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Now that the phone's been rooted, how do I completely wipe every single trace of SenseUI? In other words, I want it to look like nearly every other Android phone out there. White status bar etc.
Removing Rosie.apk from /system/app did nothing...
Question I'd like answered as well. I'm guessing we'll have to wait for a full custom ROM. Though I can say that all Sprint stuff I've removed has all ready made the phone much snappier.
Well you dont really have to remove sensui, you can just set the phone to only show just the regular home. You can do that by going to settings > applications > Manage Applications find HTC Sense and click that and click clear defaults. When you do that press home and check the check box that says use as default or something like that and click Home icon on the screen.
goku14238 said:
Well you dont really have to remove sensui, you can just set the phone to only show just the regular home. You can do that by going to settings > applications > Manage Applications find HTC Sense and click that and click clear defaults. When you do that press home and check the check box that says use as default or something like that and click Home icon on the screen.
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But that's the problem, it only shows regular home and nothing else from the vanilla Android.
goku14238 said:
Well you dont really have to remove sensui, you can just set the phone to only show just the regular home. You can do that by going to settings > applications > Manage Applications find HTC Sense and click that and click clear defaults. When you do that press home and check the check box that says use as default or something like that and click Home icon on the screen.
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Sense UI still runs in the background.
And you're not gonna get this phone to run completely without unless you flashing a custom rom. The Sense UI is more than just 7 screens and widgets. It's the taskbar, dialer, calendar, lock screen and a bunch of different apps and such.
ajones7279 said:
Sense UI still runs in the background.
And you're not gonna get this phone to run completely without unless you flashing a custom rom. The Sense UI is more than just 7 screens and widgets. It's the taskbar, dialer, calendar, lock screen and a bunch of different apps and such.
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Yeah.. Why would one want to remove sense? I have no problem with it, just wanted to know
goku14238 said:
Yeah.. Why would one want to remove sense? I have no problem with it, just wanted to know
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Some people like to be more "minimalist" and tweak for every ounce of performance (and further, it's just a personal preference thing...like some people like the looks of a Camaro over a Mustang and vice versa).
thecodemonk said:
Some people like to be more "minimalist" and tweak for every ounce of performance (and further, it's just a personal preference thing...like some people like the looks of a Camaro over a Mustang and vice versa).
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Oh ok, I see. I do know of some people that prefer the vanilla look, because it's what they are used to.
As mentioned above, there are still some HTC-specific apps on the phone even after removing Rosie.apk. Removing Rosie does prevent it from starting up a service on boot, but there's more to be removed/replaced to get a fully vanilla android experience.
One of the problems is getting the vanilla app that will replace the HTC one. Not all of the vanilla android apps are open source and available to just drop in as a replacement. You also have to be sure that the SDK version matches, or you'll get compatibility problems. For example, you can't drop in Calendar.apk from a CyanogenMod ROM (1.6) onto these phones because it won't work on 1.5. You'd need to get the 1.5 version of the app. And even then, HTC may have modified other core components (we know they hacked in CDMA support into 1.5, so there's no telling what else they modified in order to make vanilla 1.5 wholly incompatible with the modified platform -- if they did at all, of course).
You should feel free to experiment with removing/replacing apps on the phone, now that you have the ability to do so. Just keep in mind that you may very well break something if you remove the wrong app, etc. So, make sure you a) keep a backup of EVERY file that you replace/remove; in fact, I backed up the entire /system/app/ directory so that I have every app that I change; and b) have a root-capable recovery image (RA recovery 1.2.3) so that if your phone stops booting, you can go into recovery, mount /system, and restore whatever you last changed, to see if it fixes it.
I've already removed Rosie, all the (non-essential) Sprint apps, and all the HTC Widgets (com.htc.*Widget.*, Htc*Widget.*, Sprint_{N*,TV*}.apk, and several other HTC apps. No issues so far. One thing I noticed is that removing the apk from /system/app/ doesn't seem to remove all traces of the app... When I run fix_permissions from the recovery rom, it still looks for those apk files I removed, and gives a note that the file is gone and I should reinstall. Obviously, it's gone for a reason, but I haven't looked into why it's able to see that it should be there and isn't.
