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(Discussion) Is the X10 able to display 16m colors?

Hi everybody, I am starting this thread to discuss the probability of the x10 displaying 16.7m colors. I see there is a lot of confusion as a lot of people say it supports it and a lot say that it doesn't, especially after a member in another thread who has a test version of Android 2.1 has said that there is no color improvement. I wanted to see what everyone knows and if we can figure it out. So please go ahead and share what you know.

SE claims to have it already.
If you can tell the differences between 16 millions against 65k colours, your eyes must be godly.

wrongfeifong said:
SE claims to have it already.
If you can tell the differences between 16 millions against 65k colours, your eyes must be godly.
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In that case I have godly eyes, there's fairly distinct banding going on with some images. Gradients tend to look crap on 65K when compared to 16M.

sorry my eye is bad, i can't see the colour differences in normal photo until you see a 1 single color pair right beside another and fading out.
I am not sure about it
Anyway, most images you see on the internet are 16bits.
You can't compare 32 bits with a picture paint on 16 bits. Of course, you won't notice the differences.
I personally drew a CG and placed as my wall paper. When i take it up to my LCD screen to compare there is no differences when i am running 32 bits because i drew it in 16 bits.
I doubt anyone draw stuff on 32 bits, it is a pain at least in photoshop.
You might have to compare it with picture taken as 32 bits vs 16 bits to see it on the 2.1

wrongfeifong said:
SE claims to have it already.
If you can tell the differences between 16 millions against 65k colours, your eyes must be godly.
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Can i ask where you found that information from? I mean where did SE claim that? Ill be interested to see that because another member posted a blog where SE manager said it supported only 65k.

wrongfeifong said:
sorry my eye is bad, i can't see the colour differences in normal photo until you see a 1 single color pair right beside another and fading out.
I am not sure about it
Anyway, most images you see on the internet are 16bits.
You can't compare 32 bits with a picture paint on 16 bits. Of course, you won't notice the differences.
I personally drew a CG and placed as my wall paper. When i take it up to my LCD screen to compare there is no differences when i am running 32 bits because i drew it in 16 bits.
I doubt anyone draw stuff on 32 bits, it is a pain at least in photoshop.
You might have to compare it with picture taken as 32 bits vs 16 bits to see it on the 2.1
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Most images aren't CG, atleast not in my experience. There's a new fad that's been going around the world for a few years. It's called photography and they say it gives even better pictures than computer generated graphics.

when i said taken, that's what i mean. Take real picture compare to real picture might show the differences. But if you going to compare the little graphic buttons to another button you won't find anything.

@wrongfeifong Can u please point me where SE claimed that the screen is 16m?

Nankov said:
@wrongfeifong Can u please point me where SE claimed that the screen is 16m?
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They didn't! The screen is supposedly 16M colors, but surpressed by the 1.6 to 65K. That was said long time ago by a reviewer of the phone.
Then it bacame a rumor on every site, and then everybody began to believe it. The truth is out there...somewhere...

Nankov said:
Hi everybody, I am starting this thread to discuss the probability of the x10 displaying 16.7m colors. I see there is a lot of confusion as a lot of people say it supports it and a lot say that it doesn't, especially after a member in another thread who has a test version of Android 2.1 has said that there is no color improvement. I wanted to see what everyone knows and if we can figure it out. So please go ahead and share what you know.
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Lets wait for 2.1 to be released, then we can comment on it.... before that everything is useless and timepass.......

Yes youre right we will know when 2.1 comes but i wanted to see what everyone knows. like is there a program that you can run on the screen and it will give you info, I am not familiar with that kind of stuff that's why i am asking people to share what they know.
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Didn't they ? you know how rumors goes. Some say 2.1 get 720p, some say 2.1 get laser beams, some say 2.1 will get a remote control that control your car, and with 2.1 on x10, you can transform into a super hero by putting it in your belt and cry out "Transform" and obtain super human power to battle evils.

