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Hero Lag

does anybody have a major problem with hero lagging. It is really annoying. I was wondering if rooting the hero can fix this problem. If not do you guys think the 2.1 update will fix it.

What ROM are you running? What apps do you normally have running in the background? Are you using a Task Killer that automatically kills apps on a set time frame? Have you tried doing a factory reset/wipe to see if it makes a difference? And finally, where do you see the lag the most? Is it in a particular application, or are you judging the "lagginess" based on moving back and forth from your home screens in SenseUI?
Answering ALL of these questions will help us understand what you're seeing a little better. Your question is a little vague, and your answers will probably help you get some more support from folks on here.
Thanks!

My phone was laggy too. I rooted it and put the fresh rom on it and I saw a big improvement in overall performance. Still not as fast as my old iphone 3gs, but I would never go back. I also don't use task manager anymore. It always runs in the background and drains your battery faster.

I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..

tyrnight said:
I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..
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Yeah handcent killed me, made the phone not just a dog, but a wounded dog born with 2 legs. 10x worse than the stock hero app, which is bad.

I'm running handcent, but I haven't noticed any specific slowdowns from it. It can take a while to load the main handcent screen when you have lots and lots of texts in there, but I usually clear them out when I get over 100 or so anyway.

Check to see that you have the most recent version of Handcent. I think I read that there was a performance bug related to their special "with Christmas animations" holiday release (that has since been fixed).
Also, remember to clear the boot-cache directory and reboot after upgrading apps ('rm -r /data/boot-cache/*'; reboot). The Hero has problems with caching apps after upgrades (so you aren't actually running the upgrade version). I have no idea if this was fixed in the newer ROMS. I'm running Fresh and still do it, as it only takes a sec (if you have the android-sdk and root set up).

Turning off HandCent popup notifications resulted in a substantial performance increase for me. Which is good, as I really like the features HC adds (such as voice-to-text).

I had the latest version and it was always cleared out sms wise. and I never used popup notifications.. they were annoying.. and I just got a fresh replacement of the Hero (warrantee) and its still on stock rom and Handcent still killed it.. in one day..

i have not rooted, pure stock phone. only app i think runs in background is email and loopt
I notice the lag from everything to sense UI to the clock taking 2-3 secs to update to my contacts scrolling, to text message lag, to calling even lags. like anything and everything can lag.

It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.

on your location settings turn off "network location" then reboot..your lag will be gone...and make sure you have a task manager installed too and end your apps so they take over your processor

Task managers are a waste of time.

Sawawa said:
Task managers are a waste of time.
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I agree with this statement.

Sawawa said:
It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.
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This is very true. I was running the 2.1 build from here the last few days (thought I had to revert due to missing some texts and voicemail) and it's much speedier. It uses the HTC keyboard, but it's much faster in its response, almost instantaneous. The location bug really does suck up a lot of CPU time.
Also, maybe its just me, but I think it's important to remember the kind of device we're using, the hardware involved, and what you're asking it to do. It's not like you're walking around with a quad core CPU and 4GB of RAM in your pocket, but it seems a lot of people think it should respond as if that's what it has. It's a phone, yes, and it should be able to do phone stuff quickly if possible, but look at all it can and is doing. If you need absolute speed, get a dumb phone that can't browse the web, play games, or do just about anything. It'll run just fine.

handcent never made my phone lag. The only thing that made my phone lag was HTC's battery widget. Damn thing slowed my phone down so I uninstalled it and phone is running back fast again. I still use task manager because I do notice once to many apps are open it lags. Don't care what anyone says it happens on my phone. I do have a lot of applications on ignore though.

Try disabling Location services.

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I agree with this statement.
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I used to wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, until I read a kickass article explaining how Android actively manages memory.
Now, I also agree with this statement 100%. I don't even use my paid task manager app anymore. :/

[Q] Lack of RAM - any solutions? HTC DZ

I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?

setspeed said:
I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?
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Try using firefox instead on the defualt browser .its not perfect yet but its getting
better and better with every beta release .

I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?

Another possibility is to set the Android memory manager to be less aggressive in removing things from memory (you can use an app like AutoKiller to change the settings easily---try tweaking the settings to see if helps with your usage model).
I know AutoKiller will also allow you to lower the oom value for the process (the lower the oom, the less likely the memory manager will kill it in the background), but I don't think this will help for the browser (since the OS will dynamically change its oom each time you bring it to the foreground and send it to the background again). If someone knows a way to make the oom value permanently lower, that sounds like exactly what you want.
Maybe someone else has some ideas. I know often times launchers will have the option to keep themselves in memory, and CM6 has the option to keep messaging in memory (more like your situation), so it should be doable.

setspeed said:
I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?
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defo ,its much better now i figured since you were annoyed by 4 tab limit
you might find firefox helpful. because it doesnt have limit or if it does its more than 4 for sure also it has an aption called (your tabs from last time) which again i think
you will find it usefull ,you can also sync it with you pcs firefox too .
EDIT: I just tried it to make sure, even if you reboot your phone
and open firefox again you can just press on (your tabs from last time)
and it will restore them all.

The way I see it there are a few things you can do...
Firstly, you could try a renice script. It does what other people have suggested and changes the oomph value to what you like. It was commonly used on the g1 for the dialer so that you wouldn't miss phone calls lol. Its easy to do if you know the syntax, I would make you one myself if I was near a computer lol.
Another thing you could do is try an aosp/CM based rom, as those generally have much, much lower ram usage compared to sense.
Lastly you could try a different browser. There are so many to choose from I'm sure one will fit your needs.
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I use autokiller on my DZ, you have to have root to use this tho... quite satisfied about it, almost all the time 90+ free ram even when doing heavy stuff... quits the unused shizzle...
cheers

I HIGHLY recommend Dolphin Browser HD.
It is significantly faster than the stock Browser and I have had no issues with Android closing it down. One feature I like is that there is actually an 'Exit' button in the menu for those individuals who have OCD like me and don't like the Browser running in the background when not wanted.
Thus far, this is the best mobile Browser I have used. That being said, I have not tried Firefox and have been a regular user of Opera Mini in the past on other devices.

You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
cheers

I think its more of poorly optimized software because im pretty sure that google devs don't even utilize the full 512mb of RAM in 2.2. Chances are its the HTC sense limiting you.
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Yeah I don't think this issue is anything to do with a lack of RAM.

