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People w/ Froyo(HACK) and bugs

Just curiosity: Are people that are reporting "bugs" (though to me it sounds like apps that need to be updated for full compatibility with Froyo) running the OTA updated 2.2, or manually updated 2.2?
Edit: Changed name to Froyo(HACK) as recommended by someone since no one seems to be running a genuine OTA updated Froyo

Manually-updated using the official signed update from Google, for me. I don't have most of the bugs that have been reported here; the only one I'm currently aware of is that two applications I updated via the market this morning are no longer shown in the "Downloads" list, although they are labeled as "installed" when I search for them in the market. Other than that, no problems here.

crackness said:
Just curiosity: Are people that are reporting "bugs" (though to me it sounds like apps that need to be updated for full compatibility with Froyo) running the OTA updated 2.2, or manually updated 2.2?
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No one on the entirety of XDA has upgraded via the OTA update. Everyone hacked.
(The OTA was press-only for people who attended Google I/O.)

Paul22000 said:
No one on the entirety of XDA has upgraded via the OTA update. Everyone hacked.
(The OTA was press-only for people who attended Google I/O.)
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Ahhh.... I thought that was only speculation :/
/trying my hardest not to ***** and moan...

Paul22000 said:
No one on the entirety of XDA has upgraded via the OTA update. Everyone hacked.
(The OTA was press-only for people who attended Google I/O.)
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Exactly.. About time more people acknowledged this.

logger said:
Exactly.. About time more people acknowledged this.
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I understand what you're saying.
However Google have released an OTA update to the MEDIA!
They'll grab this with both hands and show how the NEW messiah has fallen over again and how we should have all bought iPhones.....
I do believe this Froyo is HIGHLY unpolished and very dissapointing. It should have been released when it was fully ready.
I'm desperately trying to get back to CM but it seems to have screwed my phone and I'm stuck........

wmm said:
Manually-updated using the official signed update from Google, for me. I don't have most of the bugs that have been reported here; the only one I'm currently aware of is that two applications I updated via the market this morning are no longer shown in the "Downloads" list, although they are labeled as "installed" when I search for them in the market. Other than that, no problems here.
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The market problem has a fix in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6572697#post6572697
google needs to provide an official fix for the issue so we don't have to use the hack one

punk4bc said:
The market problem has a fix in this thread...google needs to provide an official fix for the issue so we don't have to use the hack one
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yoo mean a hack for a hack
I think I'll just wait for the official Google OTA.
Good thing that people around here are chasing up all the last minute bugs for Google though. I am sure they would prefer to see them now rather than after releasing it to the general public.

logger said:
yoo mean a hack for a hack
I think I'll just wait for the official Google OTA.
Good thing that people around here are chasing up all the last minute bugs for Google though. I am sure they would prefer to see them now rather than after releasing it to the general public.
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good point lol
I'm waiting for the official Google too

Yeah I updated with Paul's version and I would have stayed on froyo but having annoying camera bugs.
I dont think Google meant this as an actual release since you Market isn't allowing protected apps etc with the froyo fingerprint. etc.
So i'm back on Cyan and all is well with the world.
I did however keep the newer radio to test it out.

It would be great if someone around here could change EVERY thread title that mentions this version to FROYOHACK so that once the real official one is released, we dont have to wade through all this pre-release BS. I know it is not possible but just thought.

What were your camera bugs?
I did Paul's too and mine worked 100%. Still have the new radio and according to speed tests it is doing better than the old one

punk4bc said:
What were your camera bugs?
I did Paul's too and mine worked 100%. Still have the new radio and according to speed tests it is doing better than the old one
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I've posted it in the general forum. QIK app didn't work and if you use the stock camera app and slide to the camcorder then BACK to the camera, N1 would crash.
I posted the logcat and it appears there are some incompatibilities somewhere deep. I tried every kind of wipe and 'band-aid' that I could to get it working and failed miserably.
But I figured since i'm on an AT&T N1 that this release wasn't intended for me and there must be some kind of subtle differences.
*shrug* we'll see.

