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Is it possible to put rosie on a rom that isn't hero (like one of jf's roms).
I was thinking the same thing. What I did was updated to the hero rom and then backed up rosie.apk. Then went to the ion rom and tried to install rosie.apk through astro and it said that the apk cannot be installed on this phone. Could be some version check or something but I didnt bother to try any further.
There would be alot of HTC framework you would need to implement to a point where it would be pretty much hero to get it to work from my understanding.
From what I've read, Rosie (and few other HTC apps require a modified android core, so to get Rosie on a JF release, you'd use a rom that contained a majorty of the Hero code.
By the time you're done getting all the files for Rosie and it's associated widgets to run on a Google core you'd be running Hero. What's the point? Are we done asking this question now?
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By the time you're done getting all the files for Rosie and it's associated widgets to run on a Google core you'd be running Hero. What's the point? Are we done asking this question now?
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No. There will be at least 6 more threads about this very topic.
Hi,
I actually tried on 5.02h.
It says that it cannot be installed.
So yes the answer is no.
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By the time you're done getting all the files for Rosie and it's associated widgets to run on a Google core you'd be running Hero. What's the point? Are we done asking this question now?
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have you tried it on Rogers? i ask b/c u list it in your sig.
since that is HTC based (to my understanding at least)...this might be a possibility.
still though...i don't see much point
Technically, yes it can, since in reality, all rosie is is rosie on a non-hero rom (it's still very much android at the core). If you're talking about a simple file swap, it is possible, but by the time you're done swapping files, you'll have the htc modified framework again. However, rosie is still also very much the same Launcher apk from google, it's got a few tweaks here an there, and i think that with some heavy modification of the source it can be made to work similarly on a stock android framework. That's just for the desktop elements. The widgets are a different story, if you want binary compatibility with the rosie widgets, then, again, you have to import the HTC library, or reverse engineer it and implement your own.
It is possible, after all, Android is in many ways a community OS, so you can modify it as you please, but a simple patch up work and file swap? then no, it's not that easy.
::sigh:: quit asking these questions, think of it this way:
Have you tried running a .NET app, without having the .NET framework installed.
It's gonna say missing framework.
Hero is basically Android + a bunch of HTC written frameworks. And that framework is written under the assumption that there is 512MB ROM/256 RAM. (on their unreleased phone)
Hence the slowdowns on our lovely G1 with only 256MB ROM and 192RAM
Other Thoughts:
T-Mobile always does this crap though, give us the crappiest hardware (bare minimum, so they save money.)
Remember the MDA and then the WING, whilst at the same time AT&T's Pocket PC specs were far superior.
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have you tried it on Rogers? i ask b/c u list it in your sig.
since that is HTC based (to my understanding at least)...this might be a possibility.
still though...i don't see much point
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I've given it some preliminary tries from an informational standpoint but that means going back to a plain Jane Rogers build. The really ****ty thing about the Hero build with Rosie is that Rosie and it's associated widgets are all interlaced with each other. You pull a few and that whole house of cards comes crashing down. The Hero Music widget for example requires the htc.framework. Before htc.framework and associated libraries releases permissions to the Music widget it references a series of DRM library files. I stopped after that but I can almost guarantee that the DRM libraries have some other off the wall dependencies only found on that specific build. HTC did this for a reason and it's obvious that they consider their Home replacement and widgets as a single package. Even if you managed to retain the HTC framework and replace all the dependencies it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some of these outer lying files made references to specific bit of code only found in the HTC core. HTC has done it before and it's name is TouchFlo3D.
Unless someone really wants to break down Rosie line by line it really ought be considered an all or nothing venture here at XDA. We really need to drop the mentality that HTC builds are drag and drop like theming was pre-cramfs. And even then, cramfs are just identifiers anyway. HTC is a tricky bastard. Always has been, always will be. In my honest opinion, if you want Rosie on a non Rosie build you best brush up on your mimicry skills.
Maybe it's just me...but aside from the HTC widgets, what exactly do you all love about the rosie UI so much? the little wheel that you can scroll between your desktops? How many people use that much desktop space? in all honesty, it's not *THAT* much more functional. For me the important portions of the Hero build are more behind the scenes..solid twitter app, lockscreen tied to music, notifications, and calendar events..the nice black notifications window...most importantly, without losing performance. /shrug - my version of the hero build is screenshotted here..works for me, even though I don't have the 'rosie' UI i get all of the important things that matter to me.
