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I don't know what about you guys, but I think that our phone cannot "carry out" the load of the WM 6.5.
I have tried all the great ROM's up to now - indeed great improvement, but still not getting to the latest performance, stability as well as power consumer as the 6.1.
We need to admit that our Polaris does not meet the "Vista" of the mobile requirement - and frankly, it is not expected to be like that.
From my point of view, we need to focus over the latest WM6.1 but to update it always with the latest application available in the market.
No other choice but to wait for WM7, maybe it will be lighter and faster than the 6.5.
Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process of exploring and testing new stuff itself, rather than by the results it may bring Than the idea of using slower, battery-hungrier, buggier WM 6.5 would not sound stupid.
I've tried both and I can understand what you're saying here, but then again you need to remember a lot of these cooks include lots of programs that a lot of people can do without (ie Remote desktop, MSN Money, etc...). Even if they're not running, the more free program memory you have on the device, the easier it is for it 'breathe'.
I remember updating my first HTC from 5.0 to 6.0 actually made it run faster on its OMAP 200mhz CPU. My second HTC upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1 also felt a bit faster, but not as much as 5.0 to 6.0.
6.5 undoubtedly is slower for me, I was using udk's 6.1 and now pcar's 6.5 (just for the record, they are BOTH VERY TALENTED cooks), but I think it's slower because as you said the device is reaching its limits with what the new OS's are offering.
A nice idea is if some people can maintain on the main forums a standardized benchmark of WM OS's on different devices, based on their naked version to compare as much as possible. I think when I have time I’ll benchmark the different ROM's offered for the Polaris and share with everyone.
On either case, you have to love this community & cooks for always breathing in new life to all our devices, I really encourage people to donate whatever to the site or cooks you are downloading from, it does help encourage them... at least show them some gratitude!
As for my next device, I believe the HD2 is for the first time a MAJOR upgrade for HTC devices with its snapdragon 1Ghz processor and increased RAM...I’ll probably keep the Polaris for at least another 6 months so that I can buy the HD2 at a less-premium price. I just hope the whole camera issue is fixed...they've always had problems with that - there's no point in having a 3MP camera if it has a really slow fps rate and can't get a proper focus on pics!
Well, that was my ramble!
Best regards,
Alan
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Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process itself, rather than by the results it may bring
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I agree on this - I was writing my post just as you posted yours. I'm using pcar's and no objections for me, although I believe a lite\naked version could help with the response rate of the device (it's not slow at all, but udk's was just REALLY fast).
I've already asked pcar for a LITE\NAKED version, but poor guy is already giving so much of his time developing the new ROMs as well as the support...i've never seen a cook so active and dedicated...probably the best quality in a cook as you have the confidance that he will work & solve all issues & improvements. But hopefully he will manage to offer a stripped-down version.
It's right! WM6.5 on Polaris is not for a daily usage. I'm so satisfied with 6.1-3lit3VIII.
Well, i do believe wm 6.5 is very good with all new features, but it's just too much for polaris to handle. The best option would be to have all improvements from 6.5 core(HSUPA f.e.) minus all that flashy menus and such.
Also, i cannot stand the way it wants me to use it(mainly fingers), I like my stylus, and i don't want to smudge it with my fingers. Why there isn't a option to let me choose how do i want to control it?
tl;dr make a naked version of 6.5
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DesertsStorm said:
Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process of exploring and testing new stuff itself, rather than by the results it may bring Than the idea of using slower, battery-hungrier, buggier WM 6.5 would not sound stupid.
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I agree with the concept of what you have written, however if we will be case specific, the 6.5 version is to "heavy" for our "not young" Polaris. up to WM6.1 (XP) the system could be optimize for very good performance, but since WM6.5 (Vista), the Mobile is consuming 30-40% power (why?) and the response display can be really feel on daily use.
I don't think that this is compare to win98 - it is relative to XP that still continue to be use today, although the Win7 is out....
Mainly on the daily bases you don’t care which OS you have, as long as it runs fast and stable
100% correct
alanazar said:
I've tried both and I can understand what you're saying here, but then again you need to remember a lot of these cooks include lots of programs that a lot of people can do without (ie Remote desktop, MSN Money, etc...). Even if they're not running, the more free program memory you have on the device, the easier it is for it 'breathe'.
I remember updating my first HTC from 5.0 to 6.0 actually made it run faster on its OMAP 200mhz CPU. My second HTC upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1 also felt a bit faster, but not as much as 5.0 to 6.0.
6.5 undoubtedly is slower for me, I was using udk's 6.1 and now pcar's 6.5 (just for the record, they are BOTH VERY TALENTED cooks), but I think it's slower because as you said the device is reaching its limits with what the new OS's are offering.
A nice idea is if some people can maintain on the main forums a standardized benchmark of WM OS's on different devices, based on their naked version to compare as much as possible. I think when I have time I’ll benchmark the different ROM's offered for the Polaris and share with everyone.
