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Samsung hints at Tab pricing while raising Smartphone sales forecast

Personally, I wouldn't get attached to these numbers, and also they may actually be listing these post-subsidy, only time will tell. However, I would venture to guess that these are a better way to define the price than looking at Expansys, the first comer to listing the device. But Samsung has been talking to the Korean press a bit about the near-term including the Galaxy Tab, Bada Sales and smartphone sales forecasts for 2010 & 2011:
"The Galaxy Tab enhances portability and readability by having a 7-inch LCD screen. It will cost slightly more than the Galaxy S smartphone,’’ Shin said.
He added the Tab will be retail-priced at $300 to $400.
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While, typically, retail probably implies that it's a non-contract sale, but I wouldn't get my hopes up due to differences in our languages and terms.
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/09/123_72507.html
In a separate newspaper they quote shin on Galaxy Tab sales projections:
Samsung also expects to sell 1 million units of its new tablet PC Galaxy Tab, which will be launched in the domestic and global markets in early October, according to Shin.
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Somewhat interestingly, they didn't get the same amount of clarification on price as KoreaTimes did.
http://www.koreaherald.com/business/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20100903000549

Mmmm more speculation *laps it up*. I love it.
Its still all up in the air, since someone in the other thread said O2 germany was was going for 100euros after subsidy, so $300-400 without would seem to fit that pattern...
Compared to the SGS, what you have to ask yourself is this: Does a 7" LCD cost more or less than a 4" SAMOLED screen?... Since they otherwise are nearly identical parts wise, a price that low wouldn't actually shock me. There will be many happy consumers if they get it that low

The difference here is this is coming from Samsung, given to a prominent Korean newspaper. Based on history, this is better than rumors that start from many techblogs, salesmen, carriers, and strip mall kiosks where someone talked to an employee during their lunchbreak. Samsung is very forthcoming to the Korean media, this isn't Apple being tight-lipped, full of anonymous sources that we, as readers, can't trace. This is a prominent employee, on record, being quoted.
I'll use different speculation, to speculate more. The biggest change, cost wise, I'd guess would be the battery. 4,000 mAh would bring a larger cost change than the screen change, the LCD is a more common tech.
While I know a 4" SAMOLED would be very costly for a competitor to use in their device, if Samsung sold them, costs are different. Costs shouldn't be much different to produce a SAMOLED as an AMOLED, because it was the R&D that changed a production process, but didn't really increase the cost to produce. The 7" lcd can be very similar or even priced the same.
Other small changes, a more expensive wifi chip and a cheaper rear facing camera.

alovell83 said:
The difference here is this is coming from Samsung, given to a prominent Korean newspaper. Based on history, this is better than rumors that start from many techblogs, salesmen, carriers, and strip mall kiosks where someone talked to an employee during their lunchbreak. Samsung is very forthcoming to the Korean media, this isn't Apple being tight-lipped, full of anonymous sources that we, as readers, can't trace. This is a prominent employee, on record
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I agree entirely. Samsung are the only people who can tell us pricing, and yet non-accountable double-the-ipad prices continue to get slung around, not only here, but across a dozen or more droid boards, and yet whenever you tell them to be realistic or that rumours mean NOTHING, you get told that if you don't have any other numbers you can STFU and let them trash the device.
*shakes head*
Personally I trust samsung a lot more than people discussing how fail the Tab will be.
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unfortunately, they use for shipment UPS only that is not good for Russia

Samsung Galaxy Tab is reasonably priced!

The full specs on the Samsung’s Galaxy Tab have been out for a little while now, and I’m impressed with the device. Samsung have now priced the Galaxy Tab at $600, but have been taking some criticism for doing so. In my opinion I believe that the price tag is more than justified considering what you’re getting. First off the Galaxy tab is $30 cheaper than the 3G version of the iPad, but has features that beat out the iPad. It’s got front and back facing cameras, augmented reality (which is sick by the way) and a better touch screen with a higher pixel density. In a perfect world this would be the thing that has everyone riled up, rather than the iPad.
from engadget

I think $600 will be reasonable if it is close to perfect out of the box. I've had my Vibrant since launch day and although I am very happy with it, there are some things about it that are unexcusable. The lag is obviously an issue, as well as the terrible stock e-mail application. My biggest concern is that Samsung will not get updates out for the device in a timely manner. I've waited for months for the Froyo update for the Vibrant, I don't want to purchase the Tab for $600 and have to wait 6 months to have Gingerbread and Honeycomb to come along. For $400, maybe even $500, the Tab would be a day one purchase. However at the $600 price point, I'll be waiting for the Notion Ink Adam or maybe even the Blackberry Playbook. Both of those devices seem to have better hardware and should have better battery life.

Plus Sprint announced their version. $399 with 2 year contract. $20 for 2GB of Data. When you factor this in the Sprint version 2 year cost of ownership is $879. The Verizon version does not require a contract so if you went WiFi only the cost of ownership over 2 years is $280 cheaper. I think the Verizon version is a better buy then Sprint or iPad.

One of the other cool things that the Galaxy Tab has over the iPad is the fact that because it’s portable, it can serve multiple purposes. With the 3G version you can use it as a car GPS for example. Now of course you could do the same with the iPad but the iPad, though small, is still too bulky to ever work as a truly portable tool.