What build is that? Or is it custom?
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Maybe it's just me...but aside from the HTC widgets, what exactly do you all love about the rosie UI so much? the little wheel that you can scroll between your desktops? How many people use that much desktop space? in all honesty, it's not *THAT* much more functional. For me the important portions of the Hero build are more behind the scenes..solid twitter app, lockscreen tied to music, notifications, and calendar events..the nice black notifications window...most importantly, without losing performance. /shrug - my version of the hero build is screenshotted here..works for me, even though I don't have the 'rosie' UI i get all of the important things that matter to me.
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Question: Does the lockscreen actually have the slide unlock? If so, you may have just sold me on your Hero mod. That's the ONE thing that I'm still utterly and completely in love with, and there are a LOT of bugs in the current Hero build, though w/o widgets it does run at least tolerably. I'm still hating the lack of landscape mode and led notifications.
/grumble
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What build is that? Or is it custom?
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It's the hero build from haykuro..with a lot of work done to it to make it perform the way that I'm after. I'm out of town next week but I'm hoping to get a list of all of the changes that I've made compiled and make it usable if anyone wants it.
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It's the hero build from haykuro..with a lot of work done to it to make it perform the way that I'm after. I'm out of town next week but I'm hoping to get a list of all of the changes that I've made compiled and make it usable if anyone wants it.
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I would be one. You've done exactly what I want out my Rogers build and the only reason I'm on it is for Exchange. I've started to learn how to do all this myself for that very reason.
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Question: Does the lockscreen actually have the slide unlock? If so, you may have just sold me on your Hero mod. That's the ONE thing that I'm still utterly and completely in love with, and there are a LOT of bugs in the current Hero build, though w/o widgets it does run at least tolerably. I'm still hating the lack of landscape mode and led notifications.
/grumble
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Yep - lockscreen works fine and also includes the music/notification functionality...attached a screenshot of that just now.
no LED notifications still - which is a pain in the ass I agree. The build I'm using is running Launcher.apk - not Rosie - and does autorotate.
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Yep - lockscreen works fine and also includes the music/notification functionality...attached a screenshot of that just now.
no LED notifications still - which is a pain in the ass I agree. The build I'm using is running Launcher.apk - not Rosie - and does autorotate.
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Thanks for the heads up. I thought running the Launcher.apk might remove the awesome lock screen. I'm a bit more happy about running this build, if only we could get some working notifications!
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I would be one. You've done exactly what I want out my Rogers build and the only reason I'm on it is for Exchange. I've started to learn how to do all this myself for that very reason.
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yea uh, you'll have to push Mail.apk and libHtcMail_jni.so back -- but it should work. my corporate exchange servers here suck **** apparently and only work with moxier for anything. I've never been able to get the Mail client or anything but Moxier to work with my corporate account.
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Yep - lockscreen works fine and also includes the music/notification functionality...attached a screenshot of that just now.
no LED notifications still - which is a pain in the ass I agree. The build I'm using is running Launcher.apk - not Rosie - and does autorotate.
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You've officially got me salivating. I have zero need for Rosie and everything you have listed is exactly the things I wanted out of Android.
I have so far only deleted Rosie.apk and all of the HTC widgets.
I do not like the AOSP look of say... DarchDroid, I like the HTC touches here and there, but without Sense UI.
I'm getting Force Closes now. I can't find the apk associated with the FC'es.
HTC Widget Download Manager (process com.htc.RosieUtility)
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process com.htc.RosieUtility
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im not sure, but didnt you just answer your own question? im probably wrong, but i think thats it. use root explorer and go on a deleting spree...
I wish it were that easy! lol
I searched all the directories for that file (com.htc.rosieutility) and its nowhere to be found.
I actually searched for *rosie* and all it came up with was:
/sdcard/rosie_scroll
/sdcard/download/Rosie_Icons.zip
Jesus ive searched the phone high and low. I am so ****ing lost. I dont know wtf is going on here.
was your search global? it seems you only searched your sd card...
why not just leave rosie and use helix? seems to me itd be the most stable.