I may try another ROM, however I'm just not up for flashing all the time like I used to with my old Desire or G1 before that. I want a 100% working ROM, preferably something that allows overclocking with a kernel that doesn't break stuff.
And I also want my HTC phone dialler/contacts as well, not vanilla or a cheap copy from the Market. Oh, and I hate the vanilla lockscreen - it's just hard to operate compared to the Sense one. I don't know why it's so hard to unlock side to side on Android - the iPhone takes a little flick and it's unlocked - vanilla Android is like a mission to ensure I've dragged it far enough across to unlock.
And I don't want my keyboard or capacitive keys or quick keys mullered up (I am running a Euro DZ).
If these issues can be dealt with easily when setting up the ROM/phone then I'm prepared to devote a little time to doing it.
So - any suggestions, please?

dont use htc sense roms.

I'm running the virtuous sense rom with his advanced kernel, ive ran the normal rom about 2 weeks, and ive yet to see differences other then a huuuuuuuge speed increase... i would just try it once if i were you its such a relieve...

I played with the latest over the weekend. I ended up uninstalling it. I'd hit a page with scripting and then firefox would lock up and crash.
Web2Go isn't perfect, but at least it doesn't crash as often.

This has nothing to do with RAM. This phone handles RAM just fine. Use Miren and thank me later. It's the best browser by far!

mr.boonet said:
You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
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No text reflow = showstopper.
Unless I'm just being blind, I can't find any way to enable this in the settings for Miren.

It's sense. Sense roms use way more RAM than vanilla roms do. Also check out dolphin HD or dolphin mini browser.

Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.

setspeed said:
Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.
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I've now installed Enomther's Official rom - what a difference to the speed of the phone! It absolutely flies, even when clocked at a lower CPU speed, and it appears to retain stuff in memory a lot better than the standard Sense rom. Also, there's over 100MB more of free RAM afte a fresh boot.
I'm definitely sold on the efficiency of stock Android, but I'm now missing some of my HTC goodies... I don't think anyone can deny that the HTC dialler is a different level to the rudimentary Android one. And I am missing my HTC browser - that seems a bit smoother, and the text reflow is more reliable, the stock browser seems a bit temperamental on that front.
Other than that, I can live without all the other Sense stuff. So my next question is, can the dialler and browser be installed on my new rom? Do they have any dependencies which would prevent me using them? How would I go about ripping the apps from the HTC rom? I'm an ADB noob so I need some kind expert to tell me how

