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I was sitting in a cafe yesterday in a shopping mall sipping coffee and using my Vario II to check my e-mail (messaging), get the sports results (PIE), look at some recent photos from a friend (mobile Flickr), and chat to my wife (Skype for PPC) - and I thought...wow!
Bill Gates was right when he said that we are disappointed in incremental change over the short term but long term change is amazing. My story would have been science fiction five years ago.
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I was sitting in a cafe yesterday in a shopping mall sipping coffee and using my Vario II to check my e-mail (messaging), get the sports results (PIE), look at some recent photos from a friend (mobile Flickr), and chat to my wife (Skype for PPC) - and I thought...wow!
Bill Gates was right when he said that we are disappointed in incremental change over the short term but long term change is amazing. My story would have been science fiction five years ago.
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I like your comment because it balances all the negative news we get on the forums. Of course folks are wanting help with their problems and this is an ideal place to get it. If you were to read all the posts you would form the impression the Hermes was a piece of junk with virtually nothing that works and in respect for those with some of the older poorer devices, yes there have been problems.
Thanks for the positive comment - like a breeze of fresh air!!
Mike
i would agree, while there are a few quirks with this phone that need to be ironed out, especially the poor battery life, but overall this really is an amazing device overall... give it a few months and we should be able to make this device more than amazing!
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Bill Gates was right when he said that we are disappointed in incremental change over the short term but long term change is amazing. My story would have been science fiction five years ago.
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Well...
Since 2000 I had been using a Psion 5mx. When this thing was connected to my Siemens S35i (via IR), I could dial-up to an internetprovider, and view websites and send/receive emails. The thing is, I don't consider myself to be a very early adopter.
Granted, it was very primitive: lining up the mobile and the 5mx, the connection was only 9600 bps, the display was 16 greyscales (32 greyscales if you were willing to have fewer battery life, ...).
(I know colleagues did similar stuff using their laptop + mobile)
The overall change is actually not as short term as it often appears to most people. But the improvements have been incredible in just a few years time, and most people fail to realize what technical marvel they are carrying.
(but every device, no matter how good it is, will always cause some frustration at one point )
Jörg
lovely little beast
I could further extend this discussion, with a real experience! Take for example last Friday.....
Yes! I am sitting at 8:00 am at the Syntagma square at the center of Athens(Greece), enjoying my cafe under the sunny sky of Athens and also enjoying free 4Mbps WiFi Internet, browsing with my TyTN and PIE a special electronic service that provides me with the press clippings related to my organisation.
Before leaving the cafe, I download news headers to my RSS application to read at the Metro (where there is no steady signal), just to exploit the 10 minutes, on the road to a meeting.
During the meeting, my boss calls for an issue, but my complete office is in my pocket (actually in my TyTN and its 2GB card!). No problem to answer e-mails, browse documents or powerpoints and provide immediate insight on the spot. Everything is always sync'd to my home and office PCs.
After finishing the meeting, and inputting all relevant meeting details and future reminders at a note on my TyTN, my push e-mail sends me an e-mail from my secretary, where she has included all phones/ people that called while I was away. I just copy+paste them to my calendar as tasks and no-one slips....
And the story goes on and on........ The best part (and one that I am the happiest about recently) is that while driving to meetings that are in places I don't know, I just put my TyTN on the car-holder, link it with bluetooth to a BT GPS and drive by the directions that this lady-voice gives me!
I have asked the GPS software to divert me to the closest branch of my bank for some ATM withdrawals, and after that and before entering any new meeting, I just finish a web-banking transaction with my TyTN, paying my electricity bill on the road.
Isn't it a lovely beast?
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I get a bit annoyed when people, looking at my phone, ask, "What is it?" or, "What does it do?"
