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Im now torn on whether to keep it or send it back. I got a brown sim free one delivered on friday morning after.much delibration and hesitation.
The hardware is very nice and solidly built...at least mine was. No gaps or anything of the sort.
Android and sense are both great...love them and I love the market place, which in my opinion is superior to the app store since.most apps are free and policy is less...draconian
I want to keep the device I really do.but its just not polished.enough and i know once the novelty wears off and reality sets in i'll most likely be frustrated when using it daily
I've noticed several issues:
-The keyboard works well for the most part with little lag but the spacebar sensitivity/responsiveness could be better. I still make more errors than I do on my iPhone as it loves giving me a period instead of a space
-During calls there's this annoying hiss that gives me a headache.
-Also during calls, sound gets distorted.if you raise the.volume beyond a.certain point and it makesit impossible to hear the other party properly
-Lags/stutters although mine doesn't seem as bad as others have pointed out. Just 1-2sec lags/jerkiness. However it becomes slightly more apparent when browsing the web and viewing photo albums.
-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
Anyway like I said I really wantto.keepthe phone but I wantedto know how HTC handles their updates. Apple is very.much on the ball when it.comes to updates in my experience,they optimize, fix bugs and.add.features so you know you're well covered. Does HTC do.the.same.or doyou have to.suck it up and.live with what is shipped to you
If HTC do it like Apple then i'll keep the phone. Otherwise, it means my switch to Android will haveto wait a while yet
Ps the reason my post reads.funny is because.I'm.typing this from.the device and.going back to fix every error.is a.PITA
Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.
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Regarding the keyboard, have you tried calibrating it? Press the settings button on the keyboard, -> Text Input -> Calibration tool.
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Yeah i have done the keyboard calibration which is why i'm surprised its still finicky. *Shrug*
-Finally music playback (which is very important to me) kinda sucks. It stutters even when you're not doing anything at all and sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume and no EQ whichis a big setback as mytracks are all EQ encoded> Now i could get revert to an iPod but that defeats the purpose of.an all-in-one smartphone
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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.
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sound quality is inferiorto the iPhone, very 'closed', poor 'dynamics', relatively weak max volume
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Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?
Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.
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That is a breaker for me. The purpose of my looking into android phone is to replace my iphone because I'm sick of the proprietary media expience ala itunes and the ipod player. I want to just plug my phone via usb into a puter (or copy to SDcard) and play the music or radio show directly from some file manager. Android does this well for, at least it did on the g1 I tested with no lag. An all in one device should be that...the iphone is that, if you can stand going thru the hoops to do what should be simple tasks.
The hero seems like a decent machine but there are one of two things (maybe both) that make it seem like an unfinished product: the interface shouldn't be laggy as it is and we shouldn't have to be fussing with standard widgets to get it to function smoothly as it should. I can see tweaking to make it run better than normal, but "normal" being laggy and "smooth" being tweaked isn't a good start. I don't know if this is the hardware limitation or a coding issue. HTC should have either done more testing on the software side or should have including better hardware specs than the magic since the hero is suppose to be an "upgrade" from the magic. I was about to get a hero, but there are too many mixed reviews to make it worth $600. I wanna ditch my iphone 2G for android and still have a 3.5mm jack at the top of the device...is that so hard to accomplish? Guess I'm holding out till later this year to see what else is placed on the table. I almost got a 288 magic but for that money, I might as well save for a better phone that has the 3.5mm jack.
If you are really that annoyed by it now and know yourself well enough to know that you'll be really pissed later after daily use, I would just sell it now on ebay or in the XDA market place while the selling is good. Sure, you could hold out to see what the software update is gonna do...but without more details on that update you're still risking afore mentioned buyers remorse.
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Agreed and yeah...i'm starting to think this might be the way things end up unfortunately
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Fair enough if you don't like the phone, get rid of it but if you want your music louder than Hero gives you you're gonna have to start thinking about a hearing aid in the future! At least based on my Hero, which is loud!
PS, I trust you'll change your user name to El Pod once you've gone back?
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Its not my hearing i've never reached the max volume on my iPods/iPhones but frequently have to do so with the Hero. Maybe its specific to my unit.
robboy said:
Have you tried typing in landscape mode with 2 thumbs I find it really quick. the portrait mode does suck a bit. also remember there are new updates coming.
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I typed my post exclusively in landscape mode. I wouldn't even try portrait...unless for short text messages
I will admit that I'm quite confused regarding the lag issues. It does not seem to effect everyone and the ones it does effect consider a problem that if it were solved, the phone would be a fantastic upgrade from an iphone 3g or 2g. At times I hear it is just the live widgets, other times I hear it is just the software in general during media playback and browsing. I honestly don't know what to think and would love to have a means to test a hero as it is now. I'm not gonna upgrade to a 3gs...I'm still considering the hero but I'm going to wait for the software update and to see how things process for it on xda. I really see the potential in android and that is where I would like to stay if all works out..but I'm not so clear about the hero. Given my options and my needs, the the lag can be address with code optimization, then I think the hero is the best choice for me at this point. we'll see. if you're interested in selling it, let know price via PM. If you're any where near south central PA, perhaps I could give the thing a test run first if you don't mind.