wmm said:
Manually-updated using the official signed update from Google, for me. I don't have most of the bugs that have been reported here; the only one I'm currently aware of is that two applications I updated via the market this morning are no longer shown in the "Downloads" list, although they are labeled as "installed" when I search for them in the market. Other than that, no problems here.
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One thing I have learn is a app has a widget and it is moved to the sdcard it will show install but not show. I moved these to the phone and they show now.

logger said:
It would be great if someone around here could change EVERY thread title that mentions this version to FROYOHACK so that once the real official one is released, we dont have to wade through all this pre-release BS. I know it is not possible but just thought.
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Hey thanks MOD (or whoever did it) for renaming the thread. Excellent Job...

I don't know if it's a bug, but I can't find FM radio anywhere... and I believe it was announced.

logger said:
Hey thanks MOD (or whoever did it) for renaming the thread. Excellent Job...
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Hah, as OP, I changed it. I didn't realize (though I had read it somewhere else) that the only people who got the OTA update were press/developers who went to I/O.
FOR THOSE JUST READING NOW: According to Paul (and where ever else I read online), anyone else with Froyo updated manually, so take current issues with a grain of salt.
Deusdies said:
I don't know if it's a bug, but I can't find FM radio anywhere... and I believe it was announced.
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The FM radio stuff was never announced OFFICIALLY. I do remember it being something rumored, but I don't ever remember Google saying it was an addition to Froyo. AND, even if it was announced, read my reiteration above about no normal consumers having the Official OTA update to Froyo.

ibegary said:
I've posted it in the general forum. QIK app didn't work and if you use the stock camera app and slide to the camcorder then BACK to the camera, N1 would crash.
I posted the logcat and it appears there are some incompatibilities somewhere deep. I tried every kind of wipe and 'band-aid' that I could to get it working and failed miserably.
But I figured since i'm on an AT&T N1 that this release wasn't intended for me and there must be some kind of subtle differences.
*shrug* we'll see.
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I running Froyo on the AT&T Nexus on Telus here in Canada and so far I am having no issues, maybe some app that you installed is causing the crash...weird tho.

crackness said:
Hah, as OP, I changed it. I didn't realize (though I had read it somewhere else) that the only people who got the OTA update were press/developers who went to I/O.
FOR THOSE JUST READING NOW: According to Paul (and where ever else I read online), anyone else with Froyo updated manually, so take current issues with a grain of salt.
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Sort of ironic now, that people will avoid this thread in favour of ones without HACK in the title, as they will not want to accept that they have a hacked version on their device You cant win I guess.

Google updating apps in market

I noticed some of my Google apps had pending market updates.
Listen
Places Directory
Google Sky Map (New features include moving to SDCard for 2.2 users)
Hopefully this is a sign that Froyo is inching closer towards an official OTA release.

check a few of the android news sites and you'll find that the Korean n1 launch has been pushed back until "mid July" in order to be able to ship with 2.2 I/o 2.1
Looks like we got a bit to wait still in our "we will be pushing out 2.2 starting in the next coupe of weeks" BS.
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They didn't say "couple weeks". . .they were more vague with "coming weeks."

Take as long as you want Google
If people really want Froyo faster they should manually update instead of whining.

Take as long as you want Google
If people really want Froyo faster they should manually update instead of whining.
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I agree. Just wait. Seriously.
And google CAN take as long as they need because I'm holding the best phone I've ever had right now. Kudos

Without rooting, I cannot manually flash the test (FRF50) build, thus my craving for FroYo.
Dan

Enndr said:
check a few of the android news sites and you'll find that the Korean n1 launch has been pushed back until "mid July" in order to be able to ship with 2.2 I/o 2.1
Looks like we got a bit to wait still in our "we will be pushing out 2.2 starting in the next coupe of weeks" BS.
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I'm not sure the release of that phone is tied to our release of 2.2. They would need to have the final build done ahead of that phone's release to preload the OS, right?

dan1431 said:
Without rooting, I cannot manually flash the test (FRF50) build, thus my craving for FroYo.
Dan
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Of course you can, you don't need root to install the update

Lemim0uth said:
Of course you can, you don't need root to install the update
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You're most likely completely wrong. I'm sure he's already searched for ways to do that.
Hint: He probably doesn't have the T-Mobile version...