Mainly because I really don't know where to start. My nice little story about the awesomness of this device is the following:
In my university class on financial institutions (banks) my group of 5 people was supposed to do a presentation on the financials of our bank. Four groups were presenting that day. Lucky us, we were picked to go last. Once the first group started, we realized that all of us forgot to do an introduction about the bank's history. I looked up Wikipedia on PIE, and wrote down a summary in MS Word on my device. We also realized that one of the Excell sheets I built for calculating fractons had wrong data. Lucky fo me, my TyTN can open and edit those as well. I fixed the problem, then spent a bit of extra time creating line graphs to show trends in various numbers over the years to show in a slideshow presentation, since apparently other people did too. All of this was done just in time, since I attached all these new files to an e-mail and hit send as I was getting up from my seat to go to the front of the class. The e-mail was sent to the teacher's laptop at the front of the class, which was connected to a projector. By the time we waked to the front, the e-mail arrived, we opened it, and were able to do our presentation. So, with the help of PIE/Wikipedia, Word, Excell, and e-mail on the fly (transfering as we are walking across the classroom) our project grade went from what would've been a C, to a perfect A
Hoping
Just bought myself the SPV M3100 (Trion etc..). am just hoping afetr a few weeks or couple of months of getting to grips with this peice of art i can enjoy the beauty that this phone is capable off.
p.s.. cant seem to put it down at the moment... and as i work for Orange UK i am currently waiting to go on a special tarrif that allows me 130MB internet download a month for £10. cant wait...
But for now... sorting out little tweaks, bits and bobs.... Patients is the key
bobbyelliott:
You know, in 1995 with my Psion Series 3a I was able to access CompuServe forums and e-mails, also Internet browsing (though there are people who believe that Internet was invited by Bill Gates!)... I had a very powerful word processor and shreadsheets there, lots of other productivity tools, also some games. I was able to write programs directly on that device, very good and useful programs... I had a good income selling them...
It didn't have a color display, so no photos. It had no enough storage space for such purposes either... But its 480x160 grayscale display without any backlight was clearly visible even in twighlight.
The amazing thing it that it had 512 kilobytes (yes, Kilobytes!) of RAM dynamically allocated for internal storage and to run programs. I also had a 4 megabytes flash card in it, and an external 3.5" floppy drive. It powered from two alkaline AA batteries, which I was changing every 2-3 months. It supported true pre-emptive multitasking, of course (not that "kind of" that was in Windows 95 those days!).
It didn't support firmware upgraing, and the firmware was in true ROM. It never required it though. It never required a hard reset during several years of use, and didn't require a software reset for an average user (developers are different, of course!).
I'd also like my current device to run at least a week from two alkaline batteries, have no memory leaks and to be bug-free (at least without really annoying bugs), and to see the screen content without a keypress, and being not afraid to drain the battery to 0 very fast... But it's non-science fiction during over five years already, and, probably, forever!
But what did you say, in general, is a real life for many people during past 10 years and even more, for those who know that Bill Gates is/was never first and best, but he always the last, unfortunatelly. He is great in winning the market, but he's nothing more.
I'd better have my current device Symbian/UIQ based, like my previous one (SE P800), but, unfortunatelly, they've lost this game once again.
I am impressed how powerful Pocket PC are and what they are going to be.
Soon you can run Windows XP from it and run your usual programs on it. Okay if this is an improvement in all points is another thing.
I had an Palm IIIe some years ago. That was nice to do some things. But i had to synchronize it with an extra cable to my PC. Before using an xda there where three devices: mobile phone, mp3 Player and pda. (i am a firefighter so there were 1 to 2 devices more in the time from change to analog to digital alarm, makes 4-5 devices to carry with me.)
I started just this year with an xda mini s and had all together in one device and even more (excepting the last two devices ;-) but i heard from people using sms alarm... ^^).
Its getting more and more like my home PC. Its amazing. I like it.
Okay there are bugs. But I can handle them. Maybe most wouldn't exist any more if the providers would release the newest AKU a bit earlier. I read somewhere feature Versions of WM have WindowsUpdate. An direct Update for the OS would be nice.
Before I changed from mini s to trion I read some really bad news about this device. And it sounded more worse than it actually is. The reason for this is maybe, that i am working with computers for years and i can handle many computer problems. If there is a problem an automated reaction follows solving it in some way. And in the last time i see more and more people with another background using such devices. From that point of view there where mobilephones with simple functions working everytime. And now they have a mini pc with problems like big pcs ;-)
Heads up.... I wonder what they say!
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Heads up.... I wonder what they say!
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I'd guess usual comparisons to the iPhone and thet the camera isn't amazing. They didn't actually say what phones they are going to review when the spoke about the segment on the show though. They did manage to do a reasonable review of the Nokia N95 and it won on features over the original iPhone. Only time will tell. At least it's not Jason doing the review. Just my honest opinion.
What day time and channel? I would be interested in looking at that...
