Guys,
Been reading this forum for quite some time and got the Tab just 12 days back. Now the things is, the Tab is fast overall but I noticed some LAG / performance hit as soon as I switch to a LIVE WALLPAPER. In the home screen, it's all good. But as soon as I pop open the app drawer / menu, I can instantly feel a drop in performance.
Was wondering, a) what might the reason be considering i've seen 600 mhz phones able to do the animations flawlessly b) If there is a fix for this issue?
Also, what is the recommended advice for charging the Tab? I mean, should I charge it as soon as it beeps or wait for about 3-5 % battery? Also, is it ok to keep it connected even after full charge? (because I charge it at night and unplug it when i wake up)
Thanks & Cheers!
For the lag i guess you could try the custom ROM from Development forum. As for charging, I typically charge every 2 days (few phone calls, Exchange sync, browsing, fb, Pandora and ocasionally movies). I would unplug it when it's full (even the power cord). Save the planet and your pocket
I've noticed the lag as well, and honestly can't stand it compared to my HTC Incredible which is flawless. The Samsung notification bar is especially laggy to me. However, I believe that installing a new ROM should fix it. Honestly I think the lag is coming from all the junk that Samsung installs on there. Personally I have a VZW tab and haven't had many options for other Roms (until lately), but overclocking it to 1.2 did help a bit. If you have a GSM tab you have tons of ROM options, so give them a try.
Two days I'm lucky to get a day fro
A full charge tips please .....o. Battery life increase
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The lag thing is no big deal. So you have to wait a second. You should have seen what we put up with when computers were primative.
I'm on Roto's JMI custom Rom and can honestly say I don't ever notice any lag once the tab has booted up fully.
Thanks for all the replies guys! XDA never fails to disappoint
Could you please recommend me a custom rom which would a) address the lag issue b) is fast overall c) The battery life is one of the better ones?
I own a GSM Asian Tab with the following:
Baseband Version : P1000DDJJ1
Kernel Version : 2.6.32.9
Build number : FROYO.DDJK3
Now, I have rooted the tab using z4root and am using apps which require SU privileges but I am a NOOB nonetheless when it comes to modding or flashing a custom rom. I know, reading up on XDA is on my to do list but any crucial advises before i take the leap?
@quattr0
2 days! that's amazing! Literally, how much time does the screen remain on? I mean is it intermittent on like heavy usage? Out with the tips sir
@steveo11284
I am pretty sure you're right. Especially the Gallery by default sucks up the battery life even if I don't use it. (Using JustPictures, way better). You might want to check out an app called SystemApp Remover. Allows you to uninstall stock apps, not just the regular ones make sure you take the backup!
@kharmafish
Try out Juice Defender with Ultimate Juice add on. I gained atleast a few hours
@rangercaptain
The fact that there are ways of doing away with the lag keeps me curious mate I mean, isn't getting the max out of your device what everybody wants?
@mrgrey
What are your views on Modaco vs Roto roms?
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@mrgrey
What are your views on Modaco vs Roto roms?
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I have tried both and have had far fewer problems with Roto's roms. Although the quadrant score was almost double under Modaco's rom, in practice Roto's feels nippier - which reinforces what I've read elsewhere on XDA about quadrant score being no true guide to performance. Hope this helps
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I have tried both and have had far fewer problems with Roto's roms. Although the quadrant score was almost double under Modaco's rom, in practice Roto's feels nippier - which reinforces what I've read elsewhere on XDA about quadrant score being no true guide to performance. Hope this helps
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Righto! I was almost sure of going for Modaco. Could you point me in the right direction as to how should i go about the Roto roms? I mean a lucid and detailed guide on how to get it on to the tab?
Thanks & Cheers!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=895827
Have you tried different launchers? I think Launcher Pro is pretty quick. It replaces the default samsung launcher.
So i finally upgraded to Roto JMI v2 Way better than my stock rom (DDJK3) read blazing fast
@rangercaptain
Tried out a few. Liked ADW Launcher
Cheers!
I would also recommend 2 apps:
automatic task killer is a great app that automatically closes apps that are left running in the background and you exclude those you want to leave running.
Juice defender is great for extending battery life by automatically turning things off for you like cellular data when you are connexted to wifi.
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I would also recommend 2 apps:
automatic task killer is a great app that automatically closes apps that are left running in the background and you exclude those you want to leave running.
Juice defender is great for extending battery life by automatically turning things off for you like cellular data when you are connexted to wifi.