On either case, you have to love this community & cooks for always breathing in new life to all our devices, I really encourage people to donate whatever to the site or cooks you are downloading from, it does help encourage them... at least show them some gratitude!
As for my next device, I believe the HD2 is for the first time a MAJOR upgrade for HTC devices with its snapdragon 1Ghz processor and increased RAM...I’ll probably keep the Polaris for at least another 6 months so that I can buy the HD2 at a less-premium price. I just hope the whole camera issue is fixed...they've always had problems with that - there's no point in having a 3MP camera if it has a really slow fps rate and can't get a proper focus on pics!
Agree with every single word, I have nothing to say about the great and huge cookers and there very good work, I just wanted to "heads up" people to re-think again about the current HW Vs the New OS - sometimes, it doesn't work well not meter what you are going to do...
By the way, this is why there is new 1 GHz CPU
Probably I'll stay with the latest 6.1 version up to the time I'll replace my mobile.
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Im using PCarvalho latest build 23053 and i have almost no complains...its fast and battery is normal as in 6.1.all i do is run cleanram twice a day.
Sometimes it does freeze and i have to soft reset but not often enough to piss me off,and theres a problem with scrolling big lists in file explorer.
I agree with Yinnon-I also tried 6.5 (Costas early version wich was great),but I saw that the performance in 6.1 is better and got back to M-Amine 6.1-till I buys my new device.
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Mainly on the daily bases you don’t care which OS you have, as long as it runs fast and stable
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Oh, I do!!! I so MUCH do!! Remember those Win 98 times when you would loose all your work and were forced to reboot just because any inserted corrupt floppy disk or media player that stopped responding would DEFINITELY result in BSOD??? And it didn't matter for me back then that my PC would run like 50% slower with Win2000 because I knew stability and reliability is sometimes more important than speed.
As to the features of WM6.5 I'll repeat that in day-to-day use (like 3 weeks since I've installed pcarvalho's latest ROM) I don't see any major performance problems on my Polaris whatsoever. Battery life is shorter, that's it. Media or GPS software, M2D v.2.0, Camera, 2G calls, you name it - everything runs good and stable. Not rocket-fast, like on some naked 6.1 ROMs but I just don't care, cause 6.1 is a thing of past for me.
P.S. Wanna see some real problems with performance? Try installing 3D drivers and Touch Flo 3D
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Im using PCarvalho latest build 23053 and i have almost no complains...its fast and battery is normal as in 6.1.all i do is run cleanram twice a day.
Sometimes it does freeze and i have to soft reset but not often enough to piss me off,and theres a problem with scrolling big lists in file explorer.
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This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
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This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
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I'm just afraid to think using larger cache in Opera 9.7 in wm6.5...
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This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
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But of course its wrong to run clean ram twice a day! Oh my god! ... manually! Twice a day!!! I would just write a script to do that for me!
No, seriously, people thats for everyone personally to decide what to use and what ROM to cook (maybe those cooks are bored with 6.1 and had enough of it already - didn't you think about that? ) . But don't forget that if there is a problem, it doesn't mean the whole thing is bad and should be abandoned. Maybe you will find it more interesting to try to solve the problem.
I do not know... the polaris has four major drawbacks from my point of view: the camera should be better, it has no accelerometer, has no TV/music out mode and the technology of the screen is "primitive". For the rest I think the polaris was so well equiped that even now can resist hardware comparison with newer machines. After two years my polaris was stolen and I had to buy a new htc and after comparing I ended with another Polaris.
In my opinion, the big issue is about how many people are there developing software, drivers, roms, etc. People around has been able to install wm6.1, 6.5, android, unix, 3d drivers... it is only a matter of software and unfortunately, most of polaris users in xda have moved to newer devices.
Regarding your question I love naked versions: if you like pcarvalho try 21820 LT, I did not upgrade anymore after that version. You can also try mine Lite rom too, I think it is fast ... but it is just born I am a new to cooking. If you go for 6.1 naked I recommend swtos roms better than any other ones, even the one you mention (at least at the time I had it installed).
I personally would never go back to 6.1 and not even in another life to windows 6.0. I only feel bad about not discovering/daring custom roms before. For me 6.5 battery life is only noticeable when using gps outdoor in the mountain: 4 hours and my phone is dry, which is something you do not want to happen in the mountain, so I have learned to use the GPS only for finding my way when I have problems rather than recording all the way. WM 6.5 more than anything offers me thumb.friendly menus and scrolling. Polaris continues to offer me a good all-in-one choice. If you can live without high demanding UI (lots of things in memory and lots of scrolling and redrawing) I think 6.5 is still a bearable OS for our old Polaris. The difficult point becomes then how to strip the core wm6.5 from the fancy UI around it.
Let's wait for a com5 kitchen of for a naked pcarvalhos rom !!!