The rom without rosie is very stable.. The only issue you will have is when you boot up, youll have 1 force close. After that the only time it comes up is if you are downloading something from the market. Which it doesnt even always come up.
For the most part the force close doesnt even mean much. I just got used to it being there. I never cared to look into it. But i will now.
Edit: also comes up when uninstalling something. but i dont do that much
Have you tried deleting
HtcAddProgramWidget.apk
hey fyi ic3 is completely aosp, and has fixed the utility issue. check his thread out, ppl seem satisfied.
Im pretty sure i figured it out
delete these
HtcAddProgramWidget.apk <-- If you havent already
com.android.launcher2.apk <-- I think this is what did it
I read the ice rom thread and all he did was use an older version of Launcher, so I just deleted it and rebooted without getting a force close (first time its worked)
I think that did it!
Sweet!
Yeah, I was getting the one FC at boot, and sometimes in the market, but I was also getting it while in the browser, sometimes in People, other times just at random.
I am using Helix.
So far so good.
Thank you!!!
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hey fyi ic3 is completely aosp, and has fixed the utility issue. check his thread out, ppl seem satisfied.
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I tried ic3....
I'm just not a fan of completely AOSP. I like the touch of HTC apps here and there.
I'm slowly getting FreshToast exactly how I want it.
Its super fast, and getting more and more stable even with JIT.
The only other thing I'm trying to narrow down is this memory leak type issue.
Sometimes with NO active running services or apps, the available RAM will drop as low as 55MB, then withing a few minutes I'll check it and it'll go back up to 70-80MB. Doesn't seem to affect performance too much, and I'm COMPLETELY taking a stab in the dark here but maybe has something to do with JIT?
I dunno. I'm going to try and disable JIT and see if the available RAM stays in the 60-70 range.
I just removed the HTC Mms.apk with the AOSP Mms.apk to try and cut back on keyboard lag.
I tried going with the AOSP/standard keyboard... I think ive just been typing on the HTC_IME keyboard for way too long that my muscle memory has been trained to it. I keep screwing up with the vanialla keyboard. Also the spell correct doesn't seem to work as well as it does the HTC keyboard. I have no vibration or sound, as well as no key preview to try and cut back on lag.
It seems that the actual spell correction is what is lagging the keyboard down so bad. If I turn off all spell correct/auto complete it seems to be much snappier.
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I tried ic3....
I'm just not a fan of completely AOSP. I like the touch of HTC apps here and there.
I'm slowly getting FreshToast exactly how I want it.
Its super fast, and getting more and more stable even with JIT.
The only other thing I'm trying to narrow down is this memory leak type issue.
Sometimes with NO active running services or apps, the available RAM will drop as low as 55MB, then withing a few minutes I'll check it and it'll go back up to 70-80MB. Doesn't seem to affect performance too much, and I'm COMPLETELY taking a stab in the dark here but maybe has something to do with JIT?
I dunno. I'm going to try and disable JIT and see if the available RAM stays in the 60-70 range.
I just removed the HTC Mms.apk with the AOSP Mms.apk to try and cut back on keyboard lag.
I tried going with the AOSP/standard keyboard... I think ive just been typing on the HTC_IME keyboard for way too long that my muscle memory has been trained to it. I keep screwing up with the vanialla keyboard. Also the spell correct doesn't seem to work as well as it does the HTC keyboard. I have no vibration or sound, as well as no key preview to try and cut back on lag.
It seems that the actual spell correction is what is lagging the keyboard down so bad. If I turn off all spell correct/auto complete it seems to be much snappier.
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it sounds like compcache is working
So is the memory increase a result of compcache compressing the data to the ramz swap space? Or the opposite? Ive been reading on google code about compcache and of course, I cant wrap my redneck head around it.
I seem to def. like this better than autokiller. ROMs with autokiller seem to kill active running apps too much, especially with the browser if there were a few flash ads on the site. It would just randomly close.
The only thing I'm doing now is going through the com.htc.resources.apk and changing the green to blue. I'm hoping its easy enough of just editing the pngs to blue. Im sure though, somewhere Im going to have to edit some xml files somewhere that have a color hex associated with it. Im just not a fan of green, and am getting sick of it hah. I like blue
is there any way you can compile a signed update that i can flash, that is exactly what you have, Fresh Toast 1.1 with no Sense and JIT enabled..?