I had the Hero, I could wait to get it. I was like a five year old waiting for santa! Anyway, bit dissapointed in it so reluctantly took it back and bought a PAYG iphone 3GS from O2.
Installed redSnow to jailbreak, then ultrasn0w to unlock and now i'm using it on Vodafone. Thank god for the iphone dev team.
The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
http://justflikwalk.deviantart.com/art/iVillain-Beta-128791945
http://modmyi.com/forums/attachment...1247179088-beta-release-ivillain-img_0053.png
Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
I agree crappy music playback is terrible. speed is OK, quite laggy compared to an iphone 3G but bearable. Apparantly a rom update will arrive soon.
I'm thinking of returning to an iphone as well. No equalizer is like it's 1999.
mwatson said:
Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
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Maybe so but its also piracy
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Maybe so but its also piracy
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....and you have a problem with this?
The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:
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I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
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I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
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you can transfer all sorts of files uising wifi discover. It turns the iphone into a wireless usb stick. If you transfer an mp3 it'll play it on the phone. Thats what i do. There is al alternative to itunes on Cydia. Even if you couldn't do that, the sacrifice is a small price to pay when you concider the iphone 3GS is just so slick.
Why can't other manufactures achieve what Apple has done here? Did they back engineer the iphone from a UFO wreck in Navada? BTW i'm no iphone fanboy. I've had HTC devices from the first orange SPV in 2003 right up to The Hero. There is no getting away from it, Palm, Samsung, HTC whoever just can't get close to Apple right now.
Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
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Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone aroundyou and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it
Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.
I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
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I never even took the stock earbuds out of the box. Been alternating between V-Moda Vibe Duos and Bose Quiet Comforts
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The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place.....multitasking...
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
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If you don't count playing music whilst browsing the web or any other task, and background checking your email / calendar sync... but it sure sounds like multitasking to me
And all because you can't choose other apps to have open in the background dosn't mean it can't multitask 'at all'. And lord just look at the Hero (slowwww/laggggg) as a case point why multitasking might not always be the best way to go about a mobile phone operating system.
I don't know if talking about lag is a valid point as I, and many others have experienced no lag at all, even during intense useage.
Personally, I understand that many people are experiencing lag issues but I'm keen to see what happens with this update coming out soon.
And background processing/multitasking is absoultely vital for a smartphone OS.
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Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.
Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.
And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.
Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
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Goto Cydia > download "Backgrounder" and multitask as much as you want!
I'm a techy too, but the Hero just doesn't impress. Jailbreak an iphone and become a geeky as you want. Widgets on lock screen and the springboard.
The iphone apps are like a 100 years ahead of android! one day android will be great. Just not today.
Hi all,
to all of you who already bought a Nexus One, how do you like your phone ? I've only seen posts with questions, complaints (battery, no Exchange calendar sync, etc), but no one says "wow, this phone is absolutely incredible, I really love it !".
I switched from Nokia some months ago (I was a Nokia fanboy for many years, my last one was a N97) to a HTC Hero, and find this phone absolutely fantastic. My Nexus One should arrive next week, and I'm sure I'll love this phone even more.
What's your opinion ?
the phone, simply is awesome. Granted there are some things that are flawed, but this is hardly something unexpected when a new piece of tech is released. So far all the troubles are software and can and Im assuming will be fixed in future updates. The speed is unmatchable, even with a **** ton of programs running simultaneously. I loaded camera, dolphine, market, default browser, gmail, and that 3d tron light racer all at the same time and the phone acted as if there was nothing there, scrolling was unchanged, processing just as fast as ever. The only serious gripes that I have with the phone is the instability of its 3g signal, but do not fret, this is a software issue and will be patched soon in the future. Also that some of the apps in the market do not yet work with Nexus One, but this too will be updated soon enough. I believe I can speak for everyone on this Nexus one Thread when I say, Google is one of those companies that takes care of its consumers.
Do not believe all the negative press that has dumbfoundedly found its way ruining the image of this phone. There is no phone faster, and there is no phone that is androidier.
-Cheers and enjoy your Nexus One
I dont like my N1, I love it, its so fast and beautiful. It takes great pictures, loads web pages really fast, especially xda, Im posting this from it. Battery life is fine for me. Ive never had any 3G issues, had 3G the whole time ive had the phone. This thing is definitely a beast I cant wait to see what future software upgrades will do.
It's badass.
It's a great phone. Very fast, very responsive, nice screen and lots of features. N1 torch comes in handy!
Definitely not for apple iphone followers. This is a true Geek phone.
Only complaint is Tmobile's 3G network issues, using EDGE for now.