I think all versions have GPS. So you wont need 3g for a-gps...

benjammin172 said:
I think $600 will be reasonable if it is close to perfect out of the box. I've had my Vibrant since launch day and although I am very happy with it, there are some things about it that are unexcusable. The lag is obviously an issue, as well as the terrible stock e-mail application. My biggest concern is that Samsung will not get updates out for the device in a timely manner. I've waited for months for the Froyo update for the Vibrant, I don't want to purchase the Tab for $600 and have to wait 6 months to have Gingerbread and Honeycomb to come along. For $400, maybe even $500, the Tab would be a day one purchase. However at the $600 price point, I'll be waiting for the Notion Ink Adam or maybe even the Blackberry Playbook. Both of those devices seem to have better hardware and should have better battery life.
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I don't particularly see how the Playbook would have significantly better battery life. It could only save power through the 3g stack (same as on their handsets) which won't make much practical difference when the screen is slurping so much. As for the Adam, well it weighs nearly double the Tab.
As for the specs, yes those devices have a little more in RAM, but not much else. I doubt that in practice you could tell the difference. Also, the Adam is going to force you to use its own market, so thats a HUGE downside to me. Also, you can't get the Notion in contract to my knowledge, so you will HAVE to pay the full list, no choice to get a carrier subbed one and spread the cost.
Also, yes the Tab is reasonably priced.

Galaxy Note S

i was just reading articles (on korean news web site) and it was saying that
samsung will not introduce galaxy s3 in MWC but they might display Galaxy note S instead.
The article also stated that the Galaxy Note S will have ICS, better camera and quadcore CPU..
Now, I don't know if this source is regit and trustful.. but i am definitely interested in, and probably even consider, changing my note to the quadcore ICS Samsung galaxy note for sure

imo i dont think samsung will introduce another note before s3 also i dont think samsung is willing to put an alternative to its own product while it is sales are good.

That would be suicide in my personal opinion. They JUST released this device 3 months ago, and they're going to announce the next one? Do you know how many people would be pissed off, myself included. Especially after paying top dollar (in my case Euro) for a device that they would supposedly be phasing out for its new big brother Note S?
I count this as pure speculation, and it won't happen. I stand corrected if it does, and I would have also lost complete faith in Samsung if they do! That's just bad marketing!!!

zkyevolved said:
That would be suicide in my personal opinion. They JUST released this device 3 months ago, and they're going to announce the next one? Do you know how many people would be pissed off, myself included. Especially after paying top dollar (in my case Euro) for a device that they would supposedly be phasing out for its new big brother Note S?
I count this as pure speculation, and it won't happen. I stand corrected if it does, and I would have also lost complete faith in Samsung if they do! That's just bad marketing!!!
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+1, you are 100% correct. The Galaxy Note only just came out, only had mine a few months so it's very unlikely they will release another one.
In fact the Note hasn't even been released in the US yet! How can they bring out a newer version when the original is still to be released in America?
I'd say 2013 at the earliest for a Note replacement, not anytime soon...
It's most likely a fake rumour or the Galaxy S III...

Rumors make the world go round.
I don´t think that after the huge success of the S2 and the Note, are the Samsung Mobile managers in any hurry of releasing a next device. From the Note there are already over 1,5 Million devices sold and the phone is not even out in the US.
At the moment the market will stay stable for a while there is really no real competitor to Samsung. HTC is no where near at the moment with their products and LG just failed in my opinion giving the customers the support they deserve.
The strategy is pretty simple. The web will be filled with rumors and speculations for the S3 / possible Note2 just to build up momentum and discussions about it.
Samsung has placed its self as an Apple alternative nr1 at the moment. They will only release an S3 or a Note2 when Apple decides to release the Idumb5.
So expect both devices (Idumb5 and S3) at about the same time (estimate mid summer).
Customer support is the key to success. Give the customer the feeling he is valuable to the company and you will try to keep him satisfied. Especially if he has payed some 600€ for a fricking phone.

i totally agree with you, the new note s won't be in market anytime soon, but i was thinking that samsung might introduce note s in MWC and produce it in the 4th quarter? then again, i have no idea if the writer has regit sources.. but hey, quadcore note.. im totally buying it lol

From what I heard, the Samsung Galaxy Note S was the smaller version of the current Note. Although that's very doubtful because that sort of is the Galaxy S II.
Releasing this phone any time soon would simply mean less money for Samsung, as the Note is still being sold alot, and needs to be sold more in the US too.
I sure hope the Samsung Note S is just a rumour if it, indeed, is the bigger, quad core version of our Note. That'd devastate all the current Note users..

quit whining
Guys,
I am really surprised at the attitude here, why would anyone not want them to release a newer updated version of the Note, a product that is already good but like anything can be made even better.
Technology marches on, the note was announced early summer 2011 yes some of you have only just got them but there will still be people buying galaxy s2 even after the s3 is released or announced.
do you really want to stop progress, it would be like saying our parents saying i dont want anyone to invent CD's because I have just bought a nice tape deck.....
Grow up, quit whining and stop trying to fight the future.
I'll flog my note to some technological dullard and buy a quad core, super amoled plus hd ( non pentile ) rear plate cmos camera equipped G Note S the moment it comes out.
Now a real question is does anyone know if the S-pen will retain pressure sensitivity using the ICS native api or only running wacom drivers......
MG

I am not against the future or development of technology.
I just hope that Note S don't come out TOO SOON. Got it? NOT TOO SOON!
'Cause I don't want my beloved Note is soon defaced by a stupid-same-size-and-design thing!!!

I wrote about this few weeks back,GNote with its 5.3" screen has created a completely new class,and looks like its becoming a hit fast,so Samsung just cant sit back and watch some another company come up with same form factor but with better specs,they have to keep themselves in the lead by beeing few steps ahead of the compitition.
Hence my prediction that we will have a new GNote sometime in the 4th quarter,and ,of course, i will be there to get one ,which also means cutting back my beer consumption,since this thing doesnt come cheap!!.