Only 3 G's because it's not an iPhone or Android
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TECHNOLOGY: The Gadget Show
On: Five (105)
Date: Monday 15th February 2010 (starting in 6 days)
Time: 20:00 to 21:00 (1 hour long)
Consumer technology show presented by Jason Bradbury, Suzi Perry, Jon Bentley and Ortis Deley. Suzi and Jason compete to shoot rival pop music videos. Suzi teams up with Fightstar while Jason works with Har Mar Superstar. Elsewhere, Jon tests smartphones in Italy and Ortis heads to the Czech Republic to view the amazing Snow Glider. And the whole team gathers to assemble a Top Five list of the best mobile-phone apps available.
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+£50 they're going to down rate it simply because it uses WinMo, and say only that its "old, and not finger friendly", despite the first having no real relevance, and the second being near irrelevent too seeing as hardly anyone has that sort of problem with the HD2.
Fair play if they mark it down on random lag or crap keyboard though.
I like the Gadget Show but their tests are usually rubbish, I'm sure they are secretly sponsored by apple!! Even when iPhone looses all the tests they still say its better.
From what I saw at the end of last weeks show it looked like they had the HD2 up against the nexus one, but I do hope they bring the iPhone into the mix too.
I'm sure it will be the same old story, Win all the hardware tests, be the best device at most tasks, but will give it a crap rating cos the thicko's don't know how to use windows mobile!!
The Gadget show in the UK is the worst pile of drivel ever to grace our television screens.
It is a complete insult to intelligence and the only kind of people that watch it are those who want to know what objects are currently "cool"... unfortunately... the presenters of the show (and it is apparent the producers and researchers also) are completley clueless about ANY kind of tech.
The whole show ends up being a bit like the blind leading the blind.
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Gadget Show Lottery:
Guess how long it will take for any of the grinning ninnies presenting the show to mention the word 'Apple'
Score extra if there is a little bit of drool on their chins
Score even more if there is a visible disturbance in the trouser region
Last Week's Winner:
Mrs J.Froster from Newton Abbott, with a guess of 38 seconds. Mrs Froster wins the new iCar - identical to a real car only twice the size, entirely unusable and spectacularly unable to fulfill its basic purpose...but beautifully designed and specially marketed to hide the flaws. Available in white
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The Gadget show in the UK is the worst pile of drivel ever to grace our television screens.
It is a complete insult to intelligence and the only kind of people that watch it are those who want to know what objects are currently "cool"... unfortunately... the presenters of the show (and it is apparent the producers and researchers also) are completley clueless about ANY kind of tech.
The whole show ends up being a bit like the blind leading the blind.
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I think your being a little harsh but I do agree to a certain extent.
I still enjoy the show, but thats what its becoming "A Show" a bit like what happened with Top Gear, General sillyness with the odd bit of usefull information popping in now & then, it looks like this is whats happening to the Gadget Show too.
I still love Top Gear even though they don't review normal cars that much etc. But I love it as a Show.
Gustopher said:
Gadget Show Lottery:
Guess how long it will take for any of the grinning ninnies presenting the show to mention the word 'Apple'
Score extra if there is a little bit of drool on their chins
Score even more if there is a visible disturbance in the trouser region
Last Week's Winner:
Mrs J.Froster from Newton Abbott, with a guess of 38 seconds. Mrs Froster wins the new iCar - identical to a real car only twice the size, entirely unusable and spectacularly unable to fulfill its basic purpose...but beautifully designed and specially marketed to hide the flaws. Available in white
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LOL, Classic!! Top Marks!!
If you want to watch
http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/videos/jon-test/samrtphones
HD2 came out on top
just watched that crappy review.
the gadget show must think thats all people do with a smart phone is post tweets and take pictures. no real comparison about email integration, battery life, customization, ease of use, usability, speaker quality, call quality etc, etc, etc.
smartphones are not meant to be judged on how easily they integrate with your social networks, though its a nice feature when they do.
stop comparing to the iphone, it wasnt even reviewed and its not an iphone.
rubbish program that has the specially made steve jobs blinkers on.
Agreed, the review was the briefest things I've ever seen, didn't go indepth on any of the phones at all. He might as well have just covered how the phones felt in his pocket.
The phones covered in the review were: Motorola Milestone, HD2 & Nexus One.
I LOL'd when he described the Nexus One as Google's own phone
Jon Bentley is doing the review - friend of mine - the HD2 was on 1.43 firmware!
