The welcome return of peep - HD2 General

The peep app is up and running again! I'm ecstatic; as the app stopped working from the moment I got my HD2!?

It was saying my account was forbidden. I thought I had done something wrong lol

regerer said:
It was saying my account was forbidden. I thought I had done something wrong lol
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Ha! I take it it's working for you now Regerer?

Still not working for me, LOGIN error incorrect username/password.. help~

azlan96 said:
Still not working for me, LOGIN error incorrect username/password.. help~
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Sorry to hear that azlan96. Email HTC, they're pretty promt with their replies? Not sure how the updates going in Malaysia, but I'm pretty sure peeps working almost everywhere else?

It seemse it does work almost everywhere. Mine does not work either in WinMo, but it does in Android. Cannot login.

azlan96 said:
Still not working for me, LOGIN error incorrect username/password.. help~
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How about trying this:
1. Log out from your Twitter on your pc
2. Log in HTC Peep
3. Once you can login HTC Peep, you can start loging into Twitter clients on your Pc.
That should do the job. It works for me. No more "account is forbidden to access Twitter server". LoL

seems that those of us that had logged out of peep are still not able to get back in.
I get invalid user name and password no matter what i try. Though I like motweets better anyways. worth the 4bucks for no ads.

nrfitchett4 said:
seems that those of us that had logged out of peep are still not able to get back in.
I get invalid user name and password no matter what i try. Though I like motweets better anyways. worth the 4bucks for no ads.
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Yeah... Just signed out every app that i have, mobile or desktop, revoked access to all except Peep and logged out, but still no luck.

Carebear85 said:
Yeah... Just signed out every app that i have, mobile or desktop, revoked access to all except Peep and logged out, but still no luck.
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Any luck with peep where you are yet?

still NOT working. this is BS.

Perhaps you do use the wrong password?
The problem was related to some upgrades Twitter made to their servers.
They have been rolling back the change, perhaps the server you use from your country has not(yet) been rolled back?
Over here (me in Holland...) Peep has been working since sunday afternoon (as was announced on friday...)

been using the same login info that i use on standard web browsers when accessing twitter. you're probably right about my location not getting a fix for peep yet. probably.

Hulmeman said:
Any luck with peep where you are yet?
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Nope and i gave up on it. Even on Android.

Wilco said:
Over here (me in Holland...) Peep has been working since sunday afternoon (as was announced on friday...)
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Strange I use telfort as well, butt i still have te problem of not getting in. and yes I use the correct password.
I logged out in MoTweets /twitter, soft reset my phone still no luck...

hotzeklotz said:
Strange I use telfort as well, butt i still have te problem of not getting in. and yes I use the correct password.
I logged out in MoTweets /twitter, soft reset my phone still no luck...
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Then something is not right...
I use Telfort too (so no problem there)
I also use latest ROM (Stock), not yet released on HTC
Radio 2.07.51.22_2
Protocol 15.32.50.07U
ROM 1.66.404.1 (76641) NLD
Manilla 2.5.19211619.0
Latest publishe by HTC is:
RUU_Leo_HTC_NLD_1.66.404.1_Radio_Signed_15.30.50.07U_2.06.51.07_Ship.exe
ROM is same Radio is earlier (mine is later), protocol is also different. I do not know about manilla, but these two differences are apparent to mee.
Perhaps some ROM Cooker could tell me if I am wrong BTW
Which Rom do you have?

YEY
Works fine for me now although i have done a rom update just before (doubt this has anything to do with it)

Wilco said:
Perhaps you do use the wrong password?
The problem was related to some upgrades Twitter made to their servers.
They have been rolling back the change, perhaps the server you use from your country has not(yet) been rolled back?
Over here (me in Holland...) Peep has been working since sunday afternoon (as was announced on friday...)
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Mine also not working
Also in Holland, but on the T-Mobile network...
Where did they announce it?