*** Galaxy Tab Master Tweak Thread***

Hi everyone.
Id like to start a thread where we collect, post and discuss all known individual tweaks and changes that can be made to the Galaxy Tab in order to gain performance and stability.
My experience with the Galaxy Tab has been similar to my latest phone, an HTC HD2. When I got the HD2 about one year ago, I positively hated it... slow, unstable, all sorts of problems, lags, crashes... its the way most of the hardware today is released. One year later, my HD2 has become the most amazing machine I've ever owned. From pushing it 1.6GHz stable, to tweaking registry, XML files, services and making everything work well. I remember not being able to watch smooth video on the HD2 to being able to watch flawlessly 720p content and going from the extreme of detesting the phone to loving it.
It was with the HD2 I discovered Android and fell in love with it. Since I have now two HD2s I have one with an SD ROM version of Gingerbread (that I can dual boot still from Windows Mobile) and a Froyo NAND. I run Android on the HD2 much much much faster and smoother than on the Galaxy Tab, that I also hated when I bought it a few weeks and that am starting to like after getting to know it, a new ROM, apps, etc. Even at 1GHz stock the HD2 with Froyo is vastly faster, smoother, more responsive and better to use. The approach d like to do as far as tweaking the Galaxy Tab is the same as I did for the HD2 with Windows Mobile, that is, install the best/fastest ROM I can, delete and remove all stuff I don't need and then tweak what's left.
The tweaks I've done so far on the Galaxy are simple but have made a huge difference. Id like with this thread to be able to collect individual tweaks and post them all here to share with everyone.
Im using Roto JMI Pre-Rooted Firmware v2 which was the main step after getting rid of the stock Samsung Rom that is nothing but a collection of problems.
The first thing I learned with this Tab is that WHATEVER IS ON YOUR HOME SCREENS THAT MOVES, IS BAD! Forget about having ANY type of apps or widgets that do any type of refresh, including stuff running on the upper task bar if they change icons or the move around… that mean a CPU cycle and refresh each time and there goes the tab's performance and battery life. The same goes for any type of Live Wallpaper. Beautiful but deadly. Never touch them!
- So, after a new ROM, the first thing I did was changing the file system to EXT4. This is the SINGLE BEST THING you can do to radically improve the performance of the Tab. Its extremely easy to do and the step-by-step instructions are as follow:
- Make sure you have an miniSD Card in with plenty of available space (it will be used automatically to backup your system during the conversion process)
- Get p1000-mck-r3-ext4-cwm.tar (the EXT4 Conversion Kernel)
- Connect the Tab in Downloading Mode to your PC via USB, start Odin3 1.7 and load the Kernel (click on the PDA button and select the p1000-mck-r3-ext4-cwm.tar and make sure PDA stays ticked after selecting the file).
- UNTICK Re-Partition check box and make sure the only boxes ticked are:
Auto Reboot
F. Reset Time
The PDA tickbox
- Click start and wait for PASS! (it will show highlighted green or Yellow on Odin)
- Now the Tab will restart and get stuck on the Samsung loading screen. This is normal. Turn it off by holding the power button for 5 seconds.
- Turn on the Tab again on into RECOVERY mode (Press Volume UP and Power On at the same time) and the EXT4 conversion will start automatically. The process will take up to one hour depending on how much stuff you have on your Tab. It took about 10 minutes on mine because I have a fresh install of Roto JMI v2.
- Once finished, click "Reboot System Now" (by pressing the power button).
- The reboot may take a while first time so be patient!
- Done!
- After that, the first tweak I did was to get rid of all my favorite widgets that moved around… net meter, news, weather and all these beautiful things KILL the Tab. Equally I had a CPU meter on the tray refreshing every 2 seconds and it took me a while to figure out that was the reason why every 2 seconds the system would stutter, whether watching a movie or browsing the web. So, out!
- Next was to install SetCPU under the ON DEMAND setting, minimum around 750MHz and maximum 1000MHz (unfortunately only with a custom Kernel you can go higher, currently up to 1.4GHz but not full stable and with lots of issues pending so I don’t recommend it)
- My following step was to get rid of the stock Samsung Homescreen (that is a resource hog and slow as hell) and replace it with a new one. I've tried them all and am making no recommendation here but the one that works for me and is by far the best IMO is LauncherPro. This single app makes using the Tab a whole better experience.
- Next was to disable the USELESS and (resource pig) Gallery and replace it with an app called QuickPic that is blazing fast (actually instant) and simply amazing to browse and view all media on the Tab.
- Next was to greatly improve the poor native GPS reception by replacing high performance files and drivers from the Orange Rom P1000JHKA1 that seems to work on all versions of the Tab, as originally posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922692
- With SystemApp Remover 4.12 I have disabled all system apps and services I don’t need (BE VERY CAREFUL AND DON'T REMOVE ROM APPS YOU WILL NEED). I have actually deleted some from ROM (Root access required of course), this includes useless stuff like STK Service starting every time, most of the Samsung stuff that I really don’t care for and just about all apps I know for sure I will never open a single time. Now, its important to understand if these apps are removed they will be removed PERMANENTLY from ROM so to get the back a hard reset will not be enough, you'll have to fully flash the ROM again. For most system apps I don’t use but am not sure, I use a different option and that is to simply disable them. In my case this includes all Bluetooth stuff (I never use it and even if it's off the Services are still running robbing performance and memory) and apps like the built-in Browser, Email and Messaging that suck and that I replaced with better apps. Its always a safer bet, at least initially to disable the apps you don’t need that uninstall them because at least you can go back and change your mind This is one area where Id like to learn more. There are many background services that I don’t know what they do and if they can be disabled or not. If someone knows what each one does and the safety of getting rid of them OR NOT, it would be great to post it here!
- Them, with Startup Auditor 2.3.2 I have disabled all unnecessary apps that start automatically every time the Tab boots so I don't have excess applications starting up that are not needed. Some I configured to be killed AGAIN if the system tries to restart them later after the boot-up
- Using Task Manager 1.0.7 and letting always run on background, I have configured all apps that I don’t need running to be auto-killed every time the phone goes to stand-by (screen off). This saves me lots of memory and CPU time on apps that I am actually not using.
- Finally, I monitor what is going on with an app called CPU Usage Timeliness Free 1.7.1.0 and use it to see EXACTLY which applications are using CPU cycles and interfering with performance. With it I have found that on my Tab I have an unsolved problem that is using over 100MB of memory and non-stop CPU usage between 15% and 45% of something called SECURITY STORAGE. I have no idea what it does. It can't be disabled and I don’t know where all the activity comes from. If someone know more about this and how to fix it, that will be great. Most of the performance issues I have on my Tab come from this Service that I don’t know how to tame. Surely, we can find a solution.
The system background services is one area where I'd like to know one by one, what each service does and if we need them or not, if it can be tweaked, disabled or deleted. Below is a complete list of the services I have safely disabled so far that have given me great performance boosts and with no negative issues on the system (IN BOLD), and OTHERS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT (not bold). Please note these are background services that start automatically. The changes made to the disabled apps/services is that they are reverted to ON-DEMAND so they all still work perfectly.
CALENDAR
CALENDAR STORAGE
COM. SEC.ANDROID.PROVIDERS.DOWNLOADS
CSC
DOWNLOAD MANAGER
DRM CONTENT
EMAIL
GALLERY
GOOGLE PARTNER SETUP
GOOGLE SERVICES FRAMEWORK
MARKET
MEDIA STORAGE
MESSAGING
MUSIC
SAMSUNG ACCOUNT
SERVICE MODE
SNS
WIPEOUT RECEIVER
WORLD CLOCK
Furthermore I uninstalled several of the Samsung Apps I don’t use and STK Service and disabled these system Apps I don’t use (YOU SHOULD CHOOSE THE ONES YOU WANT TO ENABLE OR DISABLE AS YOU MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS):
All Bluetooth Services
All LiveWallpapers Services
Browser
CarHomeGoogle
CarHomeLauncher
Google Feedback
Screen Capture Service
Voice Search
Originally with my Tab I was getting Quadrant below 600 on average. Now, its always over 1900. This is not a "little" improvement, this is amazing upgrading. But id like this to be a starting point to learn and share more ways with everyone we can all share on things we can do to make the Tab as good as it was intended to be for everyone
Cheers!

1.4 oc is stable, and doesn't have any issues for alot of users.
all the things you disabled are all the things i use every day lol
never the less, good post, im going to use a couple apps you mentioned.

natious said:
1.4 oc is stable, and doesn't have any issues for alot of users.
all the things you disabled are all the things i use every day lol
never the less, good post, im going to use a couple apps you mentioned.
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The first block of disabled items (in bold) from CALENDAR to WORLD CLOCK are disabled start-ups but the apps works as usual. It just frees resources not required on boot till you actually start the application when you want.
The second block from Bluetooth Services to Voice Search are all disabled as I use none of those. Items disabled can be restarted again at any time upon activating them follwing a reboot, while items deleted (like Samsung Apps and STK) are gone forever.
Ive never flashed a ModaCo Kernel and got lots of feedback regarding probelms with 1.4OC. Do you have any issues at all or none? We are using different ROMs... What Quadrant do you get currently?
Cheers

Thank you for your post.
You have solved many of my questions. Also I am User of HD2 and had the same impressions, but now with Android Nand everything was great, also started to love it.
As for GTAB'll make those adjustments you suggested, some will not disable because I use Bluetooth as an example.
Any news please keep posting.
Success!

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The first block of disabled items (in bold) from CALENDAR to WORLD CLOCK are disabled start-ups but the apps works as usual. It just frees resources not required on boot till you actually start the application when you want.
The second block from Bluetooth Services to Voice Search are all disabled as I use none of those. Items disabled can be restarted again at any time upon activating them follwing a reboot, while items deleted (like Samsung Apps and STK) are gone forever.
Ive never flashed a ModaCo Kernel and got lots of feedback regarding probelms with 1.4OC. Do you have any issues at all or none? We are using different ROMs... What Quadrant do you get currently?
Cheers
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So far the oc is good, things load a little faster, especially nfs shift. Last run of quadrant was 2300-2400.
Ill try it again later after these optimizations and see how it goes, a member here has gotten 3000.

Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.