What I found particuarly amusing was that he liked the keyboard!! And when he was looking at the pictures he said they weren't bad but I could see some distinctive pink tinging!
BUT at least the HD2 beat the other phones quite clearly. Although did anyone else notice, they didn't actually answer the question that everyone wanted to know... is the HD2 better than the iphone At least he did add very quickly that the HD2 was superior to the iphone in terms of hardware which is really pretty much undeniable fact.
I just thought I'd share what the video is like from a Samsung Galaxy S2 when it's strapped to an RC plane... with duct tape!
Sorry about the noise from 1m 35s (the start of the whole flight), maybe next time I'll disable sound recording!
Maybe the first of many flights and whilst only done twice thus far, each time I put the phone in 'flight mode' I have to smile
eeek .. I cannot post video links Umm, 8 posts? ..
the link if anyone cares to see it is: [EDIT] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_V0VgMLXU
Here's a clickable link for the more lazy users here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_V0VgMLXU
Thanks D3 .. I've not got many posts as I spend more time reading than writing
BTW, what did you use to mount it to the plane? I'd be way too worried about it falling off to try something like this
EDIT: just read the rest of the first post
I guess I should spend less time writing and more time reading
Crazy bastard.My heart would be beating at an excess of 400 beats per minute if my phone was strapped on an RC plane flying high enough to trash my phone completely if it fell.
Although I reckon you'd be more worried about the plane in such a situation,eh?
Hahahahah, awesome! You sir are nucking futs! And for that, I thank you.
I was more worried about the phone actually .. and in hind sight, the plane was repaired once after it fell out of the sky and I still decided to strap my phone on... what was I thinking?!
Years ago, there was a video of a Nokia N93 strapped to a plane that fell off but survived! youtube.com watch?v=l_o-vxvaN6c [sorry... can't link yet!]
I consequently bought an n93 and after I lost that, an n93i, which I attached to a larger plane with rubber bands At the time, that was my 'current phone'..
he must trust his RC plane flying skills a lot
Where I want to take this:
Onboard sensor logging + HD video. It'd be nice to see the accel., etc sensor data for the flight... I tried a few, with varying success ... after sensor/flight tracking, wireless transmissions!
The possibilities truly are infinite!
You are NUTS.
But that's awesome. RC planes is something I want to get into eventually, mainly to experiment with stuff like the DiyDrones autopilots.
Too bad the BeagleBone doesn't have a video encoder... it would be perfect for airborne video if it did!
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You are NUTS.
But that's awesome. RC planes is something I want to get into eventually, mainly to experiment with stuff like the DiyDrones autopilots.
Too bad the BeagleBone doesn't have a video encoder... it would be perfect for airborne video if it did!
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You can buy some cheap planes these days and controllers. I looked into the DIY drone system and bought myself an Arduino, never used with RC and made a basic laser projector and a few other bits but not to it's potential. As I'd not even heard of the BeagleBoard, I briefly looked and it seems promising. The thing I'm ever so curious about is the Raspberry Pi...
I only ever wanted to film aerial photography but now I find myself seeing a few pieces of technology finally being hacked together. Options: Arduino + plane, Arduino + android + plane. One's smartphone could indeed, be a smart controller.
My phone has all sorts of sensors and records video, why not put that to good use, it's got datalogging, GPS, accelerometers, compass, it comes with a touchscreen interface and records video, I want to put it all to good use
If you are looking at easy DIY drone, you could start looking at the ArduPilot, and other variants. I think it caters for planes, helis, quadcopters and hexacopters... I think the later options are worthy aerial drones as they hover... and are quite stable... ArduIMU .. there are lots of free source code, etc available should you want to check it out.
I wonder if one of these could hold a Galaxy S II .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CR5y8qZf0Y
crazy man!
I have been somewhat following the whole Phonebloks and ARA scene, participating in the Dscout missions, and generally have to say that there is a lot of buzz and hype with very little meat behind it. The general populace is thinking legos, colors, fancy shmancy materials, and other appearance related nonsense. There seems to be very little technical content, and the majority of the crowd seems to be lured by key words such as "eco", "reusable", "repairable", "customizable" and so on.
Certainly, in terms of driving sales, this is good attention, something Motorola needs.
The downside, however, seems to be that people do not understand how things work, have no patience for it, and want things to "just work."