Thank you for the reply Wilco!
I had to take drastic measures. Hard reset.
I guess the problem has to be in a application I installed (perhaps MoTweets!?)
Maybe de-installation would do the trick too but I wanted to get a fresh install anyway.
I use an original Rom. (last update)
HTC Peep works again, so i'm happy.

I heard that the fact Peep wasn't working, had to do with Twitter changing the way apps authenticated the username and password (from basic auth to oAuth), and since Peep only used basic auth it became useless on August 31th (the day Twitter changed the auth method)...
I am curious how you got Peep to work again, because it keeps failing on my device (even though I too am from Holland, using Vodafone)... so I'm just going to check if HTC has an update for my rom

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GMAIL Mobile APP certificate error on T-mobile WM6

Has anyone figured out how to solve the issue with the Gmail mobile Java app and the "Your phone doesn’t have the appropriate certificate to communicate with Gmail" error?
I used to have a motorola razr, and the app worked just fine, so it's not T-mobile blocking me ... but rather something in WM6.
duprade said:
Has anyone figured out how to solve the issue with the Gmail mobile Java app and the "Your phone doesn’t have the appropriate certificate to communicate with Gmail" error?
I used to have a motorola razr, and the app worked just fine, so it's not T-mobile blocking me ... but rather something in WM6.
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Actually, i just tried this the other day with My Wing, and I had no issues. But, I have had issues before when I was using the Standard T-Mobile ROM. Currently I am using the Touch-IT Rom.
As an FYI for anyone having problems with the stock TMO rom's ... after installing the PDAVIET TouchFlo rom, the GMAIL app works flawlessly, but I had to install the java from this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1483665&postcount=24
i prefer to check it from PIE. my homepage is set up as google and it includes GMail (showing last 5 emails) as well as a few other blogs. Checking for new mail without even logging in makes it very quick, just load up PIE. I gave up with the gmail app a while ago...
Yeah, I have google setup as my homepage too... which is nice, but I like the ability to use the gmail app since it has more off the options you would get on the actual site.
Plus there's that whole "hell yeah" feeling you get when you finally get something to work that been making you crazy for the past 2 months! haha... similiar to my getting the resized mms problem fixed.
great results!
Have to verify duprade - I am running a stock wing and simply installed the cab, started that version of Java and ran the Gmail mobile app (no cert prompt or anything.....)
--paklids.
Glad you got it working. I was certainly relieved when I got it to work.... funny thing is I barely use it ... I just want it to work when I do need it.
I actually got this to work by downloading the file on my phone. When it tried to run it, i got the cert error. but i opened esmertec jbed, went to menu, install, local file and it finds the gmail file. Click gmail in the list and it will start the install.
Working fine for me now. You do have to hit yes a few times for it to connect...but this should work. let me know.
I do this also, but the only problem is that it does not display attachments, such as photos. Any ideas on how to fix that?
Thanks.
neptune said:
i prefer to check it from PIE. my homepage is set up as google and it includes GMail (showing last 5 emails) as well as a few other blogs. Checking for new mail without even logging in makes it very quick, just load up PIE. I gave up with the gmail app a while ago...
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[SOLVED] HTC Peep credentials error

