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[CLOSED/DZ] HTC Desire Z (G2 w/ Sense)

HTC just announced the Desire Z version of their "Vision" handset that is identical to the G2. It runs a newer version of HTC Sense that's got a lot of nice new enhancements. I expect G2 owners will want to port this in a hurry.
Desire Z will be available in October in Europe and Asia only.
Check out this "Fast Boot" --- boots in like 4 seconds::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpWPMens9C8
YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERH9BoU64pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXnCOhvoqgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FAIlKN2u5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiNDsZNRag
Specifications (from here):
800 MHz Qualcomm Scorpion
Qualcomm MSM7230
2x faster than Snapdragon CPU
5x better than Snapdragon GPU
Android 2.2 w/ HTC Sense
3.7 inch display
800 x 480 resolution
SLCD technology
5 megapixel camera
LED flash
720p HD recording
HSPA+ integration
WiFi b/g/n
Size: 4.7 x 2.4 x 0.6 inches
Weight: 6.5 ounces
Battery: 1300 mAh Lion
Talk time: up to 6.5 hours
Standby time: up to 17.5 days
Pop-out QWERTY keyboard
Four rows
Programmable “quick access” keys
4GB of internal memory
Full aluminum body
HTC Fast Boot
Pre-installed 8GB microSD card
GPS with A-GPS
DLNA Streaming and Media Sharing
3.5 mm stereo audio jack
micro-USB (5-pin micro-USB 2.0)
Audio supported formats – Playback: .aac, .amr, .ogg, .m4a, .mid, .mp3, .wav, .wma (Windows Media Audio 9)
Video supported formats – Playback: .3gp, .3g2, .mp4, .wmv (Windows Media Video 9)
Ambient light sensor
Proximity sensor
Digital compass

That fast boot is crazy. I'm loving the phone, definitely fast. However the phone looks VERY thick.

so its called "HTC fast boot". I wonder if that means the G2 won't have it. I'd be a lot more likely to turn my phone off and save battery if I knew I could turn it back on that quick

The Desire Z has 1.5GB of internal memory from what I've read at Engadget, not 4.
Infact, your source also says 1.5GB internal memory.

Where are they getting that the CPU is 2x faster than Snapdragon? For all we know it's the same CPU shrunk to 45nm, so it should be the same speed.

Its possible HTC said that at the event? I'm just speculating.. I would be happy if its 2x faster.. lol.

dualityim said:
Where are they getting that the CPU is 2x faster than Snapdragon? For all we know it's the same CPU shrunk to 45nm, so it should be the same speed.
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a lot of the performance gain is from the Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to the older Adreno 200 GPUs on the Desire, HD2 and Evo. The Desire HD, however, also has the Adreno 205.

Superfrag said:
Its possible HTC said that at the event? I'm just speculating.. I would be happy if its 2x faster.. lol.
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Not really sure if that equates to better performance, but it is more efficient.
If you think about it, past 1st gen snapdragon phones had very poor GPUs which made the CPU look slower. Maybe the upgraded GPU adds speed to an otherwise speedy CPU.

That could be true. Maybe the GPU in earlier Snapdragons was bottlenecking the CPU. Makes sense.. I also think these can be OC'ed more without issues due to the 45nm architecture.

but will the 1300mah battery life survive?

I think it should be better. The shrinkage in die size results in a more efficient CPU, which emits less heat and consumes less power. If it was 1500mAh it would have been super, but I think 1300 mAh will be pretty good.
Maybe, just maybe HTC might release 1500 batteries, which will be sold separately. Or we might have to turn to aftermarket battery makers to satisfy our needs! (obviously not the extended version, same size but higher mAh)

