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What's the Difference Between Opera Mini and Mobile?

I see that Mini is free and Mobile isn't...and Mini seems to have iPhone browser-type capabilities (well, at least the new beta)...
So why shouldn't I just get Mini? Am I missing something? Please help, anyone.
Thanks.
And if you have a link to the .cab files, please post 'em.

Opera mini is light version
Con:
Can't download files
Pro:
Fast browsing.Ie all files are processed at server and transferferd mobile version page(light weight) to mobile.
Opera mobile.
Opposite to above.
PS:I have listed major diffrence.there are more differences than listed above. I don't want want make porffesional documnet on this

You shouldn't forget:
Opera Mini is a JAVA application, while Opera Mobile is not.
I used Opera Mini first, and it just looked terrible on my HTC S620, so I switched to Opera Mobile, which is much better.
But you can and probably should try both and then decide.

an java apps are generaly slower then real wm apps
non of them support skinning though which is a shame
because i dont care much for the opera icons

xv6800 Compatible with Opera Mini.

I would like to know if opera mini is compatible with my verizon xv6800. According to the opera mini web site it is not. If it is compatible, do I need to install something else for it to work?

Yes, its compatable. Download the high memory version of Opera Mini 4 and you should be good to go. Good luck.

Verizon doesn't ship Java with the XV6800, so Opera Mini won't run natively. You have to either install a Java client (search the links here for a recommendation) or install a new ROM that includes a Java client (the DCD kitchen includes Java as an option). Once you install Java and Opera Mini, you'll actually run Opera Mini from within Java. Opera won't appear in your programs list.

spectraphysics said:
Verizon doesn't ship Java with the XV6800, so Opera Mini won't run natively. You have to either install a Java client (search the links here for a recommendation) or install a new ROM that includes a Java client (the DCD kitchen includes Java as an option). Once you install Java and Opera Mini, you'll actually run Opera Mini from within Java. Opera won't appear in your programs list.
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Or you could always switch to Sprint. And get free mobile Broadband on your laptop.

Corrykid said:
Or you could always switch to Sprint. And get free mobile Broadband on your laptop.
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Quit posting this crap or get banned.
To answer the question, yes opera mini is compatible after installing a java manager. I use mini 4 and 4.1 on my 6800. Works 1000 times better than the pocket ie for 99% of browsing.

I can confirm as well. I used emerstec jbed and opera mini 4.1 beta and I love it. Pages load in a few seconds, even ones with a lot of graphics (xda-forums main page with all the phone pics). I also have opera 9 mobile beta and rarely use it anymore since opera mini is several times faster at loading pages. I haven't had many rendering issues when loading pages either. There is a good thread in the development and hacking sub forum with all the files you need.

Anyone figured out how to load the new Opera Mini 4.1 with the touch of the IE button? Or how to get it to work as the default browser?

opera mini: question

I would to try opera mini, but on the official site I can't understand wich version is the best for the HD:
http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/htc/

Dude the HD comes with Opera installed? I believe you can upgrade the version 2682 that comes installed to version 2745. check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442252
Is Opera mini somehow better or different to Opera Mobile???

Just installed opera mini on my blackstone.
and it works like a dream.
its runs so much faster than the full version its almost unbelievable! the text might be a bit on the small side, but the pointer comes in handy for all that.
just doing some tests on the the independant website. downloaded, rendered and displayed in about 7 seconds. compare that against the full opera where your looking at about 20 seconds for the whole front page to display.
the mini version also offers proper double clicks for links and none of this zooming in and out by accident malarky.
get onto it. you won't regret it.
for the record installed the PPC600 Mogul version and everything looks great.

