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Xperia X10 or Galaxy S?

i know this is a Xperia subforum, so I know there will be a bias so lets try to keep that at a minimum.
anyway i'm thinking about getting a new phone and my top pic is still the xperia x10a, but my cousin told me about the galaxy, its not as good looking as the xperia but it is fast with an awesome gpu.
since I dont have either phones, maybe some of you guys could help me out in picking the right phone.
thanks

apr1000 said:
i know this is a Xperia subforum, so I know there will be a bias so lets try to keep that at a minimum.
anyway i'm thinking about getting a new phone and my top pic is still the xperia x10a, but my cousin told me about the galaxy, its not as good looking as the xperia but it is fast with an awesome gpu.
since I dont have either phones, maybe some of you guys could help me out in picking the right phone.
thanks
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I've played with both, the X10 and the Galaxy "Spica". There's no competition, except price, so if you've got the money, get the X10 for sure

sry not the spice, but the galaxy s i9000 or i9600 something like that
4 inch screen, 1 ghz processer, gpu with 90 milllion triangles per second.

Talonnb said:
I've played with both, the X10 and the Galaxy "Spica". There's no competition, except price, so if you've got the money, get the X10 for sure
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To be honest, I think the Galaxy S is better than the X10 in all aspects apart from the camera, and screen viewing angles in daylight, which I don't know about.
If you like its design, go get it!

I was stuck between those two phones too, but ultimately, decided to go for the X10 because Samsung generally (in my experience) makes buggy phones, and rarely offers updates to fix it. As well, no LED flash.

chris_knows said:
I was stuck between those two phones too, but ultimately, decided to go for the X10 because Samsung generally (in my experience) makes buggy phones, and rarely offers updates to fix it. As well, no LED flash.
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how do you like the x10 so far?

chris_knows said:
I was stuck between those two phones too, but ultimately, decided to go for the X10 because Samsung generally (in my experience) makes buggy phones, and rarely offers updates to fix it. As well, no LED flash.
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You are so right!!!! I had the samsung i900, samsung i8000 and deffenetly i will never buy a samsung phone ever. Software support, firmware updates are very bad, buggy phones, and for sure they will update the phone for the next 6 months and than they will dump it. They did that with i900, and the i8000.
Personnally i choosed between HTC DESIRE, HTC LEGEND and x10. I went for the x10.

I had a bad experience with Samsung, although it was many years ago I've not used Samsung Galaxy S, but on paper it is better than X10. I don't know how it's in use. Personally i would have choosen X10

apr1000 said:
sry not the spice, but the galaxy s i9000 or i9600 something like that
4 inch screen, 1 ghz processer, gpu with 90 milllion triangles per second.
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it was proven that at 1ghz it could only give 29 million triangles , not 90 , if it is 90 million it should be able to play 1080 video , but it can't

I would definately go for the I9000 because it has a gyroscope, android 2.2, multi-touch (the real one not dual-touch ) 5 mp camera which makes perfect pictures!!! x10 has flash that s true, but honestly the pictures in the dark are very bad, it doesn t make a lot of difference. And ok the I9000 has software bugs, but x10 has them as well, ooh dont forget the front camera now that facetalk is introduced on the iphone 4 it is definately going to be neccesary
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iphone 4 is better then samsun Galaxy i9000, you are better off with iphone 4. X10 is already a 1 year ago phone.

my suggestion, go for x10 but if you want samsung galaxy then wait for the S2 in the near future.

@wrongfeifong - X10 isn't a year ago phone - it's a current phone, with a 6 months ago OS.. which is due to be upgraded to a 3 months ago OS during this quarter... the phone has all the potential.. it just needs SE to harness that potential more effectively, either through their mods to the 2.1 OS, or by further updating to 2.2 (which I understand is much easier than going from 1.6 - 2.1.. so could potentially be with us much quicker.)
I haven't used the new Samsung Android phones but my previous handset was the Tocco.. and it wasn't great.