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I don't like TouchWiz, like most I thing its a bad copy of iOS.
Can we completely remove TouchWiz? I understand that if I install LauncherPro touchwiz il still work in the background...if we root SGS can we remove touchwiz? if yes how can we remove it?
Not unless if you root your phone, and not until a stock android ROM is available for Galaxy S.
I want to root my SGS but after I root the sgs how can I remove touchwiz?
deadmau said:
I want to root my SGS but after I root the sgs how can I remove touchwiz?
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snapper.fishes said:
not until a stock android ROM is available for Galaxy S.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but...
Parts of i9000's applications/services rely on code that exist in the TouchWiz package. Until a stock android ROM is released that can replace these code parts entirely removing TouchWiz won't be possible (without breaking your phone, that is).
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Correct me if I'm wrong but...
Parts of i9000's applications/services rely on code that exist in the TouchWiz package. Until a stock android ROM is released that can replace these code parts entirely removing TouchWiz won't be possible (without breaking your phone, that is).
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I might just confuse the issue, by "stock" I read "vanilla" (I know how to root, but definitely don't know the lingo). I also assume that some functions he'd be ok with staying similar, like how the ROM communicates with the phone's radio and makes calls. The available ROMs should definitely accomplish this, even if leaving some of the functionality untouched.
I don't know all the ROMs available, and know even less about the underlying functionality save but 1 or 2. And, specific to how I might be confusing "stock" with "vanilla" but he didn't specifically ask for Vanilla, so wouldn't he just need a ROM that isn't TouchWiz UI to accomplish his main goal? He's definitely trying to eliminate at least some, if not most or all, of the wasted background software functions that his phone is currently doing if he uses an "overlay UI" (sorry again for lack of terminology). And maybe I haven't helped anyone even point him in the right direction.
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I might just confuse the issue, by "stock" I read "vanilla" (I know how to root, but definitely don't know the lingo). I also assume that some functions he'd be ok with staying similar, like how the ROM communicates with the phone's radio and makes calls. The available ROMs should definitely accomplish this, even if leaving some of the functionality untouched.
I don't know all the ROMs available, and know even less about the underlying functionality save but 1 or 2. And, specific to how I might be confusing "stock" with "vanilla" but he didn't specifically ask for Vanilla, so wouldn't he just need a ROM that isn't TouchWiz UI to accomplish his main goal? He's definitely trying to eliminate at least some, if not most or all, of the wasted background software functions that his phone is currently doing if he uses an "overlay UI" (sorry again for lack of terminology). And maybe I haven't helped anyone even point him in the right direction.
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I'm no master of the details, but the way I write stock could indeed be considered vanilla. Basically, stock would be Android 2.1 without any kind of third party Launcher, ie Nexus One style.
The way I've come to understand it is that the "launchers" that come with phones (Sense, TouchWiz) are not only Launchers but also provide a layer to communicate with the hardware.
It should be possible to replace this with custom roms, or in some way replace that layer of communication. But until this is done it won't be possible to simply remove TouchWiz entirely.
There also doesn't seem to be that many ROMs that officially support i9000 yet, though I haven't really looked too deeply.
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Hello
I don't like TouchWiz, like most I thing its a bad copy of iOS.
Can we completely remove TouchWiz? I understand that if I install LauncherPro touchwiz il still work in the background...if we root SGS can we remove touchwiz? if yes how can we remove it?
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I've just installed LauncherPro, using Home Switcher to select LauncherPro as default, the TouchWiz Start process doesn't seem to launch at boot. Seems perfectly okay to me.
MoWa22 said:
I've just installed LauncherPro, using Home Switcher to select LauncherPro as default, the TouchWiz Start process doesn't seem to launch at boot. Seems perfectly okay to me.
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You're just not seeing it, in more than one sense of the word. It's still consuming memory, which, I'll assume, is the OPs concern. We all would like a bit more memory with a bit less bloat.
The best way to test is, don't use LauncherPro, check your memory with all the tasks killed. Then, reboot with your typically setting with LauncherPro and Home Switcher, your available memory will be lower by about 20mb (I know not much, but we are probably trying to eliminate more than 20MB of wasted memory by eliminating a lot of the bloat TW might be adding.