My man no need to be rude and post such a useless post. Its just a disscusion that was going on at the 2.1 early update thread that i wanted to move here.
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The official word from Sony Ericsson marketing is that the display supports 65,536 colours whereas the SE developers say 16M. Both are correct, in a sense. Marketing is correct in that the device supports 65K and the developers are correct in that the panel supports 16M. The device isn't just the hardware, the software on it is a component and with 1.6 on it it only supports 65K.
This should mean that a decision to ship 2.1 without 16M (if they do so) might not be just technical. Worst case scenario means that you'll have to flash custom ROMs to get full colour depth.

Going by the data currently available on the SE Webiste I would say the screen in NOT capable of 16M colors....becoz the X10 specs on the site clearly say 65K colors ...where as the specs of the X10 Mini (which has the same Android 1.6 color limitation) says 16M colors...
But then i remember seeing a Tweet by SE folks that the screen is 16M capable....Well SE PR has a reputation on being wrong !!!

Most laptops and cheap TN desktop displays claim to support millions of colors, but they do not. Thy are 2XX,XXX or 65,000 and dithered.
6bit + 2bit dithering.

farhan032 said:
Going by the data currently available on the SE Webiste I would say the screen in NOT capable of 16M colors....becoz the X10 specs on the site clearly say 65K colors ...where as the specs of the X10 Mini (which has the same Android 1.6 color limitation) says 16M colors...
But then i remember seeing a Tweet by SE folks that the screen is 16M capable....Well SE PR has a reputation on being wrong !!!
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Well if the X10 mini does support 16 mil colours and the X10 does not than the SE team is full with stupid people.

berbecverde said:
Well if the X10 mini does support 16 mil colours and the X10 does not than the SE team is full with stupid people.
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+ 100 , but chances are

farhan032 said:
Going by the data currently available on the SE Webiste I would say the screen in NOT capable of 16M colors....becoz the X10 specs on the site clearly say 65K colors ...where as the specs of the X10 Mini (which has the same Android 1.6 color limitation) says 16M colors...
But then i remember seeing a Tweet by SE folks that the screen is 16M capable....Well SE PR has a reputation on being wrong !!!
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Quick question:
Do you believe in all advertising and that all advertising is completely honest all the time?
Seriously though, just because a spec on a site says something it doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. Websites are created by people and people make mistakes.

Official white paper of x10 mini by SE(have they gone mad)

Hi again,as i posted the official white paper of x10 by SE a few days ago now i am posting the official white paper of x10 mini,have a look on this and tell has SE gone mad as you can see there will be 16.7M colors on x10 mini where as X10 will still stick to 65k(not even 256K),please comment on this what do you think SE is doing,is this a good move by them to their generous customers?Thanks and below is the link: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/cws/download/1/742/291/1268292895/dw-300004-X10_minipro_WP_2.pdf

WHAT THA FU*K!!!! I bet they made a mistake lol

dk2000zx said:
WHAT THA FU*K!!!! I bet they made a mistake lol
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i hope so otherwise ***************** what should i say.

That better be a f-ing mistake!!!!!!
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They have to give the mini something to make it look like a worthwhile purchase. It hasn't got much else going for it lol
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NightSidew1nd3r said:
They have to give the mini something to make it look like a worthwhile purchase. It hasn't got much else going for it lol
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Well seeing as to how it costs less than half of what the X10 costs, I don't think it should have much going for it in the first place if the X10 doesnt

That's just pure BS from them. I know we're going to get it, but still ridiculous on their slow asses.

This device is a wicked device but its just SE are a bunch of w*nkers who dont please their customers as they used to before the x1, since xperia god knows what they playing at. Tbh i love my x10 and yes i do miss my blackberry 9700 but hey u win some u lose some
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hmmm se is making a huge mess lately :S

the specs are correct. We have the x10 and x10 mini in canada:
http://www.rogers.com/web/link/wire...pe=normal&productId_Detailed=X10MINIR&N=52+11

Looks like it's a game over for the x10

As I own an x10 mini I can confirm the phone does indeed support 16 million colours.
I'll upload a screen cap if you like, but I wouldn't want to offend x10(big) owners.