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Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.
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flash modacos kernel and rom, convert to ext4, you'll be amazed.
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In startup auditor i just checked disable all, and am not having any problems, unless you are using task manager to disable
...CALENDAR
CALENDAR STORAGE...
edit: But when i check advanced task killer, it still shows that all the disabled apps are running

dubie76 said:
Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.
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I agree. The process of flashing the Galaxy is much more dauting than anything on the HD2. I suggest you do the EXT4 file converstion. All you need is follow the step by step I wrote above. It makes a huge difference. As for everything else, I too hold off to do too much flashing. The ROM I use now is great and lighter than stock but your seems to work well so keep it. For me when a ROM is good I just use it. When I bought the HD2 I flashed it 2 times with a custom ROM till i found one that worked for me and kept it for 8 months. But backing up and restoring WinMo is much easier... on Androind its all more complicated if you dont know what you are doing. Disable some start-ups on your unit, convert the file system to EXT4 and make sure you have nothing on your home screen doing a lot of refreshing and your tab will work great

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flash modacos kernel and rom, convert to ext4, you'll be amazed.
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In startup auditor i just checked disable all, and am not having any problems, unless you are using task manager to disable
...CALENDAR
CALENDAR STORAGE...
edit: But when i check advanced task killer, it still shows that all the disabled apps are running
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Is everything working 100% on that ROM? I do not want any ROMS that are having problems.

I too am not impressed with anything that us out yet...seems like any ROM process is tedious and complicated.
Glad the thread starter modified his tab to his liking, but what's the point of having it if you need to drastically change everything. I have a rooted DInc and not use any of things......didn't really see a performance gain with set CPU.
I'm going to continue waiting for something more reliable and use my tab the way it was meant to be, with all its hardware and widgets.
dubie76 said:
Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.
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dubie76 said:
Is everything working 100% on that ROM? I do not want any ROMS that are having problems.
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Sure is, I use my tab as a phone replacement so I had to have everything work, you will be waiting eons for a decent update from samsung
Sent from my Galaxy Tab of awsomeness

AlpineM3 said:
I too am not impressed with anything that us out yet...seems like any ROM process is tedious and complicated.
Glad the thread starter modified his tab to his liking, but what's the point of having it if you need to drastically change everything. I have a rooted DInc and not use any of things......didn't really see a performance gain with set CPU.
I'm going to continue waiting for something more reliable and use my tab the way it was meant to be, with all its hardware and widgets.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
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How are you not impressed if you haven't tried anything?
Sent from my Galaxy Tab of awsomeness

Thank you for your detailed post. While I agree with you that the stock SGT rom and browser suck but where do you think the JMI, JMF, JMx ROMs coming from?
Most ROMs I've seen (except for CM) are based from some sort of Jxx
Please keep the tweak posts going. Good stuff and thanks!

natious said:
How are you not impressed if you haven't tried anything?
Sent from my Galaxy Tab of awsomeness
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Not impressed with all the problems being posted just tring to flash it, and how complex it is to do it. Guess that's what I meant. Flashing the hd2 is a very simple process. Tab is not
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My boy,
Only getting my Galaxy tomorrow but looking through threads on my favorite forum.
And guess the first one I happen into... I will follow avidly.

Hi dubie76,
Try an app called OCLF 2.0 on the Market. It is a Lag fix app for the Samsung Galaxy S which also works on the Tab.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rc.QuickFixLagFixR2
You have to install EXT2 tools and then install one click lag fix, both are done within the app.
I had this on my Tab before flashed to a custom ROM. The tab was much faster and did not have and lag compared to stock, the Quadrant score was around 1900.
Also you can uninstall the modifications in the app and easily reverse back to stock. The only disadvantage is you will loss about 800mb of internal memory (the 2Gb space), so if you don't have much space left, you will need to uninstall some apps and reinstall them once you applied the lag fix.
P.S. thanks to OP for the SystemApp Remover & Startup Auditor suggestion.

Custom ROMs?
Hi everyone!
Consider this:
The locked GTab (in standby) on an original ROM with a connected to it BT headset wakes up after replying a call from BT and can potentially have anything pressed as being in the bag due to its size...
My point is that there is NO fix for this on XDA therefore why should I expect any significant advancements from a custom ROM if such simple things cannot be fixed on Android.
My personal view is that Android is unfortunatelly not as flexible for adjustments as WinMo (i have HD2 as well with a wonderful custom Artemis ROM).
I've tried two Roto ROMs on my GT and they havent provided any noticeable enhancements in performance to my eye (perhaps some rating went up - I dont care about tech stats). I reverted to stock ROM P1000XWJMI that works as fast for a "regular user".
I am sad to resume my experience with hacking the GT as not worth it: you get serious risk of getting the GT bricked (much more complicated than with WinMo), loose the warranty and are open for instability and sudden incompatibilities with crashes.
On the third custom ROM installation attempt I was stuck on a black screen after powering on (stuck on the bootloader!) and couldnt initiate flash for multiple times. I was shocked and very nervous. Thats when the stock ROM saved my ass and I am not willing the risk of playing around any more with non-firmware ROMs for Android GT.
Regarding the alternative screen lockers available - please do not suggest Screen Suite (the best of the worst) and things like No-Lock (to get rid of the original locker) as they all mess up once in a while (tested) with the default ROM settings and the original core locker.
PS
In my view the best thing we can and should do first of all is to COMPLAIN to SAMSUNG Tech Support and Software Developers (I did twice already).
If every one of us from theese GTab forums would do this they would definitely get faster with resolving issues.

mrbuz said:
Hi everyone!
Consider this:
The locked GTab (in standby) on an original ROM with a connected to it BT headset wakes up after replying a call from BT and can potentially have anything pressed as being in the bag due to its size...
My point is that there is NO fix for this on XDA therefore why should I expect any significant advancements from a custom ROM if such simple things cannot be fixed on Android.
My personal view is that Android is unfortunatelly not as flexible for adjustments as WinMo (i have HD2 as well with a wonderful custom Artemis ROM).
I've tried two Roto ROMs on my GT and they havent provided any noticeable enhancements in performance to my eye (perhaps some rating went up - I dont care about tech stats). I reverted to stock ROM P1000XWJMI that works as fast for a "regular user".
I am sad to resume my experience with hacking the GT as not worth it: you get serious risk of getting the GT bricked (much more complicated than with WinMo), loose the warranty and are open for instability and sudden incompatibilities with crashes.
On the third custom ROM installation attempt I was stuck on a black screen after powering on (stuck on the bootloader!) and couldnt initiate flash for multiple times. I was shocked and very nervous. Thats when the stock ROM saved my ass and I am not willing the risk of playing around any more with non-firmware ROMs for Android GT.
Regarding the alternative screen lockers available - please do not suggest Screen Suite (the best of the worst) and things like No-Lock (to get rid of the original locker) as they all mess up once in a while (tested) with the default ROM settings and the original core locker.
PS
In my view the best thing we can and should do first of all is to COMPLAIN to SAMSUNG Tech Support and Software Developers (I did twice already).
If every one of us from theese GTab forums would do this they would definitely get faster with resolving issues.
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So what if the screen goes on in your bag, unless you have a fresh finger floating around in there nothing can press any buttons on the capcitive screen, also my tab I just hit the lock button in a bt call, screen turns off phone stays on
Sent from my Galaxy Tab of awsomeness