IIRC opera mini pre renders everything through their servers?

matthoy said:
Just installed opera mini on my blackstone.
and it works like a dream.
its runs so much faster than the full version its almost unbelievable! the text might be a bit on the small side, but the pointer comes in handy for all that.
just doing some tests on the the independant website. downloaded, rendered and displayed in about 7 seconds. compare that against the full opera where your looking at about 20 seconds for the whole front page to display.
the mini version also offers proper double clicks for links and none of this zooming in and out by accident malarky.
get onto it. you won't regret it.
for the record installed the PPC600 Mogul version and everything looks great.
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which versione doo you use? could you link me pls?
I think that is faster that normal opera and more suitable for gprs and 3g navigation than normal opera, isn't it?

in blackstone should be preinstalled opera not opera mini
yes, I'm sure. for me the mini version is far superior than it's big brother (Full RRS support for starters - yes i know the blackstone has the RSS hub, but this isn't linked to full opera browser - so not much use really).
there will be some sites that work better on the full version, but as far as my testing today has gone, all of the sites i used look and perform better in the mini version.

matthoy said:
yep.
and it looks great on the touch;s big screen.
i used it a lot on my e650 (suffered from a lot of image duplication when wrapping the page to the screen) but not on the touch, it's great!
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could you link the version of operamini you use on blackstone pls?

http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/htc/htc_ppc6800_mogul/
just download to the two file from there.
opera-mini-advanced.jad
opera-mini-advanced.jar
stick them in a temp folder.
then run the java app. install --> local files.
jobsagoodun'

Opera mini is great if you have slow connection(GPRS only), it is very fast, much faster browser than opera mobile. BTW original opera mobile freezes very often on my HD.

matthoy said:
http://www.operamini.com/download/pc/htc/htc_ppc6800_mogul/
just download to the two file from there.
opera-mini-advanced.jad
opera-mini-advanced.jar
stick them in a temp folder.
then run the java app. install --> local files.
jobsagoodun'
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thx
I woult to know one thing:
why this versione htc_ppc6800_mogul is the best for blackstone?
do you think will be released a dedicated version of opera mini for blasktone?

Mini Is Mini!!
to me..mini isnt worth it. TOO SMALL, not that much faster either. I cant find a zoom either.
After regular Opera, need jewelers loupes to read it.
Have to use stylus....blah blah...no way

Hell
I like the MINI - very fast
BUT
Does anybody know a trick to make the Font bigger ?
The menu is so small - even with the settings set to biggest Font
Thank you for help

Now why doesn't Opera Mobile have a function to zoom out to a total overview like mini does. I'm sick of spending 5 minutes scrolling down a long page with all the annoying f***** lockups!!

jackthekayman said:
thx
I woult to know one thing:
why this versione htc_ppc6800_mogul is the best for blackstone?
do you think will be released a dedicated version of opera mini for blasktone?
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There is one version of opera mini only. The only small differnce on some versions is that some versions are signed for differend java runtimes. That means you dont have to grant internet and storage access all the time. but the browser itself is allways the same - i even use i on a very low end mobile motorola L6...
There wont be dedicated blackstone version, but maybe they will increase the fontsize with comin up more and more VGA and WVGA devices

PJD-de said:
There is one version of opera mini only. The only small differnce on some versions is that some versions are signed for differend java runtimes. That means you dont have to grant internet and storage access all the time. but the browser itself is allways the same - i even use i on a very low end mobile motorola L6...
There wont be dedicated blackstone version, but maybe they will increase the fontsize with comin up more and more VGA and WVGA devices
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ok thx very much

another thread
have you checked out ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407656

cheaper
From what I know, the opera mini goes through operas server which compresses the web sites and reduces the gprs cost very much compared to the full opera!

I can't find in opera mini how to enable the zoom button...is it there?

Opera mini - full screen?
Hi!
One question concerning opera mini - does it run in full screen on the touch hd?
On my htc X7500 there are the operating system bars above and under the java runtime so opera mini cannnot use all the display and run in full screen mode
Could someone please post a photo of the HD running opera mini with a web site like cnn.com loaded?
thanks!

ubik said:
Hi!
One question concerning opera mini - does it run in full screen on the touch hd?
On my htc X7500 there are the operating system bars above and under the java runtime so opera mini cannnot use all the display and run in full screen mode
Could someone please post a photo of the HD running opera mini with a web site like cnn.com loaded?
thanks!
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yes it's full screen.
By the way, I have problems with entering address, because no keyboard is available. How do you do it guys?