Personally I'd hold off just a little while longer to see how the hacking of the X10 comes along. I'm in the minority (it seems) that notices the flaws in AMOLED displays and get an insane headache. Me and a mate switched phones over a weekend and by the end of it I couldn't stand the display.
Specs-wise the devices are fairly similar although the Galaxy has more onboard storage while the X10 has a bigger display (resolution-wise, it's a proper 16:9 display) and better camera.
IF (which is likely) we'll be able to get 2.1 or 2.2 hacked onto the X10 I'd say the X10 wins hands down. The battery is the same size and the hardware is similar enough that you can expect the pretty much the same power-usage when we'll be able to tweak the OS more thoroughly.
Once you have full access to making ROMs for a phone there's no real limit to what you can do for performance, even my old HTC Magic would kick the X10's rear in it's current state.

apr1000 said:
how do you like the x10 so far?
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It's nice, but it's also my first Android phone, so don't take my opinion too seriously...
My only complaint is that it might not get Android 2.2 (which is a pretty big deal to me, it might not matter to you), but other than that, hardware is great, it's big, but not so massive that you can't fit it in your pocket or text with one hand, the screen is responsive, battery is decent (generally use it for web browsing, a couple phone calls, and send a lot (like 500ish) texts, and it'll last me the full day, I also like Mediascape; it's better than most Android media players I've seen.

i guess i will get x10 then, but should i get x10a or x10i?
i have t mobile and i wont buy the data plan because my school has wi-fi everywhere, all i need is talk and text.
so i want 2 get x10a due to the warranty offered, will it work for text on t mobile edge?
also any good sites to buy 1 for cheap?

im_iceman said:
@wrongfeifong - X10 isn't a year ago phone - it's a current phone, with a 6 months ago OS.. which is due to be upgraded to a 3 months ago OS during this quarter... the phone has all the potential.. it just needs SE to harness that potential more effectively, either through their mods to the 2.1 OS, or by further updating to 2.2 (which I understand is much easier than going from 1.6 - 2.1.. so could potentially be with us much quicker.)
I haven't used the new Samsung Android phones but my previous handset was the Tocco.. and it wasn't great.
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I start the counting from announcement since when they announce it, it is the current most powerful phone.

Found out the reason I get headaches from AMOLED displays. The stated resolutions aren't actually true, since the technology used to display graphics is different. The short version is that you get about 80% of the stated pixelcount which makes the display slightly blurry. So it looks like TFT-LCD is still the way to go for crispness. Not to mention the fact that it's got huge problems displaying colours properly.
Might be worth considering when comparing phones if the display is important to you.

This is a bad time to invest in a smartphone.
Anyway... Galaxy S looks like an iPhone and i hate it because of this while X10's design/form factor is the best out there.
I think in terms of hardware is a bit better than X10:
It can play divx/xvid using hardware acceleration while for X10 you need a dedicated player (and until now only RockPlayer can do it and is beta).
Galaxy S has multitouch while X10 doesn't (some people say it might but for now it doesn't).
Super AMOLED which beats X10 inside. In daylight, X10's TFT is better but this is a personal opinion.
X10 flash led is pretty useless and Galaxy S doesn't even have one but who takes picture at night with a smartphone anyway?
In terms of quality, i think SE's camera sensor is better than the one used by Samsung.
I don't care about front camera.

Totally agreed with you, the Galaxy S resembles an Iphone. I like the specs on paper but opt for X10 distinct design, plus I had 3 months of nightmare with the Samsung Omnia.

[Q] Sony Xperia Arc Opinions

The Arc looks like a fantastic all around phone in that it has great clear/loud sound/with mega bass. I wonder if this phone is using the Wolfson chip.
Takes great pictures in low light/video is smooth/Hdmi mirroring. Very smooth UI and great colors on the screen.
It has a single core Qualcomm Scorpion MSM8255 processor. I realize its not a Dual Core phone but since they are just entering the market I would prefer to go with a single core 2nd generation phone.
I was thinking of getting the Samsung Galaxy S II but Samsung is still doing updates on the first Galaxy S and I don't trust them re updates.
Sony has stated that they did not handle updates for the X10 very well but promise to do a lot better with updates in regards to the Arc,I believe them.
Furthermore bigger isn;t always better.(Dual Core Vs Single Core)
In the end I want a phone that has clarity/volume in regards to phone calls/Great Camera/Good Video/can play games on it.
Would love to hear your opinions on the Arc Pro/Con.

how could you believe a thief when he tells you he won't steal anything anymore...
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I'm looking for opinions on this phone not looking for stuff like you can never trust a thief.

Its not using wolfson chip.
The camera is about as good or maybe 5% better than the X10's. (check GSMArena photocompare)
The Bravia Engine works only with pictures or videos. Rest of the time its just like any other TFT LCD.
Internal memory is a measly 500 mb.
I personally don't think the Arc justifies its price tag, the Neo has everything the Arc has but at a much cheaper price.
Oh and like the X10, it will take months to crack the bootloader, so no custom ROMs.

