Dev Support - Epic 4G General

I have an Epic and and Evo. I must say it feels as if the dev support for the Epic is not as strong as it was for the Evo. I know the Epic was just released, but I was wondering if there was a different underlying issue why the Epic is slower on the uptake with the Dev community.
It makes me realize how much We/ I rely on the Devs to make great phones even better. To add to that, phone manufactures should be supportive and grateful when the phone the produce garnishes attention from the amazing Developer community.

No way to flash roms yet, thats why, once we get a recovery it will pick up.
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Will the epic have a great dev community

Will the epic have dev community like the evo or no
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How would anyone know that......
The only way anyone would know that is in time. You will need to watch the community grow.
ttieder said:
Will the epic have dev community like the evo or no
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Not sure if the EPIC 4G will have all on it's own, but I do see there is a lot of support for the Galaxy S series.. CDMA usually get less dev support than GSM devices, but that has been changing lately.
XDA used to cater mostly to HTC devices.. They have since expanded to different manufacturers.. And there is also the SDX Dev community...
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nope never. the devs are all working now for Sprint and are going to charge for their ROMs
Right now, what I can see, it looks like joeykrim and noobnl and a couple of others or so are cracking away at it. Most of the "action" seems to be happening over at sdx atm.
Unless some of the devs from the other galaxy s phones come over here and share the love, I think "we" might be on our own (so to speak). I saw a few placeholders for roms in the dev section. They might be doing stuff behind the scenes too.
Now I don't have too much free time on my hands. One thing I was pondering was if someone gathered the info from the other galaxy s phones and tried to determine what, if any, might be similarities under the hood. Like was rooting different, same or similar between models? The only apparent difference seems to be the epic has flash led and hardware keyboard. I don't know how much those two things could possibly change the structure of things (hardware and software) between all the models. I suspect there will be quite a few similarities after the dust settles.
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Not sure if the EPIC 4G will have all on it's own, but I do see there is a lot of support for the Galaxy S series.. CDMA usually get less dev support than GSM devices, but that has been changing lately.
XDA used to cater mostly to HTC devices.. They have since expanded to different manufacturers.. And there is also the SDX Dev community...
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They problem is that the epic cant use roms from the other sgs phones like the others can because of the camera, keyboard & touchwiz changes. The drivers are not fully released so I am unsure how porting roms to the epic would work out. I think the epic cant really depend on the other sgs phones for development.
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How would anyone know that......
The only way anyone would know that is in time. You will need to watch the community grow.
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I was asking because I was checking the other galaxy s forums and there dev support nowhere close to the evo. But u are right we will wait and see
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doubt it.. phone to fugly in my opinion.. just got back from sprint store... worse version of galaxy s ever ...
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doubt it.. phone to fugly in my opinion.. just got back from sprint store... worse version of galaxy s ever ...
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I agree with you 100%. I get 27% discount from work and that still could not get me to keep the epic for more then 1 day. I cant believe all the apps\features they left out that the others sgs phones have.
SDX is hard at work on it and the devs there, and some of the users/testers (me), are trying to keep both sides (XDA and SDX) informed on anything that happens on either side.
SDX is really a great community; I've been with them since I purchased my Moment. And it's only because of them that my phone was usable.
I expect that all the missing features and more will be added to the Epic before too long especially if both communities work together with no drama.
I know everyone loves custom roms, but what is it that we want to see from the dev community?
As much as I would love to see custom roms flying out of every orifice, I only loaded custom roms on my EVO to get it up to speed (fps hack, better performance, etc). Also to increase battery life... but it didn't seem to help THAT much.
I'm pretty content with my Epic. The everyday stuff I do on this phone already works perfectly. Games, movies, music, web browsing, camera, etc. It's nuts how fast it is, so I won't be needing to overclock. The only thing I want to see from the dev community right now is root+nand unlocked. I must have root access... it's killing me.

Sprint support vs EVO

I think its messed up that sprint gimped a lot of things on this phone whe its clearly capable to do more than the Evo. Imagine if we had the other galaxy s features, like 16gb ROM and tv out.
This phone would clearly outshine the Evo, but because of all the marketing behind the evo, sprint would lose money if everyone looked at the epic spec sheet (if it had 16gb and tv out, and 8 devices 4g tether) so they release a slightly gimped phone for $50 more so people would go to the evo. And because more people are using the evo, they capped the speeds on 3g for epic users to support he majority of evo users. Then a lilbit before they released the speedcap update to epics, dan hesse spoke about too much heavy data and might go to tiered plans.