I'd prefer to wait a bit longer for the dev team to iron out all the bugs and errors before pushing out the official release. Well yeah Froyo is a nice improvement, but it's not like day and night differences to me so far I'm still comfortable with 2.1.

You can flash the update just fine. Only thing not working is aac playback in the music player as far as i know, other than that it's dandy.
The update is signed with the correct keys so no need for root.

Seanambers said:
You can flash the update just fine. Only thing not working is aac playback in the music player as far as i know, other than that it's dandy.
The update is signed with the correct keys so no need for root.
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Unless you have an AT&T compatible phone like the OP.

Epic update tomorrow 9/30/2010

Engadget is reporting that the update will come starting tomorrow with a 4 day rollout and will fix the 3g upload issues.

Can someone with more seniority post a link?
I'm too new to post the source link. Here's the quote though:
"Good news - an update will be released tomorrow 9/30. It will be rolled out over a 4 day period so not everyone will get it on day 1. I will have the standard MR information (fixes included, rollout schedule, etc) available tomorrow morning and will post it in a new featured thread."

Here is the link: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/29/sprint-epic-4g-update-coming-tomorrow-should-fix-3g-upload-iss/
I hope i dont have to add crap again to do this. If so i guess ill do it.

This is good and all...but is there any news of a 2.2 update? Coming from a nexus one, this phone seems severely crippled by it's software(or lack thereof).
I look forward to the update, but if it doesn't get better soon, I'm going to return it. I have 3 weeks left to return it...we'll see how the tmo g2 looks when it comes out...

No official word yet on Froyo, but the rumblings I've been hearing are either the end of September (so tomorrow or this update) according to support people in the UK, or the end of October according to support people in Spain. No support people in the US have said anything firm about Froyo.

InGeNeTiCs said:
This is good and all...but is there any news of a 2.2 update? Coming from a nexus one, this phone seems severely crippled by it's software(or lack thereof).
I look forward to the update, but if it doesn't get better soon, I'm going to return it. I have 3 weeks left to return it...we'll see how the tmo g2 looks when it comes out...
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I don't follow you. How is the Epic crippled just because it doesn't have Froyo? 2.2 is not going to change hardly anything... it's the exact same UI. Most apps dont allow for apps2SD yet, and Flash is underwhelming. The phone's already fast as ****. So, please tell us what you mean by your comment.

infamousjax said:
I don't follow you. How is the Epic crippled just because it doesn't have Froyo? 2.2 is not going to change hardly anything... it's the exact same UI. Most apps dont allow for apps2SD yet, and Flash is underwhelming. The phone's already fast as ****. So, please tell us what you mean by your comment.
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the phone lacks flash for one. to advertise the phone as a media powerhouse and i cant go to hulu, one of the largest free movie sites blows chunks. who wants to use the media hub and spend 12.95 per movie or even 3.99 to rent when i can order netflix and watch online. by the way you cant do that with the phone as well. i have 2 weeks left and as it stands i will be taking the phone back. i got the epic for personal use and i have an evo for work. the epic is faster and the screen is better but functionality wise the evo is better and i think it has to do with not being updated like the evo is.

so the evo is more functional just because it has flash? by the way, hulu blocks all mobile platforms, so even when 2.2 comes you won't be able to use it.

lcordero said:
the phone lacks flash for one. to advertise the phone as a media powerhouse and i cant go to hulu, one of the largest free movie sites blows chunks. who wants to use the media hub and spend 12.95 per movie or even 3.99 to rent when i can order netflix and watch online. by the way you cant do that with the phone as well. i have 2 weeks left and as it stands i will be taking the phone back. i got the epic for personal use and i have an evo for work. the epic is faster and the screen is better but functionality wise the evo is better and i think it has to do with not being updated like the evo is.
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Have you tried it with Skyfire?