I highly doubt that this will be something that is user friendly out of the box.
The biggest misconception seems to be that you will be able to build anything you want out of this. If this idea is not curbed, this project will fail. People will become disappointed. Already they seem to think that they can have an espresso maker and a telescope added to the thing.
On top of it all, Motorola has a track record of taking good ideas and executing them poorly. Think Atrix lapdock.
So what is the clear mission of this project?
Ease of repair? That can already be done using current production methods. Look at the iPhone vs Galaxy series in terms of screen replacement. Its night and day.
Reusing parts? What could you reuse from an iPhone 4 when building a 5s? The headphone jack? Batteries die, radios, memory, sensors, processors, become old news by the time they hit the assembly line, and screens evolve at a fast pace.
There is no mention of a core device with expansion bays, the project seems to suggest you could swap all basic components on the fly. This is nonsense. Is it really worth taking steps back to make separate little bricks for Bluetooth, Wifi, NFC, GSM radio, etc., when current production methods can squeeze these into a single system-on-chip design at a fraction of the cost?
Imagine for a minute if Googorola took the Moto X approach to hardware: You log into your Motomaker account, and at checkout you pick your options. 3 choices of screen size, 3 choices of processors, 3 choices of storage capacity, an 8, 13, or 16 Mpix camera, 3 different battery capacities, cdma, gsm, or global radio, etc., then once you select your hardware, you customize the case colors, and you're done.
I know this rant is way into the TL;DR territory, but there are other factors to consider, perhaps profitability being paramount. Open source phone, with open source modules, etc. How will Motorola make $ on this? How long till knock off modules hit the market? What is the pricing scheme, etc.
I would love to get a serious discussion going, touching on some of the things I brought up.
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I wouldn't say they're doomed from the start but their social network app and stuff seems pretty gimmicky to me. I definitely think that modular phones are in the future but they need to spend more time talking about the actual hardware and open sourcing drivers and stuff instead of their weird Instagram clone in my opinion. I'm still staying optimistic if they don't do it someone else will.
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Nice idea, but people here at xda would have a nightmare with such a thing, meaning rom development for every and each component combination.......
Lets ask ourselves, when would it be appropriate or papamount to upgrade a hardware component of any of our phones now? The reasoning now is more like, 'it would be cool if we could'. I cant think of any necessary reason now for needing to change harware unless it needs repair. I believe necessity should be a starting point for this whole concept. Necessity often drives truly good design.
I personally think that this would be good because of the fact that technology advances at such a rapid pace that being able to upgrade your components when a better version comes out would be good. Obviously there would be some compatibility issues between some parts that would be unavoidable. It would be more for the person who wants the high end device. Take me for example, I have the S4 and I love it but next year when the S5 comes out it wouldn't be the latest and greatest and I can't upgrade for two years. I could love a Moto X but I don't wanna pay the off contract price for it. So I think this is the only time it would be good and efficient, not a huge game changer but a slight game changer.
Also about the knock off or cheap parts, if they have the drivers and protocols open source than it shouldn't be to big of an issue, not anymore than buying a knock off replacement screen. Still something to look out for when buying modules.
I think that the idea from Phoneblocks or Ara are really good but I think that the project will prospere
Project Ara.
Being a modular design, brings complications, but with those complications comes new opportunities in the hardware section as well as the software side of the development.
The metric is quite valid and tangible, even more so today, wth the manufacturing techniques available, this idea actually makes far more sense than feeding the giant a steady diet of the same old thing.
You save money if all you require is a modified version of the RF section, you install that block.
The same goes for the remainder of the phone, easy upgrading, no downtime, and lower overall cost for the entire market, not to mention the lowering of landfill garbage from dumped devices that could not be upgraded.
The engineering end of this is wonderful, I wish it arrived years ago. A 'Lego-Phone' you build and upgrade as you need to, no more buying an aircraft carrier, when all you require is a shuttle.
We can finally drive the market, provide for ourselves, push manufacturers in the direction we need them to head, instead of driving us with their own thoughts on what is necessary.
I don't use much in the way of media, so anything more than 720P is of little use, but I do appreciate an HDMI-type format screen.
The RF section is far more important to my needs, and of course, a micro-SD card slot.
I prefer a sensitive front end, high dynamic range, and a superbly augmented IP3(third intercept point) as a basis for my receiver design.