I'd be more than happy to, if I knew how to!
I assume it would just be an update script, but i've never done that before.
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I'd be more than happy to, if I knew how to!
I assume it would just be an update script, but i've never done that before.
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Just make a nandroid of your rom.. Dont include the ext partition. And maybe delete some personal stuff. lol
You could make a nandroid.. Then boot up again, delete all personal stuff and sign out of everything. Make another nandroid (the one you can send to people). And then flash back to your nandroid of all your personal stuff back on it.
I think it would be easier to just make a tutorial as I didn't really do anything that hard. Just removed some files here, replaced some there, and re-configure some stuff.
As a matter of fact it may be easier to just zip a bunch of files, and make a batch file to do it, as pretty much everything was done through ADB.
I don't like the idea of nandroid, wouldn't want to accidents include some paid app, or risk personal data getting in there.
Actually I'm going to read up on making update zips. Sent from my HERO200 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
hey guys. i'm a very nitpicky person and there has been a few "issues" that have been ticking at me lately. i wanted to ask to see if it's an issue with my rom (OMJ v3.1 odex) or just general issues with the phone that I have to live with.
1) for a 1ghz phone, it takes FOREVER to load. i'm usually anywhere from 15 to 45 seconds on the splash screen, after which the boot animation plays and maybe 10-15 seconds after the animation ends the phone starts to load....but it goes into the lock screen, and i have to unlock it, and then a million things start opening up, so that from screen off to fully loaded and ready to make a phone call the phone takes at least 1 minute, sometimes close to 2 minutes.
EDIT: just timed it - 45 seconds on splash screen, 25 seconds from end of boot animation to lock screen
i'm coming from a 667mhz WM6.1 phone that would boot, animation and all, be ready to call in 30 seconds or less.
i can live with the time it takes to load if it was normal...but then I hear things on here on how the evo loads in 8 seconds and i'm looking at mine and wondering what's wrong
is this a rom issue (OMJ v3.1 odex), kernel issue (king's #6), android (2.2), phone in general, or a result of all the different things we install on our phones (adblockers, superuser, custom flash, custom boot, etc)?
2) when the phone loads it always opens the dialer. i go back into home screen. throughout the day at least once or twice the dialer will randomly open on its own when i unlock my screen.
3) wi-fi at home is secured through wep2...but at school is unsecured to connect, but then you need to authenticate through the browser. sometimes this works, sometimes the browser (dolphin hd) just stays loading and doesnt take me to the authetication page...and the only way around is it to disable and enable wifi again. then everything is perfect.
is this a rom issue? or a dolphin hd issue?
4) I have LauncherProPlus with their custom icons from the website. whenever i restart the phone the icons for Dolphin HD, Documents to Go, MixZing and Pandora change to their standard icons. i have to restart launcherpro and they go to the matching icons i have throughout the homescreens. then at random points those three icons revert back to the stock icons, and i have to restart launcher pro.
is this a LP problem, a rom problem, or a me-specific problem?
5) perhaps the most important issue - i have problems downloading and installing certain apps in the market. I paid for lcd density changer and installed it. uninstalled it later on. now i'm trying to reinstall and I keep getting an installation unsuccesful message...same thing goes for Rom Manager (which i have installed, but installation unsuccessful with update), and many others. Some programs will update, some wont. Today I tried to download 3d gallery through the market and keep getting that issue.
this has happened with other programs in the past, where I thought maybe they werent meant for the EVO...but many of those had comments from EVO users??? and now some of those programs that wont install are programs I HAD or I HAVE installed!!!
is this a rom specific issue? or a market issue? or an odex issue? or does it have anything to do with having app2sd and move2sd enabler on the phone? none of the programs in question have been moved to the sd card...obviously not the ones like 3d gallery that I haven't yet installed.
so, thank you for reading through all that. any help in either of the issues will be greatly appreciated.
if most of the issues are rom-related i will go hunting for a new, stable rom. if they're general woes that come with owning the Evo then I guess i need to know that too.
thanks in advance!
I can't really help you much in terms of a solution, but coming from a Blackberry the EVO boot time seems very fast! However, the EVO is definitely not an 8 second loader, I don't know where you got that information.
is this a rom issue (OMJ v3.1 odex), kernel issue (king's #6), android (2.2), phone in general, or a result of all the different things we install on our phones (adblockers, superuser, custom flash, custom boot, etc)?