I hate politics
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All these "gimps" you say, and the Epic is still better than the Evo.
Also, tiered plans would be for new subscribers only, as current subscribers would be grandfathered.
Also, the Fascinate and the Epic are the 2 with smaller internal storage, as the Fascinate only has 2gb, and the Epic has 498. The Vibrant and the Captivate both have 16gb.
The upload speed on 3G was NOT CAPPED. Like I say in every thread, Samsung just sucks at programming.
A_Flying_Fox said:
I think its messed up that sprint gimped a lot of things on this phone whe its clearly capable to do more than the Evo. Imagine if we had the other galaxy s features, like 16gb ROM and tv out.
This phone would clearly outshine the Evo, but because of all the marketing behind the evo, sprint would lose money if everyone looked at the epic spec sheet (if it had 16gb and tv out, and 8 devices 4g tether) so they release a slightly gimped phone for $50 more so people would go to the evo. And because more people are using the evo, they capped the speeds on 3g for epic users to support he majority of evo users. Then a lilbit before they released the speedcap update to epics, dan hesse spoke about too much heavy data and might go to tiered plans.
I hate politics
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The 16 gb of rom would of been awesome on the epic
I care less on the tv out and 8 devices tether
And the epic still beats the evo
Oh well all and all i still love my epic and i don't regret buying it.
ultra78721 said:
The 16 gb of rom would of been awesome on the epic
I care less on the tv out and 8 devices tether
And the epic still beats the evo
Oh well all and all i still love my epic and i don't regret buying it.
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I paid CASH for mine out of contract, and I still don't regret it.
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I paid CASH for mine out of contract, and I still don't regret it.
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Not exactly..just sold a few things I hadn't used in awhile to get the cash.
No no I wasn't geting at the epic! I love this phone. But I'm saying, the epic was clearly dumbed down by sprint to support the evo. I wish they would've kept the original specs+ keyboard and LEDflash so the average consumer would've picked up this phone which would garner more support and I don't need tv out, but I'm sure if this phone had all the originals, people would've bought this at a much better ratio to the evo :/ I love my epic though (minus the gps that failed to work the 3 times I needed it :/). Its just sprint could've done better instead of nip tucking the epic to support the evo
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So how is it in the best interest of sprint to gimp a phone on their own network to drive sales to a different device on their own network which costs less and has the same service fees? Maybe this is why they are doing so poorly, they have business plans thought up by 10 year olds.
It just doesn't make any sense. They intentionally "dumbed down" the epic to support the evo? Why?
A_Flying_Fox said:
I think its messed up that sprint gimped a lot of things on this phone whe its clearly capable to do more than the Evo. Imagine if we had the other galaxy s features, like 16gb ROM and tv out.
This phone would clearly outshine the Evo, but because of all the marketing behind the evo, sprint would lose money if everyone looked at the epic spec sheet (if it had 16gb and tv out, and 8 devices 4g tether) so they release a slightly gimped phone for $50 more so people would go to the evo. And because more people are using the evo, they capped the speeds on 3g for epic users to support he majority of evo users. Then a lilbit before they released the speedcap update to epics, dan hesse spoke about too much heavy data and might go to tiered plans.
I hate politics
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Being that I own both I want to remind you that the EVO came "gimped" as well. <30fps and at the time, and per HTC, it could NOT be fixed as it was hardware limited, bt issues, some have gps issues as well, HDMI out ONLY works for video/pix in certain apps etc., etc.. The fact of the matter is the the HTC community is much larger, and more active, than the the Samsung Epic community. The EVO community has knocked most of these issues out of the park one by one. Where we have a handful of people on xda working on the epic, cruise by the EVO dev board and you will see there are easily 5x the people working on issues/releases/new things. That being said I notice that a lot of other HTC phones cross over... so if the EVO community doesn't fix something, another HTC phone comes up with a fix that is easily adapted to the EVO.
I do not agree. The epic is the most feature rich galaxy s phone. The little things you mention are programming errors or samsung decisions.
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Where we have a handful of people on xda working on the epic, cruise by the EVO dev board and you will see there are easily 5x the people working on issues/releases/new things.
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I wish there were as many devs working on the Epic as there are on HTC devices. That being said, I'm extremely thankful (and we, as Epic owners, are very fortunate) to have the talent that we DO have working on our devices as well. We DO have some extremely talented devs in this section. I'm tickled to see devs that came over from SDX that were so involved with the Moment. That phone had several plagues and the devs as SDX were hard core devoted to it. Some of them still are, and some of them have come over to play in the Epic park.