SEFanX10i said:
Its not using wolfson chip.
The camera is about as good or maybe 5% better than the X10's. (check GSMArena photocompare)
The Bravia Engine works only with pictures or videos. Rest of the time its just like any other TFT LCD.
Internal memory is a measly 500 mb.
I personally don't think the Arc justifies its price tag, the Neo has everything the Arc has but at a much cheaper price.
Oh and like the X10, it will take months to crack the bootloader, so no custom ROMs.
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apparently this is not the case. The hard lockdown on devices in the past has made it hard even for SE to upgrade the phones. The new phones are said to have a more open bootloader to make it easier to update

+1 for the Neo (how could SE have stuffed up and not given their flagship model a front facing camera.. but given the cheaper model the same fancy new screen and camera chip and also given it a Front camera!) are they really that stupid?
I'm going buy an HTC or Samsung next..and if not them a motorola.. after those choices.. I might consider a Neo
Kiwi

And so here I am on a brand new Arc. Had it for a day or so and must say it's been very smooth so far. My latest phone was an X10i so this is not terribly different...
Anyway, first impressions are very good. Great screen. Native Exchange integration is perfect (except I can't sort contacts by other than first name, believe this is an Android quirk). WiFi tethering was very smooth. DLNA was hitch-free. In-call sound quality is very good, I'd say better than the other Xperias I've had (apparently it has a little mic that takes up background noice to cancel it out, though I think I'll need to fly with a head-set to experience this properly). Why they've switched the "menu" and "back" buttons around I can't understand for the love of me, but maybe there's a reason...
Overall, with my short experience it's been great, so far. Certainly a phone I would recommend to any non-X10 user and probably to those that have X10s, as well.
Cheers for now/M
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what a lucky person!!! i love the phone so much. you must be very close to SE. so can you please advise when it will be released. it think april is too late to wait. im keen to have the phone right away.
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A video review from a guy at ESATO forums:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlIiD5he1S8
My thoughts...very nice design, good screen and very good camera, the bad? it lags too much.

oh wow, I just actually clicked on the video LOL I know that person personally since he's in Thailand. Like both him/I said, wait for the final firmware. That unit he has is still a very early prototype, no where near the final. Some of the hardware isn't even implemented yet, you can tell which . Cheers

joplin48 said:
I'm looking for opinions on this phone not looking for stuff like you can never trust a thief.
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look,when you talking about you don't trust sgs which is only 3 months younger than x10 and got 2.2 update almost the same time as x10 got 2.1, and knowing that SE announced x10 would never receive 2.2 but samsung never claim they won't provide further version, but then you said you trust in SE?
i don't think you need any oppinion at all.
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Got to play the arc, neo and play last night, and I also saw the arc at CES. Its certainly improved since then, and huggee fast first time round.
One thing I noticed is that the widget overview is now smooth, no lag like before.
As for neo vs arc, there are lots of similarities, but when you pick the phones up the arc feels better, special somehow. The neo feels normal... Also the display is better on the arc.
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Does arc support 3g video call?
GN Multimedia - X10i

Nope. No front-view camera.

McHan said:
Nope. No front-view camera.
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Thanks. So sad... really 3g video call feature.
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Neo vs Arc..... I'll say Arc for the design, never used front cameras and don't see a reason to use it
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i am really happy eith it, is fast and has one of the most important thnigs to me... design, the galaxy brand look like crap and are based on iphone design

There are Differences on Arc and Neo not just the Looks
Arc
>Clear Black Panel(No Air Gap, Great Sunlight Legibility, 20% more Brighter than Neo)
>Lightweight(117g) vs (126g)
>Slim Arc Body(8.7mm~10.5mm) vs (13mm)
>Screen Size 4.2" vs 3.7"
Neo
>Front Facing Camera
>Better Hardware Positions(Camera Sensor, Shutter Key)

On the whole, is the Arc worth it? Opinions...

I am looking to upgrade my phone this week, going from a Sony Ericsson W995, and I am looking into getting the Arc. I have been set on it for weeks, but just read on the SE forums a few threads about the phone just randomly shutting off and not doing what it is meant to do.
I just wondered if people would recommend it or not, and if these posts are true or not?

Obviously every phone is different so some ones would reboot and some wouldn't. Mine doesn't everything works for me perfectly, the only thing thats bugging me is that development isnt doing too good, in not complaining cause I know it will come eventually cause the phone hasn't been out that long. I would go for tho phone 100% I cant find anything wrong with it so and ice had it for over a week now
Hope this helps u
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Mine is up for 550 hours without reboot.
It speaks for itself.