Was wondering if this was possible on our hd2s?
I like all the htc skins parts in android (dialer, text, browser, general theme) but want launcher pro instead on the sense home screen.
I use taskiller but the sense stuff always comes back. I did a search and found this on the evo forum. Sounds good, would it mess the phone? Or not work at all?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769525
worst case scenario is that you have to start your android build again.
no danger of bricking the phone anyway......
id try it but id want sense back after 10 mins.....
what im wondering is why dont you just run a non sense android build?
was trying to get it working, but unsure how to run it? its a zip file which contains loads of other files that i cant run?
I use ADW launcher with MDJ Froyo 1.1 Matt with no problems as my default launcher and that is a sense build, it actualy runs a little smoother in my opinion.
I use Launcher Pro on top of Sense (see my build and pic below). It is fantastic. I recommend purchasing the full, as well as purchasing Beautiful Widgets (both from the market).
Fantastic custom screen and faster movement.
woks well, but with froyo I am always fighting for a bit of ram. If froyo is your type of build then launcher pro is recommended. You can still launch the radio via programs
Install your launcher of choice from the market/apk and when you click the home button you'll get a pop-up asking which one you'd like to use (sense/your other launcher). click the box saying "always use this choice" and select your launcher. Sense will close, your launcher will open and that's it, done.
You can change your option later if you regret it in your system settings.
So, what your saying is that it doesnt matter? Its just when using taskiller i see the services restarting all the time...
I'm not saying it won't stop the services from starting all the time (there's probably a way round that as well, although I've not bothered looking) but the services shouldn't use much ram anyway, and they're responsible for other background tasks, not just the graphical front end.
Yeah, I dont want to stop it all...just certain parts. Im unsure how to run the file which i posted up on the original post...any ideas? I would like to try it as it sounds ideal (you might like the sound of it yourself)
I don't think I would run that file with these builds. Go download a Nexus build if you really want no Sense. Otherwise, some files run, but take so little space it is incidental.
For example HTC Sense takes a several MB's when running as your home screen. Using Launcher Pro as default home causes that number to drop to 48kb...almost nothing.
And I would get Home Switcher from the market in case you change your mind later or need to access Sense.
So...just to confirm I cannot get rid of the sense launcher...but keep:
taskbar
dialer
skinned browser
general theme throughout
It it honestly just me that wants this haha!
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So...just to confirm I cannot get rid of the sense launcher...but keep:
taskbar
dialer
skinned browser
general theme throughout
It it honestly just me that wants this haha!
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I would be nice to know how to flash that file uploaded in the evo forum..
Anyone knows how to dit it and ill give it a try
I tried, but dont know how...can any expert look at my original post and see?
Other parts of the xda forum ask for this...but here im told to use either sense or froyo...i want the best of both.
Hi all!
i'm getting galaxy tab this week, (yes i'll not wait for tab2) and i'm wondering if theres a way to get the normal look of android??
i mean, i've watch tons of videos an that, and i'd love to have the normal android feel not the original that comes with tab.
i now that on htc, we can deactivate "sense" on tab is also posible??
thank you!!!
(sorry my bad english)
I think you are referring to the samsung's android "skin" called TouchWiz. You can replace it with any launcher you want: launcher pro, ADWLauncher ex, or my personal favourite Go Launcher ex.
Hi!
thanks, thats it, i want to disable touchwiz but it seems that is not possible unless i install another rom.
with launchers, its possible to reduce ram use of touchwizz, to not overload the tab.?
thankx
You do not need another rom or to be rooted to install another launcher,
I have ADW EX on the tab (usually use touchwiz though, just got it to take a look). You can just simply download it (or any other) on the market, install and then click home to "set as default".
I don't know anything more complicated like the touchwiz ram issues though, someone more expert will have to partake for that
Have fun ^_^
Thanks!!
i'll try ADW EX, i've check some videos and it seems awsome !
Hello, I just installed the stock ICS on my Xoom, and I'm disapointed ...
As everybody was saying "the Xoom is now a whole new device", I was expecting so ...
There are good points with ICS :
- new functionalities like icons directories.
- gpu acceleration for a few 2D applications.