Thanks to all the Epic devs that we have. You all are truly talented and I sincerely appreciate all the time/effort that you put in so that I can enjoy my device that much more.
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That being said I notice that a lot of other HTC phones cross over... so if the EVO community doesn't fix something, another HTC phone comes up with a fix that is easily adapted to the EVO.
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This has been the case for quite some time. I remember the TP2 was very similar. Devs were always taking features/tweaks/fixes from one device and making it work on the TP2 because we 'had to have it'..
I believe the Galaxy S phones will cross over as well eventually. We're at a slight disadvantage though in that regard as there are a whole slew of HTC devices that are similar and we only have 4 or 5 Galaxy S phones..
Either way, I'm thankful for the talented devs that we DO have working on these phones. And you never know, some of the HTC devs might just get tired of working on HTC's and wanna come play with something that's Epic
I am much happier with the epic than the G1 or the Moment that I had before. I don't thiink sprint is using this to boost sales of the evo. they are doing fine advertising the evo without the "sales" from people who don't want the epic.
The epic has better specs than the evo first off -- talking hardware. HTC has been in the game longer than sammy and as it as said earlier, the samsung programming team could use some help.
Our phones are open sourced, if someone is not happpy with something CHANGE it. Go to barnes and nobles and get a f****n programming book and do sometthing.
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It is kinda funny that sprint is still having those stupid "first" commercials regarding the evo. We got it already sprint. Now advertise the second and ......
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smeyerhuky said:
I am much happier with the epic than the G1 or the Moment that I had before. I don't thiink sprint is using this to boost sales of the evo. they are doing fine advertising the evo without the "sales" from people who don't want the epic.
The epic has better specs than the evo first off -- talking hardware. HTC has been in the game longer than sammy and as it as said earlier, the samsung programming team could use some help.
Our phones are open sourced, if someone is not happpy with something CHANGE it. Go to barnes and nobles and get a f****n programming book and do sometthing.
Lastly,
It is kinda funny that sprint is still having those stupid "first" commercials regarding the evo. We got it already sprint. Now advertise the second and ......
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Damn this sounds bitcy, sorry. Slept very little last night. I mean eerything I just mean to sound like less of a tol saying it.
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Did they cut down on some features out of box? yes..but its 100% does not have anything to do with the EVO..sprint doesn't make more or less money with whichever device you choose...so why would they go out of their way to do it?
But they do need to advertise Epic more...I mean I see commercials with Instincts on them and they don't even have them in stock...talk about wasting money...
The Epic's smaller internal flash wasn't a gimp... we got better flash than the the others did. The Vibrant and Captivate have the equivalent of a hardwired microSD card (SLOW). We have real, parallel-interfaced flash.
AT&T and T-Mobile went for big-number bling. Sprint listened to the engineers.
Personally, I think the Epic is off to a slow start against the Evo, but will ultimately win the marathon by virtue of being more maintainable by end users over the long run. Evo owners basically have to depend on hardware similarities with the Nexus One to get any kind of independent driver support. Samsung built the kernel using proper loadable kernel modules. The Evo's kernel is easier to remix today; our kernel is easier to blow away and build from scratch tomorrow.
Now... Samsung/Sprint DID totally gimp the Epic's keyboard by using large flat keycaps. They should have kept the pitch, but made the keycaps half as tall and wide. Or rounded them to make it easier to press the centers without pressing adjacent keys. They sacrificed genuine usability for the sake of making it thin and pretty in pictures.
I had the Evo, and moved to the Epic, and don't regret it at all. I miss some things(I loved Fresh Roms on the Evo) but I love the screen colors and brightness on the Epic and I think the camera is better. Once it gets 2.2, I think the Epic is a better choice.
Plus I love the Gorilla Glass(no screen prot needed), the better rear camera(no easy scratches) and the keyboard if I need to type out a lot of things(still use SwiftKey or Swype more than the hardware keyboard).
i do notice favor showed to evo though

Evo still king?

So I was browsing the forums yesterday eating leftover christmas food. I literally spent some time on diff development sections and noticed the EVO has an AMAZING community. I am an epic 4g owner and can't help but admire the amount of development, the bountys to get certain feautures and roms going.
There are also many other popular devices like the i9000, nexus one, g2. MY question is, what is the most popular phone with the most active DEVELOPMENT on XDA? Is it EVO? NEXUS? Who is the king of the hill?