Superfrag said:
That could be true. Maybe the GPU in earlier Snapdragons was bottlenecking the CPU. Makes sense.. I also think these can be OC'ed more without issues due to the 45nm architecture.
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I've heard that the MSM7x30 is actually the new 1Ghz Snapdragon underclocked at 800Mhz. Apparently that info is on the qualcomm website somewhere. If true then hell yeah the CPU can be overclocked, at the expense of battery power though.
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The video on youtube titled "htc desire z - a closer look" is pretty amazing (i can't post links as i'm too new to this site). i'm just wondering how much is sense and how much will be on the g2...

skulk3r said:
a lot of the performance gain is from the Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to the older Adreno 200 GPUs on the Desire, HD2 and Evo. The Desire HD, however, also has the Adreno 205.
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Notice that those specs specifically mention that the CPU is 2x faster and the GPU is 5x faster, so when they say the CPU is 2x faster, they are not talking about the performance boost gained from using the Adreno 205, they are specifically referring to a faster CPU core. That's what I'm wondering about, the GPU is faster for sure, but all evidence points to a CPU that performs the same (or worse, due to the 200MHz slower clock) but shrunk to 45nm for better power efficiency.

You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?

We don't know. AFAIK, the Desire Z doesn't have DLNA, nor does the Desire HD. All we can do is wait for it to be released, or reviews of it to come out.

sheek360 said:
You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?
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Superfrag said:
We don't know. AFAIK, the Desire Z doesn't have DLNA, nor does the Desire HD. All we can do is wait for it to be released, or reviews of it to come out.
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The Desire Z seems to have DLNA, according to HTC. It's around 4 mins into the promo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ

ppl... clock speed is like horsepwoer in a car. its not the only determinant of performance. other stuff matters in a car right? like aerodynamics, weight, transmission etc? same for a chip. engineering matters. 2nd gen snapdragons are 2nd gen for a reason... they're better
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sheek360 said:
You guys think the g2 will get dlna functions?
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Probably not. I don't see t-mobile digging into their pockets for that.

j.books said:
ppl... clock speed is like horsepwoer in a car. its not the only determinant of performance. other stuff matters in a car right? like aerodynamics, weight, transmission etc? same for a chip. engineering matters. 2nd gen snapdragons are 2nd gen for a reason... they're better
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You don't understand, Snapdragon is not a chip, it's a chipset or SoC. The CPU in Snapdragon is called Scorpion, and the G2 supposedly uses the same CPU, except manufactured in a 45nm process rather than a 65nm process. So except for the clock speed, we shouldn't expect any changes in the performance of the CPU.

[Q] Which one is faster ... HTC Desire Z or HTC Desire HD ?

Hi
Can any one tell me which device is faster
HTC Desire Z or HTC Desire HD
and if want one of them which one you will take

an9093 said:
Hi
Can any one tell me which device is faster
HTC Desire Z or HTC Desire HD
and if want one of them which one you will take
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this seems a strange question
Desire Z = 800mhz with 512mb RAM
Desire HD = 1000mhz and 768mb Ram
So the HD is clearly faster.

Writing a Facebook status or anything else is faster on the HD because you don't have to pull out the keyboard
Because of the hardware specs I think the HD has more power and is faster, but we have to wait for the first reviews... ?!

Same CPU and GPU but Desire HD's is clocked higher so that wins that.
Bigger screen = easier menu acses = quicker

MacaronyMax said:
Same CPU and GPU but Desire HD's is clocked higher so that wins that.
Bigger screen = easier menu acses = quicker
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I always thought that if the device has same cpu n gpu the the one with he smaller screen will be faster as same gpu has less real estate to render...

arnozzle said:
I always thought that if the device has same cpu n gpu the the one with he smaller screen will be faster as same gpu has less real estate to render...
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Except in this case these two devices have different CPUs
chief1978 said:
this seems a strange question
Desire Z = 800mhz with 512mb RAM
Desire HD = 1000mhz and 768mb Ram
So the HD is clearly faster.
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arnozzle said:
I always thought that if the device has same cpu n gpu the the one with he smaller screen will be faster as same gpu has less real estate to render...
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Quite apart from the higher clock speed mentioned I'm not sure this is true, it's not like it has to render more pixels, same resolution = same real estate, just blown up a bit. Maybe I'm wrong.