Im so confused. I have my tab rooted and oclf 2.0. Im scoring 2200 in quadrant and.my dolphin hd browser is SO laggy. Even with flash disabled. Any ideas?

koxville said:
Im so confused. I have my tab rooted and oclf 2.0. Im scoring 2200 in quadrant and.my dolphin hd browser is SO laggy. Even with flash disabled. Any ideas?
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because quadrant doesn't mean **** in the real world, i score 2300 but thats with the 1.4 oc.
Give miren a try, tbh its the best

honeycomb has too many bugs..waiting for ICS eagerly..

I see some people saying that they want ics on their phone way more and they are fine with honeycomb, and I just can't undersrand them.
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
With all these issues, which competing products with other OS don't have, do you still think honeycombs is fine? I certainly can't wait for ICS to be delivered to our Iconia.
EDIT: I forgot to mention about tge "more" part.
Ics is mostly update for unite between tablet and apps mostly for developing more apps for tablets and phones at the same time. If you are still stuck on honeycomb, we will be stuck with very few amount of apps that present for honeycomb right now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
Thanks for listening to my rant

sw6lee said:
I see some people saying that they want ics on their phone way more and they are fine with honeycomb, and I just can't undersrand them.
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
With all these issues, which competing products with other OS don't have, do you still think honeycombs is fine? I certainly can't wait for ICS to be delivered to our Iconia.
EDIT: I forgot to mention about tge "more" part.
Ics is mostly update for unite between tablet and apps mostly for developing more apps for tablets and phones at the same time. If you are still stuck on honeycomb, we will be stuck with very few amount of apps that present for honeycomb right now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
Thanks for listening to my rant
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i dont have any of these issues. im running taboony 2.2 with richards 3.7 kernel (oc'd 1.5) and i use opera and maxthon browser.
Im guessing youre stock. But dont get your hopes up ics wont necessarily fix your bugs. it may just bring new more annoying ones along.

I don't have most of these issues myself and I'm running Kekinash's rather stock 3.2 ROM with the HoneyVillain 3.4 kernel. I'm not doing any over-clocking with the kernel either.
The only isssue i was having was the Music app problem, but resolved it by using the Music Player for Pad app, which is just night and day superior to the stock app. I would be using MPP whether I had a problem with the stock app or not.
Other than that, I'm still loving the A500 (with Honeycomb). Of course I'm interested in ICS, too, but I expect it to cause more problems than it will solve.

Can't say I've had any of these issues with mine (portrait doesn't seem as smooth, but I very very rarely use it in portrait mode anyway [only when an app forces me to] so can't really comment there..). Running latest lightspeed rom + thor's kernel, oc'd to ~1.4ghz.
Personally I'm loving honeycomb so far..
-Dave

Same here all works well.Op there is a chance you could have some rogue apps lurking in background on you

sw6lee said:
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it
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Nope, not everyone: I ain't noticing such.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
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No one really cares, so yeah... I too just replied because I'm bored and can't sleep.

ICS is basically Honeycomb for phones, not much more man..

jon-.- said:
i dont have any of these issues. im running taboony 2.2 with richards 3.7 kernel (oc'd 1.5) and i use opera and maxthon browser.
Im guessing youre stock. But dont get your hopes up ics wont necessarily fix your bugs. it may just bring new more annoying ones along.
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Opera and maxthon aren't as smooth when scrolling as stock or dolphin for pad. I tried them both. Opera is laggy especially when zooming in and out, and maxthos is just so annoying to use because of its choppiness when scrolling.

autom8r said:
ICS is basically Honeycomb for phones, not much more man..
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So you guys are saying that google will just keep the bugs as it is? I can't guarantee of course, but if google will do that, then I certainly have no faith in google anymore. Why would people buy an android device? What the hell. To root it and void warranty to use it properly or dig through the market to make the device finally usable where there are original apps wasted, or can't even get issues solved, like portrait lag, and just live with it?? Don't tell me to buy an ipad, because I already purchased this, and I don't want to sell it cheaper, and buy another device.
Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
And I dont have that many apps that may cause the system to make my tablet lag after going to home scren after running heavy task. And I know its not just my problem. I have seen other people talking about it too.
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.

sw6lee said:
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion.
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Dang. Perhaps a different rom, I dig my stock 3.2 rooted by ezterry. I do have a little lag, but I have no less than 9 widgets. If they're running maybe kill a widget or 3. Same for the live wallpapers. I'm certain that there are quite a few other things that you can do to improve performance.
I don't have an iAnything. Never will. And I have to say that you're right about the smoothness. Those suckers are pretty sweet. But I'll take my widgets, customization, live wallpapers, usb, hdmi, Flash, sdcard, and so on/so forth over that any day. And if I change my mind I'll remove those things that are slowing things down. I've tried it and the tab is like butter.
Sooo...
I wish you the very best on your (possible) upcoming iAdventure. Hate to see anyone go, and holler when you get back!

sw6lee said:
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
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Cant say about others here. But personally i am very seldom in portrait mode. Reading manga probably the only time i am in that mode, feel pretty smooth on stock browser. The only time i see any lag, is when system is switching mode. But that is to be expected, given the processor/ram and the resolution; it will take time to adjust but its barely a second.
I have dual 24" IPS monitor form dell with very high resolution, on a system running at 4Ghz/12gig ram with high end dual GFX. When i switch those monitor in portrait, even they take few sec to adjust and populate the icon on screen.
sw6lee said:
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
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Been a while i used stock keyboard. I am using Thumb Keyboard 4, it has a little lag, but only because its show possible suggestion of what you typing. And usually its just a few words behind my speed of typing. I use Dolphin browser, but i have had no problem. Also use Stock browser too. I leave link and multiple tab open on dolphin browser so i can get to them later when i have time, never had any issue so far.
sw6lee said:
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
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Had the same problem. Got the Music Folder Player (free), problem solved. And since i use headphone to listen to music, i dont really care if i can see album art and stuff. Other wise i would use stock player since the screen be on because i wanted to see album art and stuff LOL. Also got the Donate version of Folder Player, since i wanted to support the DEV.
sw6lee said:
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
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Not sure what kind of heavy task you referring to. But i can run CF-bench, then switch to home when its done and have no lag at all... Or you can give some example of Heavy task you running, so i can test it on my system too.
I am running Stock 3.2 just modified for Root (Kekinash), with Thor's 3.7 Kernel. OC set to interactive 1504Max/608min. I didnt write the reply to prove OP issue wrong, just simply suggesting that there are answer to most of the problems just take time to find them, and the best part, you learn alot of new things as you try to find the solution of a particular problem.
That's one of the best part of Android you can make the OS work for you (some time and experience), compare to other Tablet OS that go out of there way to try to restrict you from manipulating OS to your advantage.