Had mine since Mar 31st - and I love it.. had the X10 before and this is 100000000000000000000000000000000x better than that was!.. Had no real big problems with it.. only thing that people seem to consistently have issues with is a bug in the HD video recording which is causing the voice and images to go out of sync.. I'm expecting that they'll fix this in the next firmware release in June(ish)

Well, you are @ arc forum. most people like their phone per details they were looking for. On the other hand, you have to sort out your important facts which you are expecting from your next phone(which varies from one person to another).
Problems you have listed don't appear for everyone, whether I have been lucky with phone or not, I have never encountered issues like that with any of my SE phones.
Your best bet is to go to store and compare list of phones that you are interested side by side and see what makes you happy. but as far as me being an arc owner, I should say that satisfies my needs and I have not yet had any issue with it as everything is solid and moving forward.
I have to say, this phone is exactly what everyone requested from SE to make. Update hardware, software + get rid of all the SCAPES(which is sort of optional now and not integrated anymore) I just love this + possibility to have unlocked bootloader on certain models. What else can you ask?
just my 7 cents

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Had mine since Mar 31st - and I love it.. had the X10 before and this is 100000000000000000000000000000000x better than that was!.. Had no real big problems with it.. only thing that people seem to consistently have issues with is a bug in the HD video recording which is causing the voice and images to go out of sync.. I'm expecting that they'll fix this in the next firmware release in June(ish)
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And huge battery drain from stock camera app.
For 720p recording you can give up image stabilization feature for well-synced audio. For camera you have yo use 3rd party camera app like vignette.

I think this says it all - the Arc is the best single-core handset in the world.
That isn't to say that the Arc is without it's foibles; there are a few things could be better and it's a shame it lacks certain features like a front-facing camera or NFC but the pros outweigh the cons.
It's all down to personal needs though, as well as what sort of deal you can get.
If you can get, say, the Galaxy S2 on the same contract/deal as the Arc, there's really no contest.

Im also very interested in this i own a x10 and have some questions.im thinkin bout it but just dont think is worth getting . The x10 is unbrickable. Its getting custom kernels that are undoin SE's crap. Plus arc doesnt have any custom roms yet And i like the size and desighn of my x10 . And tthe x10 has a pretty strong xda community
Is there a fps cap
Does it do 16 m colors
Hows the camera what kind of camera
Hows the battery life
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rtblittlebrown said:
Is there a fps cap
Does it do 16 m colors
Hows the camera what kind of camera
Hows the battery life
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Not sure, not that I'm aware of.
Yes.
Exmor R backlit-CMOS sensor - same sort of tech Sony use in their proper digital cameras. There are threads in the section with pictures taken by Arcs.
Battery life isn't great but on a par with other similarly-specced handsets I'd say
To be honest, you could've answered the bit about the colours and the type of camera by just looking up the specs.

Step666 said:
Not sure, not that I'm aware of.
Yes.
Exmor R backlit-CMOS sensor - same sort of tech Sony use in their proper digital cameras. There are threads in the section with pictures taken by Arcs.
Battery life isn't great but on a par with other similarly-specced handsets I'd say
To be honest, you could've answered the bit about the colours and the type of camera by just looking up the specs.
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Thanks
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Scott_HKR said:
I am looking to upgrade my phone this week, going from a Sony Ericsson W995, and I am looking into getting the Arc. I have been set on it for weeks, but just read on the SE forums a few threads about the phone just randomly shutting off and not doing what it is meant to do.
I just wondered if people would recommend it or not, and if these posts are true or not?
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Congrats on being the owner of W995. To me, that's the best non-smartphone without touchscreen ever made
You will definitely be very very happy with Arc. There could be something better depending on your needs but you can't go wrong with Arc and I think Arc is currently the best looking phone for my taste and I think it almost feels as good as W995 ;-)

Step666 said:
It's all down to personal needs though, as well as what sort of deal you can get.
If you can get, say, the Galaxy S2 on the same contract/deal as the Arc, there's really no contest.
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Why? Because its dual core? That means absolutely nothing! Dual core is not even needed these days. Galaxy S was an over hype phone imo, ditched it in about a week to get back my X10, and the Galaxy S2 will be the continuation of Samsungs over hyped nonsense.
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You just claimed the X10 was better than the Galaxy S, I'm not even going to begin to waste my time arguing with you.