MAX check your sources.
GSM Arena database:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note-4135.php
The Note was first announced in September 2011 and released in October 2011 (black version). Most phones were delivered in November / December first time and the white devices were first in December there.
We are at the start of February the phone is at the hands of most owners for a maximum of two or three months.
I am one of the owners who frequently changes phone, mostly because its a hobby but I really like the note and I would like to stick to it longer than 3 months before I loose a huge amount of money just because a newer version is out.
I can see a successor to the note only in at aprox year from now as a bigger S3.

These could be a Galaxy Note S or Plus or whatever but I don't think it will be a replacement for Galaxy S2 but just another addition in Samsung product portfolio.
As I wouldn't be happy to get 5 something inch screen because it's too big for me if we speak about phone
http://samsunggalaxys3review.net/long-rumored-white-samsung-galaxy-nexus-officially-announced/

there was an official announcement sometime back on sammobiles, or I should say maybe that was an unofficial news, but the Note S will be unveiled later this year in q4, They just started selling in usa and canada from feb, and invested millions in the super bowl ad, its impossible for note release.
plus its just announced that samsung isnt showing anything at mwc. cheers !
links:
http://phandroid.com/2012/02/08/sam...ce/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/01/31/galaxy-siii-march-13th-and-galaxy-s-ii-plus-and-note-s-q4/

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Then what the beep are you doing in the Note forum? Go back to your iPhone fan forums
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Hah! Funny people. Do your really think that Samsung is that stupid? They've invested A LOT of money into the Note, and it sells pretty well, and you think that Samsung will unveil a new model when the US version just got released, and they advertised at the freaking Super Bowl!?
"Yes, let's advertise this product and release a completely new model in a month and burn some serious money".
If they did that people would stop buying the Note and wait for the "Note S", and Samsung would have massive losses. Do you think it's cheap to build and design a phone? No. It costs millions upon millions of dollars.
The natural thing would be to unveil the next gen Note in september again; 12 month after the previous unveiling, like they're doing with the Galaxy S products.
And i'll end this post with a quote:
"When pushed, Ryan Bidan, director of product marketing at Samsung, said that while he wasn’t sure what the model count for his company would be in 2012, he agreed that phone makers should drive down the number of phones. “Sheer SKU proliferation is a problem,” he said."

Maybe it could be the rumored Samsung Galaxy Journal rumored to be coming on Verizon and Sprint (USA). Same 5.3" display and all that but CDMA w/LTE support.

Yup, that might be the case.

why fight the future
FiremakerP said:
MAX check your sources.
GSM Arena database:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note-4135.php
The Note was first announced in September 2011 and released in October 2011 (black version). Most phones were delivered in November / December first time and the white devices were first in December there.
I can see a successor to the note only in at aprox year from now as a bigger S3.
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Firemaker please keep up.
There was plenty of articles and discussions about samsung note back in august last year and the note or smart-tab-phone ( translation) was allready shown at a number of trade shows in korea througout the summer ( Anyone could read about it ahead of the official release even in mass market blogs like engaget )
Its now february half a year later and I dont understand the alarm and negative comments this is causing.
1) most buyers of these devices dont even read these geek only sites and just buy what they see in the stores... they dont care what *might* be available on worldwide import or other geos
2) very few of the notes users pay 600 anythings £$€ as they just buy phones on contract so its no real loss for them if there is an update
3) Surely any reasonable individual would be pleased if sammy annouce an updated note taking advantage of refreshed technology, we are not talking revolution here, purely an evolution to the current state of the market for a premium device. ( how could any non luddite aurgue this isnt a good thing ?)
4) people are whining they are loosing money ....WTF you bought something its great, so chill out be pleased, something better will come out soon, who cares you havnt lost anything ...if you buy a dell pc and intel release a faster processor six months later will you get upset if dell include it in that model......
we should celibrate these refreshes and be pleased for constant innovation otherwise we would all be still walking around with wap speed data on our tft ipaqs and sony clies instead of hspa oled hd notes.....

maybe they announce TW5 and ICS

May be they will announce a Galaxy Note S with SuperAMOLED Plus?
All the 'S' phones have SuperAMOLED Plus display. YoU never know,

Why on earth have Samsung made such a mess of marketing the P6800?

I have a P6800.
I think it's a great tablet with many technical innovations.
I accept it wouldn't be to everyones taste.
I've worked in electronics in both retail, wholesale and manufacturing for a fair proportion of my working life.
Why haven't Samsung yet worked out that announcing a new product, then making the market wait months and months for shipment, while continuing to announce new products (which also won't ship for months) is undermining their impact in the market.
The new product announcements deter individuals and more importantly retailers (bricks and mortar not virtual) from carrying the product as they'll be concerned they'll either get left with stock or get hit with price drops.
Grey importing from the Far East destroys retailers willingness to carry a product with a RRP of £350 when it's available from Far East drop shippers for around 2/3 of that price.
This scattergun approach to product launches and lack of discipline in global pricing is seriously undermining Samsungs long term success in my opinion, someone somewhere high up in the organisation should really step back and make some hard decisions on strategy.
With so many products to support it takes a disproportionate amount of time to release updates (as we've seen with the P6800 6 months after ICS release) and the customer experience is therefore diminished.
Fanboiism only goes so far, a coherent, global, long term, production and marketing plan is what works in the market.

They also need to work on their pricing - I'd have bought one of these 7.7's long ago if they'd been realistically priced. As they are (in the UK) they're simply overpriced.
In general the Galaxy Tab range is just way too expensive - I know 2 people who bought iPad 3's instead as they were the same price as the 16GB Galaxy Tab 10.1!