The diference is if the resolution would be smaller... for example.
HTC Wildfire 1 GHz with 240x320 4.3" (i know it has 600MHz, but if we put the sam CPU and the 3.2" size)
HTC Desire HD 1 GHz with 480x800 4.3"
Wildfire would have at least 30% better performance... Its all in pixels not dimension of the LCD

TNStrangelove said:
Quite apart from the higher clock speed mentioned I'm not sure this is true, it's not like it has to render more pixels, same resolution = same real estate, just blown up a bit. Maybe I'm wrong.
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You're correct.

Seriously????
Are you really all answering this not so intelligent question? REALLY???
For the guy, who is asking this:
Use google!!!
Do research!!!
Search the forum!!!
Find CPU model numbers, about nm's and gpu's - START TO LEARN.
This is a WAY to dumb question (pardon me) to be asked in a new thread. If you are asking such questions, I really advice you to NOT get this phone, cuz it's gonna get SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT than you would ever expect, judging from simplicity of your question.
Stop living under a rock.
Sorry for my behavior, it's just that I get a little enraged from time to time. It's just a matter of time, that someone asks something so basic as: Which is brighter - dual LED flash or single LED flash, and which one would you get?

Isn't the Desire Z fitted with a newer CPU than the Desire HD? If so, it could be more powerful even if the clock speed is lower, especially since I just looked up the Desire Z's CPU and it says it's recommended top clock speed is 1GHz - I give it a few weeks after release at the most until the speed's upgraded with a custom kernel.

There are both 2nd generation 45nm processors with the same Adreno 205 GPU...only the Desire HD is clocked more on 1GHz and Z is at 800MHz

MaybachMan said:
Isn't the Desire Z fitted with a newer CPU than the Desire HD? If so, it could be more powerful even if the clock speed is lower, especially since I just looked up the Desire Z's CPU and it says it's recommended top clock speed is 1GHz - I give it a few weeks after release at the most until the speed's upgraded with a custom kernel.
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Well, given both phones are being released at the same time, they both have the same model of CPU. Really man. Why would HTC give the Desire HD a worse processor than the Desire Z...

Smartmob said:
There are both 2nd generation 45nm processors with the same Adreno 205 GPU...only the Desire HD is clocked more on 1GHz and Z is at 800MHz
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Does that mean we can over clock the Z to 1ghz?
What about RAM that would make a difference too.

questions questions...more is better...thats it. Numbers are numbers...
You can probably push him to some limit, but then you can push DHD even more then Z...

MaybachMan said:
Isn't the Desire Z fitted with a newer CPU than the Desire HD? If so, it could be more powerful even if the clock speed is lower, especially since I just looked up the Desire Z's CPU and it says it's recommended top clock speed is 1GHz - I give it a few weeks after release at the most until the speed's upgraded with a custom kernel.
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No, both CPUs are next gen snapdragons. In fact I believe they are the exact same chip model, the desire Z is just under-clocked . It should be very easy to over-clock but that would just make them equal.

Yeah, thought it made more sense to give them the both CPU TBH, I'd just read otherwise on other threads.

Smartmob said:
questions questions...more is better...thats it. Numbers are numbers...
You can probably push him to some limit, but then you can push DHD even more then Z...
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Not necessarily if the Z is using the same CPU under-clocked, then theoretically you should be able to over-clock them to the same amount.

Opel Astra 1.9 CDTI 100KS and Astra 1.9 CDTI 150KS... Are they the same only chiped? No, there are some minor diferences in the engine too...

For those of you that haven't seen yet... someone has overclocked a G2 to 1.4ghz.

Desire HD vs HD7

What are your thoughts on this new htc device and the WP7 OS and how does it compare?
Added poll ^

Well, we don't really know, as either none of us, so very very few, have even tested WP7.