Contrarian said:
As I own an x10 mini I can confirm the phone does indeed support 16 million colours.
I'll upload a screen cap if you like, but I wouldn't want to offend x10(big) owners.
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Lol jerk!
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As promised

Lower color depth improve framerate, remember, the x10 screen is huge.
And, also, SE are such cheap bastards.

rcso2010 said:
Lower color depth improve framerate, remember, the x10 screen is huge.
And, also, SE are such cheap bastards.
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yeah I just can't believe it -.- hope the mini dies faster than the big one xD

Contrarian said:
As I own an x10 mini I can confirm the phone does indeed support 16 million colours.
I'll upload a screen cap if you like, but I wouldn't want to offend x10(big) owners.
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Dont think anyone would be offended, I would take a 4 inch screen over 16million colours anyday. And it still looks brilliant with just 65k
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SE has gone off their rockers with the 2.1 update. True X10 has a big screen, HTC Desire HD has a bigger one 4.3 and it has 16M colors.
Thinking to upgrading my X10 to HTC Desire HD when it releases in Oct, this one has 2.2 out of the box.
Flash, App2SD, 8M CAM, more memory, FM radio, multi-touch and bigger screen with 16M colors, makes my X10 looks like an extinct dinosaur.

gpmg762 said:
SE has gone off their rockers with the 2.1 update. True X10 has a big screen, HTC Desire HD has a bigger one 4.3 and it has 16M colors.
Thinking to upgrading my X10 to HTC Desire HD when it releases in Oct, this one has 2.2 out of the box.
Flash, App2SD, 8M CAM, more memory, FM radio, multi-touch and bigger screen with 16M colors, makes my X10 looks like an extinct dinosaur.
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Yes, desire hd sure looks beautiful I must say. Everything the x10 is and then some.....not to mention it smoked the nexus one with froyo on the benchmark test
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gpmg762 said:
SE has gone off their rockers with the 2.1 update. True X10 has a big screen, HTC Desire HD has a bigger one 4.3 and it has 16M colors.
Thinking to upgrading my X10 to HTC Desire HD when it releases in Oct, this one has 2.2 out of the box.
Flash, App2SD, 8M CAM, more memory, FM radio, multi-touch and bigger screen with 16M colors, makes my X10 looks like an extinct dinosaur.
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You know... in 6 months, there will be an even better phone, right?
You know... that's how technology works, right?
You know... it's silly to compare year old technology to brand new right?
Nah. I welcome your posts in 6 months, when SE announces the X20, with Android 3.5 out of the box, with support for PlayStation 3 games, super-multi-touch, and a 50mp camera with x-ray vision that makes your Desire HD look like the **** a dinosaur took millions of years ago.

Xperia X10 vs Nexus one vs Nexus S

Google provide a compare page where we can compare any android device with the brand new nexus s
what i found out is that our precious X10 can do up to 10 hours of talk time while the brand new Nexus S can only sustain 6 hrs.!!
Also, there is no major change in hardware.
here's the link:
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=nexus-one&phone=sony-ericsson-xperia-x10

To me, the Nexus S's specification is very mediocre. I would love to rub it in MR's review of the Anzu in the face that even the Nexus S does not require something they are so trying to persuade us with. It's a great piece of hardware though don't get me wrong as I am not bashing on SS, and it just tells us straight forward that this is all that is needed to run 2.3. Unlike someone who bashed on Anzu that it doesn't have Ooh's and Ah's. Well what Ooh's and Ah's does the S has over Anzu or even the X10? may be just NFC and screen(for X10). What does Anzu have over the S? Welp we're about to find out

Yeah, didn't MR say the NS was super advanced? Dual core? These were their reasons for saying the ANZU was doomed?
I'd love to see those asshats eat their words!
Come on unknown13x, what surprises does ANZU have for us?

Sewez said:
what i found out is that our precious X10 can do up to 10 hours of talk time while the brand new Nexus S can only sustain 6 hrs.!!
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Ahem... ah - when was the last time anyone got 450hrs of standby on their x10... the 10hrs talk time is bull$hit, and I think we all know that...
Sometimes I half lucky to get 10hrs standby...
So maybe the Nexus S just has an accurate talk time as opposed to a highly inflated one...