Also, what phone is the successor in terms of development is it nexus s?g2?
the evo has a pretty deep community, in my opinion one of the best, i would also say that the motorola phones have good support and both nexus phones will continue to have very strong support. You can't go wrong with an evo in terms of the community and yes i have heard the epic has very scarce pickings
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So I was browsing the forums yesterday eating leftover christmas food. I literally spent some time on diff development sections and noticed the EVO has an AMAZING community. I am an epic 4g owner and can't help but admire the amount of development, the bountys to get certain feautures and roms going.
There are also many other popular devices like the i9000, nexus one, g2. MY question is, what is the most popular phone with the most active DEVELOPMENT on XDA? Is it EVO? NEXUS? Who is the king of the hill?
Also, what phone is the successor in terms of development is it nexus s?g2?
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Go check out the CDMA hero. It still has an incredible amount of dev support for being a "legacy" device. I chose the Evo over the epic essentially for the community here. I had a couple of bad experiences over in the epic subforum and decided that was enough.
I own an EVO 4g, and I absolutely love it, I never turn off my phone, has long lasting batteries, and fosure runs great with the custom ROMs and kernels we have here from XDA.
If you get an EVO, make sure your absolutely setting time aside for your new EVO as it can be devastating not to correctly root your EVO the right way. Good luck.
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I own an EVO 4g, and I absolutely love it, I never turn off my phone, has long lasting batteries, and fosure runs great with the custom ROMs and kernels we have here from XDA.
If you get an EVO, make sure your absolutely setting time aside for your new EVO as it can be devastating not to correctly root your EVO the right way. Good luck.
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Yea, I really want to be on a device that people actually care about not just having the best hardware
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i can't speak for any other phones in regards to that, but i can tell you the evo has that, plus some trolls thrown in for good measure. you know you have arrived when you get trolls
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Yea, I really want to be on a device that people actually care about not just having the best hardware
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king is a strong word, but I think its one of the more preferred android devices just because of the potential power it has with the hardware, also it has a very strong community backing both on xda and devs websites. Not to mention the sprint network was rated #2 with consumer reports even beating out Verizon in some aspects. I know when the time comes to choose a new phone I want to make sure cyanogen has roms for it because I love CM!!!
To answer your question, I'd say it's fairly tied up between the EVO and Nexus One... Maybe even the Droid coming in a close third place.
I had an Epic 4G, I was impatient and went out and bought one the day they came out....ANYWAY....I then took my Epic back because it was a lemon....I had the Hero before my Epic and I knew the community was awesome for HTC Devices and I remember using Flipz ROM's on my Hero and remembered he went to the Evo so I returned my Epic, much to the dismay and whining of the Radioshack employees. I then went to a Sprint store a week later and got luck they had an Evo. I havent looked back since!
Having been new to android, at the time of puchase of my Evo, I feel lucky to have chosen a device that has garnered such significant support n the development community. I got my Evo on day one solely on the fact that I knew this would be the best phone ever to touch the sprint network. With all the benifits of the Epic (hummingbird, amoled, & cam), having the likes of toast, cyanogen, caulkin, flip, myn, netchry, shinzul and all the other devs responsible for the awesome romz, kernals and themes make the Evo (and other similarly supported devices) king in the mobile world. I will base all my future mobile device purchases (phones & tablets) on whether they have similar support. I'd suggest everyone else do the same!
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Despite the technological advances of other devices....there has yet to be a device that has 4G, HDMI, a 4.3in screen, a large dev community, front facing cam, 720p recording, kickstand and the great build quality that the Evo has....so in my opinion yes the evo is still king...android 2.3 means nothing when u have devs that can port it over in a matter of hours....
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These are all of the reasons that Im looking forward to getting rid of my galaxy s and grabbing an evo.
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These are all of the reasons that Im looking forward to getting rid of my galaxy s and grabbing an evo.
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Really? With the Nexus S coming up, the Galaxy S devices should be getting more dev work.
And I wish I could go to a Galaxy S phone. lol. I don't like the Evo's GPU.
True can't change that however there is a great community and some pretty sweet software to run on her though
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Really? With the Nexus S coming up, the Galaxy S devices should be getting more dev work.
And I wish I could go to a Galaxy S phone. lol. I don't like the Evo's GPU.
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I got a hold of a Nexus One about a week and a half ago. After messing around with it on XDA, if we're talking about the depth and especially quality of community support, the Nexus One wins.