Hi everyone,
When I try to login on htc peep with my twitter credentials, I get an error telling me that I'm entering the wrong username or password. The problem is that these credentials are correct, as I can login using them on my desktop.
Anyone have a solution to my problem?
Tried:
- Removing twitter tab and re-adding it.
- Cleared peep cache
- Soft reset
Solution:
1) Go to the twitter website, change your password.
2) Try to login using peep, it should fail.
3) Go to the twitter website, change your password back to the original.
4) Try to login using peep, it should work now.
Greetz
Tom
HTC HD2
Stock rom 1.66
Qtacz said:
Hi everyone,
When I try to login on htc peep with my twitter credentials, I get an error telling me that I'm entering the wrong username or password. The problem is that these credentials are correct, as I can login using them on my desktop.
Anyone have a solution to my problem?
Greetz
Tom
HTC HD2
Stock rom 1.66
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Try this, disable Tweeter tab in Manila Settings, restart Manila, then enable again Tweeter tab and try to login. I don't know why, but it does the same thing to me randomly.
carlosmozas said:
Try this, disable Tweeter tab in Manila Settings, restart Manila, then enable again Tweeter tab and try to login. I don't know why, but it does the same thing to me randomly.
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Did that a couple of times already, still getting the same error ...
Have you tried cleaning temp files, caché, etc.. with SKTools or similar?
carlosmozas said:
Have you tried cleaning temp files, caché, etc.. with SKTools or similar?
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I cleared peep cache and my temp folder, still receiving the error
It is likely that your speling correction is active, changing the first letter of the password to CAPITAL one.
do short try:
input the password as always, then delete the first letter and re-input it.
Or, change your pass to have the first letter as capital
Have you any "strange" character on your nickname and/or password?; like an ñ; ç, etc.. Perhaps HTC Peed don't recognize that character...
I'm starting to be out of ideas.
spamtrash said:
It is likely that your speling correction is active, changing the first letter of the password to CAPITAL one.
do short try:
input the password as always, then delete the first letter and re-input it.
Or, change your pass to have the first letter as capital
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Tried it, still receiving the error
it does the same thing if your using wifi instead of carrier data connection?
carlosmozas said:
it does the same thing if your using wifi instead of carrier data connection?
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Problem solved now.
I went to twitter.com, changed my password.
Then tried to login with peep, login failed as usual.
Went back to twitter.com, changed it back to original.
Then tried to login with peep again and now it works again.
Really weird if you ask me ...
Hello,
I got the same issue and no way to solve it. I tried your process but with no luck...
Still searching!
Check your TIME, DATE and TIMEZONE!
After a flash, this usually goes haywire. The timestamp between the Twitter server and your HTC device doesn't match up which is usually why this happens.
Try this out. This is the only thing that kept me from logging into Twitter with HTC Peep.
try logging out of your twitter account on your computer first then trying on the phone.
Hi Guys,
After a fresh flashing (including the last twitter security update) I'm not able to login into twitter and I get the same error message:
Login Error. You have entered an incorrect username or password.
I used this ROM before without problems, so I guess it is not ROM related.
Is HTC Peep starting to have problems again?
Brgds
It's not Peep or ROM related. Twitter itself messed up something and NO ONE can use twitter anymore ;/.
I'm unable to login with tweet 'till today. Wrong username or password. Nothing listed helped.
See this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14506286 (and my message a few days ago). Still a bug in HTC peep.
I switched to Motweets today. Looks ok,
MoTweets is the way
I also had the same problem. I even contacted HTC. They asked me to send my phone to service as if they can solve it. They were not able to solve it. Finally I am using an application called MoTweets. I downloaded it from windows market place. After using it for a while I should say it is a lot better than HTC Peep. Try it
Yeah, I know MoTweets. Thats what I'm using right now anyway. But still missing Peep for its integration on homescreen (I'm kinda person "I have 4 seconds of free time, lets check twitter").