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You just claimed the X10 was better than the Galaxy S, I'm not even going to begin to waste my time arguing with you.
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I simply stated the galaxy s didnt do a damn thing better or faster than what the x10 already did. Regardless of its specs vs the X10....it was over hyped.
*edit* sorry, the galaxy s video recording destroys the X10.
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Yes, my mistake - you claimed they were basically equal which is still extremely questionable.
I'm not a Samsung person, I think TouchWiz is a horrific, iPhone-y, designed for and by 5-year-olds joke of a UI. And I think the Galaxy S is a cheap plastic PoS handset.
But it blows the X10 out the water every single day of the week - better screen, better CPU, more RAM, much more internal memory, better stills and video camera in my experience, better software support/upgrades (which is saying something given how poor Samsung are at that).
The Galaxy S2 is simply the best handset in the world right now, not only on paper but every review/hands-on with it says the same thing.
It's not just the dual-core CPU, though as time goes on that will definitely be a huge advantage over the likes of the Arc; double the RAM, a better screen (ok, a little less clear-cut than the difference between the Galaxy S and the X10 but it probably still edges it based on little things like viewing angles), significantly more internal memory, larger battery, better video camera - it's even thinner than the Arc!
So no, it's not just because it's a dual-core CPU (though that alone would be reason enough to choose it if the two were the same price - if you think it's not a huge advantage, you're short-sighted or lying to yourself), there's a litany of other advantages.
I'm not saying the Arc is a bad phone, it has genuinely wowed me and I really didn't expect it to but there's no point kidding ourselves that it's living on borrowed time before it's left behind.

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So no, it's not just because it's a dual-core CPU (though that alone would be reason enough to choose it if the two were the same price - if you think it's not a huge advantage, you're short-sighted or lying to yourself), there's a litany of other advantages.
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Well, it's an advantage, but I'm a bit conservative when it comes to say huge advantage. Benchmark is great; But, it's an intensive number-crunching process most of the time. IMO, that deviates what I (and probably most of the users) use my smartphone for. I don't use my smartphones to calculate Pi, audio/video editing, etc.
I think dual-core will be shafted by quad-core even before the mass-adoption of the technology by the app developers.
I'm more excited on when GPU acceleration gonna be implemented in our homescreen.

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I'm more excited on when GPU acceleration gonna be implemented in our homescreen.
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That's the one good thing Samsung have done with TouchWiz (apparently).

Hi
I shall make an amendment to the agreement with my mobile op. and I am wondering whether SE Xperia Arc is a good choice. I have always use Nokia phones and I thought to buy Nokia N8, but I when I saw Arc I've changed my mind. Arc design and mutlimedia possibilities are great, but when I read about battery draining, lags, vid/audio sync problems I am not happy about it.
I am wondering if SE will fix this problem soon? Are these problems only software or maybe it is hardware failure? Do you think it will be repaired soon? When the next software update is expected?
Please help me to make a good choice.
Thanks a lot

hi.. battery drain is seemingly caused by a couple of software issues.. camera and google maps.. both of which should be fixed/ fixable.
lags - not seen many/any reports of lag.
video/audio sync - short term fix is either to use fwvga or try switching image stabilisation off. long term SE should be fixing that.
next update from SE expected in the next couple of months..
Sent from The Arc!

Thanks
I have only a liitle knowledge of Andoid system so tell me If I root my phone is it possible to remove google maps and camera soft? Will it help? Or maybe this is possible without rooting the phone?

Next SE phone or ???

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REALLY blurry photos unfortunately
It has "cyber-shot" on the front (where Xperia is for our X10). This would be great for those of us that are looking for a great shooter on Android phones. I think part of the whole cyber shot branding is that it would use Carl Zeiss lenses (oh, K790, for 3.2 megapixels you took great shots).
From what else I could see, it seems that it retains the newer SE 3 button layout with the back button on the left side and menu button on the right. Instead of 3 horizontal chrome buttons, it appears to circular buttons with chrome edges that run to the edges of the phone.
I might take the images to photoshop later in order to more accurately 'guesstimate' the screen size, but offhand it looks like it uses the 4.2" screen from the Arc (just by looking at the overall dimensions of the phone and estimating the bezel)

As for what sensor it might use...
Maybe it will use the 16 mp sensor of what's found in the Arc? (IMX081PQ, Exmor-R, 16 mp 0.31" area) (The Sony Ericsson Cyber-shot S006 uses this sensor). So I take back the Carl Zeiss comment earlier since the S006 is branded as a cyber-shot phone and doesn't use any higher quality lenses. But I think it's a strong probability that we'll see an Android SE with 16 mp.

hmm...interesting.

bro its fake!those are just concepts sony would never bring us those features!
thx for the share

I'm done with sonyericsson phones until I see evidence that they're not still just out to screw their customers for every cent they can and not follow up with good support.
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thats a new sonyericsson phone from cybershot series.....
finally a stop to xperia.....

I think that´s not real. I think that sony can´t use the name of cyber shot to a phone. Maybe I trusted this if the name was near the camera

molinillo212 said:
I think that´s not real. I think that sony can´t use the name of cyber shot to a phone. Maybe I trusted this if the name was near the camera
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SE already use Cybershot on one of the older model few years back... why cant they do it now?

seems like camera featured phone. Hope it comes with ice-cream sandwich.