Phone-wise the EVO would be the best if device IMO if not for the GPU weakness. All the features in the world just doesn't make up for something that's now so crucial for a smart phone. The EVO just came out at a bad time -- right at the end of the first gen Snapdragon. That's my own view, you might disagree so leave it at that.
I've just rooted my phone and had it since launch day. The Evo was running stock for 5 months and was getting bored w/ it. I was extremely intimidated of rooting till I found unrevoked 3. Thanks to the xda community, I've become infatuated w/ this phone and I'm constantly flashing it
I Just got my Evo this Christams eve. I used to be pretty deep into the Hero communty and was loving their roms and kernals (much respect to deca and darch). After moving to the Evo its almost overwhelming to see the size of the dev community here, and this is just one site! And yeah I understand that the only real weakness is the GPU buy Ive always known that the first gen snapdragons can still hold their own even today.
To be honest the only things I have trouble with is deciding whether or not to use my rubber case that I got with it. I want to protect it but I love the build quality of this device.
The Evo 4g will run strong as one of the top three Android phones for a least another 6 months. Thats almost certain.
I just got my evo four days ago and I am in heaven. I actualy made the jump to android using the samsung moment. I hated the device but loved android. So then I went back to my tp2. I have always loved my htc devices I have had in the past so when I found out target had the evos for 99 dollars last week I put my moment up on craigslist for 100 and sold it that afternoon. Went straight to target. I think after 4 days I am ready to root now.
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I'm an epic user former hero user. I will say the epic is a beautiful phone with awesome hardware. The specs are definitely above what the evo has to offer but I enjoy trying different roms, talking with the community and just doing thing to improve my phones and the epic doesn't have that. The epic community also isn't as nice and helpful as the HTC community is, not even close. So in saying that I am actually going to be trading my Epic with a friend that has an Evo. I'm sure I will miss somethings about the Epic but I won't miss Samsung jerking us on updates and the just plain nasty demeanor of the Epic community folks.
Only a matter of time before the Nexus S takes over in dev. support. =(

Are the best vibrant development days behind us?

I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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I kind of expected this. I love this phone, but if I really have to, I will trade it. I hope that CM7 is finished for the Vibrant, then everything would be fine.
Sent from Vibrant with CM7.
It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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Perfect way to put it. Couldn't agree more
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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Yup. Development may seem to be slowing but lets not forget that we have an whole other i9000 dev forum to choose ROMs from. Especially while they are mostly 2.2.1 ROMs. That'll prolly change (at least for a while) once all the i9000 devs abandon 2.2.1 for gingerbread.
Not every phone will have the lifespan of the g1, hd2, etc... But one can hope lol.
Even the Nexus One development is slowing down with only small updates to previous roms. Guess even their devs are moving.
Lucky me that I have a hd2.
Was considering getting one of those Hd2 for all the development around it but I can't help but feel like it would be a step down.
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
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I feel like that this is what we are lacking now. Eugene was a master and helped and had a hand in over half the roms on this forum. He was able to solve alot of problems that no one else can/could. I feel like without someone of this caliber spearheading the way, its almost impossible to keep development going strong and not baby steps.
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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not everyone can, :/ i'm stuck at vibrant for years.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Yes to an extent. There are alot of phones that are years old and still have development. I understand that they probably are not samsung and probably have all of the source code. But to me, it seems that this phone has not even reached the pinnacle of what it can do. Alot of roms (bionix exempt) are still trying to just get everything working a 100%. Having a phone really becomes a ton of fun when the development gets past just making it all work. It's really a shame if this will never be possible because of samsungs code.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Being that the vibrant was a high end phone when it was released, it still stands up to alot of the newer phones. To leave this phone behind just because it's getting "old" (less than a year is old for cell phone nowadays = bull****), is stupid.
Maybe devs should spend some time porting the Nexus S APIs so as to provide a good base for future roms.
And in the end, I have to admit that if you want fast updates, go Windows Phone, or IOS if you are really desperate.
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I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
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Thats a different way of looking at it master, interesting.
While I somewhat agree with this thread, I'd say give the other devs some time, like maybe a month and see what they come up with, we might get a Gingerbread port or a leak from GS4G. Team Whiskey and EDT will surely come up with something I believe.
Also, I don't understand the craze about HD2, it was a great phone in its time, now if you want ROMS and active dev section, probably better to get Nexus S or wait for Optimus 3D I am sure it'll be sold like hot cakes when it comes out.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
All is well!