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I do not know... the polaris has four major drawbacks from my point of view: the camera should be better, it has no accelerometer, has no TV/music out mode and the technology of the screen is "primitive". For the rest I think the polaris was so well equiped that even now can resist hardware comparison with newer machines. After two years my polaris was stolen and I had to buy a new htc and after comparing I ended with another Polaris.
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I totally agree with you...not just with the Polaris but with most of the HTC devices, this is why HD2 is (FINALLY!) a leap in hardware advancements. Ofcourse it still lacks the TV-Out & not sure about the camera but hopefully the camera will be resolved with the LED lighting as it's the light-filter that slows the fps down. I just hope the next-gen devices see the same leaps in technology & power as opposed to small improvements here & there!
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In my opinion, the big issue is about how many people are there developing software, drivers, roms, etc. People around has been able to install wm6.1, 6.5, android, unix, 3d drivers... it is only a matter of software and unfortunately, most of polaris users in xda have moved to newer devices.
Regarding your question I love naked versions: if you like pcarvalho try 21820 LT, I did not upgrade anymore after that version. You can also try mine Lite rom too, I think it is fast ... but it is just born I am a new to cooking. If you go for 6.1 naked I recommend swtos roms better than any other ones, even the one you mention (at least at the time I had it installed).
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Exactly, my phone is reminding me of the days of the old pentium 1-2 & upgrading from Windows 95 to 98 to 2000, etc ...as long as the hardware can keep up performance-wise with the new software. We have an amazing community of cooks, testers, and users to keep the best coming, and while a lot of the earlier cooks left, thankfully we're still seeing some good talent coming on to the scene. And hopefully we'll be seeing more naked versions as well!
Eventually I think the polaris vs the new software generations will naturally push us to the newer\faster models with more hardware features to make the most out of... and this is before being dumped again by those cooks with more money hehe
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I personally would never go back to 6.1 and not even in another life to windows 6.0. I only feel bad about not discovering/daring custom roms before. For me 6.5 battery life is only noticeable when using gps outdoor in the mountain: 4 hours and my phone is dry, which is something you do not want to happen in the mountain, so I have learned to use the GPS only for finding my way when I have problems rather than recording all the way. WM 6.5 more than anything offers me thumb.friendly menus and scrolling. Polaris continues to offer me a good all-in-one choice. If you can live without high demanding UI (lots of things in memory and lots of scrolling and redrawing) I think 6.5 is still a bearable OS for our old Polaris. The difficult point becomes then how to strip the core wm6.5 from the fancy UI around it.
Let's wait for a com5 kitchen of for a naked pcarvalhos rom !!!
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I'm with you 100%. btw, regarding the battery & GPS, if you're running the GPS for 4 hours it's going to drain your battery regardless of the OS you're using. In that case for the mountains, consider getting a solar or AA battery-powered charger (should be just a few $).
Regarding 'com5', i've always wanted to ask what is com2, com3 etc... i searched the forums but it was hard to find the right post with those keywords...can someone please explain? Thanks!
Just my 2 cents. I came to Polaris after 3 unhappy days spent with Touch Pro (will not comment it at all) Only thing I dislike with Polaris is a yellowish color temperature of the screen. And thats it.
Wm6.5 is definitely not heavy for Polaris - unless you understand wm6.5 is all about Titanium and Honeycomb start menu. The problem is that cookers mostly post ROMs overloaded with various things that YOU might never need (and cannot edit). Try one of 6.5 kithens (Gullum's is excellent) and clear everything you don't need from it to see how fast wm6.5 can be. My Polaris has some 62 MB free with S2U2, Today Agenda, HTC Home (yep, usability over looks) and pTravel alarm running on homescreen (all cooked into ROM). It is faster compared to 3lite VI naked ROM I flashed to my brother's Polaris. (3lite VI ROM is mentioned only as example, and is one of the best and fastest 6.1 ROMs IMPO).
From my experience wm6.5 biggest advantage is in tweaked interface compared to 6.1 (for example finger friendly tree-dialogue menus, taskbar buttons on the bottom of the screen, finger friendly contacts and calendar apps etc.), with some other minor glitches of 6.1 resolved. Add to that fact that with recent builds you have visible changes between them and you can choose one according to your preferences - gives you something very promising and inevitable.
Hey guys,
don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the current stage of android on HD2.
What the guys here established so far is mindblowing, but still we are nowhere near the performance of a pure android phone like the HTC Desire.
Question is, is it possible, with a fully optimized kernel and the OS running in NAND to achieve the performance of a HTC Desire?
Having in mind, that we are basically talking about the very same hardware platform regarding cpu/gpu/ram:
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250
ATI/AMD Z430 GPU
576 MB of RAM.
So what do you guys think?
boba
I went to a sprint store with my HD2 running Darkstone's v5 and it seems to be just as fast as, if not faster than the Evo, so there's no reason to presume it wouldn't be the same for the Desire.
I think we will have to wait until
- we can flash android directly as ROM and not only boot it and have it running on a sdcard
- the full memory available can be used. Currently the amount of ram used by android is around 250 Mbyte as far as I know. So nearly a half of ram is unused at the moment.