I would like to mention that the Audio quality is very good with my headphones, no noise feed back.
While I did complain in my review, I do like the N1 a lot.
I love it. The OS handles multitasking very well. While a lot could be streamlined, I bought the phone in hopes of future improvement. I have my iPhone 3GS right here next to me. I'm not going back to it.
However, I wish I could find a 32 GB microSD card. All I can find are 16 GB ones.
Let me put it this way.... I have a Nokia N900 (which supports Flash and is a multi-tasking beast) and my wife uses an unlocked and jailbroken 3G iPhone, both on T-Mobile. I bought an N1 on Tuesday and had it Thursday.
After bringing it home my wife (who lives and dies by Apple products) said, let me just pop my sim in and take a look.
After using the N1 for the past two days she has officially declared she is selling her iPhone and keeping the N1 and if I want one I'd have to get another one. Well SHOOOOOOT....
What she likes about the N1 (as compared to an iPhone 3G running 3.12):
- Likes the way it feels
- Amazon Music Store
- Managing Playlists on the Device
- Using any song as a ringtone
- Customization
- Likes the trackball
- LOVES LOVES LOVES the keyboard and texting functionality
- Thinks the camera is quicker then the iPhone.
Her big complaint with the iPhone camera was how it had a slight delay between
pressing the shutter function and saving the photo. Where inevitably the subject would
move during that short 'processing' time and blur or make the photo fuzzy.
Her only dislike:
- Headphones. As we all know HTC has a tendency to pack in very stock headphones which have poor audio quality. She's hoping more third party manufactures will make headphones specifically for the N1. Otherwise she's in the market for a decent pair of bluetooth headphones.
There you go.
And with the promise of Flash integration for the N1 from Adobe coming in the short months she's a very happy camper.
ajwho said:
I love it. The OS handles multitasking very well. While a lot could be streamlined, I bought the phone in hopes of future improvement. I have my iPhone 3GS right here next to me. I'm not going back to it.
However, I wish I could find a 32 GB microSD card. All I can find are 16 GB ones.
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Same here my iPhone will now just be used in my car for music and Sat Nav now(Got TomTom car kit/app)
All the 16GB are class 2 from what I've seen but I'm sure we will get bigger and faster ones soon!
I absolutely adore my Nexus One. All of my friends are iPhone users... went out last night and the Nexus was def the centre of attention. It's not quite as 'refined' as the iPhone but that's what I like about it. It's still super fast and the apps are getting better and better.
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Same here my iPhone will now just be used in my car for music and Sat Nav now(Got TomTom car kit/app)
All the 16GB are class 2 from what I've seen but I'm sure we will get bigger and faster ones soon!
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I'm thinking pair the N1 to the car, start last.fm and tell it to play stuff.. not had chance to try yet (too much snow to drive).
If it works well enough I'll sub to spotify and forget about storing music at all.
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I'm thinking pair the N1 to the car, start last.fm and tell it to play stuff.. not had chance to try yet (too much snow to drive).
If it works well enough I'll sub to spotify and forget about storing music at all.
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I use Spotify on my iPhone but the iPhone still has better Sat Nav apps than Android.
But I heard TomTom will be bring out an App for Android so once they hits I might sell my iPhone.
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Same here my iPhone will now just be used in my car for music and Sat Nav now(Got TomTom car kit/app)
All the 16GB are class 2 from what I've seen but I'm sure we will get bigger and faster ones soon!
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I just baught a 16gb class 6 off ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/T6t6-TOPRAM-16G...C_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item4cec20985f
hope I didn't get hosed
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I just baught a 16gb class 6 off ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/T6t6-TOPRAM-16G...C_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item4cec20985f
hope I didn't get hosed
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Never seen any in the UK. Play.com, Amazon etc don't sell class 6. Let us know how fast read/write is when you get it please
EDIT: Found one - http://www.dabs.com/products/trancend-16gb-micro-sdhc-card-628H.html Due in 3-4 weeks
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I use Spotify on my iPhone but the iPhone still has better Sat Nav apps than Android.
But I heard TomTom will be bring out an App for Android so once they hits I might sell my iPhone.
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Between Google navigation and Co-Pilot on Android, what else do you need for SatNav.
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Between Google navigation and Co-Pilot on Android, what else do you need for SatNav.
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No Google Nav in UK. And when I tried Co-Pilot on my G1 it was outdated and TomTom had much better maps for my area
Nexus One is amazing. end of story. yes some people will have problems either due to defects or simply their own mistakes. **** happens with any phone.
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Let me put it this way.... I have a Nokia N900 (which supports Flash and is a multi-tasking beast) and my wife uses an unlocked and jailbroken 3G iPhone, both on T-Mobile. I bought an N1 on Tuesday and had it Thursday.
After bringing it home my wife (who lives and dies by Apple products) said, let me just pop my sim in and take a look.