You have to differentiate between lower price and diifferent price.
Personally I think the 7.7 is worth every penny and if Samsung did better marketing they could show the differences between the 7.7 and the IPad 3.
Instead they now have 5 different product ranges or 6 if you include the Galaxy Note....
7 Plus
7.7
8.9
10.1
7 v2
These, in theory, come in various memory sizes although I've never seen any memory size of more then 16gb on the 8.9, 7.7 or 7 plus ranges.
The average time between announcement and shipping seems to be 5 months and even today in the UK you cannot buy a UK sourced 7.7 3G as far as I know and it's 8 months since it was announced.
There are rumours of a 11.6? unit coming.
While I understand the desire to have a comprehensive range the reality is that Samsung are spreading themselves too thin and instead of launching 1 product in say 3 sizes they see each version as a totally new product. This means they themselves are confused about the offerings, this is reflected in the lack of marketing 'punch' in their message.
My suggestions for what could help.
1. Stop any new tablet announcements for 12 months.
2. Simplify the product range for an announcement in 12 months.
The range should be....
11.6 with no bezel (so same physical form factor as the current 10.1)
8.9 with no bezel
7 or 7.7
All should have Super Amoled Plus (or anything newer and better that's arrived by then)
The range should be technically identical except for the screen size (the specifics of the offerings would need to be worked out nearer to the launch)
Ship globally the full range within 4 weeks of the announcement, concentrate your marketing spend to this one 'product' in three size 'flavours'.
Sit back and reap the rewards.

In what regards consumer electronics, Samsung is being crushed by its own growth, "ungovernance" and lack of focus.
I've noticed this has been going on since, at least, 2007 year of my first interaction with them on account of the BDP-5000 combo player.
Like many Asian corporate giants, seen from the outside, Samsung seems like either (1) they don't have anyone at the helm or (2) they have too many people allowed at that very same helm, just giving the odd directional input, as they cluelessly seem fit.
When I see a photo of Gee-Sung Choi I don't think "Hey!...So that's the man behind all those incredible devices...".
Instead I think "...So, this is the guy behind that ugly mess..."
GK
(PS: Mine was 479 EUR at Dixons, in the Netherlands...excellent, excellent price)

You can buy a UK sourced 3G 7.7 from Clove Technology. Product code is GT-P6800LSAXEU. Price is an eye watering GBP478.80. When it gets to GBP350 I might get one. Current price is just too expensive for something which will be superseded in 6 months.

Yep!!
I am no marketing expert but even I can say that Samsung are continually missing out on opportunities for more sales, and more to the point getting themselves known. This isn't just the case with the P6800.
I know marketing/advertising is expensive but the rewards they would reap would be huge. Especially with the new budget Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 tablet, there are many people out there hungry for a capable tablet, but don't they want to shell out £500 for a tablet. An advertising campaign would make all the difference.
Look at the Galaxy Note! It took them 3 months to start TV adverts for it here. They really haven't a clue about marketing. Instead they are churning out products left, right and centre. Trying to cover all bases, it's an insane tactic.
The 7.7 is definitely over priced here, over £400 for the Wifi only model is just nuts. I don't own a 7.7 just yet, but I am very tempted. However, I don't have too much faith that ICS is actually coming to the 7.7.. also it's not been a very popular device for developers to play with, we can blame the price tag for that. It kinda feels like that even Samsung aren't really that interested in the 7.7. It's availability in general says something to me... then again Samsung are just a strange company.
Samsung have this frantic idea to push as many new products out the door, their business model is so wrong. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

jeremyr62 said:
You can buy a UK sourced 3G 7.7 from Clove Technology. Product code is GT-P6800LSAXEU. Price is an eye watering GBP478.80. When it gets to GBP350 I might get one. Current price is just too expensive for something which will be superseded in 6 months.
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Yea, Expansys have them too (SAMP680016GBS) at GBP479.99. I agree that GBP350's more realistic, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've just checked and you can pick them up on Amazon.com for USD597 (GBP371). Yet again we pay through the nose in Europe - Amazon.de's selling them for EUR742 (GBP591) and Amazon.fr for EUR683 (GBP544)!

Samsung probably doesn't go by the same metrics and ideas as you. People here often refer to the 7.7 as Samsung's "flagship tablet". It's really not. It's certainly their nicest one, and one that probably is the most difficult to manufacture.
The 10.1 is their "flagship" since that's what's selling and that's the direct competitor to the iPad (or least it used to be). The 7.7 is more of a niche edge thing.

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Samsung probably doesn't go by the same metrics and ideas as you. People here often refer to the 7.7 as Samsung's "flagship tablet". It's really not. It's certainly their nicest one, and one that probably is the most difficult to manufacture.
The 10.1 is their "flagship" since that's what's selling and that's the direct competitor to the iPad (or least it used to be). The 7.7 is more of a niche edge thing.
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The 10.1 isn't selling in the UK or quite a few other parts of Europe.
My point isn't about this tablet or that tablet, it's about Samsungs lack of overall strategy.
Simplistically if you had 1 product in 3 size 'flavours' it allows you to price differentiate accordingly. Especially as the Internet means that your pricing strategy has to be global.
The current RRP pricing in the UK could work (and I know some people here will say it never would) if they concentrated their marketing spend and targetted it effectively, the reality is they're just spread way too thin with too many products and no clear strategy.

55brianb said:
I've just checked and you can pick them up on Amazon.com for USD597 (GBP371). Yet again we pay through the nose in Europe - Amazon.de's selling them for EUR742 (GBP591) and Amazon.fr for EUR683 (GBP544)!
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Here (austria) you can get the 7.7 for 499EUR. Shipping in EU is around 10EUR. Just wanted to state that because it seems to me that everybody thinks you can't get this device at a proper price. (german price is very overwhelmed because the tab 7.7 isn't officially available in germany!)
By the way I don't think the price is a huge problem as you get the device for "free" when signing a contract for mobile internet, and without that the tab is pretty much useless anyways.
Back to topic: I totally agree samsung is carrying a very strange marketing strategy. Also I think the idea of "unifying" the tabs, so that screen size is only technical difference and launch all of them with one big marketing campaign would be alot better and more efficient than just rolling out device after device after device. I can imagine some people don't want to buy a tab because you can be sure 2 or 3 months later the next, better model is announced. I think better support (ie releasing updates in time and for a longer period of time) would be much better than having slightly better hardware every few weeks.