itsmebryan said:
Have you tried it with Skyfire?
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Yes....no worky

Im more wanting the froyo update.
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Froyo's not a big update, I don't see what the fuss is about. It actually slowed down the browser speed (pinch zoom, etc) when it got pushed out to the Evo. I'm happy with how things are, personally.

infamousjax said:
Froyo's not a big update, I don't see what the fuss is about. It actually slowed down the browser speed (pinch zoom, etc) when it got pushed out to the Evo. I'm happy with how things are, personally.
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I agree, Froyo caused many more problems on my Evo than it fixed. Actually, other than flash (and even that is not all that) it didn't improve anything and it broke Pandora and others with LOUSY sound, it removed root and it removed RTSP. Since then, many of these things are possible to work around, but the bottom line is that in my opinion, Froyo is over hyped.

infamousjax said:
Froyo's not a big update, I don't see what the fuss is about. It actually slowed down the browser speed (pinch zoom, etc) when it got pushed out to the Evo. I'm happy with how things are, personally.
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I'm personally waiting for the Samsung music player which i'm assuming is gonna come out with 2.2.
FLAC + EQ is something I can't find in another music player.

brewdude said:
Yes....no worky
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I can confirm it doesn't work...
There was a way to get around it on one of the other forums for 2.2 and adobe flash. I don't remember how, and I'm sure by now, Hulu has patched it as they were patching exploits daily.

TheMostToys said:
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I agree, Froyo caused many more problems on my Evo than it fixed. Actually, other than flash (and even that is not all that) it didn't improve anything and it broke Pandora and others with LOUSY sound, it removed root and it removed RTSP. Since then, many of these things are possible to work around, but the bottom line is that in my opinion, Froyo is over hyped.
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I really only want it b/c we "think" TW3.0 will be with it... I want the EQ.

Why wouldn't you want the choice to have the latest OS?
JIT compiler and flash is enough for me to want it. If you don't want it just don't upgrade?

Official announcement and release notes
A sticky at Sprint's Community forum today has release notes:
9/30 - Samsung Epic Maintenance Release
Fixes:
WiFi standby battery drain
Amazon MP3 cannot download in 4G
Large emails lag in upload speeds
Increased 3G upload speeds
Update your software
1. The software will be automatically downloaded to your phone since this is a recommended update.
2. A System update screen will prompt the user to 'Install now' or 'Install later'.
If 'Install later' is selected, a reminder will be sent once or twice a day to install the update.
If 'Install now' is selected, the phone will power down and then reboot.
Important Notes:- This update will take approximately 7-8 minutes to download and 7-8 minutes to install.
- The new software version is: S700.0.5S.DI18
- This update is available OTA (over the air) and will be pushed to your device. It is being pushed in stages, beginning on 9/30 12:00AM EST, and will be rolled out to users over several days.
- Your device must be on software version DI07 to perform the update to DI18. If you are still on DG17 or DG27, a Sprint Service and Repair Center should be able to update your device to DI07. The update from DI07 to DI18 is not yet available to the Service and Repair Centers. As soon as it is, this post will be updated.
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maybe this is why we still dont have froyo...

First of all, I was going to hang on to my nexus until a hi Res display came along but my wife got a vibrant and I got one free, the point is I've only had it a few weeks and I wasn't following it too closely so I don't even know the original due date for froyo. But this is my 4th android so delays certainly don't surprise me. Anywa, as i understand it the SGS has the same specs as the galaxy tab, and apparently adobe flash is a "disaster" on the tab. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...e-tab-is-an-embarrassing-disaster-2010-11.DTL
So maybe adobe flash on the vibrant has needed special attention. At this rate however I would expect all able galaxy s owners to just buy the nexus s and simply remove themselves from samsung's incapable firmware update team's psychological abuse
I haven't heard complaints about the unofficial versions but maybe they are having trouble stabilizing flash enough for a stable official version such that we have flash working but other bugs exist, maybe getting those bugs ironed negatively affects flash? Or maybe I'm just trying make myself feel better through poor rationalization...