After using the N1 for the past two days she has officially declared she is selling her iPhone and keeping the N1 and if I want one I'd have to get another one. Well SHOOOOOOT....
What she likes about the N1 (as compared to an iPhone 3G running 3.12):
- Likes the way it feels
- Amazon Music Store
- Managing Playlists on the Device
- Using any song as a ringtone
- Customization
- Likes the trackball
- LOVES LOVES LOVES the keyboard and texting functionality
- Thinks the camera is quicker then the iPhone.
Her big complaint with the iPhone camera was how it had a slight delay between
pressing the shutter function and saving the photo. Where inevitably the subject would
move during that short 'processing' time and blur or make the photo fuzzy.
Her only dislike:
- Headphones. As we all know HTC has a tendency to pack in very stock headphones which have poor audio quality. She's hoping more third party manufactures will make headphones specifically for the N1. Otherwise she's in the market for a decent pair of bluetooth headphones.
There you go.
And with the promise of Flash integration for the N1 from Adobe coming in the short months she's a very happy camper.
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How does it compare to the n900?
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How does it compare to the n900?
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Haha. When the n900 stands next to the N1, everyone laughs at it. Not because of anything wrong with it, just because... anything is laughable next to the Nexus One. The iPhone looks like a toy you get for your kid to pretend it has a cell phone. The Nexus One is not an iPhone killer. The iPhone and the N1 are in completely different categories... iPhone is a toy from a previous age. Nexus is a thing of awesome power and functionality, in a design that is, yes, more beautiful than the iPhone, by far. It can't be denied, this is just as slim (slimmer, actually) and sleek as the iPhone, but it actually has some style, versus the iPhone's simple "nothing" look of one giant button. The only thing that the N1 does not make obsolete is BlackBerry, and that's because it, too fits into its own category, an email machine. All other smartphones now look like antiques in comparison.
There, that answer your question?
Thanks, because of you (all) I CAN'T WAIT to receive my phone ! (I ordered it outside of the US by using a proxy)
Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
That's $707.25... I can buy a new on and have it sent overnight for ~$600.
Not trying to troll or anything, just a tip if you plan on selling it to anybody in the US.
I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it
To bad it did not work out for U...mine keeps getting better by the day! Well best of luck to ya selling it at that price...
I am going to bite my tongue... your logic is very flawed in many ways.
It may not be a rip off when you include the VAT he would have had to pay. We can get it cheaper here in the U.S. sure, but what is the total bill (including VAT) for someone in the U.K.?
IRT sound quality the speaker phone is utter crap but music is not bad if you have a decent set of headphones attached.
It sounds about right. My total came up about £441 after the VAT.
I agree re speaker sound but I'm saving up for QC 15 and I hope it will sound good enough not to buy an dedicated player.
I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?
Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.
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I have been using my Nexus one since the day after it was announced. I also have an HD2, iPhone 3Gs and we just got a new Palm Pre Plus to play around with testing for our users. Overall, my favorite is the N1 for customization, but there is one thing with the N1 that keeps pulling me back to my jailbroke iPhone and that is they keyboard. The iPhone keyboard is just so much easier to use. The only reason I can understand why is that it has multitouch. I often miss letters while keying on the N1 and best I can tell its when I hit the next letter before I lift my other thumb off the previous one. So I can type so much quicker on the iPhone over the N1. Why can't the keyboard be multitouch on the N1?
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Try smart keyboard pro from the market
I will admit, the speaker on the N1 is not that great.
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Why use speaker phone, and the external speaker to listen to music anyway? Get a decent set of headphones and a BT ear peace and be done. The former were never intended to be used in such a way for longer than when you have nothing better available and need to set the phone down. Its like expecting your netbook to game like your desktop, you set your self up to be disappointed.
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I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
I also thought that having a 5 megapixel camera (with flash) would make the phone an awesome device to take pictures with, it seems to me you simply wanted to complain, then sell the device - and this seemed to be the correct place to do it. I know that I'm wrong, but thats my 2 cents on the matter..
I use my N1 for music all the time, and think it sounds great. In the dock over bluetooth to my computer's speakers it sounds great. With my QC2's plugged in it sounds like I'm in da club.
The speakerphone is a speakerphone...I don't expect 5.1 out of it. What's with people???
I hate the standard OSK, so I installed the HTC-IME, and love it! Why do people quit so easily these days when we have SO many options?
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Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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Wow, what an idiot.
From the other thread:
I have listed my brand new Nexus One on eBay, simply because the speaker is not loud enough for me having come from the Nokia 5800.
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So your only reason, let me rephrase, the ***ONLY*** reason you are returning it is because the speaker is not loud enough?
A) There is an audio hack in the works that will make the N1 MUCH louder than your Nokia, guaranteed. Here are the links for the N1 (in production) and G1 hacks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517745
B) Why don't you try using the rest of the phone???
C) You're selling it for $175 more than the unsubsidized cost. WTF????