OP actually listed marketing strategies of Apple. Unfortunately Samsung could not, and probably never will follow the very same strategies.
Samsung actually follows the best marketing strategy, only that strategy focuses on profit, rather than customers, like Apple does. That's why you think Samsung made a mess in marketing, from customer's perspective.
Also, price segmentation, wide variety of product line and hidden product roadmap is exactly most vendors do for decades, for profit maximization. Not that I believe these are the best strategies, Apple for one has proven them wrong.
In short Apple's marketing strategies must accompany with market-dominating products, which is a very risky marketing model for most corporations. (I think I should stop at this point, I found discussing marketing in tech forum boring indeed )

九千. said:
OP actually listed marketing strategies of Apple. Unfortunately Samsung could not, and probably never will follow the very same strategies.
Samsung actually follows the best marketing strategy, only that strategy focuses on profit, rather than customers, like Apple does. That's why you think Samsung made a mess in marketing, from customer's perspective.
Also, price segmentation, wide variety of product line and hidden product roadmap is exactly most vendors do for decades, for profit maximization. Not that I believe these are the best strategies, Apple for one has proven them wrong.
In short Apple's marketing strategies must accompany with market-dominating products, which is a very risky marketing model for most corporations. (I think I should stop at this point, I found discussing marketing in tech forum boring indeed )
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Errr...
I didn't quote use the marketing strategies of Apple. Apple have a very different value proposition which is based upon diverse revenue streams.
1. While they make good money on their hardware their tight control of their App and ITunes stores generate them substantial and very profitable secondary revenue streams.
2. They are single product focused (the continued sale of the IPad2 is to run down production lines in my opinion). They only have single products in a segment, albeit with different memory sizes.
3. While they present themselves as a technical leader they are in my opinion a very good marketing operation who package up others technical breakthroughs.
I met Steve Jobs back in about 1979, he was pretty good at pinching other peoples ideas even then.
I disagree with your assessment that Samsung focus on profit, frankly the marketing of their tablets in Europe has been non existent. Unless you're selling a product you're not making profits and allowing such large pricing differentials in markets just encourages grey imports and undermines your message to your stockists.
I know of at least two major UK retailers who carry Samsung tablets but don't carry the full range and don't have presentation units on display, when I asked them why they said "...because we don't know where their focus is...." (my paraphrase).

I'm glad that you are interesting in this boring topic.
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Errr...
I didn't quote use the marketing strategies of Apple. Apple have a very different value proposition which is based upon diverse revenue streams.
1. While they make good money on their hardware their tight control of their App and ITunes stores generate them substantial and very profitable secondary revenue streams.
2. They are single product focused (the continued sale of the IPad2 is to run down production lines in my opinion). They only have single products in a segment, albeit with different memory sizes.
3. While they present themselves as a technical leader they are in my opinion a very good marketing operation who package up others technical breakthroughs.
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Actually I think we were not discussing above three point before. Anyway, I agree with you except point 3, I have problems with Apple in their motives on crushing technological advancement, least honoring them with the title of technical leader.
pinsb said:
I met Steve Jobs back in about 1979, he was pretty good at pinching other peoples ideas even then.
I disagree with your assessment that Samsung focus on profit, frankly the marketing of their tablets in Europe has been non existent. Unless you're selling a product you're not making profits and allowing such large pricing differentials in markets just encourages grey imports and undermines your message to your stockists.
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It depends on regions. As liberal as they seem to be, many EU countries have strict imports restrictions that effectively repel foreign imports. I can't speak for Samsung, but in our case our electronics products have to go through complicated regulations on standards and safety measures, before being allowed to import, with applied period and quantity constraints. Also, EU has their own patent office, on the top of USPTO, which in effect erecting a huge import barrier to all import goods, especially electronics.
Given such a huge barrier, it makes sense for a large corporation cutting back budget in marketing. For example, delay in launching Galaxy Tabs in Germany as a result of on-going litigation causing them to lose the time-to-market, and you wouldn't be surprise when they retreat all the marketing campagin planned.
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I know of at least two major UK retailers who carry Samsung tablets but don't carry the full range and don't have presentation units on display, when I asked them why they said "...because we don't know where their focus is...." (my paraphrase).
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UK has a different story. I cannot detail that without offending British Government or people supporting them. So please let me pass on that. As to the reason why Samsung widely expands the product lines in Galaxy Tab, I think I have explained before. This is not about market-focusing, it is about market-segmentation.
I wish my above points reaching you.

I think Samsung have got the right strategy by offering a choice of different tablet sizes in the same way that laptops are offered in different sizes. A lot of the big laptop players such as Toshiba are now entering the market and offering a choice of 3 or 4 tablet sizes. People have become brain washed by the Apple one size fits all approach.

Crazy prices, and here is me, getting the tab for 499 Swiss Francs

Having seen the Sammie press release about 9m pre sales of SG3 handsets I now understand.......
Sammie see their route to market (In Europe at least) as via Carriers, they aren't really that interested in marketing products except as an adjunct to assist the Carriers sell handsets. As tablets are much more often a stand alone sale it's had no attention.
While I still think the P6800 is a great product I've come to the realisation that Sammie will never give it the attention it should have got, as a result sales will never reach their potential and therefore ROM development will always be restricted.
Hopefully the CM9 situation will accelerate when ICS Colonel Sauces are release, the developers have already done a fantastic job of getting a 90% working build.
Ho Hum.....
To sell the tablet and replace with the new Google (Asus) Nexus (depending on spec) or see what happens.
I'm feeling pretty let down by Sammie right now and to be honest it'll influence my decision about buying Sammie products in the future.