Anyone using Opera Mini ?

I've just installed Opera Mini on my Jade and I have to say, it's pretty nice.
Unlike Opera Mobile it is very fast and the zooming and display is better for a small screen like the 320x240 Jade screen.
Since the websites and images will be compressed by the Opera servers, the traffic is lower and the speed higher. Of course, I won't use the browser for sensible data, because the data runs through Opera proxies. But for normal browsing it's great.
The only problem: I can't switch to fullscreen, because the fullscreen can only be enabled by a key combination which I don't have on my Jade. Maybe someone knows how to fix this.
But it's still a nice browser.

Yes agree, I must say the speed is pretty impressive compared with the Op Mob even by setting graphics to high. btw is is there any method to launch it direct without launching jBlend first ? Am I missing something ? Cheers.

Here is a very useful overview of the features the most popular JVMs have.
As for the direct shortcut, my jade came with esmertec jbed, here is a description how to invoke opera mini (or any other midlet) directly from windows.
The problem is there's no description how to do that with jblend (why don't you use the preinstalled jbed, anyway?)

Mine is pre installed with JBlend. I've found the direct shortcut command i.e. \Windows\JBlend_AMS.exe -R 0.jar (0 is where your Opera Mini is in \windows\java, depending on your other installations.)
Thanks.

azahidi, would you highly recommend using opera mini or the stock opera browser?

Hi !
Yes Opera Mini is Very Fast ! That Good but i have the solution for your problem !
When you are on Opera Mini go to :
Setting => Full screen
that very simple but i don't know if you want that or an other "full screen"
Bye
DarKSniper

xtremez said:
azahidi, would you highly recommend using opera mini or the stock opera browser?
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well, for me I prefer the stock opera mobile. still sticking to it. it depends on how comfortable you are with the functionalities

azahidi said:
well, for me I prefer the stock opera mobile. still sticking to it. it depends on how comfortable you are with the functionalities
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For me the same: I find it important that the browser is fully integrated in the operating system (Windows mobile). Opera mini as a java-applet only has limited connections to the other functions of the phone (example: direct dial of telephone-numbers listed on web pages).

MvBoe said:
For me the same: I find it important that the browser is fully integrated in the operating system (Windows mobile). Opera mini as a java-applet only has limited connections to the other functions of the phone (example: direct dial of telephone-numbers listed on web pages).
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Talking about java-applet. How many of you are using Jblend? I tried today installing those 3D games that supposedly work with Jblend..but failed miserably in doing so...need help!

There is only a java version now, no PPC version. I don't like java programs.

Opera Mini 5.1 Released! (no longer 5 beta)

Haven't seen this posted yet, so here you go.
Opera blog post:
http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2010/09/09/opera-mini-5-1-for-windows-mobile
Opera Mini 5.1 for Windows Mobile is here!
The long-awaited Opera Mini 5.1 for Windows Phone 6.5, Windows Mobile 6, Windows Mobile 5, and Windows Mobile 2003 based handsets has finally arrived. We have worked days and nights to improve on every aspect of the browser and make it integrate even better with the Windows Mobile platform. Some highlights include default browser functionality and a completely rewritten IME solution that taps directly into the device's own input method. A big thanks to all our users on Windows Mobile who have waited so patiently for this release.
NEW FEATURES
- Ability to set Opera Mini as default browser on the device.
- Support for g-sensor screen rotation on HTC and Samsung devices.
- Support for predictive input if the device supports it natively.
- Improved page layout on high-resolution screens.
- Improved kinetic scrolling.
- Use HQVGA skin for devices with less than QVGA resolution.
- Installer is now signed with VeriSign so Opera Mini will be a trusted application on your handset.
- Alternative installer that works on Windows Mobile 2003 Pocket PC devices.
- Advanced configuration in registry for power-users (see here for more information).
BUG FIXES
- Multitap input is working on 'classic' keypad devices.
- Input is working on qwerty keypad devices by Samsung and Amoi.
- Keypad shortcuts working on more devices.
- Ability to download files to memory card.
- Clock in Opera Mini is correct in all time zones now.
- Spanish locale is correctly detected.
- URLs and downloaded files can be passed to other applications as a platform request.
- Many bug fixes in Opera Mini browser core for stability and rendering accuracy.
NOTES
- Opera Mini 5.1 will be installed in parallel with Opera Mini 5.0 beta if the latter is already installed on your device.
- Opera Mini 5.1 will not import existing user data from Opera Mini 5.0 beta. Please consider using Opera Link to bring over bookmarks and speed dials to the new version.
- When set as default browser, Opera Mini 5.1 will not be the default viewer application for html files or other web page related files that may exist locally on your device.
To download Opera Mini 5.1 for Windows Mobile handsets visit http://m.opera.com/ on your phone or http://www.opera.com/mobile/download/pc/ on your PC.
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Opera Mini = Amazing
It is much faster and more fluid scrolling than either Skyfire or Opera mobile.
Coming from Android (and iPhone before that) the Hd2 was lacking a great web browsing experience but No More!