HYPER-X10 said:
Yeah, didn't MR say the NS was super advanced? Dual core? These were their reasons for saying the ANZU was doomed?
I'd love to see those asshats eat their words!
Come on unknown13x, what surprises does ANZU have for us?
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keyword "BRAVIA"

Specs aren't everything, fellas. Many other Android handsets trump the Xperia X10 and don't have the same inflated numbers.
The Nexus S is inherently going to be better just for the support alone.

unknown13x said:
keyword "BRAVIA"
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Is it display tech related or resolution related?

bongd said:
Specs aren't everything, fellas. Many other Android handsets trump the Xperia X10 and don't have the same inflated numbers.
The Nexus S is inherently going to be better just for the support alone.
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I totally agree with you here. The NS just showed the entire world that hardware isn't everything. Sometimes it gets to the point where hardware is pointless to move further, and its more about functionality/usability. This is what NS is trying to change, and I have no doubt it will work. Luckily SE and some other brands are going the same path. Unlike some blind place where tech has to be the newest and the best of all times. Tell me what would you use it for, compile codes? encode video? music editing? It's a phone for god's sake. I'm happy to see people are seeing the message from Google's intention that specs isn't everything. They're clearing the cloud to the new models that follow the same footsteps. In my opinion, the release of NS actually sheds light for Anzu to shine too. Since SE will be focusing on the usability/functionality, it is up to them to make sure it is of quality that they always have.
HYPER-X10 said:
Is it display tech related or resolution related?
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Hm....may be both? All I was told is the tech related. I have no clue about resolution at the moment.

unknown13x said:
All I was told is the tech related. I have no clue about resolution at the moment.
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Well, hopefully it is some kind of Sony developed (NOT pen-tile) OLED. But that might be asking too much.....
I don't care about resolution. It's going to be at least 480x854, which is plenty good enough imo. Any more is not really noticeable at normal viewing distances and would just lead to unnecessary cpu/gpu load. (again, just imo)

k1sr said:
Ahem... ah - when was the last time anyone got 450hrs of standby on their x10... the 10hrs talk time is bull$hit, and I think we all know that...
Sometimes I half lucky to get 10hrs standby...
So maybe the Nexus S just has an accurate talk time as opposed to a highly inflated one...
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non of the models can sustain their claimed talking hours unless you plan to fully charge it and disable everything that the processor uses and then make the call

MJ_QaT said:
non of the models can sustain their claimed talking hours unless you plan to fully charge it and disable everything that the processor uses and then make the call
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Yes, I always find those claims to be outrageously laughable. They should always be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just pleased that my battery does hold up well at least.

HDMI port
-Exmor R sensor
-Full multitouch
-Qriocity
-thinner
-multicoloured back covers
-Timescape plugins
Display
-4.2” FWVGA (854x480) Capacitive display
-X.LED multi-touch display
-Capacitive multi-touch
-Scratch resistant mineral glass
-16 Million display color
-Auto rotate
Facts about anzu. Thanx to lollylost.

se_dude said:
HDMI port
-Exmor R sensor
-Full multitouch
-Qriocity
-thinner
-multicoloured back covers
-Timescape plugins
Display
-4.2” FWVGA (854x480) Capacitive display
-X.LED multi-touch display
-Capacitive multi-touch
-Scratch resistant mineral glass
-16 Million display color
-Auto rotate
Facts about anzu. Thanx to lollylost.
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Hmm...not sure about Exmor. Anzu is not camera oriented. It might have the same module as the X10. Just 8MP. There will be something else carrying the Exmor sensor, and it is a full streamed camera oriented device The rest is pretty obvious, so no new info there really...The Xperia lineups will be oriented into different segments. Bravia, Cybershot, etc.