This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time.
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He's right in that the phone's speaker does leave something to be desired--Nokia phones generally have higher-equality speakers, what with them taking their "music phones" awfully seriously (I came to the N1 from the 5730 Xpressmusic: ****ty phone in every way but playback quality). It's a shame their devices aren't good for much else. Well, except durability. Those little buggers can withstand a lot of abuse.
I find it amazing that just because of the speaker he's prepared to loose all the other fantastic benefits of this amazing device... but still, different people, different priorities I guess. Myself I bought an £8 Veho360, very small and makes the music/podcasts sound like they're coming from a Hi Fi (Well, not quite... )
On the price, it is a bit cheeky he's trying to then make a profit. Mine cost £355 shipped and I may get a £60 VAT receipt soon. Having said that, there are peope on eBay asking £500 for it... I assume some idiots pay that.
Yeah, I wish my speaker was louder too (because I prefer to carry only one device to act as phone, tiny computer, media player and all) but it's far from a dealbreaker. Listening to music on it while out in public places is obnoxious, anyway, so I use the headphone.
Speaking of which, many people in countries other than the US/UK/Singapore/Hong Kong are quite willing to pay in the region of $600-800 for the phone. Makes me wish I'd ordered a few extra. Would've made a tidy profit.
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Long time lurker here and I have migrated from Winmo back in the day to Symbian and then to HTC's N1. Have also tried many other deivces along the way but thought this could have been it!
Unfortunately, I have been spoiled by the Nokia 5800. The sound quality from this thing is superb both for music playback and for speakerphone and I use it for both these purposes a lot. I had read about the N1 sound quality but thought the other bells and whistles would make me forget about it, sadly not.
The N1 I am sure is a great device but for now I am back to the Nokia. Perhaps with a little more time and patience I would learn to love the operating system of Android 2.1 but the hardware limitations (speaker and camera in the main) have led me to place my 2 day old Nexus One on the market.
For anyone interested, it's in the marketplace HERE for £449.99.
I will keep a close eye on Android and with MWC just around the corner, perhaps I will be tempted back when the hardware is available to match the O/S!
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I have to say this is way off the mark.
firstly the 5800 is rubbish. I had one and the earphone volume was ultra low until you pushed the case. Faulty connection in 90% of 5800's made. the OS is a nasty mess of s60v3 and touch. Sometimes you need single touch, sometimes you need double touch.
The contruction quality is poor, to be charitable.
You might be right about the sound quality, I gave my 5800 back within 2 days so never really tried it. but HTC devices normally have pretty good sound, perhaps a third party player with different codec might improve, or further roms might improve in the future.
On every other stat I wouldn't even bother to compare the 5800 to the N1
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I would troll.. thats a ripoff and he knows it
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Not a ripoff if he sell it in the UK, and he will know there is no way a US citizen is gonna buy it, why would they?
They are selling on eBay for more than that over here.
Kev
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I agree with this so much, I honestly do not know what you were expecting from a mere cellphone - even though some may have superb sound playback, I honestly never have "high expectations" for the quality of the speaker. Honestly, I never knew people so extensively used the speakerphone on a device enough to actually make them completely regret the phone.
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A bit unfair on the guy, I agree the speaker is silly bad, and why? Nokia can and do put some nice speakers in some phones, 5800 and N95's come to mind as brilliant, and some stinkers a bad as the N1, like the E72, N97, N97 mini.
Even the iPhone speaker from flipping 3 years ago sounds quite nice when you have no choice but to use it instead of headphones.
Kev
Is it still worth it buying the vega. I have finally saved up £250 but it it still worth it ??
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I think it's still bang for the bucks. However, maybe you can try to find some model called Viewpad S or something like that, it's the same internals but with an LED screen.
Does it really have a other/better screen? Perpaps you have a source with images or video?
If thats true i think about sending my pov mobii back the 10s is available in some german online shops.
I was in the very same dilemma are yourself and took the plunge a week ago. Since then I have been on the very of taking it backup several times.
Good points:
1.Its cheap, very cheap, very cheap indeed.
2.Its fast, its very fast and smooth, fast out of the box and faster with a modded ROM (I use Fuji)
3.Its light and fairly well built, plastic but pretty solid.
4.The screen is bright and clear
5.It plays games extremely well - you need to apply an accelerometer fix though.
6. I found battery life pretty good.
7. Its ripe for Honeycomb, although what is this really going to bring other than visual goodies??
Bad points
1. viewing angles are not great at all,the over all screen quality isnt that good, however you do get used to it and it is bright and clear.
2. sound quality is very poor in my opinion, it sounds like it has been set to loud out of the Ad converters and distorts at only 50% volume. (HDMI quality is perfect though, so probably poor AD converters used - although a firmware update could fix this). Alternatively it could be a codec issue as higher but rates sound a lot better than lower bit rates - disproportionatly so.