I have grown tired of matchbox quality RF systems, and when in poor signal areas, or in a heavily wooded area with sparse cell tower penetration, i prefer my phone have the ability to connect with a site even if the RSSI indicates no signal, at least a data channel should be able to 'hear' a short text message for help if sent.
If the phone can't hear well, it can't talk well, either.
Most subscribers assume that cell signals are routed through the power lines*!*
I have had customers that actually said this...But this is the basis of my most desired and important 'want', a solid RF system, receiver and transmitter section that works!
High density areas have few problems with dropped calls, if the site loading is low, but in rural areas, loading is not an issue, it's accessibility, and sites spaced 10 miles apart, can actually have users drop calls even near by, due to dense foliage or hilly/mountainous terrain, even though the tower is within eyesight, you still drop a call. This is where fresnel zones come into play, and where a good RF section makes the difference.
If you think rain kills RF signals, see my pic I just snapped from my door, of the trees filled with heavy snow!
Poorly designed RF systems can't decode signals properly, the B.E.R suffers, causing message failures, call time-outs as well as just lousy QOS due to noise, echoing, raspy speech processing and a host of other problems.
The memory subsystems are important, as well as the GPU and video systems, but you can still make a call if the video drops, not so much if the RF section dies.
We all have our own desires, as well as what is most important to our needs, but overall, i do believe that project Ara is a great step in the right direction for a change....Where the customer drive the market, not the manufacturers!
Now I don't know if you were aware, but Google only owns Motorola's Research Lab. The actual company was purchased by Lenovo a few weeks ago.
Besides, I sort feel the same way, because, besides the hubbub, it doesn't seem like a very user friendly process in my mind. That's why I think it feels like nothing more than a research project with a couple of news reporters locked inside their facilities.
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In the beginning, they will have to offer options in a controlled environment like one poster abive said. It will be similar to
1. CHOOSE YOUR PROCESSOR:
a. Good
b. Better
c. Best
Etc etc....
The first question probably will be "Choose Your Carrier". Then all of the module choices will be pre-screened to function together on that network.
Samsung Galaxy S4 "Fort Knox Edition"
Guys, believe in Google. They made a search engine wich is now the most used engine. They also made a very good browser, an operating system for mobiles, an online map wich has street view and many other good things. Why they couldn't make project ara?
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Guys, believe in Google. They made a search engine wich is now the most used engine. They also made a very good browser, an operating system for mobiles, an online map wich has street view and many other good things. Why they couldn't make project ara?
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Just making sure it wasnt a misinterpretation but google did not create android, Android Inc founded by andy rubin(correct me if im wrong) http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...e-phones/a-complete-history-of-android-470327
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Guys, believe in Google. They made a search engine wich is now the most used engine. They also made a very good browser, an operating system for mobiles, an online map wich has street view and many other good things. Why they couldn't make project ara?
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All those things you mention are software, that runs on high performance computers. What ARA requires is a total rethinking of the hardware and engineering of today's mobile phones.
Can any module be swapped for some other type of module? How do they interface? What bandwidth limitations do these interfaces introduce?
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All those things you mention are software, that runs on high performance computers. What ARA requires is a total rethinking of the hardware and engineering of today's mobile phones.
Can any module be swapped for some other type of module? How do they interface? What bandwidth limitations do these interfaces introduce?
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The ARA developers conference already answered most of this, so its possibility is not the question. Its availability and adaptability is the question. Will people flock to it or despise it?? Will it make people feel more in control?
If google can advertise this thing as something that gives people more power it will definitely catch on. Plus if Google is truly looking to start their own mobile network as rumoured, then they could start in that manner and make others envious to catch on.
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It's going to be a wait and see what happens on release thing I think. I don't personally don't think it's going to explode instantly onto the mobile scene but give it a year or two and hopefully it will start changing the game. With everything being open source it might pave the way for smaller companies to get into the handheld scene where they don't have the money or resources to develop full devices but can focus on just a single module. Much like the way of the custom pc market.
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It's going to be a wait and see what happens on release thing I think. I don't personally don't think it's going to explode instantly onto the mobile scene but give it a year or two and hopefully it will start changing the game. With everything being open source it might pave the way for smaller companies to get into the handheld scene where they don't have the money or resources to develop full devices but can focus on just a single module. Much like the way of the custom pc market.
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My sentiments exactly.