I am very sure that we will have great performance mostly like on desire when these points are realized.
If I use a live wallpaper on my HD2, there are some stutters when I open the "all apps"-tab. With a static wall it is in fact as smooth as the desire I used for comparison.
But I guess the overall performance is still on a way lower level than it should be out of a fully utilized NAND
Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
when will an android ROM be available that runs from flash
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
I'm running Shub's Cyanogen and it already runs faster than my brother's Desire for the majority of tasks.
So yes.
@john00williams
how complex and risky is downloading a rar, extract it onto you SDcard, then running 1 exe file and waiting?! if after 10 mins you dont see android home screen, then you remove your battery to restart the phone and wait for new android build while using your old WM!!
you dont delete anything or remove anything.
how is that complex?? how??
also, fact that android is running from SD card only slows the bootup, while android itself is not visibly slower, cause WM is shut down completely and android is loaded into memory. for optimal usage you should have level 6 SD card anyway
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Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
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THANKYOU, I dont know why so many people are finding that hard to understand
john00williams said:
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
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Noone has any idea how long a full nand build will take, but I've read in a few places that a ETA is september...
All the devs are sharing their work as far as i can see.
there are 2 or 3 main builds now, the rest are older work...
Complex?
Get the right radio, rom, and put android on the root of your SD and run it.
Not complex at all, childs play infact.
the HD2 IS A GOOD phone. Just because you dont like winmo doesnt change that.
Maybe you should have researched a little before buying it...
If you wanted android, why the didn't you buy it?
to everyone else booting android on the hd2 is a bonus.
Please search before posting too, everything I just said has been said countless times
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it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
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Risky? It runs off the memory card, there is zero to little risk. Other than the phone heating up a little the phone being damaged is highly unlikely. And with SetCPU running mine doesn't heat up any more than it did under Windows Mobile when running intensive apps or services.
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i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
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You can tell you haven't tried out one of the recent Android builds. If I was asked to assign a percentage of usability to the Cyanogen build I'm using off my class 6 Samsung card it would be 95% and the few things which are still ropey aren't essential, or certainly not for me. I can live without full bluetooth support for example.
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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... and that makes sense definitly. It is much easier to fix issues by for example replacing a zimage file than flashing a new rom. Also we have the possibility to boot in wimo when problems occure. In my case I have four different android builds on my sdcard as I can not make a final decision which version to run yet. Some receive frequent updates, some don't.
So we should not see the lack of a nand rom too negative, its a great opportunity to fix most of the issues.
if only scrolling is smoother , all things willl be fine with me
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My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
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Likewise, I've not run Windows Mobile for about the same amount of time, even when people were getting issues with the early builds, I wasn't.
Windows Mobile for me is gone, even in its current state, it's far more usable than my stock HD2 ever was!
I'm still on Froyo1.0, I've not tried any of the Sense Builds out.
Phil
Ask any one a month ago how they liked the desire build they would have said its buggy and needs to be smoothed out. I have fixed every thing on my desire build (except 3g=working on it) but i have the energy rom now and 2.12 radio and runing the desire v5.7 biuld and let me tell you it is way faster than last month so sept. sounds great for the rest of the bugs to be sorted out so can the desire build run fast on the hd2 just like the born android desire? ill have to say yes
p.s. i cant say ill get rid of winmo all together thats kinda the reason i bought the phone booting into android is just one extra bonus
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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I have the htc incredible for my work phone. I am using a class 6 8gb sdcard, miri's rom, and darkstones hd2froyo. There is almost no difference between the phones. Less then 10% in speed. My incredible is stock however.
Will it be possible to put both android and winmo on nand in the future?
I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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add for that thet we have proper multitouch with no multitouch issues like one (desire , nexusone and incredible )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
What is special about this build?
- What is special about this build is that the entire Android O/S filesystem is stored in RAM before it is booted.
What does this mean?
- Well, RAM is faster than NAND(ROM) and SD Card which in turn will make the build superfast too! Very fast. Very very fast!
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THIS Build as some who have it on their phones will testify is by far and and away the fastest build to date in Android development there is no faster build that im aware of, i can never see myself going back to "normal" Android builds again and credit must go to Darkstone this is a massive advancement in Android technology, my question is though, isn't there other chefs who can cook builds similar to this?
Merry Xmas to you all
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Dude there's another thread for this:
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superram is amazing, but i cant seem to charge to 100% straight in android (witch annoys me).
other than that i have it fully functional.
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superram is amazing, but i cant seem to charge to 100% straight in android (witch annoys me).
other than that i have it fully functional.
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Have you tried charging fully in WM before switching to Android. This should solve your problem.
I like Sense.. i like sense alot.. Sense means beauty and comfort for me .. I would sacrifise a bit of smoothness for a lot of Sense.. thanks..