Xperia ARC or SGS II

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Xperia ARC or SGS II
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did you read the op??
Anyway there would be no comparion between those two. It's like comparing a ferrari to a ford tempo.....
The sgs2 beats the arc in every way possible

fiscidtox said:
did you read the op??
Anyway there would be no comparion between those two. It's like comparing a ferrari to a ford tempo.....
The sgs2 beats the arc in every way possible
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For me the x10 can be seen as 9/11 "never forget"

I don't like the the stock ROMS on Xperia X10, hence I use only XDA ROMS. I quite like the MIUI roms from TRINRAVER, and for that reason alone I am willing to use a SE phone.
Otherwise, when talking stock ROMS and support, SE.. never again. Probably next would be HTC.

most new android phones now have got better hardware than arc or any other SE new phones
except the design , SE is suprior in this , but that alone wont help
my next buy will HTC , never again SE

I'll wait for the official Gingerbread Update, then i will decide.
The specs of the SGS 2 / LG Optimus Speed are quite good, handling of an iphone 4 really smooth too. There are many good Phones.
@jojo1212: You're right, but too much plastic. Yesterday i held the iphone 4 in my hands, no comparison to the x10, but double the price

Unfortunately, the new Xperia phones just don't have the hardware to compete with the likes of the Galaxy S II, which will be my next phone unless SE releases a powerful Xperia Play 2 this year.

jenesuispasbavard said:
Unfortunately, the new Xperia phones just don't have the hardware to compete with the likes of the Galaxy S II, which will be my next phone unless SE releases a powerful Xperia Play 2 this year.
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The SGS2 is seriously not the ultimate big baddy of all phones.
Tegra2 anyone?

Main thing I will been choosing SE or other is that it is a device that can be bootloader unlocked. simple! remove the stress of always wanting the latest update.

although i have been a SE man my entire life, my next phone is definitely going to me the SGS2, hands down.
Its currently THE BEST android phone money can buy. 1.2GHz Dual Core processor, 1 GB RAM, 16 or 32gb INTERNAL (with external microsd slot, so an additional 32gb can be added). 4.3" Super AMOLED screen, 8mp camera with 1080p video recording, worlds thinnest smartphone, etc etc...
nothing but good reviews all over the net. cant go wrong.
although no other line of phones look as SEXY as the Xperia's (X10 and Arc to be more specific)

i want that phonee!

Am I the only one that thinks the X10 is seriously overlooked, and not a bad phone?

I mean... Given its age, its fairly responsive, the screen is big, albeit not 16m colors, the cam is very good, its been getting great signal for both voice and 3G, the battery life has been decent, and the media server app works flawlessly with my ps3...
I dont get it. Whats to hate? Its the cheapest big screen Android phone out there. Maybe I just like it because its holding me over until next gen hardware, or the next iteration of iPhone.
Discuss.
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I agree, it's a great phone, especially after the 2.3 update. Is it the best? No. But it is very good for its age and it has been aging like a fine wine, just getting better and better.

kantk20111 said:
I agree, it's a great phone, especially after the 2.3 update. Is it the best? No. But it is very good for its age and it has been aging like a fine wine, just getting better and better.
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Haha, that's one way to look at it.
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The 2.3 update was I little flawed until Z brought out all the fixes. Now there is no need for an arc unless you want hdmi. X10i is still great. If mine broke today id buy another 1 since it seems to be the best android you can buy for the money
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Wait til you see the new handsets You might throw your X10 away right away Some nice features incoming...

harlz said:
The 2.3 update was I little flawed until Z brought out all the fixes. Now there is no need for an arc unless you want hdmi. X10i is still great. If mine broke today id buy another 1 since it seems to be the best android you can buy for the money
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The display is not that great.. but the biggest(and one of the few) problems with the X10 is the crappy digitizer that it has.. one of the worst I've used
Other than that its great

pngface said:
The display is not that great.. but the biggest(and one of the few) problems with the X10 is the crappy digitizer that it has.. one of the worst I've used
Other than that its great
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What is so crappy on the digitizer? Works fine here, with fps uncap almost iPhone like finger tracking.