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This is just a guess, but I'd say it's the ROM you're using. Have you tried anything else? Make a nandroid backup of your phone now, then flash another ROM and test it out, it's easy to revert with the nandroid backup. Keep in mind the first time you load any newly flashed ROM it will take longer than normal to boot.
In my experience, stock 2.2 and all its OTA updates (and the ROM I use that is based on the latest OTA) are pretty good when it comes to boot times. Anything you install may have the potential to slow things down.
I'm currently using the VaelPak 2.2 ROM with the latest HTC kernel (no 30FPS limitation) which is very stable and very fast. VaelPak stripped out some of sense (not all) and I love how you have the choice between HTC/Sense elements or AOSP. For example, I actually like the HTC dialer, messaging, and contacts.
thanks.
i guess i'm going to have to flash a new rom...but it'll have to wait till next week!
i'll look into the different roms but i had thought of flashing CM6 since I'm not using any sense other than the dialer as far as i know
thanks
any other opinions are welcome!
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4) I have LauncherProPlus with their custom icons from the website. whenever i restart the phone the icons for Dolphin HD, Documents to Go, MixZing and Pandora change to their standard icons. i have to restart launcherpro and they go to the matching icons i have throughout the homescreens. then at random points those three icons revert back to the stock icons, and i have to restart launcher pro.
is this a LP problem, a rom problem, or a me-specific problem?
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Are all of those apps saved on your SD Card? I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
yes all four apps are in the sd card. i was using pandora and plugged the phone in to my pc to try to install that 3dgallerym.apk i found on here. pandora stopped (i'm assuming as the sd card was unmounted). after unplugging and the card was remounted i was able to open pandora again...but then the 4 icons had reverted again.
i'm starting to think that is a lp issue. i'll send a message to the developer see what he says about it.
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i'm starting to think that is a lp issue. i'll send a message to the developer see what he says about it.
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FYI they have their own forum. You should see if it has already been answered there.
http://www.launcherpro.com/forum/
The boot up taking so long is do to custom roms being deodexed.. It puts the odex file into the apks so that you can theme a rom without any problems. Stock roms arent deodexed so they boot up a lot faster. Its the only downside to deodexing a rom.
Also you should try to start fresh.. wipe data and dalvik and reboot. Then see if you have a problems with downloading and stuff. It might be cache left on the phone messing it up. If a clean data/dalvik wipe doesnt fix your problems then its most likely the rom or user error. Try a different rom for couple weeks and see if you come across the same problems.
My rom is odexed...
Im going to try cm6 next week most likely...
Swyped from an HTC Evo on MetroPCS...
First off, are you running a task killer or manager? If so, uninstall and reboot. A lot of the time this is the source of problems. Android manages its own tasks quite well. I can go into a lot more details if you'd like about why you shouldn't use one.
If not using a task killer or that did not help....
I say try Fresh ROM or Myn's Warm. Fresh is very stable. I think you may have a corrupt download of the ROM. However, since you are using LP you don't seem like a Sense UI person so CM6 may be your option. However, it does not have 4G nor HDMI. Personally, I love Fresh ROM. The dev came from the Hero like me and has a very very good track record for being stable and fixing things. And he is a cool guy.
Install one of those and then post back if you still have problems. I think this will fix it.
BTW did you flash from another ROM and use a backup app to restore? This can cause problems with ROMs that have different settings and options.
As for boot times, like the earlier guy said deodexed ROMs do extra stuff while booting. Also, lots of apps can cause slow boots because they start up on boot. You can use an app to disable them.
And last, app not installing. Hit menu-settings-applications-manage applications. Hit the SD tab and see if those apps show up. If so, click on them and uninstall. This will most like fix that issue.
Post back results here or if you need further help. We will be glad to help.
-Ken
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Pandora has always been glitchy. Its a great service, but they need a new programmer.
8 second phone. I think not. Try the Desire Z (G2), their version of Froyo looks faster.
If your new to the EVO, give it some time. Its a smartphone, and anyone with experience knows that all smartphones are temperamental some times, just like computers.
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Pandora has always been glitchy. Its a great service, but they need a new programmer.