My doomed twitter problem

I hope someone here can help me since i am so desperate after searching many forums, anyway i'll try summarize it as much as i can :
- my desktop twitter log in working.
- my x10 browser log in working.
- x10 opera mini log in working.
- desktop applications like tweetdeck and cotweet which require authorization working too..
- any twitter application for android isn't working, Twiteroid, etc even timescape tells me invalid account information,
Twiteroid tells my it can't authorize the account ( and its not the one hour problem that happens due to wrong password )
- i've tried revoking all access from all program but again no use..
Any ideas ?
sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
there are loads of twitter apps out there for android
SWIFT
TWIDROID
TWITPRO
SEESMIC
TWICCA
and my personal favorite TWEETCASTER
check your user name and password again when entering it ...sometimes when using swype or slide it you can accidentally rely on it too much for accuracy and it will add in a word you previously entered incorrectly!
I have also noticed with passwords and emails if you have AUTO word space set up in SWYPE you can end up with a space where you do not need it and not see this glitch until it rejects your userame/password!
edit additional If your using a Googlemail or Gmail acct for your email then try re registering with a different email address sometimes GOOGLE mail account can cause headaches and not allow access to some stuff ... the android market being one will not accept an @gmail acct and needs you to use an @googlemail this is due to them offering the googlemail to gmail switch a month or so back!
TWIDROID, SEESMIC, TWICCA all not working
i can't be writing my username and password wrong for 2 days now comon
besides i log in normally on the web browser which makes me more confused
i tried log in with the username and not the Email and still no use..
it just keeps me going crazy..
There was a similar thread that I responded to on SE's own forum. I gave all the normal suggestions but none worked. In the end the lady concerned said she had to restart (?) her whole phone and lost her contacts so I think she did a factory restore on it. But that did solve the Twitter problem.
I think this is a problem that has occured in the last few days because I also noticed another couple of threads on there about the same thing. I asked the other poster to pay it forward and give a description of exactly what she did to resolve it. Sadly at this point she hasn't done so.
Hey suzed,
I sure remember your name from the se forum, you have like million post there
Anyway, i would like to make a factory reset my last resort since i am not rooted and dont want to, i wish i could solve this confusing problem, i even cant figure out if its twitter sided or mobile sided error, wait a min. I have an idea , Am gonna try another account and see where it goes...
I will post back soon.
sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
I tried another account but still no use, i am sure its something fromthe phone now..
I can't figure it out though...
sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
mezo9090 said:
Hey suzed,
I sure remember your name from the se forum, you have like million post there
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Yeah I know I need to get a life Sadly its a bit addictive trying to help people, bugs the cr*p out of me when I can't help especially on something that should be so flipping simple.
before you resort to desperate measures... try going into settings/ applications/ manage applications/ timescape/ clear data.. and Then do the same for timescape plug in manager and timescape provider.. then do the same for any Twitter apps you have.
You'll need to set those up again, but it might just do the trick!
im_iceman said:
before you resort to desperate measures... try going into settings/ applications/ manage applications/ timescape/ clear data.. and Then do the same for timescape plug in manager and timescape provider.. then do the same for any Twitter apps you have.
You'll need to set those up again, but it might just do the trick!
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nope, still no hope, i can't believe it, i have to do a full wipe for twitter .. lame ..
Hi mezo, the person on the SE forum did confirm this morning that is was a factory reset that did the trick (I get email notifications on that one - oh dear lord I need a life) but what a pain in your rear end just to get it working.
Wow you are fast, i just that notification 15 min ago too
Its just too early here, i guess i'll give it a try after backing up everything.
Will let you know how it goes...
sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
suzed said:
Hi mezo, the person on the SE forum did confirm this morning that is was a factory reset that did the trick (I get email notifications on that one - oh dear lord I need a life) but what a pain in your rear end just to get it working.
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still, not solved, i posted there in the same topic intesd of talking in two threads on two separate forums.
Right Just thought of something you need to change your APN settings from AUTOMATIC to manual and choose your provider MANUALLY!
I kinda vaguely remember having a similar issue when I used GERMAN EU firmware before finding the proper UK unbranded generic firmware
kmaximax said:
Right Just thought of something you need to change your APN settings from AUTOMATIC to manual and choose your provider MANUALLY!
I kinda vaguely remember having a similar issue when I used GERMAN EU firmware before finding the proper UK unbranded generic firmware
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i'll give it a try, although it happens on wifi and 3G connections -.-'
When U try to log in are you writing your email or nick as user?
Sorry for my bad english... Cant even spell correct (dyslecktic) on my nativ language....
bjorkis said:
When U try to log in are you writing your email or nick as user?
Sorry for my bad english... Cant even spell correct (dyslecktic) on my nativ language....
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i tried both..

Phone Finder Disabled?