Well the HD7 reportedly has less ram than the DesireHD 512MB over 768MB. And Runs of of the same CPU family that the HD does.
So at this stage the DesireHD looks better than the HD7 spec wise but its early days yet.

not 100% sure about specs but HD7 will be available earlier though its announced 1 month later than DesireHD, that's if DesireHD ever make it out of the warehouse...

It seems that the HD7 has a QSD8250 processor (same as the Desire) with adreno 200 GPU.
PS: Sorry for my bad english

nope its an MSM8250 chipset :-D almost identical to the CPU in the Desire HD
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-hd7-is-a-hd2-lookalike-with-windows-phone-7-and-720p-video/

Apache14 said:
nope its an MSM8250 chipset :-D almost identical to the CPU in the Desire HD
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actually alex is correct, it uses the old snapdragon found on the desire, nexus one, evo etc. It has the old adreno 200 gpu.
So because of that, and 200 MB less ram, the Desire HD still is HTC's best specced phone so far.

i will wait till january february to see if there will be dual core processors if not i will buy some good htc

A full list of the specs of the WP7 phones at the WP event
Notice they say the HTC parts are MSM chips (second gen snapdragons like in DesireHD) and the others LG ect are the old QSD chips (like the N1, Desire , EVO)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/

c4940 said:
i will wait till january february to see if there will be dual core processors if not i will buy some good htc
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Motorola will out their Tegra 2 in Q1 2011, while LG MIGHT roll out by the end of this year.

Im gunna wait untill i se how multi core mobile CPU's preform (battery usage / speed improvement). As i suspect we will have to wait untill the apps and OS are properly optimised for two cores.

Apache14 said:
Im gunna wait untill i se how multi core mobile CPU's preform (battery usage / speed improvement). As i suspect we will have to wait untill the apps and OS are properly optimised for two cores.
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Dalvik and most native apps are multi-threaded by design.

True .... so we should see huge improvements :-D but the Desire HD will do me for 12 monthes :-D

Apache14 said:
A full list of the specs of the WP7 phones at the WP event
Notice they say the HTC parts are MSM chips (second gen snapdragons like in DesireHD) and the others LG ect are the old QSD chips (like the N1, Desire , EVO)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
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If Engadget is right on this, then Apache is right too.
The QSD8250 is the first gen chip used in the Nexus One, Desire etc.
The MSM8250 is the 2nd gen chip and has Adreno 205.
The difference between the MSM8250 (HD7 etc) and the MSM8255 (DHD) is that the MSM8250 is a "world phone" chipset whereas the 8255 is solely for GSM use.
It's very confusing - but assuming that Engadget is right, that means that the WP7 phones are as fast as the DHD (though not as much RAM) but are available to use all over the world.

Yes, MSM8250 is GSM/CDMA capable, whereas MSM8255 is GSM only.

No such difference between the two devices. The same 4.3 inch screen (almostly confirmed tft) But DHD is better than hd7 on cpu and gpu.DHD with 8255 cpu and hd7 with 8250cpu (which same as hd2) 756ram>512RAM So i prefer desire hd with android os

freelo123 said:
No such difference between the two devices. The same 4.3 inch screen (almostly confirmed tft) But DHD is better than hd7 on cpu and gpu.DHD with 8255 cpu and hd7 with 8250cpu (which same as hd2) 756ram>512RAM So i prefer desire hd with android os
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Did you even read my post? They are the same chips, just the HD7 chip has CDMA capability as well as GSM. Same CPU core, same GPU core. Same speed, same die size.
The only difference between the DHD and the HD7 are the extra 256MB of RAM! (and the OS and case etc.. and camera! (thanks wu5262!))