Not had any of these issues either with Stock 3.1, 3.2, Taboonay 2.2 or the latest Thor. Have had a little lag in the stock browser only in Facebook, but that's the page because it does it in every mobile browser except Opera.

sw6lee said:
Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
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Are you kidding me? You have looked at market, and Hive is the *ONLY* music player you can find? I reckon I could find dozens in a matter of minutes.. Personally, I'm using MixZing and it's working well for me.. I don't recall having any issues with the stock music app shutting off when the screen goes off either so I'm guessing that's a setting you've tinkered with somewhere (funny how when you change settings, the behaviour of things changes hey?)
Also, who cares if the stock app isn't exactly what you want? I'm pretty sure you select what programs suit *YOUR* needs to play music/movies/edit documents/browse the web/scratch yourself etc on your PC, and if you had an iPad I'm sure you would select the apps that suit *YOU* on there too - so what difference does it make? NO manufacturer is going to ship a device with exactly the applications you want, thats the whole reason that we are able to go out and buy/download those which suit our needs!
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
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What exactly isn't right about it? I have a Motorola Atrix, I love the android implementation (because let's remember, thats what each of these devices ships with - another company's implementation of the android OS, not the bog stock "android os" from google) on there - straight out of the box without any modification it worked perfectly well.. And then I started tinkering and WOW! I could change damned near anything I wanted! FANTASTIC! But if that didn't interest me? NO problem, it shipped with a perfectly acceptable functioning system which well exceeded the performance of my wife's iPhone 4...
Almost every "bug" i read about, is nothing to do with android - it's do with someone's rom, or an error within an application - Windows applications crash, iOS applications crash, hell - even my old linux box used to crash from time to time when I started messing with things or running other people's software..
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
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What is it that you and your friends ARE looking for in an OS? Because honestly, if what you want is something that *never* crashes, regardless of what you try to mess with, or that doesn't have *any* applications that are buggy or poorly implemented.. then I don't know, perhaps you'd best start looking for someone to port you a rom based on my old Nokia 5110?
/rant!

I found a solution to the OP's problems Here!
Guaranteed to fix his problems!

sw6lee said:
So you guys are saying that google will just keep the bugs as it is? I can't guarantee of course, but if google will do that, then I certainly have no faith in google anymore. Why would people buy an android device? What the hell. To root it and void warranty to use it properly or dig through the market to make the device finally usable where there are original apps wasted, or can't even get issues solved, like portrait lag, and just live with it?? Don't tell me to buy an ipad, because I already purchased this, and I don't want to sell it cheaper, and buy another device.
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An Android device is no different than any other electronic device or computer -- it's going to behave differently with different people. This is because of how each individual configures it, what apps they run, how they use it, even the environment (hot, cold, dusty, etc.) they use it in. No one here can say that you're not encountering the problems you say you are, but I can guarantee you that I won't be the last to tell you that I haven't encountered those problems.
I know you don't want to hear it, but if you want a turnkey system that minimizes the chance of encountering ANY problems, then you're going to have to go Apple. BUT keep in mind that you're going to have to accept some consolations with that decision, because Apple OS'es are very locked down so don't expect to be able to do much tweaking, personalizing, or customizing.
sw6lee said:
Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
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Again, I don't have extensive problems with the stock Music app, but I have had ZERO problems with Music Player for Pad -- whether I'm running things from the widget or the full app. It's been flawless. Not disputing that you're encountering problems -- just saying that I am not and looking at the market rating for that app it doesn't appear that a large percentage of the app's users are encountering problems.
sw6lee said:
And I dont have that many apps that may cause the system to make my tablet lag after going to home scren after running heavy task. And I know its not just my problem. I have seen other people talking about it too.
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I'm sure, but what percentage? You have to understand, people aren't going to come to technical forums like this and others and post,
"Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm having a perfect experience with my Android tablet and Android in general! LOVE IT! Thanks, Google!"
People come here to post about problems they're having. Even if 30 people post to a thread having the same problems you are, that doesn't address the millions of other users who are apparently not having this issue.
sw6lee said:
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
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Okay, first of all, the way to a better operating system is not through Apple and definitely not through Microsoft. Both of those companies have had their share of stinker OS'es in the past (and present). I know it's difficult to look beyond your own experiences and needs, but the reason why Android isn't going to "quit the business" is because they are extremely successful and they are extremely successful because the vast majority of their users are very happy with the OS. Android is currently the most popular phone OS -- why do you think that should translate to them that they should "quit the business"?
sw6lee said:
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
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Again, I know you said that you didn't want to hear it, but I think you've suggested your own best solution -- you need to go iOS. And if you're using a Windows based desktop or notebook PC, I would recommend getting rid of that and going with Apple, too. That's not meant to be an insult in any way -- you just don't seem happy using Android, and what most of us consider to be a huge benefit of the OS (open source, tweakable, customizable, etc.), you consider to be negative or undesirable. Why keep a device that makes you so unhappy? Take a loss, and buy a device you can be happy using. Life's too short.