OMini 5 beta was nice, but I love the better scrolling in 5.1! I've been using OMini as my browser since my Wizard.

Does 5.1 support pinch-to-zoom?

Jimmmycrackcorn said:
Does 5.1 support pinch-to-zoom?
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I responded in the TmoUS HD2 thread but here you go:
i have always used mini in mobile view but iirc when a page is zoomed out it'll auto zoom to wherever you tap on the page. i don't think there is pinch to zoom.
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One wierd thing for me is if I press the home button while in landscape then Opera Mini sticks on the screen and doesnt go away unless I power off the phone. If I press the home button while in portrait its fine and goes away.
Anyone else having this problem?
Jimmmycrackcorn said:
Does 5.1 support pinch-to-zoom?
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No pinch to zoom but all you do is tap on the screen once and it zooms in perfectly.

ap3604 said:
One wierd thing for me is if I press the home button while in landscape then Opera Mini sticks on the screen and doesnt go away unless I power off the phone. If I press the home button while in portrait its fine and goes away.
Anyone else having this problem?
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It's because the HD2 doesn't do landscape for the home tab. Next time you do that, just hit the start menu button & bring back OMini or any other app that does do landscape (sms, albums, file explorer) & then go back to portrait & then hit home. I ran in to this when using Comic Reader Mobi

Does anyone know how clearing the cache memory works on Opera Mini?
On the Opera Mobile browser it would have an option in the security settings to clear cache so the browser wouldnt slow down but I dont see that option on Opera Mini.
Ive done google searches for "opera mini clear cache" but didnt find anything conclusive. Mostly was blackberry users assuming that the clear history option in settings also clears the cache. One person also said the cache gets cleared when you exit the browser?
Does anyone with alot of Opera experience know how clearing the cache works on Opera Mini?
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It's because the HD2 doesn't do landscape for the home tab. Next time you do that, just hit the start menu button & bring back OMini or any other app that does do landscape (sms, albums, file explorer) & then go back to portrait & then hit home. I ran in to this when using Comic Reader Mobi
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Your a wise man thank you for letting me know =)

So there is no pinch to zoom? can someone confirm that?
If there is no pinch to zoom, i'm not gonna use it, because I really want to keep using pinch to zoom!

joshoon said:
So there is no pinch to zoom? can someone confirm that?
If there is no pinch to zoom, i'm not gonna use it, because I really want to keep using pinch to zoom!
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Read 3 posts above yours at #6...