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While I was an ardent fan of both the software's you mentioned mate, on roto jmi v2 I excluded every task killer or battery enhancing app and to my surprise found it to be blazing fast n better battery backup by default. Sometimes makes me wonder if we're giving android its due credit for being awesome as it is
Cheers!
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Hi everyone.
I have a problem with GPS on my euro Galaxy S (i9000).
I can get a lock without any problem, but the thing is that the accuracy it's very low (more than 40 meters).
I tried to have a look to LbsTestMode, but no settings helped. (I'm in Standalone mode).
Any advice?
Thanks.
Info:
Android 2.2.1
Baseband: XXJPY
Kernel: Hardcore K13E
Build: RSJS2
EDIT: I searched the forums, but almost every thread speaks about GPS lock, not accuracy.
try jvp - best gps so far
test03 said:
Hi everyone.
I have a problem with GPS on my euro Galaxy S (i9000).
I can get a lock without any problem, but the thing is that the accuracy it's very low (more than 40 meters).
I tried to have a look to LbsTestMode, but no settings helped. (I'm in Standalone mode).
Any advice?
Thanks.
Info:
Android 2.2.1
Baseband: XXJPY
Kernel: Hardcore K13E
Build: RSJS2
EDIT: I searched the forums, but almost every thread speaks about GPS lock, not accuracy.
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I don't know, which place you are in. You need to update to Gingerbread and use your default modem for country/network. Samfirmwire will help you in choosing the right modem.
what is jvp
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manishnraj said:
what is jvp
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Is that your phone having a root access or phone Android is original from Samsung?
If your phone is original Android no point in knowing about JVP!!
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what is jvp
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XXJVP is the latest stock version for Samung Galaxy S. You can find tons of custom ROMs or stock ones in the Galaxy S I9000 Android Development forum, and instructions on how to flash it.
Good luck!
better look for firmwares here http://samfirmware.com/
You should try Darkys 10.1 with Darky Core and JVO Modem. GPS works okay but no perfectly !
Thanks for your replies.
Now I upgraded to JVP (Juwe's 5.0).
During a car ride, the accuracy "seems" (placebo?) to be a little better, but not too much.
I will do some more tests today afternoon (here in Italy it's morning now), in the same conditions I did some other jogging rides, with Runkeeper and the phone in my pocket.
Do you think I should flash another modem from sam firmwares website?
Thanks.
EDIT: JVP is for Europe, so I should be ok, I think.
im having the same problem here
but im using a i9000T in mexico
im getting like 40m difference as well, using 2.3.3 darky's 10.1
BUT using JL2 modem since it allows me to use 850 band...was wondering if trying another modem would help
any suggestions?
I fluctuate between 15-30-45. Stock Bell at the moment with a couple if GPS Apps needed from time to time to get lock.
All in all, that accuracy is good enough for me.
If I need to be more accurate, I'll throw my SIM back inside my Nokia phone...
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Today I noticed a decreased accuracy, what a pity...
The accuracy setting in libgps is 30 meters.
Any advice? Thanks.
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I went from 2.2.1 to 2.3.3 JVH.
Reported GPS accuracy is worse in JVH. I often got 10 meters, now I see 30 meters more often.
The accuracy itself seems to be better though! So the report is more pessimistic but the GPS actually works better - at least when making some speed.
When walking, it seems the position is often frozen and only updated every 5 seconds or so. Which is a shame.
jvh / jvo gps is crappy
test jvp or use my files to change gps to JV99same with JVP) or nexus
Thanks for your reply.
If I try your nexus s files, do you know a way to revert back to what I have now? (Juwe's 5.0). Speaking of that, do you know if your files are compatible with Juwe's 5.0 (JVP). I think so, but just to confirm.
Thanks.
i think juve depending on base must be using jvo or jvp files so just go with jvo to get back =)
Today I tried one more time, with the same conditions (Juwe's 5.0 JVP, no modded files).
The only differences are:
- Phone not in pocket, but in direct line of sight with sky
- Fasterfix with Italy selected as location
The accuracy is still very low (fluctuates between 15-30-40). It's so unreliable for runkeeper stats.
What do you suggest for the next try?
I think the alternatives to try are:
- Nexus S files
- JV9 Files
- Lowering the Accuracy threshold to 20 (needed?)
Anyone experienced better results doing any of the above?
If you have other suggestions, please tell.
Thanks.
test03 said:
Today I tried one more time, with the same conditions (Juwe's 5.0 JVP, no modded files).