3. it cant play H264 high profile video, this however is a limitaion of Tegra that I was not aware of, so if you are thinking of playing those 1 gig 720p TV rips, think again unless you want to waste your time converting everything.
4.THink this really needs 3g, I found the wireless pretty good but others say its flakey, havent tried tethering yet but it looks complicated to get working.
5. No market out of the box, however anyone buying this tablet will want to immediately put a decent ROM on it so that not really an issue.
6. Only 512 NAND - 4 gig SD onboard. If you consider the screen is cheap and the SD card is only worth a few quid then spending another £50 on a better tablet might be worth it to get a better screen and 3G
conclusions:
If you are on a budget this tablet rocks, it really does. If money is not an issue consider waiting for the Xoom or even better the Galaxy tab 10.1 - I may sell this and get one when it arrives.
I agree , but it`s normally £150 or most to get a bether screen and 3g
I actually had a really good look around last night and could really find anything that came close price vs performance features. Most of the others have more onboard memory but some dont even have HDMI. The viewpad looked to be a decent option but has no HDMI and it quite a bit more expensive.
I was the same I looked and looked to try and find a better tablet for the price nd couldn't find one lol its a very good device and I'm happy the only thing is there's not much development going on but I'm hoping that will change
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I will buy it then currently I'm building a Rom for the desire with my cousin maybe we could make one for the vega
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For android devices I think it's still one of the best for the money... The screen could be better but really isn't that bad (if you're using it alone, it gets nastier when tyou want to show a video to someone).
You might want to consider an iPad now that those prices have dropped (sorry that I dropped that word here, but it's certainly a good alternative now that the price is more competative.)
To comment on the negatives above:
1. viewing angles are not great at all,the over all screen quality isnt that good, however you do get used to it and it is bright and clear.
As mentioned, only is really an issue when showing things to other ppl or looking at the tablet with more then 1 person.
2. sound quality is very poor in my opinion, it sounds like it has been set to loud out of the Ad converters and distorts at only 50% volume. (HDMI quality is perfect though, so probably poor AD converters used - although a firmware update could fix this). Alternatively it could be a codec issue as higher but rates sound a lot better than lower bit rates - disproportionatly so.
Speakers from the tablet are mediocre indeed (but not that bad), connecting it to speakers seems to generate a nice sound but have experiment some more with that.
3. it cant play H264 high profile video, this however is a limitaion of Tegra that I was not aware of, so if you are thinking of playing those 1 gig 720p TV rips, think again unless you want to waste your time converting everything.
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4.THink this really needs 3g, I found the wireless pretty good but others say its flakey, havent tried tethering yet but it looks complicated to get working.
Using another android phone as a wifi connection is easy as hell... Can't comment on other phones. You just check a checkbox in the phone to make it act as a mobile point and the vega sees it as a wifi connection. Works very nicely...
5. No market out of the box, however anyone buying this tablet will want to immediately put a decent ROM on it so that not really an issue.
True, but appearantly it's a limitation by google itself and not the manufacturer of the tablet. Also easy to circumvent.
6. Only 512 NAND - 4 gig SD onboard. If you consider the screen is cheap and the SD card is only worth a few quid then spending another £50 on a better tablet might be worth it to get a better screen and 3G
Make that 150... But yeah, would be nice to have some more ram and/or storage but must say it's sufficient for now (and just put in a 16GB or 32GB SDcard...)
Hmm nice ideas people I will buy at the weekend probably
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Also been looking around. And there seems to be nothing to touch this device at this price and build quality. It is currently available (in the UK) for £200. I played with the iPad 2 and this tablet and their build quality was very similar -- but the iPad 2 is around *three* times the price.
I will buy one over the next week
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I had the same dilemma but for the price it it definatly worth it I haven't looked back and it almost replaces my laptop now. Plus their are great Android tablet woos out their it just takes a bit more looking.
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There is also the acer iconia a100 probably will still bu the vega. Can't wait !!!!!!
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My Vega just arrived and i am loving it. Havent had too much chance to play with it yet but first impressions are very good. It is better out of the box than i was expecting, if this had google stuff out of the box i would recommend to anyone, as it is i would still recommend to anyone who can google competently.
Very glad i bought this now, i was considering just going for original ipad since the price drop, but this thing will blow it out the water when i get it hacked and fully working. Also loving the fact that i can just turn my phone into wifi hotspot at work and start using it straight away no need for any connection to computer at all. Suck that ipad/iphone.
If they get it updated with Honeycomb at some stage with google apps this would become a killer device.
Sorry for the rant just so happy to get the vega after around a week of waitign for it to be delivered.
I just upgraded to the Trophy and switched to WP7. Love it and not looking back. I miss the slightly bigger screen, a few free apps and google maps/directions, but other than that, WP7 is a winner for me.