k1sr said:
Ahem... ah - when was the last time anyone got 450hrs of standby on their x10... the 10hrs talk time is bull$hit, and I think we all know that...
Sometimes I half lucky to get 10hrs standby...
So maybe the Nexus S just has an accurate talk time as opposed to a highly inflated one...
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I know the X10 can't sustain 10hrs of talk time, but i don't think the Nexus S will sustain the promised 6hrs (which the X10 can do in my case)
My X10 can do 2 days of standby (without heavy usage)

unknown13x said:
Hmm...not sure about Exmor. Anzu is not camera oriented. It might have the same module as the X10. Just 8MP. There will be something else carrying the Exmor sensor, and it is a full streamed camera oriented device The rest is pretty obvious, so no new info there really...The Xperia lineups will be oriented into different segments. Bravia, Cybershot, etc.
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Any info about the timescape plugins? because we should be getting those too for the x10....

pngface said:
Any info about the timescape plugins? because we should be getting those too for the x10....
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Haven't played with the unit personally so I cannot say. There's alot of difference in terms of apps and plug-ins between Anzu and X10, but I cannot say if X10 will also get it.

Perhaps this will be part of the UXP update? I'm sure I read about extra stuff for timescape and media scape in the update, not that anyone uses them mind tbh lol
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steve.adams.x10 said:
Perhaps this will be part of the UXP update? I'm sure I read about extra stuff for timescape and media scape in the update, not that anyone uses them mind tbh lol
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Yes, the next update is an UXP heavy update. Performance boost plus massive Timescape + Mediascape update. I love the Mediascape Timescape, haven't used it much. I only use it to update my status so it shows "Update by Sony Ericsson X10"

Tbh I'm not overfussed about mediascape, power amp knocks the socks off it even tho no video or photo support for music it is simply the best and iv yet really to find a use for time scape but I won't say no to a performance boost
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Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc Preview By GSMarena

hey guys,
just came across this preview on GSMarena, looks pretty good, huh?
Sony Ericsson XPERIA Arc at a glance:
•General: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, UMTS 850/900/1900/2100 MHz, 7.2Mbps HSDPA, 5.76Mbps HSUPA
•Form factor: Touchscreen bar phone
•Dimensions: 125 x 63 x 8.7-10 mm, 117 g
•Display: 4.2" 16M-color TFT capacitive touchscreen, 854 x 480 pixels
•CPU: Qualcomm MSM8255 1 GHz Snapdragon platform
•OS: Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
•Memory: 287MB storage, 512MB RAM, microSD card slot, 8GB card included in the retail box
•Camera: 8 megapixel auto-focus camera with LED flash, face detection and touch focus; 720p video recording at 30fps
•Connectivity: Wi-Fi b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1 with A2DP, standard microUSB port, GPS receiver with A-GPS, 3.5mm audio jack, microHDMI port
•Misc: Sony Ericsson Timescape UI, built-in accelerometer, proximity sensor, Sony Mobile Bravia engine, multi-touch input, scratch-resistant surface
link here
another one

Lancez said:
looks pretty good, huh?
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"I just jizzed my pants"
Looks so good
*I love the way the app drawer opens/is

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=889852
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906356

Eventhough the majority over here never takes a se again, i will definitely buy one as soon it hits the market here in Holland, i love the design of it and for me the specs are well enough.
Sent from my x32 using the licking write method....man I am thirsty now!

Why did they leave the ambient light sensor out? So if your standing in the sun, you need to go to the menu and turn the brightness up manually, or else you can't see a thing. Big flaw in my opinion. Someone at Sony Ericsson is making stupid mistakes. Even the old w810 had an ambient light sensor, and that was 5 years ago.

Im also convinced the SE arc is by far the best looking smartphone to date, although the specs look nice at THIS moment, they probably wont anymore once this device launches in a couple of months and as far as i know, here in belgium, such devices launch couple months later than in US.
So, by the summer, when it releases over here, this phone will be "outdated" compared to the other phones coming out in the same period.
I wont buy a SE ever again, their experience and customer service is far below standards.
My next phone will more be something like the Motorola Atrix 4G.
-2x 1ghz dual-core
-1gb ram
-HD camera
-front facing camera (although this is not really needed in my opinion)
-16gb internal + up to 32gb external
-1950 mwat battery
although it looks like overkill atm, this device will last much longer than the arc, only needs software update. (and we all know this probably wont even happen with the Arc...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8CgBdGCZk
You do have to sacrifice on the looks, but the inside will blow away every single device on the market.