The only differences are:
- Phone not in pocket, but in direct line of sight with sky
- Fasterfix with Italy selected as location
The accuracy is still very low (fluctuates between 15-30-40). It's so unreliable for runkeeper stats.
What do you suggest for the next try?
I think the alternatives to try are:
- Nexus S files
- JV9 Files
- Lowering the Accuracy threshold to 20 (needed?)
Anyone experienced better results doing any of the above?
If you have other suggestions, please tell.
Thanks.
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I've done a long and exhaustive test with many roms and many files for tracking purposes (I used SportyPal and now I use SportsTrackLive) and, beleive me, you can only go so far without an external device.
The only thing left to test is the Kernel. I think I had better result using SpeedMod.
I have come to the conclusion that if I want precise tracking I can only use an external device. I have yet to receive my order but I'm confident it will be miles appart from what I get with the SGS alone (or any phone, for that matters)
always 10-20m with jvk germany
SGS with GB can do only thus far and no further------
On the GPS front,SGS does have some shortcomings obviously.I had an Xperia Mini before migrating to SGS and that had a fabulous GPS with locking happenin withing seconds and accuracy always between 6 to 10 m and occasionally even less than 6!!!!
I have tried several tricks including all sorts of modems on SGS but have gotten no closer than 20 m especially after upgrading to GB.
I remember though----seeing accuacy of 10 m while still on Froyo 2.2!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which means it may not be hardware but something to do with the OS??
FOR CM7 BASED ROMS
IMPORTANT UPDATE: I have done some research on flashing radio images and found some interesting information. Apparently there are 2 files that pertain to radios in the RUU releases, a radio.img and a rcdata.img. We all have been flashing only the radio.img file but the rcdata.img contains further carrier information that directly relates to information in the build.prop file. I have put together a new 26.13.04.19 radio zip file that contains both the radio.img and the rcdata.img. The .img files were taken directly from the latest T-Mobile RUU release. This new radio/rcdata zip needs to be flashed through bootloader just like you flashed a radio in the past. As usual, you''ll need to rename the zip file to PC10IMG.zip before you reboot into bootloader. Check the MD5 Sum after you download the file to your sdcard to make sure it matches the following:
MD5 Sum: 360EA26286DEC39FC8008B266F470839
DOWNLOAD VISION_RADIO_RCDATA_12.62.60.27_26.13.04.19.zip
MIRROR: http://www.mediafire.com/?vdecstne5uuvuxn
With the release of the latest T-Mobile update a new radio was included with the promise of better battery life. The following is from the T-Mobile support website.
On October 17, T-Mobile G2 devices will begin to receive an Over-The-Air (OTA) update to Android 2.3.4 / Software Version 2.16.531.5. The update will roll out in waves over the coming weeks.
The update provides the following improvements.
Improvements:
Google Security Patch
Google Skymap improvements
Battery life improvements
Data connection while roaming domestically
After flashing the new radio taken from the OTA listed above I really didn't notice any real improvements in battery life. After about a week using the new radio I decided to try matching the lib-ril .so files that were included in the OTA with my current installation of CM7. Almost immediately I noticed an improvement in battery life, wifi and data switching and slightly better data speeds over 4G. I have been using the matching files now for about 10 days and can say that I am getting the best battery life from my G2 since I've had it. I've been flashing CM7 nightlies since just about day one along with flashing radios etc and this is a noticeable change. I asked 2 others here in the forums to give matching lib-rils a try to see if they could confirm. Ditamae and Sino8r, who are also running CM7, have reported back to me that they too have noticed performance improvements, most notably in battery life.
From Ditamae: "Things are still looking good over here. The improvements are slight, but noticeable."
From Sino8r: "Okay, seems all is well with new libs. They have shown some promise, imo. Better battery, signal handoffs, pretty much what all we hoped for."
ATTENTION: I am not responsible if you brick your phone or if it starts a fire in your apartment by using this workaround! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!
Procedure:
If you are not running the .19 radio, you can get it from the links above. If you need further flashing instructions get them from this thread.
Once you are running the .19 radio, download the updater and flash through recovery. This will update your radio ril and gps .so files.
Download Radio 26.13.04.19 Radio - ril and gps .so updater for CM7 based ROMShttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/17578272/CM7_26.13.04.19radio_ril_gps_so_updater.ziphttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/17578272/CM7_26.13.04.19radio_ril_gps_so_updater.ziphttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/17578272/CM7_26.13.04.19radio_ril_gps_so_updater.zip
MIRROR: http://www.mediafire.com/?i0ibe4mrvuqyxua
While you are in recovery, wipe your cache and dalvick cache and wipe the efs partitions by flashing the Vision EFS partion wipe tool.