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You have to differentiate between lower price and diifferent price.
Personally I think the 7.7 is worth every penny and if Samsung did better marketing they could show the differences between the 7.7 and the IPad 3.
Instead they now have 5 different product ranges or 6 if you include the Galaxy Note....
7 Plus
7.7
8.9
10.1
7 v2
These, in theory, come in various memory sizes although I've never seen any memory size of more then 16gb on the 8.9, 7.7 or 7 plus ranges.
The average time between announcement and shipping seems to be 5 months and even today in the UK you cannot buy a UK sourced 7.7 3G as far as I know and it's 8 months since it was announced.
There are rumours of a 11.6? unit coming.
While I understand the desire to have a comprehensive range the reality is that Samsung are spreading themselves too thin and instead of launching 1 product in say 3 sizes they see each version as a totally new product. This means they themselves are confused about the offerings, this is reflected in the lack of marketing 'punch' in their message.
My suggestions for what could help.
1. Stop any new tablet announcements for 12 months.
2. Simplify the product range for an announcement in 12 months.
The range should be....
11.6 with no bezel (so same physical form factor as the current 10.1)
8.9 with no bezel
7 or 7.7
All should have Super Amoled Plus (or anything newer and better that's arrived by then)
The range should be technically identical except for the screen size (the specifics of the offerings would need to be worked out nearer to the launch)
Ship globally the full range within 4 weeks of the announcement, concentrate your marketing spend to this one 'product' in three size 'flavours'.
Sit back and reap the rewards.
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They should all have wacom digitizers. That's all I'll add. I dont care if its as much or more than an ipad. I HATE HATE HATE apple.
Samsung already offers a superior product. If they consildated their Note line-up into these specs, included gs3, gave the gTab 7.7 and gs3 wacom digitizers and launched them ALL with ICS at launch, let touchwiz be an opt-in with first FOTA, EVERYONE would be happy.
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Yep!!
I am no marketing expert but even I can say that Samsung are continually missing out on opportunities for more sales, and more to the point getting themselves known. This isn't just the case with the P6800.
I know marketing/advertising is expensive but the rewards they would reap would be huge. Especially with the new budget Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 tablet, there are many people out there hungry for a capable tablet, but don't they want to shell out £500 for a tablet. An advertising campaign would make all the difference.
Look at the Galaxy Note! It took them 3 months to start TV adverts for it here. They really haven't a clue about marketing. Instead they are churning out products left, right and centre. Trying to cover all bases, it's an insane tactic.
The 7.7 is definitely over priced here, over £400 for the Wifi only model is just nuts. I don't own a 7.7 just yet, but I am very tempted. However, I don't have too much faith that ICS is actually coming to the 7.7.. also it's not been a very popular device for developers to play with, we can blame the price tag for that. It kinda feels like that even Samsung aren't really that interested in the 7.7. It's availability in general says something to me... then again Samsung are just a strange company.
Samsung have this frantic idea to push as many new products out the door, their business model is so wrong. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
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Be more than tempted. This is the best device on the market. From what I understand, samsung is having a hard time supplying the screens. The production process is outrageously precise and there are only two factories producing them in the whole world. Those two factories are supplying htc, motorola, and what's the other 7" amoled tablet?
Its US$699 in the states and only offered under Verizon. They took out telephony hardware. So the only way to get the gsm version is through import. I got mine used for US$500 and is in excellent condition.
The sad thing is, in my personal opinion, this technology is the greatest innovation in mark-making since the invention of painting. PM me for more on that one.
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To me it looks a bit like Samsung is using a shotgun blast of models and sizes to look what the public wants.
If it becomes successful enough it gets an followup and else they try something different.

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To me it looks a bit like Samsung is using a shotgun blast of models and sizes to look what the public wants.
If it becomes successful enough it gets an followup and else they try something different.
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What the public want are good quality, speedy, reliable tablets, priced fairly. The first company to deliver on this will make a killing. Simple.
Samsung's trying to compete with Apple, which I now think they are close to in terms of hardware. Where they appear to be going wrong is in their pricing strategy - they are simply pricing themselves out of the market, and as long as their prices remain high they'll lose out on potentially massive sales.

Married to Samsung or SAMOLED+?

Who holds the patents on OLED technology and which manufacturers are licensed to produce them? If amoled is not a samsung exclusive, would you switch products?
(Yes toshiba has a 7.7 SAMOLED+ tablet, has anybody switched?)
Reading this now:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1154176&page=3
I'm looking for the root of this technology IP tree.
Enjoy!

Good God, these poor mac guys are WHACK! We're totally civil --like a bunch of old church ladies on quilting night--- compared to these guys.
Any ideas on how this plays out?

Okay. Maybe I can help.... then again maybe I can't. Anyway, techonogy development these days is a lot less like starting with an idea and building on it; and a lot more like taking existing ideas and building on them. In Samsung's case, they are NOT the pioneering entity behind OLED technology. If they were the poineering entity behind OLED technology, they would be the sole patent holders of everything OLED. If they were the sole patent holders of everything OLED, then competing manufacturers(especially competing manufacturers using a competing platform) wouldn't stand a chance in hell of licensing this technology for use in their own products. However, as Samsung cannot lay sole claim to everything OLED, LG & Nokia are able to license this tech and develop competing display technologies using it; hense LG OLED & Nokia ClearBLACK AMOLED.
However, just because Samsung didn't invent OLED technology, it doesn't mean that they didn't perfect it. On top of being one of the only companies physically capable of producing OLED panels, they can do it well and inexpensively. Furthermore, they have demonstrated an uncanny ability to squeeze an ungodly number of pixels into a very small space.
So, conclude what you will, but I didn't buy a Galaxy Note (GT-N7000), a Galaxy Tab 7.7 (GT-P6810), and a Galaxy S III (GT-I9300) for nothing.
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Awesome. Yes... it's incredible. So sAMOLED+ if samsung's, then how are toshiba and motorola able to produce the Thrive and the Razr? Licensing from samsung? Or licensing from Universal Display?