Few days ago I copied darkstone's RAM build 1.5 to second SD card just to test it. And I was blown away with its speed. Second boot lasted about 10sec. Difference in speed in compare to any other build I tried is huge. Scrolling through the pages, opening and closing apps.....and the lockscreen is very nice
But I got huge data drops, internet in my case was working very badly. Also like Laynee1 I miss some stuff from sence.
But in any case I think that this is the way for me to go. Waiting for further releases. MDJ's gingerbread RAM looks promising. As soon as GPS is working in it I am switching.
Darkstone's build is working flawless for me so far. No data drops whatsoever. People complain Quadrant scores aren't 2000+, but thats not where the speed is at. It's basically just faster load times, and snappyness.
Also, since I hate Sense, there's no problem there
like i once said, ram builds are like sportcars, fast, no luxury, no interior, naked, raw and pure.. sense builds are the bentleys beautifull, full of gimmicks, just comfort and luxury.. besides that, the ram builds are crazy fast at navigating on the phone, but graphics are still choppy, like there are display drivers missing..
I like sense too but you when you have builds as fast aas this it doesn't matter, no data drops here either very happy with the build indeed
greg17477 said:
like i once said, ram builds are like sportcars, fast, no luxury, no interior, naked, raw and pure.. sense builds are the bentleys beautifull, full of gimmicks, just comfort and luxury.. besides that, the ram builds are crazy fast at navigating on the phone, but graphics are still choppy, like there are display drivers missing..
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good description there mate
I really wish that some RAM version of CM builds could be made. They are very fast of regular SD. I can't imagine how fast it will run on RAM!
I tried Darkstones build and I really liked it, the only thing I missed from sense is the dialer.
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I really wish that some RAM version of CM builds could be made. They are very fast of regular SD. I can't imagine how fast it will run on RAM!
I tried Darkstones build and I really liked it, the only thing I missed from sense is the dialer.
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I dunno how good a Sense RAM build would be. Sense is huge and it will kinda fill HD2`s whole RAM memory. I need to have at least 150 MB free on my device for it to run smoothly, and somehow I think Sense would take more than that. Same goes for CM builds, way too loaded. The sport-car comparison previously mentioned is a good one, it`s like trying to add extra scrap parts to a car and expecting it to behave as smoothly as it used to before adding anything.
Besides, ADW Launcher has tons of skins (at least it has some interesting ones, worth checking out) and it`s wonderfully fast and stable.
Something which is completely off-topic but still bothers me: if they managed to run Android off the RAM memory, could they perhaps do the same with WP7? I`d really rofl to see the HD2 running WP7 smoother than the Mozart...
Super Ram Contacts...
Hi guys, ive been using Darkstones Super Ram, for a full two weeks now. Awesome!!! Question, with my gmail acount, i have all my contacts in groups. Why cant i see my contancts in groups? I need to message them for meetings and all that stuff, all in one shot. But i cant see this setting in my Phone. Can anyone help??
Thanks in advance.
a Quick Question,
how to get the Sense UI get to work on this Build? i been searching for ever, Everything else seems to be working So Far,
I have LaunchPro Plus Installed,
So if anyone can help me out, appreciated.
thanks
appan said:
a Quick Question,
how to get the Sense UI get to work on this Build? i been searching for ever, Everything else seems to be working So Far,
I have LaunchPro Plus Installed,
So if anyone can help me out, appreciated.
thanks
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Sense wasn't not included in the rom, it was based off of AdamG's Oxygen minimalistic rom. I don't think you would be able to put Sense over the SupperRAM.
I'm using LaunchPro Plus, and liking it, I miss the better sense widgets though...
Been using SupperRAM for only 2 days now, speed has been great.
I did notice some data drops more than usual. A reboot or toggling phone data on/off has helped this problem.
I'm extremly happy with this build have hardly experienced any data drops and it continues to whizz along at great speed, i actually don't miss sense that much to be honest, when a build is as fast as this for me personally that's the main thing, hoping to see other developers follow suit.
I tried the Super RAM build and I absolutely loved the speed. However, I would also like a Sense build with it (if possible) because then I would be able to sync my Outlook via HTC Sync. I need the sync with contacts and calendar between Outlook and HD2. While google has a program released to sync the calendar to gmail and from there to the phone, they are lacking in the contacts department...
anyone any ideas?
it's fast and has good battery life. those are the things I need the most from a build. i don't know why people torture themselves with the slowness of desire hd builds
duke911 said:
I really wish that some RAM version of CM builds could be made. They are very fast of regular SD. I can't imagine how fast it will run on RAM!
I tried Darkstones build and I really liked it, the only thing I missed from sense is the dialer.
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There is actually a ram version of CM build made. "HD2ONE v3.6 [CM6.1.1 Stable]" you will need to edit the startup.txt to get your RAM ver.
Hello there
I've just got an HD2 (I know it's a little late),
but i found out that this device is even better on some midrange phones in the market (according to the budget i currently have)
i knew there are WinMobile 6.5 builds, Windows 7.8, Android SD and NAND, UBuntu and finally MEEGO.
forget about WinMo 6.5, it's really outdated.