To Be Honest I've Been Running Froyo For A Little While Now And Flash Works Great For Me...
Granted I'm Not on It 24/7 And I'd Rather Use Mobile Sites Most Of The Time.
But When I Do Use Flash It Works Fine

Erickomen27 said:
To Be Honest I've Been Running Froyo For A Little While Now And Flash Works Great For Me...
Granted I'm Not on It 24/7 And I'd Rather Use Mobile Sites Most Of The Time.
But When I Do Use Flash It Works Fine
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Same here only I prefer the full sites and flash works great I've been watching movies streamed from the web and after two hours of non stop use still no problem
Still flashing

I had no problems with flash but I did set it to On-Demand because it lags up the scrolling. xvideo flash videos played with no problem.

But other countries have froyo already, we don't have froyo mostly because we have a modified GalaxyS, think about it like this, Nexus One would always get updates first because they were plain vanilla not modified (touchwiz or SenseUI). I hope I make sense.

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But other countries have froyo already, we don't have froyo mostly because we have a modified GalaxyS, think about it like this, Nexus One would always get updates first because they were plain vanilla not modified (touchwiz or SenseUI). I hope I make sense.
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Yeah I'm definitely reaching, I just start getting antsy when these firmware updates get delayed and we don't hear much from the responsible party/s. I feel like almost every firmware update I've ever received has been delayed, but ive always had HTC phones until now, is Motorola always behind as well?
Also, is froyo actually that late (I mean, I know its devastatingly late seeing as gingerbread will be out before we get it but as far as what vibrant owners were promised....)? What was the original due date?

If flash is always turned it will really have issues, but if your turned it on when you need it, it will work fine like watching videos, you just have to wait for about 10 seconds of loading then it will work fine.

i feel the same as OP =[

Another theory to why Froyo isn't officially out...
... is that they responsible party(s) decided to leak a froyo version first. Than let the developers here at XDA hammer out details, then recover it and put the fixes into their own version to make it better. Maybe that is why leaks comes out to us. So the manufacturers can get free alpha testers and fixes.

I honestly just uninstalled flash. It bogged down my phone too much. As soon as I got rid of it, my browser was back to being speedy.

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I honestly just uninstalled flash. It bogged down my phone too much. As soon as I got rid of it, my browser was back to being speedy.
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Why not just set flash to "on demand" in your browser? It won't load until you click on the flash content. Most browsers support that.

My phone's better with flash if I'm using the skyfire browser. It much faster than the stock.

You are aware that the Nexus S is also a Samsung phone right?

Yes Flash 10.1 does make the browser laggy and presumably consumes more battery due to being a system hog. I am using Obsidian V2 Froyo ROM. There could be work arounds, but it definitely needs optimization for mobile devices.
Now how does this only affect Galaxy S phones and not any other phone running froyo?

Honestly, I'm gonna be pissed if it turns out they held back 2.2 for ****ing *FLASH*.

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... is that they responsible party(s) decided to leak a froyo version first. Than let the developers here at XDA hammer out details, then recover it and put the fixes into their own version to make it better. Maybe that is why leaks comes out to us. So the manufacturers can get free alpha testers and fixes.
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Not in the slightest, at the most they watch over to listen for bugs. We got JI2 when they had already moved on to JI4/JI5 and then to JI6. Samsung doesn't work off of stuff here, the developers work off of what Samsung gives us.

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Yes Flash 10.1 does make the browser laggy and presumably consumes more battery due to being a system hog. I am using Obsidian V2 Froyo ROM. There could be work arounds, but it definitely needs optimization for mobile devices.
Now how does this only affect Galaxy S phones and not any other phone running froyo?
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Not sure but with apps now poppimg up statimg no support for galaxy s I think I shouls have steered clear of them and their hummingbird...
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2.3.2 lots of problems

I update my SGS I9000 two days ago to JV1 and so far there are only but problems. For example low ram, quick temp rising, slow loading time, lots of lags, and have removed the battery more than 20 times to make it work and a couple of non-booting problems...