shin lucifer said:
Cant say about others here. But personally i am very seldom in portrait mode. Reading manga probably the only time i am in that mode, feel pretty smooth on stock browser. The only time i see any lag, is when system is switching mode. But that is to be expected, given the processor/ram and the resolution; it will take time to adjust but its barely a second.
I have dual 24" IPS monitor form dell with very high resolution, on a system running at 4Ghz/12gig ram with high end dual GFX. When i switch those monitor in portrait, even they take few sec to adjust and populate the icon on screen.
Been a while i used stock keyboard. I am using Thumb Keyboard 4, it has a little lag, but only because its show possible suggestion of what you typing. And usually its just a few words behind my speed of typing. I use Dolphin browser, but i have had no problem. Also use Stock browser too. I leave link and multiple tab open on dolphin browser so i can get to them later when i have time, never had any issue so far.
Had the same problem. Got the Music Folder Player (free), problem solved. And since i use headphone to listen to music, i dont really care if i can see album art and stuff. Other wise i would use stock player since the screen be on because i wanted to see album art and stuff LOL. Also got the Donate version of Folder Player, since i wanted to support the DEV.
Not sure what kind of heavy task you referring to. But i can run CF-bench, then switch to home when its done and have no lag at all... Or you can give some example of Heavy task you running, so i can test it on my system too.
I am running Stock 3.2 just modified for Root (Kekinash), with Thor's 3.7 Kernel. OC set to interactive 1504Max/608min. I didnt write the reply to prove OP issue wrong, just simply suggesting that there are answer to most of the problems just take time to find them, and the best part, you learn alot of new things as you try to find the solution of a particular problem.
That's one of the best part of Android you can make the OS work for you (some time and experience), compare to other Tablet OS that go out of there way to try to restrict you from manipulating OS to your advantage.
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I meant heavy task, say web browsing for a few hours, and when I go to home screen, it reloads the widgets, icons and everything again for maybe 3 seconds, and when I try to do something then, like open app drawer or scroll desktop or open another app, it is insanely laggy. Of course, it's only for 3-4 seconds, but it happens often, and it's very annoying.

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Are you kidding me? You have looked at market, and Hive is the *ONLY* music player you can find? I reckon I could find dozens in a matter of minutes.. Personally, I'm using MixZing and it's working well for me.. I don't recall having any issues with the stock music app shutting off when the screen goes off either so I'm guessing that's a setting you've tinkered with somewhere (funny how when you change settings, the behaviour of things changes hey?)
Also, who cares if the stock app isn't exactly what you want? I'm pretty sure you select what programs suit *YOUR* needs to play music/movies/edit documents/browse the web/scratch yourself etc on your PC, and if you had an iPad I'm sure you would select the apps that suit *YOU* on there too - so what difference does it make? NO manufacturer is going to ship a device with exactly the applications you want, thats the whole reason that we are able to go out and buy/download those which suit our needs!
What exactly isn't right about it? I have a Motorola Atrix, I love the android implementation (because let's remember, thats what each of these devices ships with - another company's implementation of the android OS, not the bog stock "android os" from google) on there - straight out of the box without any modification it worked perfectly well.. And then I started tinkering and WOW! I could change damned near anything I wanted! FANTASTIC! But if that didn't interest me? NO problem, it shipped with a perfectly acceptable functioning system which well exceeded the performance of my wife's iPhone 4...
Almost every "bug" i read about, is nothing to do with android - it's do with someone's rom, or an error within an application - Windows applications crash, iOS applications crash, hell - even my old linux box used to crash from time to time when I started messing with things or running other people's software..
What is it that you and your friends ARE looking for in an OS? Because honestly, if what you want is something that *never* crashes, regardless of what you try to mess with, or that doesn't have *any* applications that are buggy or poorly implemented.. then I don't know, perhaps you'd best start looking for someone to port you a rom based on my old Nokia 5110?
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I meant music player for honeycomb. These have controls in the notification bar, but other phone optimized music players don't have that, and while in an app, and you want to turn music off, you need to GO to the music app and pause it, and go back to the previous app you were in. This is why I don't use phone optimized music app on my iconia.
And the bugs I listed in my first post is all over the internet, so don't deny it. Maybe some few people don't have problem with it because they are running a custom rom, or using alternative apps.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/t...ic-will-not-continuously-play-sleep-mode.html
-Also, read description of Music Player for Pad and Hive Player on Market. They mention that their music player don't stop playing even when screen is off. They say that they changed a code or something.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbm8QAS3DI
The bugs are all over the internet. You are saying that only very few people are having the problems I mentioned or any problems, and it's probably because of what they have done to the tablet. If you can't believe me, see the links I posted.

sw6lee said:
And the bugs I listed in my first post is all over the internet, so don't deny it. Maybe some few people don't have problem with it because they are running a custom rom, or using alternative apps.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/t...ic-will-not-continuously-play-sleep-mode.html
-Also, read description of Music Player for Pad and Hive Player on Market. They mention that their music player don't stop playing even when screen is off. They say that they changed a code or something.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbm8QAS3DI
The bugs are all over the internet. You are saying that only very few people are having the problems I mentioned or any problems, and it's probably because of what they have done to the tablet. If you can't believe me, see the links I posted.
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180 complaints across two threads = "all over the internet"?
Even if you count all 180 as being definite problems with Honeycomb, when you consider the number of Honeycombs devices out there and in use, 180 problems is statistically insignificant. As of October 19, a total of 3.8 million Honeycomb tablets have been sold. That's not even a percentage figure I can post here without using scientific notation. Statistically, it's WAY below 0.00%.
In skimming through the posts that you linked to, I did notice that most of the posts are about Honeycomb 3.0 and 3.1, with only a few posts at the bottom of each thread being recent and/or about 3.2. How many of the problems reported with 3.0 and 3.1 were fixed with the subsequent updates?
You also need to realize that Google is not responsible for the hardware -- it's the hardware manufacturer's job to make sure their hardware works with Honeycomb. It's like blaming Microsoft for your Dell PC running slow. That's not Microsoft's fault.
And you basically say that most people reporting no issues have likely solved the problems themselves by what they've done to the tablet? Well...do that as well and then you and the whopping 180 people won't have any problems, no?
I'm not saying that you're not encountering any problems with Honeycomb -- I'm sure you are. However, you're an insignificant statistic to Google, and there are soooooooo many people running the same hardware/OS who are not seeing any problems that it is highly likely that your problems are
1. A configuration issue.
2. Caused by a 3rd-party app.
3. Easily fixable by way of tweaking the configuration and/or using an alternate app.
Again, not saying that you're not encountering problems, but these problems are FAR from being as common as you claim. I would advise trying to figure out tweaks to solve your (apparently rare) problems, or you should resell the tablet and move on, and just consider Honeycomb to not be the OS for you.