- a few websites are now smoother.
- typing texts in forums is now fast.
- a lot more available memory : around 512Mb instead of 400Mb in 3.2.1. EDIT : since a reboot of my Xoom, the available memory dropped down to 360Mb !!!
But I was expecting a lot more fluidity, smoothness, from the 2D applications of Android.
- the new market is more laggy than the one of honeycomb 3.2.1.
- some web pages are smoother now, but some other are slower !!!! XDA for exemple lags more than in 3.2.1 !!!
- the 2D GPU acceleration does not work for all applications : even when "force 2d acceleration" is selected, some applications become smooth, some other don't, even when they are the same kind of applications.
- stock web browser crashes more than in 3.2.1.
- on stock browser search string on some forums don't work anymore (try on XDA !), same problem with some dropdown menus which let the web page disappearing ...
- the new kill apps system in ICS does not really kill all apps. So we still need an app killer.
- the portrait mode is still laggy compared to the landscape mode.
- the available memory, when the Xoom has just been rebooted, vary between 510Mb and 360Mb ... !!! With absolutly no change in my Xoom configuration.
- When you force OFF the screen rotation in landscape mode, if you lock the Xoom and put it in portrait position, when you unlock the Xoom the display will be in portrait mode, and right after the Xoom will be unlocked it will go back to Landscape mode. This bug didn't exist in Honeycomb.
- the cursor to select text to copy seems more difficult to position than in Honeycomb.
- if you kill the stock browser with an app killer, when you relaunch the browser it will then open the last visited website, which is as expected. But if you kill the browser with the Android task killer, then the browser (when relaunched) will display nothing.
So I don't feel like I have a new device, some things are better, some worse.
As I am very concerned by the Android fluidity, ICS is a big step forward, but there are still some more steps to do, and I hope we will be able, one day, to see Android as fluid as an ipad on our Xoom ... But I guess I should stop dreaming.
Maybe you should trying running one of those custom ROMS and see if you see and
better performance or features..it's worth a shot
I think even Stevie Wonder saw this thread coming.
dizzy33 said:
As I am very concerned by the Android fluidity, ICS is a big step forward, but there are still some more steps to do, and I hope we will be able, one day, to see Android as fluid as an ipad on our Xoom ... But I guess I should stop dreaming.
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Stop running crappy apps and it'll be "fluid".
ZanshinG1 said:
Stop running crappy apps and it'll be "fluid".
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There will always be people taking personaly what you say about their toy ! This kind of people should just open their eyes, and stop being agressive.
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Maybe you should trying running one of those custom ROMS and see if you see and
better performance or features..it's worth a shot
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You may be right but I would expect Google to optimize more Android without the need of tuning a custom Rom to gain (maybe) a few more images per seconds ...
With this thread I wanted to ađvise people who are still waiting for the ICS update to minimize what they can expect of it, this way they may not be as disapointed as I was...
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There will always be people taking personaly what you say about their toy ! This kind of people should just open their eyes, and stop being agressive.
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No.
Most of the stuttering is caused by apps which are written by developers who don't really understand Android,
Seriously.
Pay attention to which apps aren't responsive. Look at memory use, wake locks, watch for unnecessary services and background threads.
Eliminate apps one-by-one until stuttering in menus and the desktop stops. Don't run live wallpapers.
Factory reset. System settings from prior Android revisions can cause problems.
I have fixed many of my friends' Android devices when they blamed the device or OS for lag.
Stock 4.04 is quite responsive and fluid. If yours isn't, it's probably the apps you've installed or settings conflicts.
Change animation settings under development to none or at least down to .5 from 1.0.
Use a third party launcher and third party browser if unsatisfied with stock. We have choice...we can use it.
My Xoom is as smooth as butter...no lag or stutter at all.
I always choose the apps to install according to their fluidity. I know some apps are badly developped. I also have no apps running in background (that's why I choosed the stock ICS), always killing running apps before running a new one. I also don't use animated background.
I do my best to let my Xoom run as smooth as possible.
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I always choose the apps to install according to their fluidity. I know some apps are badly developped. I also have no apps running in background (that's why I choosed the stock ICS), always killing running apps before running a new one. I also don't use animated background.