Toshiba most likely buys the panels from Samsung similar to how Meizu bought the Exynos 4412 for their quadcore phone. Although Samsung is pretty well rounded and have expanded since, they are first and foremost a manufacturer. Meaning, they make most of their dough selling ram, displays, and CPU chip solutions to people like Apple and Toshiba. Don't quote me on it but I am pretty sure the Toshiba 7.7 screen is the exact same one in the Tab 7.7.
Sony makes their own OLED technology but they prefer to use white LEDs in theirs. LG I have no idea what they do.

loved the forum thread, makes me want to eat buttered pop corn while reading. PED vs TZMN lol
at least, it's samsung's strive for innovation, in a way that they did the AM to the OLED.

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Toshiba most likely buys the panels from Samsung similar to how Meizu bought the Exynos 4412 for their quadcore phone. Although Samsung is pretty well rounded and have expanded since, they are first and foremost a manufacturer. Meaning, they make most of their dough selling ram, displays, and CPU chip solutions to people like Apple and Toshiba. Don't quote me on it but I am pretty sure the Toshiba 7.7 screen is the exact same one in the Tab 7.7.
Sony makes their own OLED technology but they prefer to use white LEDs in theirs. LG I have no idea what they do.
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I'll go ahead and quote you; the Excite 7.7 DOES use a Samsung panel. Also, Sony only makes their own OLED panels for large displays (TVs). Their mobile tech (PS Vita) uses Samsung panels.
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Good God, these poor mac guys are WHACK! We're totally civil --like a bunch of old church ladies on quilting night--- compared to these guys.
Any ideas on how this plays out?
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Ha i wouldn't give them high praise because some of their points are right but some are totally, completely wrong. They seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing, trying to force others to knee in vain. You are right, it's like church ladies on quilting night. XD
For example, they are oversimplifying patents, IP, trademarks and copyrights related stuffs and sometime confused with them altogether. Ped said AMOLED is just a brand name which is obviously wrong, though he made many valid points, but not enough to satisfy all questions raised.
In fact, there isn't unversially single patent for everything in OLED, and UD doesn't own them all, because unfortunately many of them were invalidated by other OLED manufacturers some time ago. So i would be worrying the large sum of UD stocks ped is stilling holding.
To OP: Samsung might not own all the patents in SAMOLED+ but those who buys SAMOLED+ panels might only care about the cost and the indeminty clauses (indeminty against future patents/licenses disputes) come with the procurement. As long as Samsung sells cheaper SAMOLED+ panel with all the indeminty, other manufacturers are happy.
Tarz was actually starting the thread with the assertion that Samsung and Apple suing each other because they want to increase their bargaining power over IP disputes. He is partially right as the whole thing began with Apple tried to use the court to deferring some of the Samsung's products entering certain markets, while Samsung retributes in hope to force Apple settles.
In my personal opinions Apple is playing very cheap in this, as they are not seeking damages compensation, but rather attempting to defer competitors' launching of new products on time, which would eventually hurt the customers in these regions under injunction order. Customers in the other regions suffer too, because the price would be inevitably raised. Thats all lost one win situation regardless of the legal outcome, where Apple is the only winner because they have huge amount of money on disposal.
Of course, i wouldn't say that in a forum surrounded by mac fans. XD
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all I have to say to apple is that, Iphone is made by Samsung LOL
seriously, apple is killing innovation, god. patent for 'rounded' edges?

ThE_SoUrCe said:
all I have to say to apple is that, Iphone is made by Samsung LOL
seriously, apple is killing innovation, god. patent for 'rounded' edges?
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I have a feeling apples 'design' patents will wind up invalidated. They are TOO general, I among MANY others are surprised they were granted in the first place.
so do you think apple was partially to blame for the 7.7's flop?

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I have a feeling apples 'design' patents will wind up invalidated. They are TOO general, I among MANY others are surprised they were granted in the first place.
so do you think apple was partially to blame for the 7.7's flop?
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I think the price was one issue with the 7.7 that made it out of reach of some people, and of course limited availability in some regions.

aletheus said:
I have a feeling apples 'design' patents will wind up invalidated. They are TOO general, I among MANY others are surprised they were granted in the first place.
so do you think apple was partially to blame for the 7.7's flop?
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Apple has finally realized that Android is unstoppable and closing the gap in the market, they are going against Samsung because they are the only company that is coming out with top of the line devices, both phones and tablets. There is rumors of Apple coming out with a 7" tab, why because 7" tabs are the way to go and Samsung are leading the pack.
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I think the price was one issue with the 7.7 that made it out of reach of some people, and of course limited availability in some regions.
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I agree price was an issue but also what hurt them is US carriers not allowing a device with both 3g+wifi. Verizon came out with 7.7" but I am sure it has not sold as many as they would have hoped because it is only a wifi model and expensive even with a contract. It was a stretch for to for $600+ for he P6800 but I am happy with my purchase because it has what I wanted, 3g+wifi and unlocked. Carries need to learn to adopt or have the manufacturers sell them directly to the customers and forgo carriers all together.
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Be glad it was even offered in your country, I had to import mine, and opt for the wifi since the 3G was ridiculously expensive. But this is what one pays for such tech, still I doubt the manufacturing price is that high even, for the wifi version.
Personally I am a big supporter of OLED tech, first oled device was the sony X series walkman, then the S2 and now the 7.7. I await the day of an OLED laptop, but I feel that is at least 2-3 years off.