I know that some will tell me it's a matter of personal choice, but what i'm searching for is the most stable, no battery problems, and applications support.
any suggestions about the top 3 ROMS i should test/Use?
thank you all
I'd bet on Android...
If you know that it's purely a matter of opinion then what's the logic in asking?
IMO - WP7 is fast, fluid and the best OS if you don't use too many apps
- Android works fairly well and has a much better app selection than WP, but isn't quite as smooth. It's more suited for high-end hardware
- WinMo is great (yes, that does indeed mean Windows Mobile 6.5) for business-oriented usage, with excellent battery life and stability.
bib*oops said:
I'd bet on Android...
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Nigeldg said:
If you know that it's purely a matter of opinion then what's the logic in asking?
IMO - WP7 is fast, fluid and the best OS if you don't use too many apps
- Android works fairly well and has a much better app selection than WP, but isn't quite as smooth. It's more suited for high-end hardware
- WinMo is great (yes, that does indeed mean Windows Mobile 6.5) for business-oriented usage, with excellent battery life and stability.
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thanks Nigeldg, well i really don't want to take it from the matter of opinion side of view, that's why I asked the question
I want opinions about stability, performance and battery life, with wide applications support.
the guy i bought the phone from is using an Android 2.2 build, is it worth Upgrading to the latest 4.1.2?
my Ex-phone was an touch HD (Blackstone), so i was used to putting Winmo roms only.
i'll have to read a little about how to put Android, WM7 roms.
I Agree with you that Winmo is the best in performance, battery life and currently mostly for business use, because Applications are not developed anymore for Winmo, even existing apps(specially Social) stopped working.
that's why i don't consider putting Winmo anymore, except for as a backup.
thanks
Could you two please suggest Roms one for android and another for WM7?
there are a lot, and i don't which to begin with.
I can't answer any questions unless you provide more information about what your usage of the device will be like. Different things suit different people, you'll probably just have to try some ROMs out yourself and choose later.
Hi,
I also bought my HD2 a little late in the game (some 6 months ago) and it is my second phone, I bought specificaly because I was curious to test WP7 and I knew it to be a very flexible phone if I changed my mind or new things came by (like WP8, still hope it will work some day).
That said, I use PDAimatejam WP7.8 ROM (v8.7, to be exact) and it is very stable and very, very fast, very suited to be your daily driver. There are 2 downsides (that I believe are common to all WP7 roms in the HD2):
- Lack of apps, compared to Android (that has nothing to do with the HD2, obviously). The rom I mentioned comes with the nokia apps (drive, music, etc.), I would say that your basic needs are there, depending on the type of user you are.
- Batery usage is so-so, and the batery level is inacurate. You need to perform "rituals" (look for the camera trick, for example) to have a decent battery life.
In the android front I cannot give you a personal experience (I have a Galaxy Nexus but never used android in the HD2) but the development there is very active. I would sugest you to go to a 4.1 or 4.2 ROM, it is a vast improvement over any 2.x version of android. From what I read there are very stable versions (my phone actually came with android 4.0, but I used it just for a couple hours like that). Android has a much better app coverage and as I said the development is very active, you have more ROM options to chose from. I do not know if there are any specific bugs/"characteristics" that you need to be aware, as is the case with WP7 and the batery.
Another thing, you can always try some of the options for a few days (I would recommend at least a week or two for each OS) and decide which one you like better, or even dual-boot Android and WP7. Thats the beauty of the HD2.
Hope it helps.
Good luck,
Nigeldg said:
I can't answer any questions unless you provide more information about what your usage of the device will be like. Different things suit different people, you'll probably just have to try some ROMs out yourself and choose later.
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Well, these are the apps I Mostly use: Facebook, Twitter, WhatsUp, Skype, Navigation, RSS....
Android and WM7 will it be then i guess, with android as the main OS.
could you point me to a good Anroid ROM to start with?
sandro.bertini said:
Hi,
I also bought my HD2 a little late in the game (some 6 months ago) and it is my second phone, I bought specificaly because I was curious to test WP7 and I knew it to be a very flexible phone if I changed my mind or new things came by (like WP8, still hope it will work some day).
That said, I use PDAimatejam WP7.8 ROM (v8.7, to be exact) and it is very stable and very, very fast, very suited to be your daily driver. There are 2 downsides (that I believe are common to all WP7 roms in the HD2):
- Lack of apps, compared to Android (that has nothing to do with the HD2, obviously). The rom I mentioned comes with the nokia apps (drive, music, etc.), I would say that your basic needs are there, depending on the type of user you are.
- Batery usage is so-so, and the batery level is inacurate. You need to perform "rituals" (look for the camera trick, for example) to have a decent battery life.
