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16 Key OR 20 Key Version?

i am looking to buy the touch dual but wasn't sure if i should go for the 20 key version or the 16 key version,
anybody give any advice?

I've had both but prefer the 16 key version by far. It's difficult learning a new key layout for one handed input (qwerty) and having the 4 app/launcher/utility buttons is a big benefit over the 20 key version.
ptbag
Cojo

thanks for your opinion

this seems to be personal preference. i'm using a 20-key version and very happy with it, because having one button mapping to fewer letters makes it much faster to get to my desired word in t9 input and address book search. yet, surely need to pay some effort to get used to it. just for your reference.

I used 20Key with program "AE Button" to map some keys for different application so it can get both advantage into one phone.

Boris6 said:
I used 20Key with program "AE Button" to map some keys for different application so it can get both advantage into one phone.
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so did you manage to map any of the keyboard keys to other programs using AE Button or just the normal hardware buttons (camera, vol up, vol down)?

With the France SFR version, we have no choice 20 keys
My previous model was a Nokia NGage DQ, so jumping from phone keyboard like to computer keyboard like implies some time training.
But with the soft keyboard and the hard one we have the choice
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versus
just a little brain gymnastics

cojones said:
I've had both but prefer the 16 key version by far. It's difficult learning a new key layout for one handed input (qwerty) and having the 4 app/launcher/utility buttons is a big benefit over the 20 key version.
ptbag
Cojo
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Im looking at upgrading my wifes Nokia E65 to the Touch Dual.
Interesting point about the 16 v 20 key versions.
She likes to SMS so i guess that the 16 key with 4 app/launcher/utility buttons should suit her.
How many of you, use the software keyboard over the hardware keys?

four softkeys is that possible ???

hi there all
i have a question
everyone want a wm iphone but i like the phone for what it is
i use spb mobile shell and i dont need a iphone look
but what i like is four softkeys the two we already have + 2 more for email and sms.
is it possible for someone to create something like that ???
or is there already something like that ???
please help !!!

There are a couple button map software out there. The one I use is AEBPlus, its a commercial software that allows you to map a button to 4 different functions (one touch, two, three, hold). There are also some free software available that will perform a similiar function. A couple of them have been mentioned on the board.

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There are a couple button map software out there. The one I use is AEBPlus, its a commercial software that allows you to map a button to 4 different functions (one touch, two, three, hold). There are also some free software available that will perform a similiar function. A couple of them have been mentioned on the board.
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i use that already. but i would like to have more softbuttons so i can press one button for reading my sms.
i know there is also a today pluggin if you pres then you see also you're sms but want something you also see with iphone pluggins but then on the hole screen.what i want is at least one extra softbutton for my sms.
here is a picture off what i mean.
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is there nobody that can make something like that ???

this is the first reply/post iv ever made
i would also like to add extra soft keys, iv got a htc touch hd which i have remapped the bottons etc but i keep forgetting which app iv asigned to what i.e 2 presses on call end opens Point Ui, 3 presses opens spb mobile 'now'
but i also use a second today screen for things like rss feeds n news flash etc so i keep getting them mixed up.

Nice idea, an extra softkey (4 is too much I think) would come in handy

[REQ]Virtual Hardware G buttons

I was thinking about, as the subject, to an app who allow to map the g-sensor as an hardware button.
In some games, for example, where you can assign an action to a button, would great to incline the diamond and assign the action you need (L,R, Up & Down)
I don't know about how work has to be done, but imagine isn't too easy.

the problem is that the Diamond only has one button for personalize: large press in call botton
but other option is use a sensible area of screen how the squares touch pad in notebooks

It would just be a matter of a background process watching the G-Sensor and sending keystrokes via the keybd_event function to the foreground window/focused control. Good idea, and would be pretty easy, but I'm too busy.

I hardly doubt, that you can play with such controller
Like, stressing phone, and screaming at it, as you cannot progress the game
The most suitable is the semi-transparent on-screen controller, like in NES emulator

But withvirtual pad you can't push "Up+A" (per exemple) because WM dont accept "Dual Touch"
Sorry 4 my English...

I think that the game is playable... just find a GOOD algorithm to balance the sensitivity (not too inclined for a direction) and the directions (up, up-right, right, etc)
This is the usually iphone example
BTW think how many game with the emulators and, why not, at the "never seen touchxperience rom"... sending keystrokes (up, down, left, right) in the today screen, album.... to the ACTIVE WINDOW

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It would just be a matter of a background process watching the G-Sensor and sending keystrokes via the keybd_event function to the foreground window/focused control. Good idea, and would be pretty easy, but I'm too busy.
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Please find the time, I think a lot of people would be most appreciative, you've already done so much for the diamond community, c'mon Koush blag a day off work and sort it out! It would almost give us vuflo!