I sooo damn want it

XperiaX10iUser said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=889852
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906356
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i know the rules and this one deserves it's own place. in depth preview with videos, baby!

Lancez said:
i know the rules and this one deserves it's own place. in depth preview with videos, baby!
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Might be an idea to update the first post then with said information, otherwise it's no different to the others that have links to the same information.

When looking at the screenshots of the UI and such I just can't get past the feeling that we X10 users should see the same improvements and tweaks as the Arc. I don't want to turn this into another SE-hatethread, but it just feels wrong. This being my first Android, and smartphone in general, I feel a bit disappointed. But well, I guess you get what you buy.

People who are getting it should be rich to spend a lot of money each 10 months SE releases a successor of their trend phone!
Unfortunately, I'm not rich but besides that, I rather to wait at least one and a half year to get a new phone. I wonder how advanced the smartphones will be by then, and what place the Xperia Arc will have in that time.
Oh, wait... It's gonna be obsolete 'cause it's gonna have a successor already in January 2012!
Seriously, Im not flaming... But I just wish good look to you guys with arc. Hope that SE doesn't do the same mistakes and gives to arc good updates, at least two Android upgrades and more time before replaces it with a new phone.

Lancez said:
hey guys,
just came across this preview on GSMarena, looks pretty good, huh?
Sony Ericsson XPERIA Arc at a glance:
•General: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, UMTS 850/900/1900/2100 MHz, 7.2Mbps HSDPA, 5.76Mbps HSUPA
•Form factor: Touchscreen bar phone
•Dimensions: 125 x 63 x 8.7-10 mm, 117 g
•Display: 4.2" 16M-color TFT capacitive touchscreen, 854 x 480 pixels
•CPU: Qualcomm MSM8255 1 GHz Snapdragon platform
•OS: Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
•Memory: 287MB storage, 512MB RAM, microSD card slot, 8GB card included in the retail box
•Camera: 8 megapixel auto-focus camera with LED flash, face detection and touch focus; 720p video recording at 30fps
•Connectivity: Wi-Fi b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1 with A2DP, standard microUSB port, GPS receiver with A-GPS, 3.5mm audio jack, microHDMI port
•Misc: Sony Ericsson Timescape UI, built-in accelerometer, proximity sensor, Sony Mobile Bravia engine, multi-touch input, scratch-resistant surface
link here
another one
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So it is compatible with AT&T 3G network then, ha?

caifanX10 said:
Hope that SE doesn't do the same mistakes and gives to arc good updates, at least two Android upgrades and more time before replaces it with a new phone.
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+1. No doubt it's a really nice phone, but as every other X10 owner knows they dropped the ball with this one, so I'm in no rush to go upgrade just yet.

We have all complained about the first SE android phone the x10, but if we are honest may of us will be upgrading to this baby when our contracts are up.
Lets not forgot SE's first go at the android market, the x10, has not been a bad attempt. If we are honest we all knew that they would not support it for long as they would move on very quickly to the put all they learnt into the next big hope.
And this phone is gorgeous I can quite happy to have the rubbish support, poor customer service and all the other mistakes se made because this phone looks damn good.
While XDA is around if we are honest we couldnt care less about se support as we have this place and it caters for all we need,

chiefy009 said:
We have all complained about the first SE android phone the x10, but if we are honest may of us will be upgrading to this baby when our contracts are up.
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I highly doubt many of us will be upgrading to the Arc. From what I've been reading, many existing X10 customers who would frequent forums like this or blog/tweet about their phones (ie: those somewhat more advanced users) have already told SE to go forth an multiply.
chiefy009 said:
And this phone is gorgeous I can quite happy to have the rubbish support, poor customer service and all the other mistakes se made because this phone looks damn good.
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Looks aren't everything. Sure, SE makes good looking phones, but what good is that when they saddle the usability with crapware and poor support. It's like having a Porsche with a 150hp engine, what's the point. Besides, if you keep your phone protected by any sort of case or skin, the looks don't matter much when they're covered up. If we wanted something pretty and useless with poor support, we'd by an iPhone.
I love XDA and all the hard work people here have put into improving the X10. But that doesn't excuse SE form having to support their own customers.
On a related note: I have requested with mikechannon that a Xperia Arc forum be setup so that the X10 forum can be kept to X10 discussion.