In the android front I cannot give you a personal experience (I have a Galaxy Nexus but never used android in the HD2) but the development there is very active. I would sugest you to go to a 4.1 or 4.2 ROM, it is a vast improvement over any 2.x version of android. From what I read there are very stable versions (my phone actually came with android 4.0, but I used it just for a couple hours like that). Android has a much better app coverage and as I said the development is very active, you have more ROM options to chose from. I do not know if there are any specific bugs/"characteristics" that you need to be aware, as is the case with WP7 and the batery.
Another thing, you can always try some of the options for a few days (I would recommend at least a week or two for each OS) and decide which one you like better, or even dual-boot Android and WP7. Thats the beauty of the HD2.
Hope it helps.
Good luck,
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thanks Sandro, I will definitly give WM7 a shot,
any quick guides on burning Android/WM7 ROMS, i know the forum has articles about that, but asking experienced users is better for a noob like me at the moment
thanks.
If you don't browse the web too much and don't do any heavy gaming then go for a GB ROM. Choose one yourself, there are tonnes and all are good, but just don't use Sense. A CM7/MIUI GB ROM should work fine for you. I've never used WP so I can't recommend any ROMs, I guess just get the latest version if you can. I'm not going to link you to any guides because you're supposed to search (that's one of the forum rules) so I don't really see why I should do it for you
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If you don't browse the web too much and don't do any heavy gaming then go for a GB ROM. Choose one yourself, there are tonnes and all are good, but just don't use Sense. A CM7/MIUI GB ROM should work fine for you. I've never used WP so I can't recommend any ROMs, I guess just get the latest version if you can. I'm not going to link you to any guides because you're supposed to search (that's one of the forum rules) so I don't really see why I should do it for you
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thanks Nigeldg
if you want an easy intro to android, consider installing Darkstone's superram froyo on SD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
it's an easy quick install, everything is supported hardware-wise and if you have the latest stock rom (3.14?) you won't have to change anything on the phone. it boots and runs fast from winMo.
if i'd known how easy and useful it was going to be i'd have installed this ages ago.
theabsurdman said:
if you want an easy intro to android, consider installing Darkstone's superram froyo on SD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
it's an easy quick install, everything is supported hardware-wise and if you have the latest stock rom (3.14?) you won't have to change anything on the phone. it boots and runs fast from winMo.
if i'd known how easy and useful it was going to be i'd have installed this ages ago.
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Lol you're a good few years late with that one mate
theabsurdman said:
if you want an easy intro to android, consider installing Darkstone's superram froyo on SD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
it's an easy quick install, everything is supported hardware-wise and if you have the latest stock rom (3.14?) you won't have to change anything on the phone. it boots and runs fast from winMo.
if i'd known how easy and useful it was going to be i'd have installed this ages ago.
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Thanks theabsurdman, but i already have Froyo, and i'm thinking about getting the latest Android version.
I've been using Android since 2011 but I'm not happy with it. It always looked like laggy to me but I always didn't care.
Now I'm with HTC One and I'm not happy again. Apps, customization options, etc. are amazing but, even after reading tons of person's "This phone i very smooth, stable" I just can't find this phone smooth or stable nor Android OS. When I install a rom (with fully wipe of course), 1 or 2 day I satisfy with it, it starts to lag, and late responses etc.
I hate IOS either but still, after usign my brothers iphone for a minute, I hate from my phone.
But I don't want to leave Android. When I need to buy a new phone, I always select Android ones because I always believed that the next one will be much more smoother because of new processors etc. but even with the 2013's flagship phone, it hasn't happened yet. (at least for me) :laugh:
What are yours comments??
Note: I didn't open this thread to blame on Android. I just wondered yours comments.
serkanhiziroglu1998 said:
I've been using Android since 2011 but I'm not happy with it. It always looked like laggy to me but I always didn't care.
Now I'm with HTC One and I'm not happy again. Apps, customization options, etc. are amazing but, even after reading tons of person's "This phone i very smooth, stable" I just can't find this phone smooth or stable nor Android OS. When I install a rom (with fully wipe of course), 1 or 2 day I satisfy with it, it starts to lag, and late responses etc.
I hate IOS either but still, after usign my brothers iphone for a minute, I hate from my phone.
But I don't want to leave Android. When I need to buy a new phone, I always select Android ones because I always believed that the next one will be much more smoother because of new processors etc. but even with the 2013's flagship phone, it hasn't happened yet. (at least for me) :laugh:
What are yours comments??
Note: I didn't open this thread to blame on Android. I just wondered yours comments.
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What rom are you using? And what apps? My HTC One is plenty smooth
That's how I was with my old phone. You just need to look up phone statistics and read reviews online. A good phone at a decent price. Don't buy a used or referbished. I agree though. Android isn't the best, but it does get me through my needs.
Sent from ALCATEL One Touch Fierce
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What rom are you using? And what apps? My HTC One is plenty smooth
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Firstly thank you for your answer.