ClubDownforce said:
I mean... Given its age, its fairly responsive, the screen is big, albeit not 16m colors, the cam is very good, its been getting great signal for both voice and 3G, the battery life has been decent, and the media server app works flawlessly with my ps3...
I dont get it. Whats to hate? Its the cheapest big screen Android phone out there. Maybe I just like it because its holding me over until next gen hardware, or the next iteration of iPhone.
Discuss.
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i completly agree man.some people gonna whine anyway.even if you gave them quadcore 5000CPU with aderno290 they are gonna whine like kids

Most consumer electronics have their 'make or break' window of opportunity during their launch period. That's when the marketing groups of the various companies start their advertising push and review units are sent out. If the reviews aren't good, people simply won't care about the product. Then as time goes on, no amount of additional advertising will prevent it from being forgotten about.
The X10 is a decent little smart phone. When it came out, it had some very competitive top-of-the-line features (1GHz Snapdragon CPU, 4" screen, good quality camera hardware, etc.). SE also touted its own UI and its custom applications (Timescape and Mediascape). Unfortunately, it was developed when Android 1.6 was around, and by the time it was released the competition was already moving forward with 2.1. The X10 simply could not compete when its software heart was a generation behind.
So most of the reviews tended to view the X10 as an average or mediocre smart phone. And with that, people didn't care about it.
But for those of us who thought the X10 had potential, I think we've all been rewarded for our faith. It's gone from a sluggish Android 1.6 device to a late but decent 2.1 workhorse and now to a winning 2.3 performer. Sony Ericsson listened to its customer base, and even though there were times it seemed like they would abandon the X10 and simply think of it as a 'learning experience,' they did the right thing and gave it just enough support to allow its former flagship to be sent off on a high note.
I bought my AT&T-branded X10a in the United States a few months after my girlfriend got the Sprint-branded HTC EVO 4G (HTC Supersonic elsewhere in the world). At the time, the EVO 4G got rave reviews and was considered by critics to be one of the very best. My X10 seemed to pale in comparison especially in performance. But with each SE update for the X10, things improved. Now with Android 2.3, the stock generic X10 build actually outperforms the latest stock Sprint-released HTC 2.3 update for the EVO 4G. For example, in Quadrant (if you care about such benchmarks) the X10 now consistently scores around the 1200 mark. Stock EVO 4Gs used to get scores like that when it was launched and when it ran 2.2 Froyo. But lately I've been reading a lot (and even tested my girlfriend's EVO to confirm) that the HTC 2.3 update has caused drops in benchmark performance where scores in the 900 to 1000 range are not uncommon.
The EVO 4G also has a 1GHz CPU, the Andreno 200 GPU, and a 8MP rear camera. I used to be jealous of its performance when I compared it to my X10. But now - with the exception of the EVO's 4G capabilities and front-facing camera - I think the X10 is better. We may not get multi-touch, or 16-million colors, or no FPS cap, but with our stock build, SE has given us useful features such as fully working and non-carrier-locked USB tethering and WiFi hotspot, streamlined custom user interface, and minimal bloatware. The phone may not be perfect, but given what the X10 is SE has, in essence, transformed the phone from an awkward ugly duckling to a capable graceful swan.
I look forward to using my X10 for quite a long time to come.

I must say that i have been really disappointed with my x10 since i bought it 15 months ago... The thing is that the phone has potential but SE fails to incorporate that in the generic rom (specifically fps uncap). Im currently using wolfbreak which makes the phone bearable and even enjoyable. My issue is that you have to "fix" the phone yourself. With the SE generic rom this phone is a piece of junk.
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KeizBaby said:
What is so crappy on the digitizer? Works fine here, with fps uncap almost iPhone like finger tracking.
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Nope.. wrong...
1. It gets confused with finger placement for no reason what so ever.
When moving from a dual to single touch.
2. The dual touch cross axis bug.
Why did the chicken cross the axis? to get to the inverted side.