Now, what should I do with my fascinate? Is it worth keeping as something like an iPod Touch? Or should I sell it off and just buy a dedicated camera plus mp3 player for that purpose? I'm assuming I could get at least $200 for this, which would get me a nice Rockbox player. I would get an iPod touch, but I'm very allergic to iTunes.
I'd like to use the fascinate (or something else) as an MP3 player and exercise tracker for the gym, offline map use with google maps and HTPC remote control. However, I'm worried because the battery life is utter crap. Is it still that way w/ the cellular radio turned off?
Now assuming I keep it and don't sell it there are some other questions. Which ROM would be best for my purposes? Assume all I need to do is underclock and Voodoo. Still Comm ROM?
Also, having trouble finding accessories. Is there a gym-appropriate case that works well for the gym? Something like a silicone bumper with armband, legband or beltclip/holster? Double duty for around the house would help.
Appreciate your opinions.
the Fascinate is a great music player if you install Voodoo Sound.
Id sell it and get an ipod touch
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I'm keeping mine and using it like an iPod when the GS2 comes to VZ. With voodoo sound, the audio output of the Fascinate is incredible to say the least. The GS2 apparently isn't near as good with audio, and I know sound quality is pretty crappy from iPods.
Why use it as an ipod if your windows phone is also a great mp3 player? why carrying two devices when one can do all?
sell it, make some money out of it and take your girlfriend out for dinner Lol
Primary phone + gym = don't wanna go there. I love that WP7 has an FM radio and great music, but I view most things I take to the gym as likely to die/disappear/destruct (for historical reasons). Also using phone as a music player for an hour workout guarantees battery failure at a needed point - been there / done that. I like to keep it separate for many reasons. That said, if I get a good enough case, maybe I'll try it.
Additionally WP7 doesn't scobble or support replaygain. I like both. Crossing my fingers that someday the APIs will allow Foobar2000 (or an equivalent) to run on WP7.
I don't like iTunes. Will never get an iPod touch for that reason. If they cut the cord, fine, but if I have to use iTunes that's a dealbreaker. I evaluate a lot of tech and it pains me whenever I have to check something on an iPad because that means installing iTunes.
Dinner for girlfriend is fine, but I'm single at the moment. I don't take a girl on a date and tell her I sold a phone to buy her a Chalupa
Ok, so apparently I need to Voodoo my phone twice now. All I thought I needed was to get rid of that damned Samsung filesystem. Is there a ROM that has this pre-loaded?
Com rom would be great...i get over a day and a half with split time on 3g and wifi, listening to music with power amp for about 4 hours at work, and texting on and . voodoo sound is in kernels, but both that are included withCom rom have it
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You can use Winamp and various other apps to manage music on iDevices. Personally, my old iPod Touch easily gets 20 hours of continous music playback (that's likely on the conservative side! I frequently forget to pause my ipod at night, so it'll end up playing ~10 hours, and do that several nights in a row without charging!), while my Fascinate would probably get no where near that amount... Music playback seems to use a shockingly large amount of battery for some odd reason. Either should be more than fine for a couple days worth of work outs without charging, though. There's also definitely going to be every accessory under the sun for the iPod, while the Fascinate will have a tiny handful of accessories (most of which will probably be some generic 'universal' one that doesn't fit quite right and is of questionable build quality).
Also, people keep saying how "great" the sound is from the Fascinate... I doubt with headphones you'll be using at the gym that the claimed difference would matter. When using any reasonably priced headphones, you won't be telling the difference! That's also assuming the audio files you have are of high enough quality to tell as well...
If you're sticking with the Fascinate, I'd recommend sticking with whatever ROM you currently are on until CM7 supports all the hardware you want to use. I'm personally waiting for a fully funcional CM7 before upgrading from SC 2.9.2.
Edit: If your phone is running any ComRom/UKB, you already have Voodoo Sound. Voodoo Sound has been supported in Froyo almost since we started using the kernel source for the Mesmerize back on some version of Super Clean.
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You can use Winamp and various other apps to manage music on iDevices. Personally, my old iPod Touch easily gets 20 hours of continous music playback (that's likely on the conservative side! I frequently forget to pause my ipod at night, so it'll end up playing ~10 hours, and do that several nights in a row without charging!), while my Fascinate would probably get no where near that amount... Music playback seems to use a shockingly large amount of battery for some odd reason. Either should be more than fine for a couple days worth of work outs without charging, though. There's also definitely going to be every accessory under the sun for the iPod, while the Fascinate will have a tiny handful of accessories (most of which will probably be some generic 'universal' one that doesn't fit quite right and is of questionable build quality).
Also, people keep saying how "great" the sound is from the Fascinate... I doubt with headphones you'll be using at the gym that the claimed difference would matter. When using any reasonably priced headphones, you won't be telling the difference! That's also assuming the audio files you have are of high enough quality to tell as well...
If you're sticking with the Fascinate, I'd recommend sticking with whatever ROM you currently are on until CM7 supports all the hardware you want to use. I'm personally waiting for a fully funcional CM7 before upgrading from SC 2.9.2.