I tried tons of roms including ARHD, Insertcoin, GPE Roms, CM. Now I'm with InsertCoin and ElementalX (tried stock kernel too) and after 2 days I got laggy again. I think its not important for me anymore because whenever I ask a question about smoothness I get answers like apps, roms and I try them. I don't install any apps more than 10. Apps I install are generic apps like Twiitter, WhatsApp, TitaniumBackup, Cache cleaner.
Scripts said:
That's how I was with my old phone. You just need to look up phone statistics and read reviews online. A good phone at a decent price. Don't buy a used or referbished. I agree though. Android isn't the best, but it does get me through my needs.
Sent from ALCATEL One Touch Fierce
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I got One after watching tons of reviews and its said that its a fast phone. I think I'm obsessed with this smoothness expectation from Android because I used Nexus 4 for 4 months too and I wasn't happy with that too. But still, N4 was much more stable than One for me. :laugh:
I think I know what you're talking about. The phone seems perfectly fast after you install a new rom but then it slows down a lot over time. I have had the same issue with my One and my older S2. But now my phone seems to be really fast all the time with the 4.4.2 GPE. It's a stock ROM but I added some of my own stuff to it. I've been on the same rom for about 2 or 3 weeks now and it seems pretty smooth. Not even the UI stutters anymore. I also used App Ops to fix the battery drain issue with the Kit Kat update and now the phone is perfect. You should try a converting your phone to GPE and see how that is for you. I'm currently very happy with how my phone performs, it ranks high in benchmarks without any overclocking and gets much better battery life as well.
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I think I know what you're talking about. The phone seems perfectly fast after you install a new rom but then it slows down a lot over time. I have had the same issue with my One and my older S2. But now my phone seems to be really fast all the time with the 4.4.2 GPE. It's a stock ROM but I added some of my own stuff to it. I've been on the same rom for about 2 or 3 weeks now and it seems pretty smooth. Not even the UI stutters anymore. I also used App Ops to fix the battery drain issue with the Kit Kat update and now the phone is perfect. You should try a converting your phone to GPE and see how that is for you. I'm currently very happy with how my phone performs, it ranks high in benchmarks without any overclocking and gets much better battery life as well.
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To be honest, your phone is probably laggy because you've rooted it and have flashed the software and firmware multiple times. Run a stock HTC One and it's buttery. Any time I root or jailbreak a phone, I regret it after a while because it seems to screw up the device. I had the 4 and 4S, both were jailbroken and were laggy as hell. My HTC One is pretty unresponsive and laggy, but my girlfriends HTC One is perfect. This phone will definitely be the last phone I ever root/jailbreak.
I have an HTC One
Have always wanted to be on Android, but never really got the "right" feeling for it... tried Samsung Galaxy Nexus when it came, later I tried Samsung Galaxy S3 4G. Thought that one would be a sure thing... seemed it was the android phone every one had.... but was really disappointed... most the poor body, and the sound?
Had an iPhone 5 at this point, got it from work as then hit the market. Had used ios devices before too. They where always smooth and worked.
I always did jailbreak my devices, so you could customize a lot.
But did a 3:rd try for Android, with the HTC ONE.
And this time I aint turning back, sure the build quality in apples products is hard to beat, and I like the screen size a bit more. Even if I have big hands I still feel most phones today are 2hands phones, more or less. Anyhow!
HTC ONE, is running really smooth, I have used a couple of roms, back with Viper at the moment with the ElementarX Kernel.
I never feel that my phone is slow or laggy. Using Nova Launcher.
Would like to run a stable CM 10.2 or 11 thou
I think I experienced this on stock ROM, when my phone was new you could say the smoothness gradually decreased as it filled up with rubbish I guess.
But on ARHD 40.3 I haven't had a problem. Been rocking this ROM since 40.3 was released and see no reason to upgrade or change. Happy where I am with performance and battery life.
While I feel that 4.4/KitKat's new ART runtime does help smooth things out compared to Dalvik, I agree that it's not quite on par with iOS. This is just in scrolling action, though. I feel the One is plenty fast when it comes to processing power and touch response time.
I think it all depends on what you are comparing this phone to. My previous phone came out awhile ago, so of course the HTC One feels very smooth for me.
For me, the smoothest rom is vanilla Android, namely GPE. AOSP roms (like CM) seem to stutter when scrolling, such as in the Settings menu.
If you are comparing Android to iOS, however, there was a post a couple of years ago stating that it is because of how Android renders the interface that makes it laggier than iOS. This is not the post itself, but it breaks it down:
http://www.redmondpie.com/heres-why-androids-ui-will-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-or-windows-phone-7/
in my opinion,
Facebook or 3rd party integration is the problem; un-link facebook account or at least use your phone without internet connection (3G or wifi i mean) for testing.
i am a one user, with stock 4.3 and happy with it
Thread closed,
As this is not directly related to the HTC One and has become a bit of a phone comparison thread, this is classed as an OT thread and has been clsoed. Please see the link in my signature for OT section in XDA. This would be a better place for threads of this type.