8 second phone. I think not. Try the Desire Z (G2), their version of Froyo looks faster.
If your new to the EVO, give it some time. Its a smartphone, and anyone with experience knows that all smartphones are temperamental some times, just like computers.
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i've been on the evo for a little over a month now getting into it hard...i've learned too much too quickly...but yeah i definitely see the "like computers" temperamental issues at times.
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First off, are you running a task killer or manager? If so, uninstall and reboot. A lot of the time this is the source of problems. Android manages its own tasks quite well. I can go into a lot more details if you'd like about why you shouldn't use one.
not using any task manager. used to have advanced task killer but someone else recommended uninstalling it before.
If not using a task killer or that did not help....
I say try Fresh ROM or Myn's Warm. Fresh is very stable. I think you may have a corrupt download of the ROM. However, since you are using LP you don't seem like a Sense UI person so CM6 may be your option. However, it does not have 4G nor HDMI. Personally, I love Fresh ROM. The dev came from the Hero like me and has a very very good track record for being stable and fixing things. And he is a cool guy.
im considering CM6 because i barely use any sense apps. mainly flashlight, clock and htc lockscreen. i'm on metropcs so i cant use 4G and i dont have a HDTV so no need for HDMI
Install one of those and then post back if you still have problems. I think this will fix it.
BTW did you flash from another ROM and use a backup app to restore? This can cause problems with ROMs that have different settings and options.
have not done that...and now i know not to do it when i change roms.
As for boot times, like the earlier guy said deodexed ROMs do extra stuff while booting. Also, lots of apps can cause slow boots because they start up on boot. You can use an app to disable them.
And last, app not installing. Hit menu-settings-applications-manage applications. Hit the SD tab and see if those apps show up. If so, click on them and uninstall. This will most like fix that issue.
well the problem is 1) if the app is in my sd card, i dont need to uninstall it, just move it to the phone and then i can update it. but i have over 100 apps installed, it is not practical to do this for every update for every app! 2)some apps, like LCD Density Changer, which I paid and had installed before, wont install at all and i dont have it installed...so what there?
Post back results here or if you need further help. We will be glad to help.
-Ken
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i think i'm definitely changing roms....just have to consider if i want to get a stock rom or go to cm6
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I say try Fresh ROM or Myn's Warm. Fresh is very stable. I think you may have a corrupt download of the ROM. However, since you are using LP you don't seem like a Sense UI person so CM6 may be your option. However, it does not have 4G nor HDMI.
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The OP's sig says he has his EVO on MetroPCS; if that's the case then lack of 4G shouldn't be a concern.
That's the only real thing keeping me from trying CM6, even though there are only a few pockets of 4G coverage where I live.
Well I switched roms to ava v9 and some of the issues seem to have gone away...but still having problems installing apps from market...many if the apps and games I had before on my previous rom give an installation unsuccessful message...
Im thinking it may be something I damaged by installing htc and sprint apps right after flashing the rom...I'm going to restore all those files and see what happens...
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I find Sense is a resource hog... I mean a real hungry hog on this at$t Tilt2 and their latest rom. Read in a few other posts where I'm not the only one that experiences this. gwes.exe grows and grows and grows....and memory just will not release when closing programs. The phone comes to a crawl, down to 20mb left of memory, phone starts closing programs on its own so no multi tasking….time to restart. Even then, there is over FORTYmb of memory difference between running it over Windows default! I don’t even have to open any programs, just navigate Sense’s menus and memory drops like a rock!
Trying Mobile Shell now and the difference is night and day. Sense IMO is still a better looking, more intuitive interface. Mobile Shell is too complicated and over down. Great features there, but too much IMO. But it looks like I gotta stick with SPB Mobile Shell because my phone is so unreliable with Sense running, and it runs like it is suppose to with Mobile Shell.
OK... rant over...
Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.
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Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.
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I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
I am using Cookies, and the icon pack. Found they do not effect Sense's appetite for memory. With or without those two, Sense will gobble 40mb regardless. And cause gwes.exe to grow from there.
I've also noticed my battery life is 'about' 25% better with Sense turned off.