Do you like the 5 mini, and why?
I've set it as default for it a week. Yes it loads faster, and the 9-grid home screen thumbnails looks better than the HD2 2-column thumbnails. I'm however switching back to the stock Opera 9.7 now. Things I don't like about Opera Mini 5:
Full screen or not, it hides my top bar, and together with it my battery indicator, clock, close button. I can't easily launch anything else or switch to another running program.
no way to minimize browser to go back to where I was
Really hates the complicated seqeunce to close the browser with the mandatory yes/no.
I can't find a way to add search providers to the search box. Well I can't modify the Opera google search either, but Opera Mini has an interface to look as if it can be configured (at least I can delete entries other than google) while not allowing me to add new entries.
force chinese language upon me. I have no idea why but all my settings are in chinese and I cannot find a way to get back to english.
Are there ways to circumvent this list of annoyances?
Does anybody know where I can find documentation on Opera Mini? I've found documentation on Opera, but they do not seem applicable to Opera Mini.

alex fung said:
Do you like the 5 mini, and why?
Full screen or not, it hides my top bar, and together with it my battery indicator, clock, close button. I can't easily launch anything else or switch to another running program.
hit the back button & then your back at HTC Sense
no way to minimize browser to go back to where I was
that's what the back button is for. this doesn't do like OMobile where the back button actually goes back a page
I can't find a way to add search providers to the search box. Well I can't modify the Opera google search either, but Opera Mini has an interface to look as if it can be configured (at least I can delete entries other than google) while not allowing me to add new entries.
I agree I wish you could edit this, but meh...
force chinese language upon me. I have no idea why but all my settings are in chinese and I cannot find a way to get back to english.
one of the links in my post goes to a post on Opera's site & discusses registry edits. I know there's one to change the language, maybe you need to do that.
Does anybody know where I can find documentation on Opera Mini? I've found documentation on Opera, but they do not seem applicable to Opera Mini. your best bet is their site in the thread that I linked to.
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ap3604 said:
Read 3 posts above yours at #6...
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Thats sad

back button. Thanks I hardly ever use the hardware buttons so I never noticed.
link in your post? Do you mean
http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog...windows-mobile
I can't find any references to registry edits or language changes. Could you be a little more specific? Thanks.

joshoon said:
Thats sad
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As much as I like pinch zoom I must say that I absolutely LOVE the 1 touch super zoom of Opera Mini =)

alex fung said:
back button. Thanks I hardly ever use the hardware buttons so I never noticed.
link in your post? Do you mean
http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog...windows-mobile
I can't find any references to registry edits or language changes. Could you be a little more specific? Thanks.
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I personally put in the edit to stop the auto rotate
ha i use the back button all the time!

Argh
I wanted to love Opera Mini. I love the quick zoom/scroll effects.
BUT after using it for a few days I've found annoyances that keep it from being a better browser than Opera Mobile.
- Certain websites take FOREVER to load (some sites load quicker than Opera Mobile i.e. Google searches, but Xda loads slllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooowwww)
- Certain websites dont work correctly and doesn't go to the next page when I click the link
- Can't log into certain websites like I can with Opera Mobile
- When I try to reply to XDA threads it reloads the entire page after I type something in the reply box.
- Cant clear cache memory like I can with Opera Mobile
- Cant exit Opera Mini in landscape by pressing home button since it locks up the phone
- Cant use physical back button to go back a page like you can with Opera Mobile
Oh well...

I like Opera mini too as it is a lot smoother than opera mobile. I do have one issue though:
When you enter a url, it will automatically load the mobile version if available. Not all the mobile site have a link back to their full web site so it is impossible to go to a normal page for some sites.

ap3604 said:
Argh
I wanted to love Opera Mini. I love the quick zoom/scroll effects.
BUT after using it for a few days I've found annoyances that keep it from being a better browser than Opera Mobile.
- Certain websites take FOREVER to load (some sites load quicker than Opera Mobile i.e. Google searches, but Xda loads slllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooowwww)
- Certain websites dont work correctly and doesn't go to the next page when I click the link
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forumx said:
I like Opera mini too as it is a lot smoother than opera mobile. I do have one issue though:
When you enter a url, it will automatically load the mobile version if available. Not all the mobile site have a link back to their full web site so it is impossible to go to a normal page for some sites.
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you know what, this happens to me with opera mobile too..

dan138zig said:
you know what, this happens to me with opera mobile too..
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The problems I listed with Opera Mini are ones that I don't have with Opera Mobile. So for me, it doesn't happen with Opera Mobile...