DHD seems to have more metal parts in its casing.
Either way I guess we'll be seeing a lot of ports between these devices

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Did you even read my post? They are the same chips, just the HD7 chip has CDMA capability as well as GSM. Same CPU core, same GPU core. Same speed, same die size.
The only difference between the DHD and the HD7 are the extra 256MB of RAM! (and the OS and case etc)
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The DHD has better camera too
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wywywywy said:
DHD seems to have more metal parts in its casing.
Either way I guess we'll be seeing a lot of ports between these devices
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Why on earth would you want to put WP7 on an Android device.
However, I hope someone here can bring WP7 to the HD2. Now that WOULD be amazing!

GPU POWER of Desire HD?

Guys im just wondering if anyone tried need for speed on the desire HD? Any hiccups with the GPU?
Ive read that the gpu is the most powerfull right now over the galaxy s?

It's my understanding that the Desire Z / G2 got the more powerful GPU in the deal along with the keyboard, the Desire HD got higher factory clocked CPU, more RAM and a powerful GPU too but not as powerful. That's just how I saw it when reading through specs and reviews.

Dyonas said:
It's my understanding that the Desire Z / G2 got the more powerful GPU in the deal along with the keyboard, the Desire HD got higher factory clocked CPU, more RAM and a powerful GPU too but not as powerful. That's just how I saw it when reading through specs and reviews.
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That is wrong bro. Both the DZ/G2 and the DHD have the same GPU, which is the Adreno 205.

I've been reading about a lot, and I think the future has to show what GPU is better.
Why? It's also very software depending.
I think when only looking to the GPU, the samsung en de desire Z are at the same level.
But when looking at the overal performance and hardware, the desire HD will outperform the others. The benchmarks show.
I know the galaxy has improved a lot with custom ROM's, but the desire hd will too (maybe not as much).
And I do think the gaming experience on mobile phones isn't just about the GPU. At least not as much as on the desktop computers these days.
The current Desire uses a gen1 1ghz snapdragon QSD8250 with the adreno 200 GPU
The Desire Z will use the gen2 800mhz snapdragon MSM7230 with the adreno 205 GPU
The Desire HD will use the gen 2 1ghz snapdragon MSM8255 with the adreno 205 GPU.
I don't think it should not matter much in your choice of phone.

Sherwood1 said:
Guys im just wondering if anyone tried need for speed on the desire HD? Any hiccups with the GPU?
Ive read that the gpu is the most powerfull right now over the galaxy s?
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Ello m8, i've got asphalt 5 hd, nova, need for speed, lets play golf, all of the top end games basically and i can tell you now that the desire hd has no problems playing any of them, saying that i just overclocked my desire hd's cpu to 1420 and got a quadrant score of 2495 so i'm probably overkilling a little bit here.
The difference between the DHD, SGSs gpus are quite slight if any. I'm happy with my oc'd DHD tho.

Yeah the GPU is plenty powerful. I don't think there is any game for Android right now that fully utilizes all the Adreno 205's power. Im really happy with it because i plan on doing plenty of gaming on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzgNJi3lbww
a nice video of gaming on DHD.

Possible GPU Improvements?

Hi every1.
Was just reading this article :
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=257
It is QUITE interesting to see that the Flyer scores so much higher in GPU compared to the Desire HD...
Could it be there are improved GPU drivers? Could this be the reason HTC Sense 3.0 is coming to the Flyer but NOT the Desire HD?
If this is the case, maybe some developers could get something valuable out of a possible Rom dump?
Any Ideas?

It might not be using the same GPU, that's just speculation according to that site
Due to the much higher res, it would also need a much better GPU to get higher scores, I doubt it's using the 205 looking at those results and that res

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It might not be using the same GPU, that's just speculation according to that site
Due to the much higher res, it would also need a much better GPU to get higher scores, I doubt it's using the 205 looking at those results and that res
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Yes but Qualcomm (as far as we know) doesn't have any single cores with the 220.
Which is why I assume it has to be the 205. Or else Qualcomm made an exclusive for HTC?
In that case maybe HTC does have a point saying that parts of Sense 3.0 wont make it onto the Desire HD line because of hardware limitations...
Hm...