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I agree price was an issue but also what hurt them is US carriers not allowing a device with both 3g+wifi. Verizon came out with 7.7" but I am sure it has not sold as many as they would have hoped because it is only a wifi model and expensive even with a contract. It was a stretch for to for $600+ for he P6800 but I am happy with my purchase because it has what I wanted, 3g+wifi and unlocked. Carries need to learn to adopt or have the manufacturers sell them directly to the customers and forgo carriers all together.
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You might want to check your facts there bud. The Verizon Tab 7.7 is not only a 3G/WiFi device, but it's also an LTE device. The only thing holding the Verizon Tab 7.7 back is software and carrier subsidy bull****. As far as hardware and build quality go though, the Verizon Tab 7.7 is the best of the three. In addition to the added LTE radio, the Verizon Tab 7.7 also retained the IR emitter that was seen on early engineering samples of the Tab 7.7. I have no idea why Samsung pulled the IR emitter from the GT-P6800 and GT-P6810, but left it in the SCH-I815; but it definitely adds value to the I815.
Anyway, I personally went with the GT-P6810 because I always have a tethering-enabled handset on me and Verizon's pricing/contract for the SCH-I815 was ridiculous. So with an internet connection always in my pocket, buying a tablet with built-in 3G/4G/LTE would only make sense if it were the same price as the WiFi-only model. In my case, at the time of purchase, my GT-P6810 was (U.S.) $439. The GT-P6800 was $549 and the SCH-I815 was $500 w/2 yr. contract or $800 off-contract; a ridiculous price in my opinion. However, in the spirit of honesty and fairness, it is my understanding that the off-contract price of the SCH-I815 has been reduced to a much more reasonable $549, and now has monthly data plans available for it. Nevertheless, the SCH-I815 is definitely the most drool-worthy of the Tab 7.7's.
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Mister_Mxyzptlk said:
You might want to check your facts there bud. The Verizon Tab 7.7 is not only a 3G/WiFi device, but it's also an LTE device. The only thing holding the Verizon Tab 7.7 back is software and carrier subsidy bull****. As far as hardware and build quality go though, the Verizon Tab 7.7 is the best of the three. In addition to the added LTE radio, the Verizon Tab 7.7 also retained the IR emitter that was seen on early engineering samples of the Tab 7.7. I have no idea why Samsung pulled the IR emitter from the GT-P6800 and GT-P6810, but left it in the SCH-I815; but it definitely adds value to the I815.
Anyway, I personally went with the GT-P6810 because I always have a tethering-enabled handset on me and Verizon's pricing/contract for the SCH-I815 was ridiculous. So with an internet connection always in my pocket, buying a tablet with built-in 3G/4G/LTE would only make sense if it were the same price as the WiFi-only model. In my case, at the time of purchase, my GT-P6810 was (U.S.) $439. The GT-P6800 was $549 and the SCH-I815 was $500 w/2 yr. contract or $800 off-contract; a ridiculous price in my opinion. However, in the spirit of honesty and fairness, it is my understanding that the off-contract price of the SCH-I815 has been reduced to a much more reasonable $549, and now has monthly data plans available for it. Nevertheless, the SCH-I815 is definitely the most drool-worthy of the Tab 7.7's.
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The p6800 has a gsm radio, allowing it to make phone calls. Thats what adinis was getting at.

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Be glad it was even offered in your country, I had to import mine, and opt for the wifi since the 3G was ridiculously expensive. But this is what one pays for such tech, still I doubt the manufacturing price is that high even, for the wifi version.
Personally I am a big supporter of OLED tech, first oled device was the sony X series walkman, then the S2 and now the 7.7. I await the day of an OLED laptop, but I feel that is at least 2-3 years off.
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Mine was an import but bought through a US net retailer.
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Mine was an import but bought through a US net retailer.
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I had to import my P6810 too. Even though Verizon's Tab 7.7 was very appealing, it was still far less expensive to import a P6810 than to buy an I815 on or off contract. However, if the I815 had the same level of development interest as the P68*0, I probably could have justified the extra expense. That IR emitter is really useful for when you're on your Tab 7.7 in the living room; and Verizon's LTE is blazing fast. The I815 is a hell of a device.
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aletheus said:
I have a feeling apples 'design' patents will wind up invalidated. They are TOO general, I among MANY others are surprised they were granted in the first place.
so do you think apple was partially to blame for the 7.7's flop?
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as far as I remember, our 7.7was originally intended to compete against the iPad 2, it was like September of that year. iPad was the talk of the town but our tab. a new comer boasting the legendary SAMOLED+ screen, with the dual, 1.4ghz procee couple with the thinnest waistline during those days and packing a 5100 mah batt. it's too much for Apple and will surely hurt their iPad 2 sales. hence, the temporary injunction, delaying the launch by 3 months or so. Wherein people waiting for our 7.7 just bought its little brother. the 7.0 plus
I'm one of those who lose hope when the 7.7 was banned and just pick up a p1000 instead jut to satisfy my tablet hunger
"apple gave the world a tablet, samsung gave the world a choice"
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The p6800 has a gsm radio, allowing it to make phone calls. Thats what adinis was getting at.
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It's really a bummer when carriers need to limit such a wonderful device to earn more. yest they can do this if you love iPad and iPhone, 2 separate entities. but for the Samsung galaxy tab 7 series with complete function, it's ridiculous. I'm using my Tab both as my primary phone and PDA, it serves me well, just waiting for more twirks from SIII lol, like the svoice (speakoit seems to be better for me though)