Edit: If your phone is running any ComRom/UKB, you already have Voodoo Sound. Voodoo Sound has been supported in Froyo almost since we started using the kernel source for the Mesmerize back on some version of Super Clean.
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+1. For messing with my iPod Touch files, I use CopyTrans Manager, which is free, it is decent and very reliable.
Heh, without the celluar radios on, android devices have a crazy amount of battery life. Using my hero as an mp3 player it would go 2 days before needing a charge with lite use. No reason the fascinate would be much different especially being used as a mp3 player seeing one of the biggest power draws is the screen it's self. I'd just keep it and continue use, you pretty much have a Galaxy S player.
Depending on how much you use the screen you could probably get around 2-4 days use out of it. Cm7 has a feature where you can hold the volume key up or down to skip a song or play the previous one while the screen is off so theres some potential battery savings there if you make good playlists. If audio quality is important to you, this phone + voodoo sound + a decent pair of headphones will provide a top notch experience.
Sent from my kang banged fascinate, bro.
Just for a better reference point for an older iPod Touch's battery life (the newer ones are better), I last charged mine 3 days ago, and have used it the last two nights for somewhere on the order of 10-12 hours each night, totally somewhere from 20-24 hours... and I currently have more than half my battery left. I'll get at least another 2 nights of similar usage before it gets into the red, so I'd figure somewhere around 40-50 hours of playtime.
are you guys using a dock out something or the internal speaker? I know with my daughters nano (5thgen) a long as its not powering it own speaker it last forever lol but its a lot smaller battery too
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are you guys using a dock out something or the internal speaker? I know with my daughters nano (5thgen) a long as its not powering it own speaker it last forever lol but its a lot smaller battery too
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I've never owned an ipod myself but I would assume most people use them with headphones...
Sent from my kang banged fascinate, bro.
well there are talking about night time use so headphones don't seen logical especially if sleeping... atleast I don't sleep with them anyway haha
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If you have one of the custom kernels (PBJ, OTB), just download Voodoo Control (free) from the Market.
Regarding battery life, I went out of the country last year, and had to keep my phone in airplane mode to avoid roaming fees. I basically just used it as an alarm clock (no music, etc). After seven days, I still had about 70% battery left. I really wish I had taken a screen shot so people won't say I'm lying. This was on bloated stock rom, btw.
And I agree with your hate of iTunes. The iPod Touch is an amazing piece of hardware, but being tied to iTunes is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe you could jail break it and not have to rely on iTunes?
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well there are talking about night time use so headphones don't seen logical especially if sleeping... atleast I don't sleep with them anyway haha
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I use earbud-style headphones. Those present absolutely no difficulties with sleeping I prefer earbuds since they're far more portable than any other style (just shove them in my pocket and go!).
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Regarding battery life, I went out of the country last year, and had to keep my phone in airplane mode to avoid roaming fees. I basically just used it as an alarm clock (no music, etc). After seven days, I still had about 70% battery left. I really wish I had taken a screen shot so people won't say I'm lying. This was on bloated stock rom, btw.
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That's not really surprising, the phone should be using virtually zero power in that case. Nothing should be waking it up until the internal timer wakes the kernel, that'll then trigger the alarm, pretty much.
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And I agree with your hate of iTunes. The iPod Touch is an amazing piece of hardware, but being tied to iTunes is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe you could jail break it and not have to rely on iTunes?
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You don't need to jailbreak it to use something else. I mentioned Winamp earlier in the thread, and someone else mentioned another program. There's quite a few that can be used to sync your music, including multiple programs on Linux/OS X as well. Hating iTunes isn't really a good enough reason
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You don't need to jailbreak it to use something else. I mentioned Winamp earlier in the thread, and someone else mentioned another program. There's quite a few that can be used to sync your music, including multiple programs on Linux/OS X as well. Hating iTunes isn't really a good enough reason
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I should have said that the requirement to use any program to sync my device is a deal breaker for me. I thought maybe jail breaking would allow a drag and drop (like our phones)
But if it isn't for the OP, I think Media Monkey will also sync an iPod
I personally kinda like iTunes as a music player and the syncing isn't that horrible... but anyway enough about that.
If I was against getting an iPod then I'd keep the Fascinate as an MP3 player. You get to use it not only to play music but you get the added benefit of Google syncing (personally I can't live without calendar, Gmail) and the entire Android Market. Using Voodoo will get you a faster filesystem and awesome sound, and with the appropriate kernel you can configure it for battery life. Without the radio and using wi-fi sparingly you can get some amazing battery life. And don't forget it's got that awesome screen.
If you don't need a camcorder and don't mind limited BT, then CM6 is pretty stable and will be the cleanest and smoothest ROM (MMS is broken too but that won't matter since you don't have service on it). There should be some voodoo kernels for it floating around somewhere in the Development forum.