I do my best to let my Xoom run as smooth as possible.
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Have you changed your animation settings under Developer Options (in Settings Menu, toward the bottom) If you don't need animations, then change the settings to "none" it will make a difference.
okantomi said:
Change animation settings under development to none or at least down to .5 from 1.0.
Use a third party launcher and third party browser if unsatisfied with stock. We have choice...we can use it.
My Xoom is as smooth as butter...no lag or stutter at all.
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Thanks for these advises but the problem for me is not the speed of the device but its fluidity. So changing the animation setting did change the speed of the way the menu are displayed but not the fluidity of the animations.
About the fird party launcher, I think it will not make it run smoother as it will run in the background and occupy memory.
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Thanks for these advises but the problem for me is not the speed of the device but its fluidity. So changing the animation setting did change the speed of the way the menu are displayed but not the fluidity of the animations.
About the fird party launcher, I think it will not make it run smoother as it will run in the background and occupy memory.
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Why, I don't know, but I have always found increased smoothness from launcher like ADWEX. As they say, "your mileage may vary." The configuration in my signature represents what I think is probably the best, smoothest and fastest combination I can find. I also have tons of apps and a pretty elaborate theme and still my Xoom is butter-smooth. It can be done.
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I always choose the apps to install according to their fluidity. I know some apps are badly developped. I also have no apps running in background (that's why I choosed the stock ICS), always killing running apps before running a new one. I also don't use animated background.
I do my best to let my Xoom run as smooth as possible.
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Why kill the apps before running a new one? If you are choosing apps based on how well programmed they are that seems completely unnecessary.
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Hi,
You didn't mention what apps you are running.
I'm running 4.0.4 stock rooted - and no issues in general. It got very laggy once after running for a week, but a reboot fixed it. Like any OS, very complex and not perfect - reboot once in a while.
I honestly don't find ICS to be very much different than HC (nor did I expect it to be). (ICS is what google wanted HC to be but ran out of time, so released HC)
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Thanks for these advises but the problem for me is not the speed of the device but its fluidity. So changing the animation setting did change the speed of the way the menu are displayed but not the fluidity of the animations.
About the fird party launcher, I think it will not make it run smoother as it will run in the background and occupy memory.
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Adw auncher makes for a much smoother home screen experiance than stock. Stock struggles with more than a couple of Widgets. Its a diferant experiance, but definatly faster.
dizzy33 said:
I always choose the apps to install according to their fluidity. I know some apps are badly developped. I also have no apps running in background (that's why I choosed the stock ICS), always killing running apps before running a new one. I also don't use animated background.
I do my best to let my Xoom run as smooth as possible.
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Which is why you were so quick to see my original suggestion as a personal attack?
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Which is why you were so quick to see my original suggestion as a personal attack?
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I thought you took it as a personal attack because you said "stop using crappy apps", which to my point of view is agressive.
That's it. I'm sorry if your goal was not to be agressive.
You know, there are lots of fixes for any problems this device had at one time, but many require rooting and installing custom roms/kernels/recoveries and certain non-stock apps. I realize that some people like staying stock as much as possible...I don't. I want to get root immediately and start customizing. That's just me. Some people don't like to eat meat...I do. Some people can't imagine not driving everywhere...I've never owned a car. We're all different. But sometimes you just have to understand that your desire to stay all stock comes at a price. Lag exists. That's why custom roms exist...to eliminate lag, among other brilliant things.
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You know, there are lots of fixes for any problems this device had at one time, but many require rooting and installing custom roms/kernels/recoveries and certain non-stock apps. I realize that some people like staying stock as much as possible...I don't. I want to get root immediately and start customizing. That's just me. Some people don't like to eat meat...I do. Some people can't imagine not driving everywhere...I've never owned a car. We're all different. But sometimes you just have to understand that your desire to stay all stock comes at a price. Lag exists. That's why custom roms exist...to eliminate lag, among other brilliant things.
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OK, so I'll check the custom ROMS ... Can anyone specify which ROM is the best for fluidity ?
I didnt have or notice any of the problems you had on stock ICS
I am running the following rom on my xoom atm and have had no issues
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1437358