Hey,
Just logged into HTCSense.com, and it says the Phone Finder is disabled. However, it is actually enabled on my phone.
Maybe will try deleting my account on my phone, and then re-sync it.
Anyone else had this?
have you tried to enable and login into google talk?
vovanopulo said:
have you tried to enable and login into google talk?
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Yeah, seems to be working fine
Very weird. It worked perfectly when I had Android on my HD2. Now it's not working
Everything else works though, I can ring my phone via the site, and it works with no delay.
vovanopulo said:
have you tried to enable and login into google talk?
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i've read about enabling google talk in other threads. how do you do this?
My phone finder isn't working either. How do I do this google talk stuff?
My Google Talk seems to be enabled. So bit confused how I'm meant to change things
Still, I love the phone
i am the only one that canot Verify my mail on HTCSense.com and get error 404 ?
liorra3 said:
i am the only one that canot Verify my mail on HTCSense.com and get error 404 ?
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Mine all connects fine. I had mine connected ages ago actually. Maybe it's just the (possible) high demand?
I tried making HTCSense.com account, everything went fine before the site asked me to log in from a phone.. Which is on pre order
So the email verification worked ok.
As per my account I am supposed to be somewhere in Nigeria ... lol
Yeah, you need to refresh it. And if you don't own the phone it says that. Very confused as to why mine is apparently disabled.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
So does anyone's phone finder work or do we all have it disabled even though it's enabled?
Doktaphex said:
So does anyone's phone finder work or do we all have it disabled even though it's enabled?
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It seems that not everything is functioning just yet on HTCSense.com as I have had some stuff working then failing and vice versa.
When I first registered the "Make my phone ring" service worked but now doesn't. The location finder stated incorrectly that I had not got the setting on my phone checked, but now it does actually show a map on the dashboard albeit stating that I am about 2000 miles away from where I actually am! (Refreshing does not work) Loading of contacts also fails but did load on one occasion!
I trust this service is not completely up and running properly or they really are over saturated by new users. Either way I am certain it'll work eventually and be very useful.
Yeah I figured it was probably just an error on HTC's end. I look forward to it working though.

Just got back from NYC event with my new TW, I like it!