Ok I have began writing this application like an hour ago.
I will keep you updated as soon as I have something usable. (the program works already, but I have to create some windows so you can configure it)

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Ok I have began writing this application like an hour ago.
I will keep you updated as soon as I have something usable. (the program works already, but I have to create some windows so you can configure it)
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Awesome, can't wait to try this out, thanks for taking this on.

WoW Great NEWS! but all those g-sens related apps can goes in conflict... make in mind to consider a function that auto-rotate the screen (and also the G-gestures)... two control panels like the "Brins0net ScreenRotator" to exclude the rotation of the screen & G-gestures, and the possibility to add windows in execution would be GREAT
...maybe now i'm asking too much BTW it will be THE ONLY NECESSARY G-app in background, for all diamond users.
(hemm should be considered also a screen lock, but is not too necessary)
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many thanks

I'm still working on about all those things...
Now is cup of coffee time
I will first of all end up the "VueFlo"-side of the app and make a first release, then I'll see for other functions like AutoRotation and the interaction between that and "VueFlo".
Just wait a little, I'm almost done with first release

What I'll Miss Most about my G2

Upgraded to a new phone last week. Since then it's just been sitting around in my backpack on WiFi getting emails and stuff. I'll probably still use it every once in awhile with the Game Gripper for portable gaming. And it'll be a solid backup up phone. But this is what I miss most...
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I just got an Samsung S3. And my constant thought is, "Man this is a big phone" and "I miss my keyboard". Oh well, I'll have to wait for them to make a sensible sized phone again.
I still have to two of em, so I think they may be turned into home automation controllers.

Now, I am using different smartphone and definitely I miss hw kb the most.

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Now, I am using different smartphone and definitely I miss hw kb the most.
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got an iphone 5 and a one S on my drawer, those are my backup phone.
I also have an S3, but with a broken screen, don't know if I will repair it soon.
Still use the DZ as business phone. Open lot of dwg and pdf drawing on it. music. watching olympic games, and of curse lot of calls.
Thanks to the battery door, since its my buisness phone = 2 batteries a day.

i refuse to move away from the G2/DZ just because I love/need/want the physical keyboard.
coming from Blackberries and the G1... a physical keyboard is just impossible to do without, for me, because most of the time, I have to type up emails on my phone and having the ability to feel the key press and buttons allows me to type faster and sometimes without looking down on the phone.

Definitely the hardware keyboard and the battery time. I didn't get 8 days on it (duuude), but I got 4.
I just moved on to a SGS2 and I refuse to get rid of my DZ.

Keyboard
The keyboard is surely what I miss the most.
Those bluttooth keyboard just can't give me the same feeling as my Desire Z(G2):crying:

[Q] Volume Button Position

I know it's unfixable, but anyone else find the position of the volume rocker buttons terrible? I constantly am pressing volume down with my right hand. Awful design flaw IMO.

I rate this phone high on everything so far except for the buttons. Holding in right hand on call is easier than left regarding accidental button presses as thumb bridges buttons. With left hand you have 2-3 moving fingers hovering.

For me is less about calls and more about EVERYTHING else... I'm hitting these damn buttons constantly! Could be a deal breaker which is super sad.

It's been a big annoyance for sure day one. Time will tell if I can adjust.

You'll adjust. I don't care for where they are. Personally I prefer the buttons higher and preferably on different sides. Especially with the power button being used significantly less now with the sensor.

I think the buttons being lower instead of 5.6" up the device is one of my favorite parts. Tough luck you don't dig it like I do.

I have learned (very quickly) that I can't hold the 6P like I did with my old phone. Since this is a big honkin' device, I've learned to hold it from the bottom, kind of like this...
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instead of the middle, like you normally would.
/Maybe it's just me, but it works!

Good Tpu case could help. I have the adaptive google case and it makes it harder to press them accidentally...

lp1527 said:
I know it's unfixable, but anyone else find the position of the volume rocker buttons terrible? I constantly am pressing volume down with my right hand. Awful design flaw IMO.
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I was hitting the power key for volume up. Odd layout indeed.

I thought it was a weird layout on the Motorola Nexus 6. You just start to get used to the layout and then it's not a big deal afterwards.