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thanks man didnt know that (should have noticed though)

You do understand it is BETA right? alot of people do not understand this.... it means its in a testing stage and from posts 2.3.2 is at a very early stage.

No **** you have problems! Did you read the information accompanying the firmware leak? It clearly indicated that it was a early BETA firmware that will have issues.

Try webstar1 rom. Stable and smooth.
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Have you tried to reinstall and factory reset? I installed JV1 and it's great. Fast and smooth.

this leaked version of gingerbread must be labeled as "test only" version.
you better wait for the final 2.3

obviously its a beta firmware, i reverted back to XWJS5. cannot stand the lags and hangs.
ps. u dont need to take out the battery, just press and hold the power button until it restart.

Beta .....

stop complaining dude. Its just a beta. i flashed it, experienced it, had some issues, flashed back to JS5 quietly. Thats it
And for ur satisfaction, yes there were heating issues. Thats the only reason y i switched back to JS5 otherwise i didnt had lag or any such other issue

The lag is because this ROM does not kill processes to free RAM as agreesively as the others. Go to the RAM tab on program monitor and do it yourself.
I've been running this ROM for 4 days and I don't see it so beta, I've seen cooked ROMs much worse than this. Most of the issues (swype, RAM management, Samsung apps not showing), have solutions that let's hope will be on the official version.
I don't mind if Samsung developers read this forum and use us as beta testers. This ROM could end being very good if they correct some stupid bugs and omissions.

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stop complaining dude. Its just a beta. i flashed it, experienced it, had some issues, flashed back to JS5 quietly. Thats it
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A good point was made though, Samfirmware should clearly differentiate between firmware which is possibly beta, and firmware which is considered stable enough by Samsung to officially release it. Even better, they should link to forums discussing each ROM (and compile the known issues).
That would allow people to choose the latest known-stable rom easier.

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Have you tried to reinstall and factory reset? I installed JV1 and it's great. Fast and smooth.
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are you joking?
this is a beta and full with bugs!
back 2 JS5 rom...

what bugs exactly?
with supercurio kernel all my apps working great, gps is even better (angry birds smooth and fast, web browser and flash as well)
with the same set of apps battery more or less the same as in doc 9.6.6
now testing jit in build.prop
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this beta release works great on my phone....the biggest problem is the market app...i have flashed with pit 512, checked repartition. first wipe data factory reset wipe cache and removed lagfix

Great?
2.3.2 beta is seriously slow, I'm waiting for a proper final release.
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similary fast with supercurio and ext4 as doc with tegrak kernel
no differences in ui speed feel (launcher pro, angry birds, etc)
edited build.prop for jit on and swype fix
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this leaked version of gingerbread must be labeled as "test only" version.
you better wait for the final 2.3
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Ha Ha here we go again, all Samsung firmware should be labeled as a "test only" version.
When we first got the phone and eclair ran like **** we excused it because it was a new device,
When the froyo leaks came and it ran like **** we excused it because it was beta.
When the official froyo came and it ran like **** we excused it because surely Samsung is just focusing on Gingerbread and that will be great.
Lets just call it like it is: Samsung does not know how to write a proper firmware for a mobile phone. Samsung's Gingerbread will suck hairy balls just like the roms before it

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Ha Ha here we go again, all Samsung firmware should be labeled as a "test only" version.
When we first got the phone and eclair ran like **** we excused it because it was a new device,
When the froyo leaks came and it ran like **** we excused it because it was beta.
When the official froyo came and it ran like **** we excused it because surely Samsung is just focusing on Gingerbread and that will be great.
Lets just call it like it is: Samsung does not know how to write a proper firmware for a mobile phone. Samsung's Gingerbread will suck hairy balls just like the roms before it
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Except that in my opinion, Froyo doesn't run like **** (GPS still does seem to drop out more than I'd like though when driving)..
They do need to differentiate between released, and unreleased firmwares though.