Walk up, give them your name and you get a ticket and they take your tab. Got a free t-shirt as well (woot). They said fifteen minutes and it will be by the bar where a woman was cleaning the tabs that got updated.
Started it up and had to go through all the setup again.
I am loving TW so far, so for me it was great to get this done.
Had a problem logging into the same samsung account I created when I first got the tab, nobody there could help me. Someone else was there having the same problem and they said they had to create a new account using a different email address. Which is a bummer, I can log into the samsung.com account with the same UN and PW but on my Tab I cannot log into the existing account, says wrong password but I know it is correct.
Now I need to set it all up again but so far I like it. Oh and browser text input and drop downs are much better so far.
Raistlin1 said:
Walk up, give them your name and you get a ticket and they take your tab. Got a free t-shirt as well (woot). They said fifteen minutes and it will be by the bar where a woman was cleaning the tabs that got updated.
Started it up and had to go through all the setup again.
I am loving TW so far, so for me it was great to get this done.
Had a problem logging into the same samsung account I created when I first got the tab, nobody there could help me. Someone else was there having the same problem and they said they had to create a new account using a different email address. Which is a bummer, I can log into the samsung.com account with the same UN and PW but on my Tab I cannot log into the existing account, says wrong password but I know it is correct.
Now I need to set it all up again but so far I like it. Oh and browser text input and drop downs are much better so far.
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Try and pull the update for us!
What is the FW version?
3.1?
Raistlin1 said:
Walk up, give them your name and you get a ticket and they take your tab. Got a free t-shirt as well (woot). They said fifteen minutes and it will be by the bar where a woman was cleaning the tabs that got updated.
Started it up and had to go through all the setup again.
I am loving TW so far, so for me it was great to get this done.
Had a problem logging into the same samsung account I created when I first got the tab, nobody there could help me. Someone else was there having the same problem and they said they had to create a new account using a different email address. Which is a bummer, I can log into the samsung.com account with the same UN and PW but on my Tab I cannot log into the existing account, says wrong password but I know it is correct.
Now I need to set it all up again but so far I like it. Oh and browser text input and drop downs are much better so far.
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please load up CWM, take a nandroid backup, and please send to me, and i will work on updating the oc kernel.
thx.
DocRambone said:
What is the FW version?
3.1?
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Android 3.1 in the about section.
As for pulling the update I don't know how to do this. I never rooted so I have to do it and I would like to wait to see if someone does the locked bootloader root instructions on this new update.
Whats the build? Is it the same as whats already been released on xda?
Raistlin1 said:
Android 3.1 in the about section.
As for pulling the update I don't know how to do this. I never rooted so I have to do it and I would like to wait to see if someone does the locked bootloader root instructions on this new update.
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nakedninja42 said:
Whats the build? Is it the same as whats already been released on xda?
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It's 3.1
Kernal Version
2.6.36.3
[email protected] #1
Build Number
HMJ37.UEKMB P7510UEKMB
tghockey07 said:
It's 3.1
Kernal Version
2.6.36.3
[email protected] #1
Build Number
HMJ37.UEKMB P7510UEKMB
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Yeah, what he said.
Raistlin1 said:
Walk up, give them your name and you get a ticket and they take your tab. Got a free t-shirt as well (woot). They said fifteen minutes and it will be by the bar where a woman was cleaning the tabs that got updated.
Started it up and had to go through all the setup again.
I am loving TW so far, so for me it was great to get this done.
Had a problem logging into the same samsung account I created when I first got the tab, nobody there could help me. Someone else was there having the same problem and they said they had to create a new account using a different email address. Which is a bummer, I can log into the samsung.com account with the same UN and PW but on my Tab I cannot log into the existing account, says wrong password but I know it is correct.
Now I need to set it all up again but so far I like it. Oh and browser text input and drop downs are much better so far.
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I have this issue & it drove me crazy. I gave up after a few attempts. It's retarded that you have to create a new account with a different email address.
RMXO said:
I have this issue & it drove me crazy. I gave up after a few attempts. It's retarded that you have to create a new account with a different email address.
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FYI I also had this issue but got around it by changing the password on my Samsung account on their website.
Is AllShare a part of the update or is there any sort of DLNA functionality?
emuneee said:
Is AllShare a part of the update or is there any sort of DLNA functionality?
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I remember using test build of touch wiz, they all had all share, I'm sure the final has it too
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
jackie_jagger said:
I remember using test build of touch wiz, they all had all share, I'm sure the final has it too
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Which version? I haven't seen it in any leaks for 7150
nakedninja42 said:
Which version? I haven't seen it in any leaks for 7150
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I had seen them at a local event, they were boasting about the all share capability, I forgot the build number but I'm certain the final build is way ahead to those I used (they lagged)
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
Is there a Print option in the browser, email, contacts, and gallery app now? Mobile Printing was listed as a feature with the update.
someone posted that TW has performance improvements?
Found a video able this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBLh9-RtyrM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I'm not taking any credit on this video, I just found it and thought I'd share
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
burhanistan said:
FYI I also had this issue but got around it by changing the password on my Samsung account on their website.
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I just did this and it worked as well. Funny thing is that I could sign into samsung.com but I could not sign into samsungdive.com. So reset PW on samsungdive.com and loged in and it worked. Then added samsung account with that email and PW and it worked. But it still shows that the samsung account is NOT syncing, just like it did before the TW update.
I reset my tab because when I first started it up at the even I was on my Evo 3g network and it was about to restore a ton of apps from gmarket so I stopped it. But since I stopped it for some reason my gmarket was NOT showing all of my apps. I tried deleting my google account and re-adding it but it did not give me the option to restore. After a reset I was able to do this and now have all my apps and see them in the market.
Does this update lock the bootloader?
tghockey07 said:
It's 3.1
Kernal Version
2.6.36.3
[email protected] #1
Build Number
HMJ37.UEKMB P7510UEKMB
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No more KFC build! Used to be HMJ37.XXXKFC P7510XXXKFC
That was the leaked version. I can't wait till someone pulls this and posts it!

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