True. I experience the same thing. But you have to remember why it's there in the first place. Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. And we can both agree, HTC did a good job with the sense. I myself was on a 1st Gen Samsung Omnia before i got my HTC TP2, and that was with a stock WiMo and only included stuff like a dial-app, and a mp3 player and stuff like that. Everything else including SMS was done directly in WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
That being said, there is stuff HTC or Developers here could do:
Isolate the biggest RAM-Sink. You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)* And try to find out why they continuesly take up more and more ram and try to fix it.
Split up sense so different tasks are handled by different applications, which after you are done can be killed with easy to save RAM(Composing Email/SMS, Weather Check, Contactlist, Music player, ETC ETC.) I know some of this is already done, but there more could be done more.
Work on how do decrease RAM usage for different parts of Sense. Maybe even contact some Developers from this community or other communities(A_C of S2 would be a great place to start)
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"Gwes is the Graphical Windowing and Event Subsystem. It’s one little program that draws all the controls on the device like scrollbars, buttons, and checkboxes. It also handles passing window messages back and forth between applications and manages the WndProcs of all of the programs on the device that are displaying UI."
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The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621800
http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...8000-modaco-com/318725/free-up-even-more-ram/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7937478&postcount=16392
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914
To disable the start menu, use one of Arto's Start Menu Remove cabs.
To restore your start menu use one of Hayami's Start Menu Restore cabs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7690749&postcount=43
Use the ControPanel_shotcuts download to activate Settings in QuickMenu.
I start up with 94MB Ram on a Tilt 2 with dozens of apps installed, and it's typically at 75MB after a week.
goncrack said:
You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)*
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I am already familiar with gwes.exe. Been in the WinMo world long enough to know by now it is part of the OS.
goncrack said:
WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
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I don't mind a resource hog myself, makes for faster operation... if... you have enough resources to go around. But this phone just doesn't have enough memory to multitask with Sense running too.
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Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. )
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I would agree, or better yet, Sense is an effort to make some of the WinMo apps finger friendly and intuitive. For the most part they succeded. I would take exception to some, like Contact editing. While their contact editor is FF, I still find myself clicking the more button to enter data, and back to WinMo's contact editor it goes.
Edit: and another waste IMO, is the drop-down menus. I like the look and feel of the WinMo menus better.
rete said:
The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
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Thanks for the links, time for some more reading.
Sometimes I wish I could just be a noob tho... have someone hold my hand and guide me... step... by... step.
Quickmenu was mentioned above. One user, colossus_r has gone the extra mile and included all the settings in his version of Quickmenu. I used to use his version before NRGZ28 started cooking it into his ROMs.
If you do decide to use any version of QuickMenu, it would behoove you to increase the distance between the items in the menu. This give a better look to the menu as well as making it more finger-friendly. Do do this (after installing everything, of course), bring up Quickmenu, and tap QuickMenu > Option > View tab, and then set Menu item edge to 16.
Bookmarking this.
I know the problem you speak of, and my solution was to use cleanRAM.exe. Great little program, you can choose how "deep" it cleans, is fast, and it does the job quite well. After a run, it has brought RAM usage down to ~%50, or about 90mb, with Sense on. It's the one program I brought over from my old Q9, and I'm glad I did.
I really liked Sense/TF3D (or what ever you call it), till I tried to run 3rd party apps. A few games would not even run, others would start after a few min.
NFS shift will not even run with it running but, with Sense turned off, it runs fine on my TP2... Stock rom (well, Mr. X's fixed stock rom), with no Sense (just 6.5) I will boot up my phone with 90mb+ free.
It's just too bad that apps don't run right under it..or I would use it.
Without flashing a custom rom your limited... however if you download the htcAddicts.com cleanRam and run it after you open and close 2 or more apps, you will find it will free up alot of memory as your correct the stock sense rom leaks and uses memory like a monster.. Hope ya try this im sure you'll be pleased.
The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.
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The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.
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If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
QuickMenu is a favorite of mine. There are several Start Menu replacements, though. NRGZ28 has 5 options cooked into the Energy ROMs.
Also, check \Windows\Start Up folder to see what you can remove from there. The stock TMoUS ROMs were easy to clean up that way.
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If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
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Working on that option this week to see how it works.
I haven't done a hard reset yet either and started over. I normally install apps and tweak a lot after installing a new rom, then hard reset and only install/tweak what I liked. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.