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Hell yeah! Let's hear it for us old farts! I've been on the web since Windows 95. A very scary thought. I actually started with a commodore 64 and it's Gigantic floppy disk drive. When I look back at those days, the worst rom on here is blazing fast and bug free!
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[Q] Looking for NS4G info

Currently on an EVO 4g trying to decide if I want the Evo 3d, Moto Photon, NS4G, or stay on my Evo 4g and wait to see if the next Nexus comes in the upcoming months to Sprint.
My question to the members here, what is the NS4G community base like? Man NS4g users and devs out there? My hesitation is that the phone may have been passed up by many for the upcoming "super phones" resulting in less of a community = less community dev work for the device.
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For the nexus s 4 g we got miui and cm7. There are also some cm7/aosp based roms as well. We also got Trinity kernel and also netarchy. Honestly we got all the big names it just may seem like we have a little amount of roms. As for if you should get it, it's all up to you. I for one will only use a nexus product, I'm too attached to aosp to go use sense or touchwiz. But I heard the sgs2 might be coming out soon, that device is wow.
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Seems like there is a great community here. If you coming from a EVO 4g you might want to stick with another phone like EVO 3D. The Nexus S 4G comes very bland. However you can customize it very easy. You have to be better than a advanced user to stick the NEXUS S 4G. As far as something like touchwiz, there is a mod.. Touchwiz needs alot of work to be done to have it completely ported over. People in this community seem more concerned with other things and have a bad taste for something like touchwiz.
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Currently on an EVO 4g trying to decide if I want the Evo 3d, Moto Photon, NS4G, or stay on my Evo 4g and wait to see if the next Nexus comes in the upcoming months to Sprint.
My question to the members here, what is the NS4G community base like? Man NS4g users and devs out there? My hesitation is that the phone may have been passed up by many for the upcoming "super phones" resulting in less of a community = less community dev work for the device.
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Thank you for the replies, they have helped but still not sure which way I am going to go.
Been looking at the benchmarks and see they are fairly even, some say the adreno is better, others say the 540 is better.
I had horrible luck with CM7 on my original Evo, while other AOSP roms ran like a dream. Leads me to wonder how AOSP will be on the 3d. But with Ice cream comes dual core support and I would assume the 3d at that point would pull ahead of the NS4g in performance, making it more future proof for me over the next 2 years.
Anyways, thank you for the responses.
Is the miui bugfree for the nexus s 4g yet? Ive still yet to root my phone lol, been waiting on miui to be stable...
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Is the miui bugfree for the nexus s 4g yet? Ive still yet to root my phone lol, been waiting on miui to be stable...
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MIUI, Salvage Mod, Ultimate Droid, and VaelPak AOSP preview were the most stable AOSP roms I ran on my Evo.
Now, each have their own issues, but they were stable and responsive. One thing that seems to be a mess across all of them is a less than stellar wifi signal compared to when running Sense, yet another thing that makes me worried about going with eh 3d, it's horribly annoying on the Evo 4g.
How "future proof" would you say the NS4G is? Will hardware acceleration keep the phone capable for another 2 years yet? I also want to check out the 3d screen in sunlight, huge geocacher and the Evo was terrible in sunlight.
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MIUI, Salvage Mod, Ultimate Droid, and VaelPak AOSP preview were the most stable AOSP roms I ran on my Evo.
Now, each have their own issues, but they were stable and responsive. One thing that seems to be a mess across all of them is a less than stellar wifi signal compared to when running Sense, yet another thing that makes me worried about going with eh 3d, it's horribly annoying on the Evo 4g.
How "future proof" would you say the NS4G is? Will hardware acceleration keep the phone capable for another 2 years yet? I also want to check out the 3d screen in sunlight, huge geocacher and the Evo was terrible in sunlight.
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Can't speak for the Evo 3D but the NS4G is nothing short of fantastic in sunlight... YMMV though.
The NS4G will have more developer support most likely, performance isn't going to leave you hanging, however the Evo3D does win the specs war.
Future proof in what way? The hardware is going to be capable for years to come I imagine... software wise a Nexus phone is the definition of future proof. You will be getting updates directly from Google, likely for a very long time to come.
The Evo3D has more bells and whistles, while the NS is more of a enthusiasts phone for those that want pure Android, the latest updates, a large development scene, etc. Gotta pick your poison from there.
And honastly there alot orf "CUSTOM" sense roms for the evo that have the alot of the same tweaks with just different themes already mixed in. But to not to discredit anyone i cant make hide or hair of software
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