batman_112 said:
So it is compatible with AT&T 3G network then, ha?
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looks like a world phone, but still no words from AT&T yet.

saltorio said:
Looks aren't everything. Sure, SE makes good looking phones, but what good is that when they saddle the usability with crapware and poor support. It's like having a Porsche with a 150hp engine, what's the point. Besides, if you keep your phone protected by any sort of case or skin, the looks don't matter much when they're covered up. If we wanted something pretty and useless with poor support, we'd by an iPhone.
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This is definitely a killer point.

I am one of those who never is going tio buy SE in my whole life, if it depends on me. Its very funny situation. no one has commented that except for the wifi n and the screen it has the same specifications as my x10.....and my x10 is not going tio have gingerbread update....
So you know, go ahead get latest SE thing and get once more outdated the first. Is there in the market any snapdragon stuck in ecclair??? oh yes my x10...
So the next year I am pretty sure if I read one topic of this "new" phone it will be about some update not being ported to arch, although it is capable of this and more.
I think no one should buy a new SE handset, till they change their customer policy. But I know it is an entellechia...
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morox said:
I am one of those who never is going tio buy SE in my whole life, if it depends on me. Its very funny situation. no one has commented that except for the wifi n and the screen it has the same specifications as my x10.....and my x10 is not going tio have gingerbread update....
So you know, go ahead get latest SE thing and get once more outdated the first. Is there in the market any snapdragon stuck in ecclair??? oh yes my x10...
So the next year I am pretty sure if I read one topic of this "new" phone it will be about some update not being ported to arch, although it is capable of this and more.
I think no one should buy a new SE handset, till they change their customer policy. But I know it is an entellechia...
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X10 dose not have snapdragon Sony was once a industry leader, x10 was first attempt into android world, give them sometime.

Lancez said:
X10 dose not have snapdragon Sony was once a industry leader, x10 was first attempt into android world, give them sometime.
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+1. Agree with what you said. If they screw up the upcoming handsets, then they have no excuse and they probably go under. I am sure the execs at Sony understand that full well.

xperia arc review - engadget

First review I have seen
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/30/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-review/

everything non Apple is bad for Engadget
mith500 said:
First review I have seen
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/30/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-review/
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This Engadget site is pro Apple and is against anything else which is not made by Apple. Ignore this site for android device reviews

hung77 said:
This Engadget site is pro Apple and is against anything else which is not made by Apple. Ignore this site for android device reviews
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quite, dear sir, quite.
i never liked them..

Why on earth did the Incredible S get 8 points and the Arc 7? Same chips, Arc has a bigger and better screen, better camera, looks great and sleek, comes with 2.3 already (!), only has less RAM. And did they even mention sound/call quality?
Engadget is a bad joke.

george232 said:
Why on earth did the Incredible S get 8 points and the Arc 7? Same chips, Arc has a bigger and better screen, better camera, looks great and sleek, comes with 2.3 already (!), only has less RAM. And did they even mention sound/call quality?
Engadget is a bad joke.
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But I do agree with them that the videocam is terrible ! I hope they can fix that.
Personally I'd give it 8 out of 10 but that comes from a guy who just ordered one today and cant wait to get it on friday. Guess I "want" it to be 8/10.
Ah what the hell, its gonna be awesome

I love how they wouldnt stop talking about how thin the iphone 4 was but it was barely mentioned in the Arc review and when it was, it was shown in a negative light. The iphone 4 should have gotten a 7 just for the fact that the screen is so bloody small.
Horrible Engadget horrible.