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I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
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I was the same way with my old tilt, roms,roms and more roms ..then i got the new tilt2 , kept it stock for the first year , i played with several add-on's even had Mobile Shell which i loved but the phone was a bit too laggy, i then bit the bullet this past month and installed the lastest rom upgrade from AT&T reinstalled Mobile Shell , still was not happy about performance, so I finally broke down Hspld and then found basically a stock rom with all the garbage removed.. .wowsers finally it was fast and stable with Mobile Shell (disliked sense) . So what i am getting at, is to go ahead and make the plunge unlock it flash the simplest rom ....I am a business user so my phone is very important to me in keeping my wallet supplied with greenbacks..
the biggest reason i like Mobileshell is it is easy to use and has as many favorite people that i want listed...have about twenty manufacturers on the that page ..
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. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.
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Not much of a difference, the boatware kills the upgrade..not really worth it IMO
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Ok look as much as I do agree with you that on a stock rom with very little fixes and alterations the sense ui may take up tons of memory. BUT!!!!!! On a custom rom with minor adjustments it works great, I use it to on a day to day bases with the energy rom and it completely keeps up with me. Battery life is great I get live update for e-mails, use it to do some research on the net and i utilize all that sense brings together. In other words all I'm really trying to say is, HTC made a great job consolidating all these tools that we use on a day to day bases into a single ui. If u were to run individual programs to do everything that sense brings together, ur phone would be as slow as Forest Gump from lack of memory.
Try flashing EnergyROM! NGRZ added some different start menu options than can save 20-30 mbs or ram, it makes using SenseUI snappy!
Was wondering if this was possible on our hd2s?
I like all the htc skins parts in android (dialer, text, browser, general theme) but want launcher pro instead on the sense home screen.
I use taskiller but the sense stuff always comes back. I did a search and found this on the evo forum. Sounds good, would it mess the phone? Or not work at all?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769525
worst case scenario is that you have to start your android build again.
no danger of bricking the phone anyway......
id try it but id want sense back after 10 mins.....
what im wondering is why dont you just run a non sense android build?
was trying to get it working, but unsure how to run it? its a zip file which contains loads of other files that i cant run?
I use ADW launcher with MDJ Froyo 1.1 Matt with no problems as my default launcher and that is a sense build, it actualy runs a little smoother in my opinion.
I use Launcher Pro on top of Sense (see my build and pic below). It is fantastic. I recommend purchasing the full, as well as purchasing Beautiful Widgets (both from the market).
Fantastic custom screen and faster movement.
woks well, but with froyo I am always fighting for a bit of ram. If froyo is your type of build then launcher pro is recommended. You can still launch the radio via programs
Install your launcher of choice from the market/apk and when you click the home button you'll get a pop-up asking which one you'd like to use (sense/your other launcher). click the box saying "always use this choice" and select your launcher. Sense will close, your launcher will open and that's it, done.
You can change your option later if you regret it in your system settings.
So, what your saying is that it doesnt matter? Its just when using taskiller i see the services restarting all the time...
I'm not saying it won't stop the services from starting all the time (there's probably a way round that as well, although I've not bothered looking) but the services shouldn't use much ram anyway, and they're responsible for other background tasks, not just the graphical front end.
Yeah, I dont want to stop it all...just certain parts. Im unsure how to run the file which i posted up on the original post...any ideas? I would like to try it as it sounds ideal (you might like the sound of it yourself)
I don't think I would run that file with these builds. Go download a Nexus build if you really want no Sense. Otherwise, some files run, but take so little space it is incidental.
For example HTC Sense takes a several MB's when running as your home screen. Using Launcher Pro as default home causes that number to drop to 48kb...almost nothing.
And I would get Home Switcher from the market in case you change your mind later or need to access Sense.
So...just to confirm I cannot get rid of the sense launcher...but keep:
taskbar
dialer
skinned browser
general theme throughout
It it honestly just me that wants this haha!
fracmo2000 said:
So...just to confirm I cannot get rid of the sense launcher...but keep:
taskbar
dialer
skinned browser
general theme throughout
It it honestly just me that wants this haha!
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I would be nice to know how to flash that file uploaded in the evo forum..
Anyone knows how to dit it and ill give it a try
I tried, but dont know how...can any expert look at my original post and see?
Other parts of the xda forum ask for this...but here im told to use either sense or froyo...i want the best of both.