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I meant heavy task, say web browsing for a few hours, and when I go to home screen, it reloads the widgets, icons and everything again for maybe 3 seconds, and when I try to do something then, like open app drawer or scroll desktop or open another app, it is insanely laggy. Of course, it's only for 3-4 seconds, but it happens often, and it's very annoying.
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I can completely understand few seconds here and there over time can lead to frustration, especially now that our tech are so fast and we not so use to waiting on every commands.
My only suggestion will be, and i dont know if you have already tried this. Try to get Rooted Stock 3.2 with diff Kernels. Personally i was surprise how much smoother thing ran compare to 3.1. I mean i didnt have any problems with 3.1, but after Rooted Stock 3.2 i started to see difference in response time on small thing and it was fast.

I am one of the silent millions, One hundred % happy with stock Three.two. No problems except sleep, but that will fixed. I just turn off. Hope you get working.

[Q] How to get the most performance?

I am eagerly awaiting my a500, which is being shipped right now.
In the mean time, I'd like to know what kind of optimizations you would suggest to get the best performance and utility from the tablet, so that when I do get it i'm all ready to go.
I have an android phone, and I know a big thing for it, was replacing the launcher with ADW, Launcher Pro, or Zeam. How is the default launcher on the a500? Is there a better alternative?
Secondly, do the available roms provide noticeably better performance? I'll probably be rooting for CIFS support if DLNA doesn't work out anyways, so it'd be nice to know if the roms are worth it.
Are there any settings I should change from default that would make the performance better? Or anything else you suggest?
Thanks for all your help

Some of the roms do offer performance improvements.. Thou usually break something.. unless they are the near stock rooted themed ones..
same with overclocking each kernel offers different features you will have to find what suits your needs..
the biggest issue with custom roms kernels is trade off there is always something you will be trading.. WITH Many of them its battery life and app compatibility.Th biggest two most important things for me . well 3 really.. all require you to root your tablet
1 ad-hoc network support (just a single file to replace to allow this)
2 GPS.. There is a gps fix that allows much better sat locks.
3 Backup... Titanium backup needs root not to mention full backup thru CWM RECOVERY.. aCER Recovery installer from market can do this for you .

So other than rooting the device, you don't do anything else for performance gains?

you can put a custom kernel, the one i use allows overclocking up to 1.64GHz
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170319

That looks pretty awesome to me, bwassef.
I'd definitely use it just for the CIFS support, but its good to know OC is supported if I feel the need.
Are there any other things I could do, or that are necessary besides kernels & roms?

mswirski said:
That looks pretty awesome to me, bwassef.
I'd definitely use it just for the CIFS support, but its good to know OC is supported if I feel the need.
Are there any other things I could do, or that are necessary besides kernels & roms?
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DON'T CHANGE A THING , not for several weeks. erica_renee gave that advice before and it's the best you can follow. You need to see how it's suppose to work and get a baseline so you know how it should work. Get all your applications running and working first then see what you'd like to change that it doesn't allow you to do. Then look at other ROM's.

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DON'T CHANGE A THING , not for several weeks. erica_renee gave that advice before and it's the best you can follow. You need to see how it's suppose to work and get a baseline so you know how it should work. Get all your applications running and working first then see what you'd like to change that it doesn't allow you to do. Then look at other ROM's.
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The not changing a thing of course goes without saying. even thou yes i guess it does need to be spoken always.. If its not broken dont fix . Root and modify your device only if it does not suit your needs stock..
im Blonde i cant remember to type everything.. Giggles.

Of course, if I can get along just fine on 100% stock, I'll do that. However chances are I will need to route for CIFS support if the DLNA app doesn't work well enough.
I was actually hoping for more suggestions that don't require rooting. Like alternative launchers, or settings on the device.

mswirski said:
Of course, if I can get along just fine on 100% stock, I'll do that. However chances are I will need to route for CIFS support if the DLNA app doesn't work well enough.
I was actually hoping for more suggestions that don't require rooting. Like alternative launchers, or settings on the device.
List of my favorite apps.
1 .Thumbs keyboard
2.Titanium backup. (Need root)
3.autodesk sketchpad.
4.co-pilot. GPS app that does not need data service area.
5.Paltalk video program..(social video chat)
6.office program. I have Polaris .quicknoffice and a couple otherness.
7.splashtop HD. (To acess my desktop from anywhere)
8.root explorer. (Does not have to have root but recommended)
Also astro. And file manager he. Es file manager are nice.
9.Yahoo messenger and the video plugin.
10. Google voice. Awesome so I dont have to give out my real phone number.
11.beautiful Widgets. I love there clock and weather add ons.
I could go on but will stop here
One more I use alot is andcad. Awesome cad drawings app.
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I can tell you that in regards to a home launcher, ADW Launcher is great, and has awesome honeycomb integration. some (including me) notice a lag in the stock launcher and ADW takes care of that

NonRoot Performace Tweaks / Apps:
- Disable animations. (Settings/Screen/Animation).
- Set wifi to turn off when screen is off. (Settings/Wireless & Networks/Wifi Settings/Advanced)
- Turn off all unnecessary radios. (Bluetooth, GPS, Wifi)
- Set screen brightness to as low as you can or use auto broghtness.
- Use Opera Mobile instead of the stock browser. You may find one you like better, but this is the fastest one that I've found. Also, make sure to turn off Opera Turbo.
- Use File Manager HD as you as your file manager.
- MX Video player for video playback.
- Thumb Keyboard to replace the stock one.
- Stock launcher isn't bad, but I like to customize everything so I use ADW EX.
If I think of anymore I'll post em .

Thanks guys, these were the kind of tips I was hoping for.
Especially that there is value using ADW as an alternative launcher, and that there may be slight lag in using the stock launcher.
Has anyone tried the tablet loaded with widgets versus bare? Is it possible to run it with a lot of widgets without it slowing down a lot? I was also thinking of using some more minimal looking text widgets to displayed weather etc. instead of the fancy graphical ones. I'm assuming these will be lighter on resources?

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Thanks guys, these were the kind of tips I was hoping for.
Especially that there is value using ADW as an alternative launcher, and that there may be slight lag in using the stock launcher.
Has anyone tried the tablet loaded with widgets versus bare? Is it possible to run it with a lot of widgets without it slowing down a lot? I was also thinking of using some more minimal looking text widgets to displayed weather etc. instead of the fancy graphical ones. I'm assuming these will be lighter on resources?
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I've got about 10 widgets plus a LWP and im still able to play games etc. with out any lag. But I'm also rooted with many different mods and tweaks I've done, so I'm not sure how it would be on a stock OS.