Download EFS Partition Wipe Tool
Reboot your device and you're good to go.
NOTE: At first boot, it might take a little longer than usual for you to connect to your local towers since you've wiped your radio data and the efs partitions need to be re-populated with the new data. This also means you'll need to be outside and wait several minutes for a new gps lock as the new data is obtained from the satellites.
Don't forget to hit the thanks button if this works out for you!
Followed all your steps and will keep you posted.
Done as requested and will let you know my experience after a couple of days.
I wanna give this a try and will let you know how it goes. is the efs wipe tool different from the superwipe... i.e. it won't wipe all my data?
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I wanna give this a try and will let you know how it goes. is the efs wipe tool different from the superwipe... i.e. it won't wipe all my data?
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The efs wipe will only wipe the radio data. It won't touch your rom or sd card.
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EdKeys said:
The efs wipe will only wipe the radio data. It won't touch your rom or sd card.
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awesome, I figured as much but was just making sure got it all done and will see how it goes.... thanks EdKeys!
I will try this soon, especially if I see many people seeing improvements (it'd be nice to have facts, so to avoid placebo effects).
For those that have tried it: any improvements in GPS performance?
Just did the switch and have immediately noticed improved data speeds in Atlanta, Ga. I will report back in a few days about battery life. Running CM7.1 stable
tsubus said:
I will try this soon, especially if I see many people seeing improvements (it'd be nice to have facts, so to avoid placebo effects).
For those that have tried it: any improvements in GPS performance?
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I didn't notice any change in GPS performance. I'm using your ROM with the updated GPS driver already included in that, which I believe is the same gps.vision.so that was included in the 2.16.531.5 OTA mentioned above.
I have to say I am VERY surprised by the results. I did 3 speedtests before matching rils and 3 after. Results are about 2.5 to 3 times faster in downloads, and about twice in upload. It should be on the same server (according to Speedtest.net app), which makes this great. I will definitely include it in the next release, which at this point might be later today.
edit: a couple more tests brought the download speeds down a little, so it might have been a fluke before, but I still see improvements, just not as big. I will still include it in the ROM, thank you for pointing it out.
edit2: did the new radio roll out with a new gps.vision.so file too? It'd be nice to see if using the new lib gives improvements on gps too.
tsubus said:
I have to say I am VERY surprised by the results. I did 3 speedtests before matching rils and 3 after. Results are about 2.5 to 3 times faster in downloads, and about twice in upload. It should be on the same server (according to Speedtest.net app), which makes this great. I will definitely include it in the next release, which at this point might be later today.
edit: a couple more tests brought the download speeds down a little, so it might have been a fluke before, but I still see improvements, just not as big. I will still include it in the ROM, thank you for pointing it out.
edit2: did the new radio roll out with a new gps.vision.so file too? It'd be nice to see if using the new lib gives improvements on gps too.
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I'm not able to check right now but I believe it is the same version that you are currrently using for this radio in your ROM now....same as the .13 release. I'll try to get a copy of it later on today.
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I'll give it a shot as well. Oddly enough, my completely unscientific testing showed that my WiFi speeds seem to have improved with the new radio, but my "4G" speeds have actually suffered just a tiny bit. And they got *worse* after matching the RILs.
What I did was, with my existing radio (04.12), I ran the Speedtest.net app 3 times each for WiFi and "4G". Then, I installed the 04.19 radio, and did it again. Then once more after matching the RILs.
However, my data speeds have never been great here at the office, so I will do some more testing later, and see what I come up with.
Battery life is a little more subjective, depending on what I am doing with my phone, but I'll see what kind of "feel" I get after running it for a few days.
This fix my gps problems on miui and my signal, battery life, 4g more stable..
Before this i got 3 days try to find out how fix my gps, is was always stay searching for gps.
Send from my HTC G2 Running Miui Bulletproof.
Olders smartphones:
Tmobile G1
My Touch 3g
Iphone 3G
My Touch 3g slide
Lg optimus M
Samsung galaxy indulge
Now using:
Htc G2
Thrive (tablet)
dargocitfer said:
I'll give it a shot as well. Oddly enough, my completely unscientific testing showed that my WiFi speeds seem to have improved with the new radio, but my "4G" speeds have actually suffered just a tiny bit. And they got *worse* after matching the RILs.