From what I've read over the net, the Flyer is running a dual-core clocked at 1.5Ghz? Which leads me to believe it'll be an Adreno 220.
I would be very disappointed the Flyer won't ship with a dual core chip given the competition. At minimum I'd expect the same specs as the recently announced HTC Sensation.

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From what I've read over the net, the Flyer is running a dual-core clocked at 1.5Ghz? Which leads me to believe it'll be an Adreno 220.
I would be very disappointed the Flyer won't ship with a dual core chip given the competition. At minimum I'd expect the same specs as the recently announced HTC Sensation.
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It's single core http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/htc-launches-into-tablet-wars-with-1-5ghz-7-inch-flyer/

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It's single core http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/htc-launches-into-tablet-wars-with-1-5ghz-7-inch-flyer/
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But it could be dual-core with locked secound core... And Ardeno 220. I don't belive they have just build bigger desire HD, OC'ed CPU and thats it.

krogoth said:
But it could be dual-core with locked secound core... And Ardeno 220. I don't belive they have just build bigger desire HD, OC'ed CPU and thats it.
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It could also be quad-core with three cores locked, but I doubt it I think they would have advertised it as dual-core if it really was that.

Like someone else mentioned, the Flyer is using a single core for sure and most likely the same GPU as the Desire HD.
I would speculate that the score is so much higher because the Flyer is running Gingerbread. Gingerbread was said to improve graphics performance with better driver support, and maybe HTC decided to optimize their Adreno drivers too which probably explains the jump in performance.
To be honest this actually makes me a little more excited for the Gingerbread update coming anytime now because we'll probably get the same improvements

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Like someone else mentioned, the Flyer is using a single core for sure and most likely the same GPU as the Desire HD.
I would speculate that the score is so much higher because the Flyer is running Gingerbread. Gingerbread was said to improve graphics performance with better driver support, and maybe HTC decided to optimize their Adreno drivers too which probably explains the jump in performance.
To be honest this actually makes me a little more excited for the Gingerbread update coming anytime now because we'll probably get the same improvements
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Hmm... knowing HTC, they probably wont bring any graphical improvements. We will probably have to get some dev to get what ever HTC did to improve the drivers.

Hawks556 said:
It's single core http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/htc-launches-into-tablet-wars-with-1-5ghz-7-inch-flyer/
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I stand corrected! I just had a peep on pdadb.net and it's reporting a single core 1.5Ghz chip with Adreno 205 GPU in it. Obviously take that with a pinch of salt, anything can happen from now till release day.
If it is running an Adreno 205, then lets hope they have developed an optimized driver that can be ported.

Has anyone (I say anyone, I mean devs) had a look at the Xperia Play GPU drivers yet? Same chipset, but apparently heavily optimised drivers. I think LeeDrOiD was going to look into it but I'm not sure if he got round to it.

+1
Even an employee in Qualcomm said that the graphic driver in desire hd is somewhat "immature"
But there's another possibility, the flyer may use dual channel ddrs which makes its memory bandwidth doubles the dhd, and we don't have dedicated vram, so.......?
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Attention, smartbench is always leaning towards Samsung.
Sensation in smartbench is even weaker then i9000 in gaming. But GLbenchmark tells differently, it shows 3rd gen snapdragon is faster than tegra2 in graphics(optimus 2x)
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I for one don't trust any(and I mean ANY) synthetic benchmarks.The only benchmarks I trust are the ones dedicated to a certain aspect of the device,e.g Linpack for CPU,Nenamark/GLBenchmark etc for CPU and so on.Synthetic benchmarks can be quite unreliable.

tolis626 said:
I for one don't trust any(and I mean ANY) synthetic benchmarks.The only benchmarks I trust are the ones dedicated to a certain aspect of the device,e.g Linpack for CPU,Nenamark/GLBenchmark etc for CPU and so on.Synthetic benchmarks can be quite unreliable.
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True.
Because those dedicated benchmarks are much more professional.
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