Theres another review over at What Mobile, quite thorough and seems generally positive. They gave the phone a 5 out of 5
Sadly i cant paste links yet, but google sony ericsson arc review and you should see it, or go to What Mobile's site

The only downside to the Arc's buttonry is one we spotted with the Xperia Play as well -- there's no illumination for the key labels in the dark. You get a pair of lights marking the division between each key, but their purpose is basically indecipherable when the phone's used in the dark
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Hahaha... ooh 3 buttons.. oooh.. I can't remember which one is which.. it's so complex! if only there was just one button.. that would be much better!

hung77 said:
This Engadget site is pro Apple and is against anything else which is not made by Apple. Ignore this site for android device reviews
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I do not bother visiting Engadget any more as they are only positive with Apple products. Time to clean out the reviewers I think and get some fresh faces there that will give us unbiased opinions on new technology from non fan boys.
I was hopping the camera was as good as they were making out it was going to be in there advertising lets hope there can be a software update to improve the quality a little.

Engadget is a good source for review
You can check also CNet UK which give good review
(http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-review-50002090/)
The point is that SE saves money where they should not
Giving little RAM make no sense
It makes the machine slow when running new games or multi-tasking and this is not what the end user want
It is difficult enough to compete with dual-cores so at least give us 512mb or 768mb - this is also probably the reason why the camera video is jerky
Camera also not as good as advertised since small sensor

Nice. I have a feeling that a Factory unlocked Xperia ARC will be my next device . IF the unlock bootlader thing comes out first!

Positive review on Pocket Lint as well.
http://m.pocket-lint.com/reviews/review_summary.phtml/5341

assafk said:
Camera also not as good as advertised since small sensor
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It's far better than the iPhone 4 camera. I have both.
And the advertisement was mainly in the low light capabilities, where it's FAR better than the iPhone.

i like this thing!! i buy this thing!!
it rocks!

assafk said:
You can check also CNet UK which give good review
(http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc-review-50002090/)
The point is that SE saves money where they should not
Giving little RAM make no sense
It makes the machine slow when running new games or multi-tasking and this is not what the end user want
It is difficult enough to compete with dual-cores so at least give us 512mb or 768mb - this is also probably the reason why the camera video is jerky
Camera also not as good as advertised since small sensor
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1) arc has 512 ram. all new xperias have 512 ram
2) the camera is awsome, for a phone. there are comparison vids between iphone4 and arc.. you see the difference lol
3) camera is not jerky cuz of low ram. lol. or am i wrong here? but still if it can be, they must have had a ton of apps in the background, since 300+ mb of user available ram is MORE than enough for a friggin camera lol.

Even while multitask-gaming (multiple games open at once) and listening to music and just using my Arc for general stuff, I haven't dropped below 80MB free RAM. And I do not use task killers or kill processes. RAM is really not a problem ATM.
The camera is really, really good for a phone. Only the Nokia N8 has a better camera. Especially in low light, the photos might not be really really good, but they're still by far the best of all mobile phone cameras. In such a small and slim device it's impossible to fit a larger sensor, so it's impossible to get a much better camera anyway.
Camera video jerky? There's a small bug that makes video hang for half a second when switching between very dark and very light images, but that is the only thing I've noticed, and it happens very rarely.

hung77 said:
This Engadget site is pro Apple and is against anything else which is not made by Apple. Ignore this site for android device reviews
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I understand your point but did you even read the article? They gave it a good review. Also to those referring to the number system please remember that the same person does not usually do all phone reviews so they are subjective.
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gsm arena's xperia arc review is out
but I cant read it, it is gibberish....WTF! April fools or what?
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc-review-583.php
EDIT: new link for the review in English...lol
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc-review-584.php

It should be clear by now that this review article, outlived in a day, was a mere April's Fools Day joke. We have a proper Arc review up online, so you should refer to that instead. We're glad you saw the funny side of it. If you are interested, you can find more about the Lorem ipsum dolor text here. To see more of our 1st April's spirit, check out our Genesis tablet.
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Yup, Arpil fool. They have a real review up but i can't link it.

The lorem ipsum dolor text is an old Microsoft joke used to display how fonts appear in Word to give the user an idea which font to choose. The text means nothing, it's a bunch of words sounding Latin and therefore important and smart.