What I did was, with my existing radio (04.12), I ran the Speedtest.net app 3 times each for WiFi and "4G". Then, I installed the 04.19 radio, and did it again. Then once more after matching the RILs.
However, my data speeds have never been great here at the office, so I will do some more testing later, and see what I come up with.
Battery life is a little more subjective, depending on what I am doing with my phone, but I'll see what kind of "feel" I get after running it for a few days.
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Give it a few more days before deciding any real conclusions. Its working for pretty much evryone. Pretty cool find, Ed! Thanks again!
dargocitfer said:
I'll give it a shot as well. Oddly enough, my completely unscientific testing showed that my WiFi speeds seem to have improved with the new radio, but my "4G" speeds have actually suffered just a tiny bit. And they got *worse* after matching the RILs.
What I did was, with my existing radio (04.12), I ran the Speedtest.net app 3 times each for WiFi and "4G". Then, I installed the 04.19 radio, and did it again. Then once more after matching the RILs.
However, my data speeds have never been great here at the office, so I will do some more testing later, and see what I come up with.
Battery life is a little more subjective, depending on what I am doing with my phone, but I'll see what kind of "feel" I get after running it for a few days.
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There is a link to the EFS wipe tool in the OP. Be sure to flash that after changing radios and/or rils. Just a suggestion in case you didn't do that yet.
still early days but seem to be noticing a slight improvement with my data connection (more h than 3g) and general reception, one area where there is no change is battery life(sceptical that radios affect batteries that much)
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I'm happy word is getting out... I switched back to the .30 libs for a small stretch and then flashed tsubus' update tonight (along with matching rils for .19... as you know he's matching them for radio .19 by default now, based on your testing), and this time the benefits appear even more distinct. Definitely getting slightly better download speeds and signal alternates faster and more efficiently between Wifi and H/3G. I'm going to check GPS with navigation tomorrow on a long drive. I'll report back, but I'm fairly certain it'll work just fine. I'll wipe battery stats tomorrow and monitor battery... but I kinda already know it's gonna be good. Really glad you brought this to my attention, Ed. Thank you.
Ditamae said:
I'm happy word is getting out... I switched back to the .30 libs for a small stretch and then flashed tsubus' update tonight (along with matching rils for .19... as you know he's matching them for radio .19 by default now, based on your testing), and this time the benefits appear even more distinct. Definitely getting slightly better download speeds and signal alternates faster and more efficiently between Wifi and H/3G. I'm going to check GPS with navigation tomorrow on a long drive. I'll report back, but I'm fairly certain it'll work just fine. I'll wipe battery stats tomorrow and monitor battery... but I kinda already know it's gonna be good. Really glad you brought this to my attention, Ed. Thank you.
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I agree... I never had any real gps issues with the exception of first lock in a few weeks without use. I ended up getting GPS Status (free app from market) and reseting gps data and redownloading it. Within 30 seconds, gps satellites are found and all is well. On rare occasions, I would get the notorious loss of signal and would have to toggle gps on or off and/or use good old GPS Status. Those were really minor compared to the horror stories I hear from some of our other HTC Vision users. I finally tried tsubus's idea of using the htc gps.so file and havent had any drop offs. There is still that first lock delay after a new flash or not using it for several weeks but thats normal and nothing GPS Status cant fix in mere seconds. I highly recommend using the gps lib file and gps status for those with gps issues. The radio lib files found here also help with battery life (not huge but a noticable difference) and call quality plus tower to cell handoffs. I was a cell tech (not the guy in the call center lol) for 5 years and am a pc tech and have been for 10 so I usually can tell when something works and is not a placebo effect
Also, Ed and Ditamae are two of the best guys we have here in the G2 section. Please, listen to them. You can trust about 99% of what they say... The other 1% is for their comedic effect
EdKeys said:
There is a link to the EFS wipe tool in the OP. Be sure to flash that after changing radios and/or rils. Just a suggestion in case you didn't do that yet.
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Yes, I followed your suggestions exactly. I haven't had any issues with the GPS (My sense of direction *sucks*, so my GPS gets used quite a bit... ), and I'm still testing the battery life. (Wiped battery stats yesterday and drained the battery to 0%, charged it overnight, and am testing it now.) We'll see how it turns out for me.
After doing these changes I was able to get almost 13 hours of battery life, which is about 5 more hours than I used to get. This is with medium to heavy usage, so I'm happy with this. I'll report back after this bakes for another week or so.