xdadevelopers1222 said:
Most consumer electronics have their 'make or break' window of opportunity during their launch period. That's when the marketing groups of the various companies start their advertising push and review units are sent out. If the reviews aren't good, people simply won't care about the product. Then as time goes on, no amount of additional advertising will prevent it from being forgotten about.
The X10 is a decent little smart phone. When it came out, it had some very competitive top-of-the-line features (1GHz Snapdragon CPU, 4" screen, good quality camera hardware, etc.). SE also touted its own UI and its custom applications (Timescape and Mediascape). Unfortunately, it was developed when Android 1.6 was around, and by the time it was released the competition was already moving forward with 2.1. The X10 simply could not compete when its software heart was a generation behind.
So most of the reviews tended to view the X10 as an average or mediocre smart phone. And with that, people didn't care about it.
But for those of us who thought the X10 had potential, I think we've all been rewarded for our faith. It's gone from a sluggish Android 1.6 device to a late but decent 2.1 workhorse and now to a winning 2.3 performer. Sony Ericsson listened to its customer base, and even though there were times it seemed like they would abandon the X10 and simply think of it as a 'learning experience,' they did the right thing and gave it just enough support to allow its former flagship to be sent off on a high note.
I bought my AT&T-branded X10a in the United States a few months after my girlfriend got the Sprint-branded HTC EVO 4G (HTC Supersonic elsewhere in the world). At the time, the EVO 4G got rave reviews and was considered by critics to be one of the very best. My X10 seemed to pale in comparison especially in performance. But with each SE update for the X10, things improved. Now with Android 2.3, the stock generic X10 build actually outperforms the latest stock Sprint-released HTC 2.3 update for the EVO 4G. For example, in Quadrant (if you care about such benchmarks) the X10 now consistently scores around the 1200 mark. Stock EVO 4Gs used to get scores like that when it was launched and when it ran 2.2 Froyo. But lately I've been reading a lot (and even tested my girlfriend's EVO to confirm) that the HTC 2.3 update has caused drops in benchmark performance where scores in the 900 to 1000 range are not uncommon.
The EVO 4G also has a 1GHz CPU, the Andreno 200 GPU, and a 8MP rear camera. I used to be jealous of its performance when I compared it to my X10. But now - with the exception of the EVO's 4G capabilities and front-facing camera - I think the X10 is better. We may not get multi-touch, or 16-million colors, or no FPS cap, but with our stock build, SE has given us useful features such as fully working and non-carrier-locked USB tethering and WiFi hotspot, streamlined custom user interface, and minimal bloatware. The phone may not be perfect, but given what the X10 is SE has, in essence, transformed the phone from an awkward ugly duckling to a capable graceful swan.
I look forward to using my X10 for quite a long time to come.
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Exactly i agree. The hardware/software and specially the design can compete most of the other smart phones out there, including stupid iphone4s. So ppl what is there to complain so much. With the GB update and all the tweaks around with custom ROMs its a better device than it was. Its far more better i should say. Lets take the maximum of this little baby b4 we move on to another device. So lets show the x10 some luv shall we

zeus09 said:
Exactly i agree. The hardware/software and specially the design can compete most of the other smart phones out there, including stupid iphone4s. So ppl what is there to complain so much. With the GB update and all the tweaks around with custom ROMs its a better device than it was. Its far more better i should say. Lets take the maximum of this little baby b4 we move on to another device. So lets show the x10 some luv shall we
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My question is why the company that made the device does not do that.

OmegaRED^ said:
Nope.. wrong...
1. It gets confused with finger placement for no reason what so ever.
When moving from a dual to single touch.
2. The dual touch cross axis bug.
Why did the chicken cross the axis? to get to the inverted side.
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Number two also an issue on the Desire!

Yum, even though I'm not using custom ROM but I find this phone is very good. That's all.

OmegaRED^ said:
My question is why the company that made the device does not do that.
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Exactly! The software side of SE is utter junk. Anyone that says anything else has no credibility when it comes to HCI. Myself having this as my major in grad school cry blood when i lay my hands on an x10 with the stock rom. Its actually sad that something being coded in a basement at home (god bless all these talented individuals) can outperform that of a multinational company.
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It's alright..
There are things I like about it, but it has one of the smallest development sections I've seen.
I wish I had a htc hd2 actually, the dev section for that is amazing

kurble said:
Exactly! The software side of SE is utter junk. Anyone that says anything else has no credibility when it comes to HCI. Myself having this as my major in grad school cry blood when i lay my hands on an x10 with the stock rom. Its actually sad that something being coded in a basement at home (god bless all these talented individuals) can outperform that of a multinational company.
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NON of the so called basement roms has the stability of stock rom! I've tried PLENTY of costume builds, z's kernel, and the only 2 things i actually found usefull in the long run was fps uncap and JIT back on 2.1.. Sure many homebews may be snappier but they all suffer from fc's and memory bogging forcing you to reboot your phone every now and then to keep it snappy.. I NEVER had to reboot a stockrom.. I clean the junk out of app-wise and use fps uncap, thats it. And thats what works best.
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scoobysnacks said:
It's alright..
There are things I like about it, but it has one of the smallest development sections I've seen.
I wish I had a htc hd2 actually, the dev section for that is amazing
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That phone seems to be able to handle any OS your throw on it and do it well lol. Its a true super phone lol.
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I really like this phone. Its not the best out there but for price its great. Probably the thing I like most is just how easy the Modding side is compared to Samsung galaxy's or HTC phones. My dad has a dhd and honestly, I prefer the x10. It just feels better to me
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