Koreans will really fight against this project. They won't be willing to loose the cellular market to Google. ARA has a lot of potential in developing countries, provided the prices for modules will be adequate. But yes, even with adequate pricetag such innovation will require a drastic change in marketing-infected minds of people.
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I hope it could work really well. I'd like to see the ability to transfer all the core modules from one endo 'frame' to another - SIM, WiFi, ROM, storage plus camera and perhaps CPU/RAM from a larger 'everyday' frame to a smaller 'night out' frame. I'd like an 'everyday' camera and a 'holiday' camera. I might carry a speaker module, but would swap it in against a torch module only for those occasions I'd need it. I'd carry spare battery modules and expect to see external chargers for them.
Didn't read the whole thread, but I'd say the whole "eco friendly" concept is BS from the beginning. People will start buying new components everytime they are out, thus generating MORE electric waste.
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Didn't read the whole thread, but I'd say the whole "eco friendly" concept is BS from the beginning. People will start buying new components everytime they are out, thus generating MORE electric waste.
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This is possible and a good point. I think they could counter this by placing some inherent value on modules so you could trade them in for cash or credit towards other modules.
I think this will work much better than trading in phones since all modules should work for all ara phones.
What you all need to remember is that the microcomputer revolution didn't really become a mass market phenomenon until the IBM PC arrived with its open "Industry Standard Architecture". This allowed the rapid emergence of third party expansion cards and other "PC compatible" hardware, and "PC clones". Not only did this accelerate the pace of technology development it also pushed prices down significantly. If IBM had not made the PC architecture both expandable and open, general purpose computing would have remained an expensive and specialised tool available only to business and the very rich. Imagine the effect that wouls have had on the development of the worldwide web a decade later.
If you are of the generation who grew up uaing laptops you may not have realised that modular technology is cheaper and more flexible, and it means longer hardware lifecycles.
Thought I would post this to the community for a light reading..
Behind the scenes the big money is gearing up for the takeover of the car console and one way to do this is via these systems.
If you haven't read how much "Here Maps" sold for the do a google search on it.. that and we already see cross interface information from Waze showing up in Google maps..
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/volvo-google-android-infotainment-polestar-2/
Interesting enough.. the banter had with another poster on "interaction" of these units while driving brings up the point of liability.
If a driver is using these systems and crashes and
a: kills someone
b: kills themselves..
c: hurts or maim
Then it could be argued that the units are at fault..
Of course this is wear motion sensors come into play in that the acknowledgement screen is presented and agreed that the driver is not the one controlling the screen..
Thus hands free kits on steering wheels should in theory get better.. ie maybe trackpads embedded into the steering wheel.. so it's controlled by feel like a mouse so no need for eyes off road..
Please note just theories here and shouldn't be be taken as "as driver shouldn't have a licence if they use this while driving type ultimatum. As it's a bigger discussion then that..
And another one..
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/01/t...ce-is-heating-up-and-will-be-won-in-software/
I am guessing that there are a few readers as most of us that have been early adopters are also interested in the code and tech behind the unit's we use..
As this last article states.. the space is only going to get hotter with this amount of money getting thrown at it.
Mind you that doesn't do anything for those poor bigger suffering from low quality mish mash of parts that are featured in these units we have got.
Hats off to those that tinker with the hardware and develop the roms.
Your making the world a better place for us plebs that are end users and don't have the knowledge or time and just want all our wishes in one little box to work..
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And another one..
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/01/t...ce-is-heating-up-and-will-be-won-in-software/
Mind you that doesn't do anything for those poor bigger suffering from low quality mish mash of parts that are featured in these units we have got.
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I've honestly started to wonder what it would take to design and build a higher quality unit. Everything about these Chinese units we're all using is terrible, non-ergonomic and buggy. From the glossy, cheap screens, to the power supplies that seem to cause most of the poor quality audio issues on the newer units…
I'd pay more for something better.
Yes, I think most of us here would.
As 30+ years ago I spent 2 weeks wages on getting the best system I could for the car back then..
LOL, Apprenticeship wages and that was a 45 hour week ..
When you think about it, most of us are using $1,000+ phones thus if and when there is consistency with this equipment then I am sure that is a price point that could be achieved.
Just need one of the majors to really have a go at it much like some have with the TV setup box's.
With luck, an extension of the Google Home devices into the car is on the way soon enough.
Understand at the moment that Android Auto is being perfected at the moment for this very day.